Josh may be part of the cause that Diggs is off the Bills roster - Cover 1

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Long video but around 1:10:00 mark when Erik got into some insight of the Bengals playoff game with the particular play in video.

In summary, during the week, they practiced against a certain look and Josh was not hitting it. When Diggs confronted Josh, Josh simply said "just get open." --- Erik didn't like the attitude (Josh), like you need to work on every single detail. Then in the game, they got that same look - on 4th down, but a little twist where the DB took outside leverage so Diggs had to take a different release. The play went to Davis and didn't work. Diggs was heard saying to Josh afterward like "What's the execuse now?"

They also mentioned in 2023 offseason, Josh didn't throw to his receivers like prior years - he may still throw with Palmer, but guys like Mahomes throw to his receivers in the offseason.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lK64gxxwMU

[gr8slayer]

You can tell that they weren't on the same page last year... Saw it in Dallas with Dak and Cooper at the end.

Diggs is: Aging, needs a new contract, has (perceived) attitude issues at times, was clearly not on the same page with Josh.

The team is undergoing a soft rebuild right now... This is a win for the Bills.

[Novacane]

Cowherd said Josh signed off on it. Said he was tiring of Diggs' constant drama.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Cowherd said Josh signed off on it. Said he was tiring of Diggs' constant drama.
That is a given. Don't believe they would do that without Josh's approval. I think that Chiefs' game where Diggs didn't come down with Josh's bomb is something a big alert to the caoches, Josh and many players.

What I feel interesting here is that does Josh need to be pushed more, especially behind the scenes. We now know Tom Brady, in public, was not that active as a leader. But behind the scenes, he's an*l in demanding perfection from his fellow offensive players. Do we have that in Josh or is it just call of duties play or come to my house any time type of deal.

[sahlensguy]

Probably why Josh went to Shakir after the 2:00 warning against the Chiefs instead of a wide open Diggs.

Beasley said Davis was one of the few dogs on the team - gone

Diggs - gone

No one left to challenge Allen's lack of commitment to the game now. All is good.

[Woodman]

Cowherd said Josh signed off on it. Said he was tiring of Diggs' constant drama.

We chose the correct path.

[gr8slayer]

Probably why Josh went to Shakir after the 2:00 warning against the Chiefs instead of a wide open Diggs.

Beasley said Davis was one of the few dogs on the team - gone

Diggs - gone

No one left to challenge Allen's lack of commitment to the game now. All is good.

Are you insinuating that Allen is an issue? That last sentence is throwing me off.

[sahlensguy]

Are you insinuating that Allen is an issue? That last sentence is throwing me off.

Josh Allen is part of the problem, yes.

There are deficiencies in his leadership ability and it manifested itself in part to Diggs' demise and departure. There's a good chance prime Diggs will be the best receiver he'll ever throw to. Not throwing to Diggs at the end of the KC game may have cost us the win, And there's a good chance the wrong pass to Shakir was because of a beef between the two.

They'll probably find an easier to control and less demanding stud going forward. If they're lucky.

[YardRat]

Josh is part of the problem.

I'll say it again, I don't think I've ever seen an enigma like this in 50+ of watching any sport, let alone football. Josh is definitely the best player on the team, arguably in the entire league, and the Bills would not be where they are without him, but at the same time his deficiencies in the mental game, commitment and focus are holding the team back.

If his ass isn't in the building throwing to these possible draft picks when they come for a visit somebody needs to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with him.

[sahlensguy]

Josh is part of the problem.

I'll say it again, I don't think I've ever seen an enigma like this in 50+ of watching any sport, let alone football. Josh is definitely the best player on the team, arguably in the entire league, and the Bills would not be where they are without him, but at the same time his deficiencies in the mental game, commitment and focus are holding the team back.

If his ass isn't in the building throwing to these possible draft picks when they come for a visit somebody needs to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with him.

Honest take, Yardie.

And it just sucks that the only one in the organization willing to get in Allen's grill has just been traded.

Josh has always been on an island here and his life boat is now gone. No one is going to challenge him anymore to fix the mental part of his game anymore but himself. I'm not optimistic.

[Thurmal]

Josh is part of the problem.

I'll say it again, I don't think I've ever seen an enigma like this in 50+ of watching any sport, let alone football. Josh is definitely the best player on the team, arguably in the entire league, and the Bills would not be where they are without him, but at the same time his deficiencies in the mental game, commitment and focus are holding the team back.

If his ass isn't in the building throwing to these possible draft picks when they come for a visit somebody needs to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with him.

LMAO, any issue he had on the gridiron was due to the fact that he was divorced to feed a petulant diva the ball constantly to avoid drama. Watch his turnover numbers plummet now that he isn't worried about forcing a dozen targets to Diggs every week to keep him from going into full cancer mode.

[Novacane]

Josh is part of the problem.

I'll say it again, I don't think I've ever seen an enigma like this in 50+ of watching any sport, let alone football. Josh is definitely the best player on the team, arguably in the entire league, and the Bills would not be where they are without him, but at the same time his deficiencies in the mental game, commitment and focus are holding the team back.

If his ass isn't in the building throwing to these possible draft picks when they come for a visit somebody needs to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with him.


Is this part even allowed under the cba? I'd like to hear someone other than a 2 time malcontent saying JA isn't committed before I take it as gospel.

[Woodman]

LMAO, any issue he had on the gridiron was due to the fact that he was divorced to feed a petulant diva the ball constantly to avoid drama. Watch his turnover numbers plummet now that he isn't worried about forcing a dozen targets to Diggs every week to keep him from going into full cancer mode.
:10: Bingo!!!

[Goobylal]

I've said that when Diggs finally moved on, it would truly be Josh's team. It happened sooner than I thought but that time is now.

[sahlensguy]

LMAO, any issue he had on the gridiron was due to the fact that he was divorced to feed a petulant diva the ball constantly to avoid drama. Watch his turnover numbers plummet now that he isn't worried about forcing a dozen targets to Diggs every week to keep him from going into full cancer mode.

