Curtis Samuel WR to Bills

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

3 years
30 M
15M Guaranteed

[Forward_Lateral]

Dammmmmnnnnnn

[Woodman]

Nice very nice!!!!

Too bad we don't have any ****ing cap space.

:monkeyp: The next guy that posts that bull****

[EDS]

First round WR off the table now? No doubt they needed a starter at WR, and Samuel could be the #2, but I was expecting them to draft someone who can grow into the #1 role.

[Mad Max]

Sit down as I have some shocking news to share on this one.





ANOTHER ex-Panther. It apparently will never end.

[Woodman]

First round WR off the table now? No doubt they needed a starter at WR, and Samuel could be the #2, but I was expecting them to draft someone who can grow into the #1 role.
Agreed .... we will still draft at least 1 .... only question is when now. :cheers:

[Forward_Lateral]

As my good friend c’Eh pointed out, Samuel is a slot guy not a #2 outside guy

[Woodman]

Sit down as I have some shocking news to share on this one.
ANOTHER ex-Panther. It apparently will never end.


Maybe we could travel back in time and get Christian McCaffrey!

[Woodman]

As my good friend c’Eh pointed out, Samuel is a slot guy not a #2 outside guy

:roflmao: Kincaid is our slot guy ...... :idunno:

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that they are signing (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1768394326722162944) Curtis Samuel to a three-year deal. The pact is worth $24 million with $15 million guaranteed and another $6 million available in incentives.Samuel spent the last three seasons in Washington, but he played for Bills offensive coordinator Joe Brady in 2020 when Brady had the same job with the Panthers. He set career highs with 77 catches and 851 receiving yards that season.

[Mad Max]

First round WR off the table now? No doubt they needed a starter at WR, and Samuel could be the #2, but I was expecting them to draft someone who can grow into the #1 role.

Maybe. This dude has speed and he hasn’t had anyone but bums throwing to him so he might do very well with us, but I still hope they draft a guy 1 or 2. Need to load the gun for Josh. Stop fhjhing around.

[Mad Max]

Maybe we could travel back in time and get Christian McCaffrey!
We’ll stop posting so much and get to work on the Time Machine.

[Woodman]

3 years
30 M
15M Guaranteed

24 million with an additional 6 million in incentives! :cheers:

[Woodman]

We’ll stop posting so much and get to work on the Time Machine.

20231

Already covered. :cheers:

[Mad Max]

20231

Already covered. :cheers:

Still posting huh slacker? Well I guess since it’s a Time Machine it doesn’t matter much.

[Woodman]

Still posting huh slacker? Well I guess since it’s a Time Machine it doesn’t matter much.

Out all day got back just minutes ago ...... 71F in Poughkeepsie.

[YardRat]

I would have rather had Floyd back for that kind of money. Or kept Morse.

[YardRat]

He also ran the ball 41 times for 200 yards his last season in Carolina.

https://www.nfl.com/players/curtis-samuel/stats/

[Woodman]

I would have rather had Floyd back for that kind of money. Or kept Morse.

good point with Floyd .... on Morse I hope he just doesn't get hurt.

[Woodman]

Ian Rapoport on Monday reported San Francisco is signing veteran defensive end Leonard Floyd to a two-year deal (https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1767295537756406166). Rapoport reported the contract is worth up to $24 million with $12 million guaranteed in 2024.

[notacon]

I would have rather had Floyd back for that kind of money. Or kept Morse.

Not me.

We already have suitable replacements for both of them (Epenesa and McGovern) with little drop off....both much younger.

The clear need is on offense and in particular at WR. Samuel is a substantial upgrade over Davis.

The Bills should still draft a WR in the first two rounds.

[Typ0]

They pretty much made it so they can get a guy other than receiver with this move probably too in my opinion. WR isn't a big impact player grab in the draft either we are going somewhere else and looking at guys who drop.

Defense needs a lot of help ...

[cookie G]

Samuel can definitely fly.. (4.31 at the Combine back in 2017).

But he's only broken 700 yards once in his career.

Seems like a great deal of money for waiting for someone to have their breakout year.

But then, look at what Gabe Davis got.

[justasportsfan]

I guess Beane wasnt kidding when he said he wanted players that are ready to play NOW. No only does Sammuel have experience, but he has experience and had his best year under Brady .

It's Bradys offense now and McDermott is letting him have the weapons he wants.