I think you're missing a dynamic that says Diggs wasn't happy with the commitment Josh had for the game. If that commitment would have met or surpassed Diggs' commitment I don't think that diva behavior would have been a problem.
Stefon wanted more, that's all.

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I've said that when Diggs finally moved on, it would truly be Josh's team. It happened sooner than I thought but that time is now.

A bunch of yes men now.

[Goobylal]

I think you're missing a dynamic that says Diggs wasn't happy with the commitment Josh had for the game. If that commitment would have met or surpassed Diggs' commitment I don't think that diva behavior would have been a problem.
Stefon wanted more, that's all.

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A bunch of yes men now.

I won't trash Diggs. He was a big part of the Bills' success. Sometimes it's best to part ways before the end comes crashing down.

[Thurmal]

I think you're missing a dynamic that says Diggs wasn't happy with the commitment Josh had for the game. If that commitment would have met or surpassed Diggs' commitment I don't think that diva behavior would have been a problem.
Stefon wanted more, that's all.

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A bunch of yes men now.

Allen is a better QB than Diggs is a WR. The latter was in no place to levy any criticism.

[kgun12]

[QUOTE=sahlensguy;5096562]I think you're missing a dynamic that says Diggs wasn't happy with the commitment Josh had for the game. If that commitment would have met or surpassed Diggs' commitment I don't think that diva behavior would have been a problem.
Stefon wanted more, that's all.

I'm I missing something? How do we know what Josh does or doesn't do as far as film study or commitment to football other than the opinion of a few on here? Has anything been documented or reported by real sourses. I'm not arguing or trying to call anyone out but I just haven't seen or read any evidence to any of these claims by anyone in the know. I haven't even heard any quotes from Diggs about Josh's commitment. Yes he complanined about not getting the ball and yes his interception are maddening but I can remember reading anything from Diggs or anyone else about his commitment., again except from some poster insinuations.

[cas22]

Josh is part of the problem.

I'll say it again, I don't think I've ever seen an enigma like this in 50+ of watching any sport, let alone football. Josh is definitely the best player on the team, arguably in the entire league, and the Bills would not be where they are without him, but at the same time his deficiencies in the mental game, commitment and focus are holding the team back.

If his ass isn't in the building throwing to these possible draft picks when they come for a visit somebody needs to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with him.

Diggs was the problem hands down. he did the same in Minny.. here is a small sample..

Diggs in the last 12 game was targeted 71 times for 42 catch's 388 yards with a drop rate of 12.5 %'''

Shakir last 12 games targeted 33 times for 28 catch's 482 yards with a drop rate of 3.4 %

Kincaid last 12 games was targeted 56 times for 44 catchs with 406 yards with a 6.4 % drop rate

Davis last 12 targeted 33 times for 17 catch's 248 yards and a 10.5 % drop rate...

clearly Diggs was and will be the issue in houston also...

[cas22]

Bottom line is buffalo can win without diggs thats already been proven,, they cannot win without Allen..

[Skooby]

Josh needs WR who can produce more than 3 catches for 21 yards on 8 targets in clutch games.

[cas22]

The Athletic


The Buffalo Bills’ patience wore thin with Stefon Diggs. Now he’s gone

By Tim Graham
Apr 3, 2024



Stefon Diggs wore out the Buffalo Bills.


For a long time, they put up with the passive-aggressive comments, with the All-Pro little brother insulting them and Josh Allen, with other NFL friends proclaiming he deserved better than Buffalo. They endured Diggs’ refusal to ever push back on the chirping. When I asked him about Trevon Diggs shoveling shade last season, Stefon took offense that anybody would dare question his family and altogether ignored the concept of defending the Bills. They hadn’t said anything when Stefon Diggs dragged a team employee whom a hot mic had caught chiding him for being difficult to work with.

As recently as Tuesday night, Diggs seemed to take another shot at Allen’s wherewithal. Replying on social media to someone who opined a “top-tier receiver” is not “essential” to the franchise quarterback’s success, Diggs said: “You sure?”

Folks at One Bills Drive once again saw a player who’s as likely to jab co-workers in public as defend them.

Teams tolerate micro-aggressions from a superstar talent who makes opponents quake — not for a player you can trade, along with a 2024 sixth-round draft choice and 2025 fifth-rounder, for a second-round pick that’s 13 months away, which is precisely what the Bills did in a deal with the Houston Texans on Wednesday. They aren’t tolerating someone they’d rather shoo from the locker room for the joy of absorbing a massive dead-cap hit, either.


Stefon Diggs stopped being “HIM” halfway through 2023, right about the time Trevon Diggs, a Dallas Cowboys cornerback, once again took to social media to declare, “Man 14 (his big brother’s jersey number) gotta get up outta there,” followed by the exhausted and crying emojis.


Also around that time, Buffalo’s offense started to operate like it didn’t care whether No. 14 got up outta there or not.


Many pundits and Bills fans believed Diggs’ place on the roster was pinned by a mammoth contract that, given the salary-cap implications, made it counterproductive for the team to trade or release him. The decision by owner Terry Pegula, general manager Brandon Beane and coach Sean McDermott to make the move illustrates how motivated the club was to part with Diggs, a pivotal character in transforming NFL chumps into perennial Super Bowl contenders.


For the past couple seasons, there was turbulence. After the Cincinnati Bengals bounced the Bills from the 2022-23 playoffs, an emotional game in which a gesticulating Diggs seemed to wear out Allen and then-quarterbacks coach Joe Brady on the bench, Diggs infamously stormed out of the locker room so fast the pressbox assistant coaches hadn’t gotten inside for McDermott to deliver his postgame speech. Practice squad running back Duke Johnson tracked down Diggs in the Highmark Stadium tunnel and begged him not to leave.


All was rationalized — same as two months earlier, when Diggs screamed at McDermott on the sideline — as Diggs being the ultimate competitor for the most part, although Hall of Fame targets Michael Irvin and Shannon Sharpe, with three Super Bowl rings apiece, found Diggs’ act to be contemptuous to the team ideal.


Competitiveness, however, morphed into a lengthy rift last offseason. When the Bills convened for mandatory minicamp, Diggs wasn’t on the practice field. McDermott said he was “very concerned” about the absence, but he and Diggs have refused to divulge what the problem was.



Grading the Stefon Diggs trade: Texans vault into Super Bowl mix; Bills shed salary, drama


We still don’t know the reason, and that’s the Diggs dichotomy. He presents himself in news conferences as a transparent yet misunderstood figure. He’ll answer any question — just ask — until the information is nobody’s business, like why McDermott was “very concerned” last June or what all those cryptic tweets mean or why he defends his brother’s right to mock Buffalo.


Trevon Diggs did his town crier impersonation after the Bills’ 24-22 home loss to the Denver Broncos on “Monday Night Football.” The Bills’ fourth defeat in six games floored them to 5-5, three spots out of the playoff picture.


Then, over the remaining seven regular-season games, Stefon Diggs caught only 34 passes for 315 yards and one touchdown, while Allen accounted for 1,896 yards of total offense, ran for 10 touchdowns and threw for eight more. Two sophomores, tailback James Cook and receiver Khalil Shakir, and rookie tight end Dalton Kincaid emerged as trustworthy weapons.


The Bills went 6-1, their lone loss at the Philadelphia Eagles in overtime.


Nobody at One Bills Drive could – or simply felt compelled to – elucidate Diggs’ unmistakable evaporation.


The Bills insisted Diggs was not hurt, and he never appeared on the injury report. Diggs bemoaned being double-teamed, but Kansas City Chiefs safety Justin Reid tweeted, “Crazy part is … we didn’t double him” after Diggs played 37 percent of the snaps in a crucial Week 14 victory at Arrowhead Stadium. McDermott and Brady noted how packages dictated Diggs’ usage, but they declined to explain why Shakir and deep reserve Trent Sherfield saw more snaps than a four-time Pro Bowler some games. Bills cornerback Josh Norman told the Associated Press that Diggs had been taking himself off the field.


“It’s rough, man,” Diggs told reporters before catching four passes for 48 yards in the Week 15 victory over Dallas. “Even earlier in the year, I saw a lot of the doubles, but they’ve been doing a great job, especially when you put those first seven to eight games on tape of what you like to do. They’ve been doing a good job.


“For me, personally, I’ve been trying, bro. I promise you I’ve been trying. It’s not because of me.”


Drops aren’t an official NFL stat, so there can be discrepancies. Pro Football Reference charted Diggs for eight drops in the regular season, tied for sixth-worst in the league. His 5 percent drop percentage ranked 14th among NFL wideouts with at least 80 targets.


Diggs’ fade from Buffalo’s offense was so stark that three-time Lombardi Trophy safety and “Football Night In America” studio analyst Devin McCourty told me before the regular-season finale against the Miami Dolphins: “I think there’s bigger issues going on there. I think their offense is trying to prove to Diggs that they don’t need him.”


Either way, to answer Diggs’ social media question from Tuesday night, Buffalo’s offense already did prove he’s unessential to Allen’s success down the homestretch.


Further, Diggs’ miscues when called upon in January hurt their chances to win when it mattered most.


In two playoff games, Diggs added 10 catches for 73 yards and no TDs. In the three-point elimination loss to Kansas City, he fumbled on the first play and dropped a pass on the second play. Buffalo’s final drive began with a pinpoint Allen bomb that should’ve gone for at least a 55-yard gain if not the go-ahead touchdown. The ball went through Diggs’ arms.


Diggs trotted back toward the huddle and made a gesture with his thumb and forefinger to let Allen and the millions watching on TV know the desperately needed play was “this close” to happening.


Or, as another campaign was about to conclude in heartbreak, maybe that’s how much patience enough important people in Highmark Stadium had left for Diggs.

[Skooby]

Thank you !!
The Athletic


The Buffalo Bills’ patience wore thin with Stefon Diggs. Now he’s gone

By Tim Graham
Apr 3, 2024



Stefon Diggs wore out the Buffalo Bills.


For a long time, they put up with the passive-aggressive comments, with the All-Pro little brother insulting them and Josh Allen, with other NFL friends proclaiming he deserved better than Buffalo. They endured Diggs’ refusal to ever push back on the chirping. When I asked him about Trevon Diggs shoveling shade last season, Stefon took offense that anybody would dare question his family and altogether ignored the concept of defending the Bills. They hadn’t said anything when Stefon Diggs dragged a team employee whom a hot mic had caught chiding him for being difficult to work with.

As recently as Tuesday night, Diggs seemed to take another shot at Allen’s wherewithal. Replying on social media to someone who opined a “top-tier receiver” is not “essential” to the franchise quarterback’s success, Diggs said: “You sure?”

Folks at One Bills Drive once again saw a player who’s as likely to jab co-workers in public as defend them.

Teams tolerate micro-aggressions from a superstar talent who makes opponents quake — not for a player you can trade, along with a 2024 sixth-round draft choice and 2025 fifth-rounder, for a second-round pick that’s 13 months away, which is precisely what the Bills did in a deal with the Houston Texans on Wednesday. They aren’t tolerating someone they’d rather shoo from the locker room for the joy of absorbing a massive dead-cap hit, either.


Stefon Diggs stopped being “HIM” halfway through 2023, right about the time Trevon Diggs, a Dallas Cowboys cornerback, once again took to social media to declare, “Man 14 (his big brother’s jersey number) gotta get up outta there,” followed by the exhausted and crying emojis.


Also around that time, Buffalo’s offense started to operate like it didn’t care whether No. 14 got up outta there or not.


Many pundits and Bills fans believed Diggs’ place on the roster was pinned by a mammoth contract that, given the salary-cap implications, made it counterproductive for the team to trade or release him. The decision by owner Terry Pegula, general manager Brandon Beane and coach Sean McDermott to make the move illustrates how motivated the club was to part with Diggs, a pivotal character in transforming NFL chumps into perennial Super Bowl contenders.