[Forward_Lateral]

Samuel can definitely fly.. (4.31 at the Combine back in 2017).

But he's only broken 700 yards once in his career.

Seems like a great deal of money for waiting for someone to have their breakout year.

But then, look at what Gabe Davis got.

Samuel career targets: 485
Samuel career catches: 317

Career catch % : 65.4

Gabe targets: 299
Gabe catches: 163

Career % : 54.5

Diggs career catch % for reference: 68.8

Take this for what it’s worth

[Mad Max]

Samuel can definitely fly.. (4.31 at the Combine back in 2017).

But he's only broken 700 yards once in his career.

Seems like a great deal of money for waiting for someone to have their breakout year.

But then, look at what Gabe Davis got.
They may be looking at potential with his speed in our offense with Josh throwing to him considering he had nothing but bums, backups and has beens as his QBs during his entire tenure in the league to date.

We still definitely need to draft a guy 1-2 but this guy could be a great fit.

[sukie]

Don’t like this signing. 5’ 11” . I know they need a slot guy but this guy isn’t known for separating so he will play slot but IMO. They need tall dudes that can get downfield and come down with it. This guy will be in Shakir’s lane.

draft a tall dude with wheels dammit. Little clown car guys don’t work well with Josh. I will say that his hands seem better than Hardy and McKenzie and Stevenson

lots of money for carbon copies of Crowder.

[acehole]

3 years
30 M
15M Guaranteed

Replacement for Diggs not Davis me thinks.

[sukie]

Replacement for Diggs not Davis me thinks.
The ceiling must be high with the QB talent this kid was playing with.

[notacon]

Samuel career targets: 485
Samuel career catches: 317

Career catch % : 65.4

Gabe targets: 299
Gabe catches: 163

Career % : 54.5

Diggs career catch % for reference: 68.8

Take this for what it’s worth


Great summary.

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[BuffaloBlitz83]

Curtis Samuel averaged 9.08 mph within the first second of his routes in 2023 (i.e., his "burst"), 3rd-quickest in the NFL (min. 300 routes).

Bills wide receivers averaged a 7.95 mph burst last season, 29th in the NFL (Gabe Davis: 8.25 mph; Stefon Diggs: 7.73 mph).

[sukie]

This could be Diggs replacement. NOW DRAFT THE NEXT MEGATRON

[Forward_Lateral]

Go look at Beasleys career before Buffalo.

Pretty similar to Samuel, if not less impressive

[Saratoga Slim]

This upgrades our WR options, but he’s not really a Gabe replacement. Is mostly a slot receiver and backfield weapon. To me WR is still very much a dire need for Round 1 or 2.

But if you add a top rookie option for Gabe’s role, the WR room suddenly looks pretty jacked compared to last couple years

[Canadian'eh!]

I’m surprised at the player and the money.

He’s definitely not a Diggs replacement. He’s 7 seasons in and is pretty well established as a slot guy who averages 10.5 ypc. He has not been able to use that 4.31 to take the top off with regularity.

He’s descent in the slot, but he’s not taking either of the X spots.

Meanwhile, Shakir took 69% of his snaps in the slot last year and I had assumed he won himself that job going into this year. I’m not sure why they made this signing to be honest as it had potential to stunt Shakir’s growth.

It definitely shouldn’t deter them from drafting an X reciever very early in the draft. Diggs clock is ticking and they need a guy who can be a WR1 in short order

[Novacane]

This only makes sense if they're going to try and use him outside. We have Shakir and Kincaid. Seems redundant.

[Oaf]

What does this mean for Shakir?

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

One less WR to draft means one more pick available for a trade up.

[Bill Cody]

Agree that an outside WR is still a 1st or 2nd round draft priority.
Also agree he’s a slot guy and I like Shakir
But he’s a good player and injuries happen in the NFL.
We’re building what Hank Stram used to call “deep depth” at WR.
The money part does not bother me. The cap can always be maneuvered

[Canadian'eh!]

What does this mean for Shakir?

I can only see 2 things that make sense:

1. they think Shakir can play outside

2. They paid a fair amount of money for a 4th WR.


If they believe Samuel can play outside as WR2 or plan to demote Shakir back to the bench, this is gonna be a long year.

[Mad Max]

I can only see 2 things that make sense:

1. they think Shakir can play outside

2. They paid a fair amount of money for a 4th WR.


If they believe Samuel can play outside as WR2 or plan to demote Shakir back to the bench, this is gonna be a long year.

They could be scheming up some four wide sets.

That could create some gnarly mismatches.

[sukie]

With this guys burst speed, if we don’t see any timing slant patterns… I’m gonna, I , I, I’m gonna hold my breath forever.

[Historian]

With this guys burst speed, if we don’t see any timing slant patterns… I’m gonna, I , I, I’m gonna hold my breath forever.
Think about what the Bills try to do on offense though. (What Gabe used to run, then usually drop)

A lot of the deep stuff is over the middle.

Quick hitters right up the seam.

If you can put a fast guy in that role who actually can catch the ball.....

I like the signing.

And it didn't really break the bank.

[YardRat]

We've been saying 'our receiver room is stacked' every season for a few now, and then as the games play out it isn't. It's a trend with this regime. The OC's have been the ones taking the hits, but the results don't really change or improve.

And I still see Shakir's role as replacing Diggs eventually.

[Canadian'eh!]

They could be scheming up some four wide sets.

That could create some gnarly mismatches.

Didn’t they just move to try to make the O more 2 TE sets last year?

[Canadian'eh!]

We've been saying 'our receiver room is stacked' every season for a few now, and then as the games play out it isn't. It's a trend with this regime. The OC's have been the ones taking the hits, but the results don't really change or improve.

And I still see Shakir's role as replacing Diggs eventually.

Their WR signings have been very Shaky. Every year there seems to be a Crowder, Harty, Emmanuel Sanders that doesn’t do much.

The drafting has only really hit on Shakir, so far.

[DraftBoy]

Brady likes to use a lot of WR’s and different packages from his time at LSU. I wouldn’t worry too much on slot v outside or hurting Shakir at this point.

I also expect them to use Samuel in similar roles to how they used McKenzie. Short routes with the ball on the run, hand offs and end around.

It’s a good chunk of change and has some risk, but he should be able to give a decent return.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Samuel is an upgrade over Harty and can be the primary slot. Shakir is penciled in at #2 and he's about to break out. He has that look WR's traditionally would get before they break out in their 3rd season.

[cas22]

I would have rather had Floyd back for that kind of money. Or kept Morse.

i think the bills are tired of the same , it hasn't worked so trying something different which isn't gonna work either

[cookie G]

Samuel career targets: 485
Samuel career catches: 317

Career catch % : 65.4

Gabe targets: 299
Gabe catches: 163

Career % : 54.5

Diggs career catch % for reference: 68.8

Take this for what it’s worth

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is, other than he probably has better hands than Gabe Davis.

The guy has been in the league 7 years.

Again, he had one year in which he had 850 yards, the rest.. never more than 650.
He's never been the number 1 WR on his team.
Even in his year in Carolina where he had over 800 yards, he was the 3rd leading WR on his team.

Im not expecting him, after 7 years in the league, to become this 1500 yard WR or even a 1000 yard WR.

I don't hate the signing, but my expectations are pretty tempered.

And I really don't like the thought of...we don't need to draft a wr, except in the late rounds...because we now have Curtis Samuel.

This a very good WR class, with a good chance to nab a big WR who is a bona fide deep threat.

Despite his speed, Samuel hasn't shown that ability in his NFL career.

[Forward_Lateral]

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is, other than he probably has better hands than Gabe Davis.

The guy has been in the league 7 years.

Again, he had one year in which he had 850 yards, the rest.. never more than 650.
He's never been the number 1 WR on his team.
Even in his year in Carolina where he had over 800 yards, he was the 3rd leading WR on his team.

Im not expecting him, after 7 years in the league, to become this 1500 yard WR or even a 1000 yard WR.

I don't hate the signing, but my expectations are pretty tempered.

And I really don't like the thought of...we don't need to draft a wr, except in the late rounds...because we now have Curtis Samuel.

This a very good WR class, with a good chance to nab a big WR who is a bona fide deep threat.

Despite his speed, Samuel hasn't shown that ability in his NFL career.
He's a slot WR.

Like I pointed out earlier in the thread, go look at Cole Beasley's career before signing with the Bills. Very Similar player, very similar career trajectories.

[notacon]

Yeah, I'm not sure what the point is, other than he probably has better hands than Gabe Davis.

The guy has been in the league 7 years.