For the past couple seasons, there was turbulence. After the Cincinnati Bengals bounced the Bills from the 2022-23 playoffs, an emotional game in which a gesticulating Diggs seemed to wear out Allen and then-quarterbacks coach Joe Brady on the bench, Diggs infamously stormed out of the locker room so fast the pressbox assistant coaches hadn’t gotten inside for McDermott to deliver his postgame speech. Practice squad running back Duke Johnson tracked down Diggs in the Highmark Stadium tunnel and begged him not to leave.


All was rationalized — same as two months earlier, when Diggs screamed at McDermott on the sideline — as Diggs being the ultimate competitor for the most part, although Hall of Fame targets Michael Irvin and Shannon Sharpe, with three Super Bowl rings apiece, found Diggs’ act to be contemptuous to the team ideal.


Competitiveness, however, morphed into a lengthy rift last offseason. When the Bills convened for mandatory minicamp, Diggs wasn’t on the practice field. McDermott said he was “very concerned” about the absence, but he and Diggs have refused to divulge what the problem was.



Grading the Stefon Diggs trade: Texans vault into Super Bowl mix; Bills shed salary, drama


We still don’t know the reason, and that’s the Diggs dichotomy. He presents himself in news conferences as a transparent yet misunderstood figure. He’ll answer any question — just ask — until the information is nobody’s business, like why McDermott was “very concerned” last June or what all those cryptic tweets mean or why he defends his brother’s right to mock Buffalo.


Trevon Diggs did his town crier impersonation after the Bills’ 24-22 home loss to the Denver Broncos on “Monday Night Football.” The Bills’ fourth defeat in six games floored them to 5-5, three spots out of the playoff picture.


Then, over the remaining seven regular-season games, Stefon Diggs caught only 34 passes for 315 yards and one touchdown, while Allen accounted for 1,896 yards of total offense, ran for 10 touchdowns and threw for eight more. Two sophomores, tailback James Cook and receiver Khalil Shakir, and rookie tight end Dalton Kincaid emerged as trustworthy weapons.


The Bills went 6-1, their lone loss at the Philadelphia Eagles in overtime.


Nobody at One Bills Drive could – or simply felt compelled to – elucidate Diggs’ unmistakable evaporation.


The Bills insisted Diggs was not hurt, and he never appeared on the injury report. Diggs bemoaned being double-teamed, but Kansas City Chiefs safety Justin Reid tweeted, “Crazy part is … we didn’t double him” after Diggs played 37 percent of the snaps in a crucial Week 14 victory at Arrowhead Stadium. McDermott and Brady noted how packages dictated Diggs’ usage, but they declined to explain why Shakir and deep reserve Trent Sherfield saw more snaps than a four-time Pro Bowler some games. Bills cornerback Josh Norman told the Associated Press that Diggs had been taking himself off the field.


“It’s rough, man,” Diggs told reporters before catching four passes for 48 yards in the Week 15 victory over Dallas. “Even earlier in the year, I saw a lot of the doubles, but they’ve been doing a great job, especially when you put those first seven to eight games on tape of what you like to do. They’ve been doing a good job.


“For me, personally, I’ve been trying, bro. I promise you I’ve been trying. It’s not because of me.”


Drops aren’t an official NFL stat, so there can be discrepancies. Pro Football Reference charted Diggs for eight drops in the regular season, tied for sixth-worst in the league. His 5 percent drop percentage ranked 14th among NFL wideouts with at least 80 targets.


Diggs’ fade from Buffalo’s offense was so stark that three-time Lombardi Trophy safety and “Football Night In America” studio analyst Devin McCourty told me before the regular-season finale against the Miami Dolphins: “I think there’s bigger issues going on there. I think their offense is trying to prove to Diggs that they don’t need him.”


Either way, to answer Diggs’ social media question from Tuesday night, Buffalo’s offense already did prove he’s unessential to Allen’s success down the homestretch.


Further, Diggs’ miscues when called upon in January hurt their chances to win when it mattered most.


In two playoff games, Diggs added 10 catches for 73 yards and no TDs. In the three-point elimination loss to Kansas City, he fumbled on the first play and dropped a pass on the second play. Buffalo’s final drive began with a pinpoint Allen bomb that should’ve gone for at least a 55-yard gain if not the go-ahead touchdown. The ball went through Diggs’ arms.


Diggs trotted back toward the huddle and made a gesture with his thumb and forefinger to let Allen and the millions watching on TV know the desperately needed play was “this close” to happening.


Or, as another campaign was about to conclude in heartbreak, maybe that’s how much patience enough important people in Highmark Stadium had left for Diggs.

[kgun12]

The Athletic


The Buffalo Bills’ patience wore thin with Stefon Diggs. Now he’s gone

By Tim Graham
Apr 3, 2024



Stefon Diggs wore out the Buffalo Bills.


For a long time, they put up with the passive-aggressive comments, with the All-Pro little brother insulting them and Josh Allen, with other NFL friends proclaiming he deserved better than Buffalo. They endured Diggs’ refusal to ever push back on the chirping. When I asked him about Trevon Diggs shoveling shade last season, Stefon took offense that anybody would dare question his family and altogether ignored the concept of defending the Bills. They hadn’t said anything when Stefon Diggs dragged a team employee whom a hot mic had caught chiding him for being difficult to work with.

As recently as Tuesday night, Diggs seemed to take another shot at Allen’s wherewithal. Replying on social media to someone who opined a “top-tier receiver” is not “essential” to the franchise quarterback’s success, Diggs said: “You sure?”

Folks at One Bills Drive once again saw a player who’s as likely to jab co-workers in public as defend them.

Teams tolerate micro-aggressions from a superstar talent who makes opponents quake — not for a player you can trade, along with a 2024 sixth-round draft choice and 2025 fifth-rounder, for a second-round pick that’s 13 months away, which is precisely what the Bills did in a deal with the Houston Texans on Wednesday. They aren’t tolerating someone they’d rather shoo from the locker room for the joy of absorbing a massive dead-cap hit, either.