Again, he had one year in which he had 850 yards, the rest.. never more than 650.
He's never been the number 1 WR on his team.
Even in his year in Carolina where he had over 800 yards, he was the 3rd leading WR on his team.

Im not expecting him, after 7 years in the league, to become this 1500 yard WR or even a 1000 yard WR.

I don't hate the signing, but my expectations are pretty tempered.

And I really don't like the thought of...we don't need to draft a wr, except in the late rounds...because we now have Curtis Samuel.

This a very good WR class, with a good chance to nab a big WR who is a bona fide deep threat.

Despite his speed, Samuel hasn't shown that ability in his NFL career.

With his first four years in Carolina, with the fading fast Newton as QB the first two years, Kyle Allen his third...a season so bad that the HC got fired during it, fourth year Terry Bridgewater....all of those seasons saw Carolina with a mostly dysfunctional team and a uninspiring offense.

Then in Washington (after missing most of his first year to injury) had Tylor Heinicke in 2022 and Sam Howell passing to him in 2023. Not even capable starting QB's.

This is a sign that Joe Brady is going to put his stamp on this offense, and with Josh Allen, Diggs, Cook and Kincaid, it is like him getting into a Ferrari instead of a Studebaker.

We never know what will happen but I have more encouraged expectations than discouraged.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Since this guy is relatively young, I think it is likely, following Josh Allen's pattern of receivers, that he will have his best pro year in terms of stats if he gets regular playing time. So far, his best year is 2020 when Brady was his coordinator in Carolina, 97 targets, 77 receptions for 851 yards. He also rushed 41 times for another 200 yards - going back to his Ohio State days where he's used in rushing. We should be very happy if we get that output in 2024.

Will he get the playing time in Buffalo? His contract says so. Yes he's viewed best as a slot guy but I feel like unpredictability will be the main theme under Brady where anyone (RB, WR, TE) who can do anything. Not necessarily playbook change drastically.

Is Shakir better than him? I don't think so. Can Shakir better than him down the road, maybe but on the outside playing X or Z, he should be better than Shakir with his speed. There is a reason the guy is drafted at 2nd round (I'm sure Beane scouted him then in Carolina).

I'm pretty sure we are still going to draft a Z or X WR that may develop into a WR 1 - let's be honest we have none right now. With the signing, I'm guessing we may not be forced to look for a ready-to-step-in WR in the draft. Beane should have learned his lesson (Elam???) when you had to chase, you are likely to lose. Last year was a success story with Kincaid. Again, where you are drafting in the late 20s, what is the likelihood to come away with an immediate starter at almost any position, let alone a receiver to grasp the complex system we have?

[ghz in pittsburgh]

By the way, one reason I know Buffalo hit on Allen as QB in 2019 is that both John Brown and Cole Beasley had career years playing with Allen. Beasley actually topped it 2020. Before coming into Buffalo, those guys had quality QBs like Carson Palmer, Tony Romo. And they immediately having career years with Allen says a lot of about the QB than themselves.

Same thing with Diggs - coming to Buffalo, right away, career year.

[Mad Max]

Didn’t they just move to try to make the O more 2 TE sets last year?

They can use more than one formation?

They can mix in 4 wides a few times a game along with the 12 personnel. Maybe Diggs and Samuel split wide with Shakir and Kincaid in the slots. Who you gonna cover?

[Typ0]

Didn’t they just move to try to make the O more 2 TE sets last year?

Yes, and along with your other post you make a lot of good points about things that indicate these guys are just taking stabs in the dark all the time.

OK in one breath "trust the process" ... and we have seen them take poorly formulated plans and drive them into the ground too...

but in the next breath they say they are going in a direction but don't fully develop it.

I mean, what impact does having a direction to build last season make such drastic shifts on the talent you need to be successful?

It is very unfocused.

And I would suggest if these guys would actually start valuing their **** being aligned on a regular basis they are going to see the success we want them to see.

Of course that would require them to be not so full of ****.

However, without that movement we are going to continually see the same success they are having.

Basically -- they are far too reactive and always controlled by the situation as opposed to taking control and commanding victory from the situation.

That is who Team McDermott is.

What I see with this move is maybe someone that adds something but also takes away someone else's ability to add whom you already planned in that role.

Our roster as a whole is not getting better like this. We see the holes every single season. As good as the roster has been they don't have room and/or the systemic ability to top it off and make a move upward.