Stefon Diggs stopped being “HIM” halfway through 2023, right about the time Trevon Diggs, a Dallas Cowboys cornerback, once again took to social media to declare, “Man 14 (his big brother’s jersey number) gotta get up outta there,” followed by the exhausted and crying emojis.


Also around that time, Buffalo’s offense started to operate like it didn’t care whether No. 14 got up outta there or not.


Many pundits and Bills fans believed Diggs’ place on the roster was pinned by a mammoth contract that, given the salary-cap implications, made it counterproductive for the team to trade or release him. The decision by owner Terry Pegula, general manager Brandon Beane and coach Sean McDermott to make the move illustrates how motivated the club was to part with Diggs, a pivotal character in transforming NFL chumps into perennial Super Bowl contenders.


For the past couple seasons, there was turbulence. After the Cincinnati Bengals bounced the Bills from the 2022-23 playoffs, an emotional game in which a gesticulating Diggs seemed to wear out Allen and then-quarterbacks coach Joe Brady on the bench, Diggs infamously stormed out of the locker room so fast the pressbox assistant coaches hadn’t gotten inside for McDermott to deliver his postgame speech. Practice squad running back Duke Johnson tracked down Diggs in the Highmark Stadium tunnel and begged him not to leave.


All was rationalized — same as two months earlier, when Diggs screamed at McDermott on the sideline — as Diggs being the ultimate competitor for the most part, although Hall of Fame targets Michael Irvin and Shannon Sharpe, with three Super Bowl rings apiece, found Diggs’ act to be contemptuous to the team ideal.


Competitiveness, however, morphed into a lengthy rift last offseason. When the Bills convened for mandatory minicamp, Diggs wasn’t on the practice field. McDermott said he was “very concerned” about the absence, but he and Diggs have refused to divulge what the problem was.



Grading the Stefon Diggs trade: Texans vault into Super Bowl mix; Bills shed salary, drama


We still don’t know the reason, and that’s the Diggs dichotomy. He presents himself in news conferences as a transparent yet misunderstood figure. He’ll answer any question — just ask — until the information is nobody’s business, like why McDermott was “very concerned” last June or what all those cryptic tweets mean or why he defends his brother’s right to mock Buffalo.


Trevon Diggs did his town crier impersonation after the Bills’ 24-22 home loss to the Denver Broncos on “Monday Night Football.” The Bills’ fourth defeat in six games floored them to 5-5, three spots out of the playoff picture.


Then, over the remaining seven regular-season games, Stefon Diggs caught only 34 passes for 315 yards and one touchdown, while Allen accounted for 1,896 yards of total offense, ran for 10 touchdowns and threw for eight more. Two sophomores, tailback James Cook and receiver Khalil Shakir, and rookie tight end Dalton Kincaid emerged as trustworthy weapons.


The Bills went 6-1, their lone loss at the Philadelphia Eagles in overtime.


Nobody at One Bills Drive could – or simply felt compelled to – elucidate Diggs’ unmistakable evaporation.


The Bills insisted Diggs was not hurt, and he never appeared on the injury report. Diggs bemoaned being double-teamed, but Kansas City Chiefs safety Justin Reid tweeted, “Crazy part is … we didn’t double him” after Diggs played 37 percent of the snaps in a crucial Week 14 victory at Arrowhead Stadium. McDermott and Brady noted how packages dictated Diggs’ usage, but they declined to explain why Shakir and deep reserve Trent Sherfield saw more snaps than a four-time Pro Bowler some games. Bills cornerback Josh Norman told the Associated Press that Diggs had been taking himself off the field.


“It’s rough, man,” Diggs told reporters before catching four passes for 48 yards in the Week 15 victory over Dallas. “Even earlier in the year, I saw a lot of the doubles, but they’ve been doing a great job, especially when you put those first seven to eight games on tape of what you like to do. They’ve been doing a good job.


“For me, personally, I’ve been trying, bro. I promise you I’ve been trying. It’s not because of me.”


Drops aren’t an official NFL stat, so there can be discrepancies. Pro Football Reference charted Diggs for eight drops in the regular season, tied for sixth-worst in the league. His 5 percent drop percentage ranked 14th among NFL wideouts with at least 80 targets.


Diggs’ fade from Buffalo’s offense was so stark that three-time Lombardi Trophy safety and “Football Night In America” studio analyst Devin McCourty told me before the regular-season finale against the Miami Dolphins: “I think there’s bigger issues going on there. I think their offense is trying to prove to Diggs that they don’t need him.”


Either way, to answer Diggs’ social media question from Tuesday night, Buffalo’s offense already did prove he’s unessential to Allen’s success down the homestretch.


Further, Diggs’ miscues when called upon in January hurt their chances to win when it mattered most.


In two playoff games, Diggs added 10 catches for 73 yards and no TDs. In the three-point elimination loss to Kansas City, he fumbled on the first play and dropped a pass on the second play. Buffalo’s final drive began with a pinpoint Allen bomb that should’ve gone for at least a 55-yard gain if not the go-ahead touchdown. The ball went through Diggs’ arms.


Diggs trotted back toward the huddle and made a gesture with his thumb and forefinger to let Allen and the millions watching on TV know the desperately needed play was “this close” to happening.


Or, as another campaign was about to conclude in heartbreak, maybe that’s how much patience enough important people in Highmark Stadium had left for Diggs.

Good read, like I said in the other thread, nationally people in the know are killing Diggs.

BTW, this talked about the incident after the Bengals playoff game, I said then that McBean needed to take him to the woodshed or it would become a huge issue. Well it sure did. So long, can't wait to start seeing his crap in Houston.

His best game will be when they come to Buffalo this year.

[Skooby]

Good read, like I said in the other thread, nationally people in the know are killing Diggs.

BTW, this talked about the incident after the Bengals playoff game, I said then that McBean needed to take him to the woodshed or it would become a huge issue. Well it sure did. So long, can't wait to start seeing his crap in Houston.

His best game will be when they come to Buffalo this year.
Hit him & he will fold like a cheap shirt, he pulls himself out of games.

[Forward_Lateral]

Diggs quit. Plain and simple. If he wasn't hurt, which clearly he wasn't, or he wouldn't have gone to the probowl, then he simply quit.