This is a lot more than the culture being bogged down by some of the thinking problems they have too....this is a glaring place we end up underachieving.

[Typ0]

I see what people are saying about Samual and his QBs too ... but is the uptick guaranteed with him or just assumed because he's a Carolina Brady guy?

[tomz]

With Samuel and Hollis it seems like they are trying to emphasize a speedier corps.

[Typ0]

They are desperate to find the guys to garner the big plays the analytics are telling them they need.

This player is not just speed he's a lot of versatility and I bet we see him on the field on special teams.

There will at least be times in practice he's fielding some punts.

[sukie]

Cancelled my Isabella jersey order.

Ive seen this before

crowder. Great slot hands… (wet fart noise)
harty… crush the Dolphins souls so I’ll always remember that fondly. (the wet fart noise produced moisture)

[justasportsfan]

We've been saying 'our receiver room is stacked' every season for a few now, and then as the games play out it isn't. It's a trend with this regime. The OC's have been the ones taking the hits, but the results don't really change or improve.

And I still see Shakir's role as replacing Diggs eventually.

I wonder if it's because our O has been centered around one person, Diggs. When Brady took over, Josh started throwing to other receiver and Diggs pretty much disappeared. IMO , this signing means we're spreading the ball and Brady brought in someone he knows will thrive in his system.

I think this is Diggs' last year.

[Woodman]

With Samuel and Hollis it seems like they are trying to emphasize a speedier corps.

A breath of fresh AIR!

[Canadian'eh!]

They can use more than one formation?

They can mix in 4 wides a few times a game along with the 12 personnel. Maybe Diggs and Samuel split wide with Shakir and Kincaid in the slots. Who you gonna cover?

True… but the money they paid him makes me think he will be out There 75%+

[YardRat]

IIRC Mitch Morse had a $12mil cap hit for '24 and was a free agent in '25. Considering what he recently signed for I have a hard time believing the team couldn't have re-did his contract for similar terms...or less..than what they just ponied up for Samuel.

It took this regime seven long years to finally figure out the offensive line, and when they did they dork it up and cut their starting center/best offensive trench guy essentially trading out the roster spot and contract/cap numbers for yet another 'weapon' that nobody knows exactly what his role could or should be.

It's **** like this that just adds to my doubt that this crew really knows what it is doing or will ever win anything significant.

[Woodman]

True… but the money they paid him makes me think he will be out There 75%+

He'll see plenty of snaps no question about it.

[Woodman]

WR guru gushes over Buffalo Bills signing Curtis Samuel- ‘What an upgrade over Gabe Davis!’ - newyorkupstate.com (https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2024/03/wr-guru-gushes-over-buffalo-bills-signing-curtis-samuel-what-an-upgrade-over-gabe-davis.html)

‘When asked for his immediate reaction, Harmon gushed, “Oh my God. I mean, I’m alive. I’m alive, bro. I’m alive. This is awesome. I’m completely thrilled. Oh my God. LFG baby. This is awesome. What an upgrade over Gabe Davis! You get Curtis Samuel out there? That is really interesting to me.”’

[notacon]

IIRC Mitch Morse had a $12mil cap hit for '24 and was a free agent in '25. Considering what he recently signed for I have a hard time believing the team couldn't have re-did his contract for similar terms...or less..than what they just ponied up for Samuel.

It took this regime seven long years to finally figure out the offensive line, and when they did they dork it up and cut their starting center/best offensive trench guy essentially trading out the roster spot and contract/cap numbers for yet another 'weapon' that nobody knows exactly what his role could or should be.

It's **** like this that just adds to my doubt that this crew really knows what it is doing or will ever win anything significant.
The move with Morse was smart as can be. Taking a cue form the Pats method (when they were really good) of moving on from aging, expensive vets (I with repeated concussion issues) one year early rather than one year too late.

I'm of the opposite view.


This is NOT "**** like this that just adds to my doubt that this crew really knows what it is doing or will ever win anything significant."....this is smart forward thinking that has me CONFIDENT that this crew knows EXACTLY what they are doing as needs to be done one they have one of the handful of elite superstar QB's in the NFL and the realities of the cap system that makes roster management with that rare elite QB so difficult.