There's no way a WR puts up 100 yards in 5 of the first 6 games, then goes invisible without injury or malcontent.

If you paid attention to the season, and watched Diggs closely, you'd have noticed some things.

1.) He half assed a lot of routes where he wasn't the intended target.

2.) He dropped a lot of balls that he usually doesn't drop, especially in critical situations

3.) He turtled when making a catch over the middle. Instead of fighting for extra yards, a lot of times he would just go to the ground. Not all the time, but it happened quite a bit for a franchise WR who "wants to win at all costs".

4.) He pulled himself out of many games in the 4th quarter, on 3rd downs, especially late in the season.

Now ask yourself, did Jerry Rice pull himself out of games? Moss? TO? Anyone? TO played on a broken leg because he wanted to win so bad.

Diggs is a crybaby and a quitter. Plain and simple.

Good riddance. Get someone in here that actually wants to win, not someone who only wants to win if they are the center of attention.

Anyone who can prove me wrong on any of the points I just made, go right ahead and try.

[sukie]

#3. Diggs , when he arrived , went down slot avoiding the big hit. That is his game. Dorsey did have him drawn up more in traffic so he went away from the so called turtling. The majority of his catches were outside after Daboll left. Diggs became a possession guy. That guy is now Kincaid IMO

[Jeff1220]

Where do people come up with this narrative that Josh Allen doesn't work hard or isn't focused? Because he likes to play golf and enjoys some time with his girlfriend? Smh.

[Novacane]

Where do people come up with this narrative that Josh Allen doesn't work hard or isn't focused? Because he likes to play golf and enjoys some time with his girlfriend? Smh.

Stephen Smith claims he heard it from Diggs. That is IT! That people keep repeating what a whiner says as fact is we Todd ed

[Forward_Lateral]

Where do people come up with this narrative that Josh Allen doesn't work hard or isn't focused? Because he likes to play golf and enjoys some time with his girlfriend? Smh.
Because there's a sanction of Bills fans that have the combined IQ of a folding table.

[Novacane]

Josh Allen cheated on his gf =. He's not focused on football.



Josh has a hot new gf and travels with her. = He doesn't work hard.


We have a couple posters here who must be major gossips. Believe and repeat anything negative.

[Bill Cody]

Because there's a sanction of Bills fans that have the combined IQ of a folding table.

folding table as in will break when leaped on?

[Bill Cody]

Wouldn't you all like to douse a couple with Josh Allen and get his full unvarnished opinion on this whole Diggs saga? Hard to trust a lot of these articles because the sources all have agendas.

[Typ0]

Josh Allen cheated on his gf =. He's not focused on football.



I'll bite on that one if he's gaslighting a woman and chasing skirts he's not focused on football. Duh. He's not focused on anything. He's just not focused.

[notacon]

Probably why Josh went to Shakir after the 2:00 warning against the Chiefs instead of a wide open Diggs.

Beasley said Davis was one of the few dogs on the team - gone

Diggs - gone

No one left to challenge Allen's lack of commitment to the game now. All is good.

Spot on!!!!

I've been thinking exactly the same thing since the Diggs trade.

I have been steadfast in criticism of Josh Allen for forgoing the easy (and MUCH smarter) WIDE open Diggs instead of the a pass into the end zone, which, even if he makes it, leaves KC and Mahomes in a PRIME position of close to 2 minutes to play, two time outs and an opportunity to score a go ahead TD, and leave the Bills with zero time on the clock. No one in their right mind would think that is exactly what probably would have happened.

Classic Mahomes.

After Diggs inexplicably dropping a HUGE (and PERFECT DIME) pass at the start of that drive, and Diggs dismally bad performance dropping several passes, (8 targets, only 3 catches (37.5%) for 21 yards) in hindsight it's getting more and more obvious that Josh lost all faith in Diggs....and probably had enough of his diva bull****. (and his brother)

The first two+ years of their partnership was fantastic. They needed each other and complimented each other and made each other better players. 2022 started out well too with Diggs catching the most TD's with the Bills with 11.

UNTIL the loss vs Cincy.

Diggs' stat line for that game was atrocious....10 targets, 4 catches (40%) 35 yards.

Their relationship started to sour at THIS moment...

https://d15k2d11r6t6rl.cloudfront.net/public/users/Integrators/669d5713-9b6a-46bb-bd7e-c542cff6dd6a/1d75fd3a730a463c8648bd84293b832a/ssstwitter.com_1712177977619-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

Diggs has been terrible vs the Chiefs in the playoffs. He disappears in the most critical games and the games that the Bills must win to gert over the hump.

His stats for all three KC playoff loses...

25 targets, 12 catches (48%), 105 yards, 35 YRD/G, ZERO TD's.

It's obvious that Allen most absolutely "signed off" on trading Diggs. It's difficult to avoid the impression that Diggs and McD were at each other's throats.

Ownership and GM did what they had to do...choose Allen and McD over a diva WR who played like **** in the most critical games of his four years in Buffalo. His stats for all four playoff loses....

35 targets, 16 catches (45.7%) 149 yards, 35 YRD/G, ZERO TD's.

[notacon]

Good read, like I said in the other thread, nationally people in the know are killing Diggs.

BTW, this talked about the incident after the Bengals playoff game, I said then that McBean needed to take him to the woodshed or it would become a huge issue. Well it sure did. So long, can't wait to start seeing his crap in Houston.

His best game will be when they come to Buffalo this year.
I was going to post excerpts from this story....thanks for doing so.

The part that was so devastating (to Diggs) was this...




Trevon Diggs did his town crier impersonation after the Bills’ 24-22 home loss to the Denver Broncos on “Monday Night Football.” The Bills’ fourth defeat in six games floored them to 5-5, three spots out of the playoff picture.

Then, over the remaining seven regular-season games, Stefon Diggs caught only 34 passes for 315 yards and one touchdown, while Allen accounted for 1,896 yards of total offense, ran for 10 touchdowns and threw for eight more. Two sophomores, tailback James Cook and receiver Khalil Shakir, and rookie tight end Dalton Kincaid emerged as trustworthy weapons.

The Bills went 6-1, their lone loss at the Philadelphia Eagles in overtime.

Ouch!!!


The Bills and Josh Allen proved that they do not need cry baby Diggs to excel.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

I actually enjoyed Florio's story of Warren Moon/Chris Carter confrontation (around 15 min mark). "I feel ... Some times he (Josh Allen) goes thru life as an overgrown boy". Does that strike a cord with your perception of Josh?

We criticized Mahomes when he went to yell at his O-Line last year in plain view for millions watching TV. I know Josh never embarrassed his teammates like that. But maybe this is the kind of swagger Josh needs (even though not as accomplished as Mahomes): demand others to be accountable! And when you have that mindset, you know the first thing to do is to make yourself accountable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSxRGPYusBw

[ghz in pittsburgh]

I'll add, though, that I watched Roethlisberger entire career in Pittsburgh. In his first half the career, Roethlisberger was like an overgrown boy. He got a super bowl early because the Steelers had a whole bunch of HoF leaders that kept him inline. But he definitely grew to the leadership role and helped Tomlin keeping some talented knuckle heads (far worse than Diggs) inline for sometime.

[Saratoga Slim]

Is this part even allowed under the cba? I'd like to hear someone other than a 2 time malcontent saying JA isn't committed before I take it as gospel.

It’s not.

Now we’re making stuff up to be mad about.

[Forward_Lateral]

What is Allen supposed to do? Like Simms said, if he gets up and gets in Diggs' face right back at him, Diggs blows up even worse and the situation escalates and everyone blames Josh for not handling Diggs better.

It's ridiculous. The amount of crap Diggs pulled and got away with is disgusting. Do you think Andre Reed ever talked like that to Jim Kelly? Do you think Eric Moulds ever talked that to Bledsoe?

No, they were professionals. I'm sure they had arguments and disagreements, but I can't remember a time where any of them had a temper tantrum during a playoff game on the sidelines because they didn't get the ball.

[sahlensguy]

Spot on!!!!

I've been thinking exactly the same thing since the Diggs trade.

I have been steadfast in criticism of Josh Allen for forgoing the easy (and MUCH smarter) WIDE open Diggs instead of the a pass into the end zone, which, even if he makes it, leaves KC and Mahomes in a PRIME position of close to 2 minutes to play, two time outs and an opportunity to score a go ahead TD, and leave the Bills with zero time on the clock. No one in their right mind would think that is exactly what probably would have happened.

Classic Mahomes.

After Diggs inexplicably dropping a HUGE (and PERFECT DIME) pass at the start of that drive, and Diggs dismally bad performance dropping several passes, (8 targets, only 3 catches (37.5%) for 21 yards) in hindsight it's getting more and more obvious that Josh lost all faith in Diggs....and probably had enough of his diva bull****. (and his brother)

The first two+ years of their partnership was fantastic. They needed each other and complimented each other and made each other better players. 2022 started out well too with Diggs catching the most TD's with the Bills with 11.

UNTIL the loss vs Cincy.

Diggs' stat line for that game was atrocious....10 targets, 4 catches (40%) 35 yards.

Their relationship started to sour at THIS moment...

https://d15k2d11r6t6rl.cloudfront.net/public/users/Integrators/669d5713-9b6a-46bb-bd7e-c542cff6dd6a/1d75fd3a730a463c8648bd84293b832a/ssstwitter.com_1712177977619-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

Diggs has been terrible vs the Chiefs in the playoffs. He disappears in the most critical games and the games that the Bills must win to gert over the hump.

His stats for all three KC playoff loses...

25 targets, 12 catches (48%), 105 yards, 35 YRD/G, ZERO TD's.

It's obvious that Allen most absolutely "signed off" on trading Diggs. It's difficult to avoid the impression that Diggs and McD were at each other's throats.

Ownership and GM did what they had to do...choose Allen and McD over a diva WR who played like **** in the most critical games of his four years in Buffalo. His stats for all four playoff loses....

35 targets, 16 catches (45.7%) 149 yards, 35 YRD/G, ZERO TD's.

Even though I think it's not a good look on Allen that the best bud/star receiver's attitude got out of control, I'm looking forward to the team being all Allen's now. No dissenters. It shouldn't have ever come to this but trading Diggs now is the right move.

One thing I don't see brought up (maybe I missed it) was Diggs' sideline reaction after the Hamlin injury. I don't understand why he was so animated, attemoting to fire up the team to play, when everyone was focused on Demar (except Diggs?). Have you read anything about that?

[Woodman]

Stefon Diggs will wear No. 1 for the Texans (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/stefon-diggs-will-wear-no-1-for-the-texans)

Stefon Diggs has chosen a jersey number.
He will wear No. 1 for the Texans, the team announced Thursday night.
The receiver has worn No. 14 for his entire nine-year career during stints with the Vikings and the Bills. He presumably could have gotten No. 14 with the Texans since receiver Alex Bachman has it now.
But putting Diggs in No. 1 creates symmetry for Houston, which has a 713 area code. Quarterback C.J. Stroud is No. 7, Diggs No. 1 and receiver Tank Dell No. 3.

[DetoxTent]

You can tell that they weren't on the same page last year... Saw it in Dallas with Dak and Cooper at the end.
Diggs is: Aging, needs a new contract, has (perceived) attitude issues at times, was clearly not on the same page with Josh.The team is undergoing a soft rebuild right now... This is a win for the Bills.

Gotta love the self-proclaimed experts that keep throwing around the term "soft rebuild." Pat yourself on the back. But you sound stupid to people that can see what's going on. They had a salary purge because they were $47 million over the cap. They got rid of some oft-injured, over-paid vets that didn't get them to the big dance due to their contracts. Every other veteran not named Diggs adjusted their contract for the Bills. Then they dumped one player. Diggs, who is an overpaid, underachieving malcontent. THAT is not a rebuild Einstein. But keep telling yourself you're as smart as you think you are because you read the term "soft rebuild" while scrolling through X.