[justasportsfan]

He's like Mckenzie+Beasely on roids.

https://youtu.be/av8QA7Rp3bc?feature=shared

[Ingtar33]

well we needed size and speed and he brings speed. I like him but it doesn't take 1st round WR off the table. IT DOES make it less mandatory. If there is a run on WRs and we don't like the value on the board when our pick comes up they can confidently take BPA, then try again in round 2 for WR.

[Woodman]

The move with Morse was smart as can be. Taking a cue form the Pats method (when they were really good) of moving on from aging, expensive vets (I with repeated concussion issues) one year early rather than one year too late.

I'm of the opposite view.


This is NOT "**** like this that just adds to my doubt that this crew really knows what it is doing or will ever win anything significant."....this is smart forward thinking that has me CONFIDENT that this crew knows EXACTLY what they are doing as needs to be done one they have one of the handful of elite superstar QB's in the NFL and the realities of the cap system that makes roster management with that rare elite QB so difficult.

It was time for Morse to make a decision on his career apart from the Bills.

We took the correct direction imo.

[Woodman]

He's like Mckenzie+Beasely on roids.

https://youtu.be/av8QA7Rp3bc?feature=shared

I'm looking forward to this guy playing his style ball for us.

Surprised to see the backfield play ..... he reads blocks extremely well.

:gobills:

[Woodman]

well we needed size and speed and he brings speed. I like him but it doesn't take 1st round WR off the table. IT DOES make it less mandatory. If there is a run on WRs and we don't like the value on the board when our pick comes up they can confidently take BPA, then try again in round 2 for WR.
We will take a WR when it makes the most sense on our board ..... do we move up .... it's possible depending on the falling or not falling of players we covet.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

I think he's Deebo Samuel light, and has not been used in Deebo Samuel's way. I don't watch college football that much but even I remembered him on that championship Ohio State team where he was a hybrid between running back and WR. Looking back in the draft, he followed the same path as Deebo people deciding what position he should be. They both fell into the 2nd round. And look their careers, when they both being used as WR AND RB, they produced better numbers. Of course Deebo is 20lb bigger and more dynamic but Curtis runs in 4.3s instead 4.4s.

This looked to be a guy Brady pounded the table for, not someone Beane would be looking for in their prototype receiver exercise. So seems like McDermott is letting Brady run the offense. The good thing is that there is an example in how 49ers using Deebo, and Brady himself got out of Curtis in Carolina (though I don't know if it was by design though because McCaffrey was hurt that year). If Brady is able to figure out to maximize Curtis' capability, getting output somewhere close to Deebo's, it'll be a big hit --- more likely than the output of any WR(s) we draft in April. It is also something that can propel Brady to be on the short list of HC candidates next year.

[Woodman]

This looked to be a guy Brady pounded the table for, not someone Beane would be looking for in their prototype receiver exercise. So seems like McDermott is letting Brady run the offense. The good thing is that there is an example in how 49ers using Deebo, and Brady himself got out of Curtis in Carolina (though I don't know if it was by design though because McCaffrey was hurt that year). If Brady is able to figure out to maximize Curtis' capability, getting output somewhere close to Deebo's, it'll be a big hit --- more likely than the output of any WR(s) we draft in April. It is also something that can propel Brady to be on the short list of HC candidates next year.

100%

Hopefully Brady has this one right!!

[Forward_Lateral]

Here's Samuel's contract breakdown:

2024: 3.98 cap hit

2025: 9.7 cap hit

2026: 10.3 cap hit---they can cut him after 2025 and save about 8 million

[Woodman]

Curtis Samuel contract details- Buffalo Bills retain year-to-year flexibility in WR’s deal - Buffalo Rumblings (https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2024/3/20/24106800/curtis-samuel-contract-details-buffalo-bills-retain-year-to-year-flexibility-in-wr-free-agent-deal)

Samuel received $6.9 million in a signing bonus as part of $15 million fully guaranteed in the deal. His 2024 compensation and $5 million of his 2025 salary is fully guaranteed.

The rest of the 2025 salary guarantees on February 10, 2025, so right after the Super Bowl (https://www.sbnation.com/super-bowl) on February 9.

His base salary in 2024 is the league minimum because of the signing bonus, and it moves up to $6.9 million in 2025 and $6.51 million in 2026 with a $1 million roster bonus, so the cash is very evenly split.

With only $5 million of his 2025 salary guaranteed, the Bills can get out of the contract next February if they want. They release him and they would still owe him the $5 million but it would be offset by whoever signed him in free agency.

So let’s call it what it is; A one-year deal worth about $12.6 million or a two-year deal worth $16 million. The third year doesn’t get any guaranteed cash until the start of the 2026 league year and it’s a one-year team option for $8 million.

[Goobylal]

I really like this signing. I believe he's the fastest WR the Bills have ever had (4.31) and provides the much-needed speed they've lacked since John Brown (who Samuel is a shade taller and faster than, and 17# heavier). Josh will be the best QB he's played with by far.

[Woodman]

They could be scheming up some four wide sets.

That could create some gnarly mismatches.

That's where my money is.

[Goobylal]

Under Brady he played almost as much in the slot as outside. He'll be moved around for sure. Now they need to get a stud across from Diggs. Hopefully Hollins isn't it.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

For the crowd on getting a stud X receiver in the draft, easier said than done. Whaley swung big on Sammy Watkins in a receiver rich draft. We know what happened, and don't blame on QBs who threw to him. After Buffalo, Watkins had several quality QBs throwing balls to him, including Mahomes, and never mounted to anywhere close to a stud.

People are talking Marvin Harrison Jr. like a surefire HoF before he catches a single pass in NFL. You just don't know. Out of the potential 7 WRs we expect to go in the 1st round, I can bet we are not getting 7 HoFers.

So instead of relying on finding a Randy Moss guy who can beat you every time if you single (sometimes double) cover him, offensive genius like Shanahan is making things un-predictable, tricky as you might say, to achieve the same result. You need a QB though and we have one. I see that the Bills are moving in that direction. Yes you should try to get a Randy Moss, but I'm not counting on it, even we spend a first round pick or even trade up.

[Goobylal]

For the crowd on getting a stud X receiver in the draft, easier said than done. Whaley swung big on Sammy Watkins in a receiver rich draft. We know what happened, and don't blame on QBs who threw to him. After Buffalo, Watkins had several quality QBs throwing balls to him, including Mahomes, and never mounted to anywhere close to a stud.

People are talking Marvin Harrison Jr. like a surefire HoF before he catches a single pass in NFL. You just don't know. Out of the potential 7 WRs we expect to go in the 1st round, I can bet we are not getting 7 HoFers.

So instead of relying on finding a Randy Moss guy who can beat you every time if you single (sometimes double) cover him, offensive genius like Shanahan is making things un-predictable, tricky as you might say, to achieve the same result. You need a QB though and we have one. I see that the Bills are moving in that direction. Yes you should try to get a Randy Moss, but I'm not counting on it, even we spend a first round pick or even trade up.

True a stud X receiver isn't guaranteed, but they still need to try. And Davis and Shakir have been decent, while Shorter is a wait-and-see.

[Mad Max]

For the crowd on getting a stud X receiver in the draft, easier said than done. Whaley swung big on Sammy Watkins in a receiver rich draft. We know what happened, and don't blame on QBs who threw to him. After Buffalo, Watkins had several quality QBs throwing balls to him, including Mahomes, and never mounted to anywhere close to a stud.

People are talking Marvin Harrison Jr. like a surefire HoF before he catches a single pass in NFL. You just don't know. Out of the potential 7 WRs we expect to go in the 1st round, I can bet we are not getting 7 HoFers.

So instead of relying on finding a Randy Moss guy who can beat you every time if you single (sometimes double) cover him, offensive genius like Shanahan is making things un-predictable, tricky as you might say, to achieve the same result. You need a QB though and we have one. I see that the Bills are moving in that direction. Yes you should try to get a Randy Moss, but I'm not counting on it, even we spend a first round pick or even trade up.

“You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take”.
-Michael Jordan

Could we end up with a bust? Yep. We could also end up with an AJ Brown or DK Metcalf (both second rounders and borderline future HOFers).

[Goobylal]

“You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take”.
-Michael Jordan

Could we end up with a bust? Yep. We could also end up with an AJ Brown or DK Metcalf (both second rounders and borderline future HOFers).

Gretzky actually said that.

[Mad Max]

Gretzky actually said that.

Mike, Wayne or Walter (apparently there’s also a debate as to Wayne getting it from his dad…haha)…whomever actually said it is 100% right!

[Goobylal]

Mike, Wayne or Walter (apparently there’s also a debate as to Wayne getting it from his dad…haha)…whomever actually said it is 100% right!

I agree. I use that phrase all the time.