:assclown:

[Typ0]

Dude you go about overhauling your OLine, Dline, Dbackfield and Receiver Room that is some form of rebuilding bantering about nomenclature is kinda silly.

[Woodman]

Why did Texans reduce Stefon Diggs's contract from four years to one? - NBC Sports (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/why-did-texans-reduce-stefon-diggss-contract-from-four-years-to-one)

[justasportsfan]

https://d15k2d11r6t6rl.cloudfront.net/public/users/Integrators/669d5713-9b6a-46bb-bd7e-c542cff6dd6a/1d75fd3a730a463c8648bd84293b832a/ssstwitter.com_1712177977619-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif




I sometimes wonder if Josh forced things to Diggs to makes Diggs happy . Oh well, Josh can now spread the ball and create better chemistry with the rest of his weapons.

[Forward_Lateral]

Gotta love the self-proclaimed experts that keep throwing around the term "soft rebuild." Pat yourself on the back. But you sound stupid to people that can see what's going on. They had a salary purge because they were $47 million over the cap. They got rid of some oft-injured, over-paid vets that didn't get them to the big dance due to their contracts. Every other veteran not named Diggs adjusted their contract for the Bills. Then they dumped one player. Diggs, who is an overpaid, underachieving malcontent. THAT is not a rebuild Einstein. But keep telling yourself you're as smart as you think you are because you read the term "soft rebuild" while scrolling through X.

:assclown:

the fact that you are saying a poster "sounds stupid" is hilarious

[Mad Max]

I sometimes wonder if Josh forced things to Diggs to makes Diggs happy . Oh well, Josh can now spread the ball and create better chemistry with the rest of his weapons.

I think that’s a near certainty, and it was to the detriment of the offense. Had to get his “brother” his touches or the little fella would whine incessantly and start posting ominous cryptics online.

This is a complete reset that will make the offense much more egalitarian with the ball mostly going to the open guy.

Both Shakir and Kincaid can and will step up bigly. Each can easily be targeted 20 more times, now add in significant contributions from Samuel and Knox and our draftee, get some value from Hamler (this guy if given a chance I believe can be good) and Hollins. Sprinkle in Shorter and Isabella.

High level success does hinge on the success of the draftee but this group can definitely find success.

[imbondz]

Diggs quit. Plain and simple. If he wasn't hurt, which clearly he wasn't, or he wouldn't have gone to the probowl, then he simply quit.

There's no way a WR puts up 100 yards in 5 of the first 6 games, then goes invisible without injury or malcontent.

If you paid attention to the season, and watched Diggs closely, you'd have noticed some things.

1.) He half assed a lot of routes where he wasn't the intended target.

2.) He dropped a lot of balls that he usually doesn't drop, especially in critical situations

3.) He turtled when making a catch over the middle. Instead of fighting for extra yards, a lot of times he would just go to the ground. Not all the time, but it happened quite a bit for a franchise WR who "wants to win at all costs".

4.) He pulled himself out of many games in the 4th quarter, on 3rd downs, especially late in the season.

Now ask yourself, did Jerry Rice pull himself out of games? Moss? TO? Anyone? TO played on a broken leg because he wanted to win so bad.

Diggs is a crybaby and a quitter. Plain and simple.

Good riddance. Get someone in here that actually wants to win, not someone who only wants to win if they are the center of attention.

Anyone who can prove me wrong on any of the points I just made, go right ahead and try.

agree with most of what you said but Diggs always tried to get extra yards. I rarely saw him stop and drop to the ground without trying to fight for extra.

[cas22]

where the Bills messed up was giving Diggs a new contract after we traded for him, he will play his ass off the 1st year, in year 2 he still will give it 100 % but starts his crap, at the end of year 2 in Minny and Buffalo Diggs becomes a problem..

Houston did the right thing by wiping out the last years of his contract making him a free agent after this year, Diggs will now play for a new deal without issue, if there is any sign of bull Houston lets him walk and will get compensation via a draft pick or could franchise him.

this right there tell all Bills fans that most already new that Diggs indeed was a problem.

[cas22]

I sometimes wonder if Josh forced things to Diggs to makes Diggs happy . Oh well, Josh can now spread the ball and create better chemistry with the rest of his weapons.

you hit the nail on the head, at 1st Allen probably put up with his crap, in year 3 Allen realized that it was a problem, the last 12 games last year they showed Diggs that they didn't need his production vs. the crap he dealt..

I hope Buffalo kicks Houstons Ars s this year.

[cas22]

Gotta love the self-proclaimed experts that keep throwing around the term "soft rebuild." Pat yourself on the back. But you sound stupid to people that can see what's going on. They had a salary purge because they were $47 million over the cap. They got rid of some oft-injured, over-paid vets that didn't get them to the big dance due to their contracts. Every other veteran not named Diggs adjusted their contract for the Bills. Then they dumped one player. Diggs, who is an overpaid, underachieving malcontent. THAT is not a rebuild Einstein. But keep telling yourself you're as smart as you think you are because you read the term "soft rebuild" while scrolling through X.

:assclown:


you gotta add White and Poyer,,, both were cut..

[Typ0]

I think that’s a near certainty, and it was to the detriment of the offense. Had to get his “brother” his touches or the little fella would whine incessantly and start posting ominous cryptics online.

This is a complete reset that will make the offense much more egalitarian with the ball mostly going to the open guy.

Both Shakir and Kincaid can and will step up bigly. Each can easily be targeted 20 more times, now add in significant contributions from Samuel and Knox and our draftee, get some value from Hamler (this guy if given a chance I believe can be good) and Hollins. Sprinkle in Shorter and Isabella.

High level success does hinge on the success of the draftee but this group can definitely find success.

The premise of your grand reset theory is Allen was being forced to throw the ball to Diggs.

I saw Allen forcing balls all over the field. He was coached to force those balls last year. They told him to go out there and be Josh Allen and chuck the rock downfield.

I'm just saying if you want the level of change you are looking for the nature of the change is going to be in Allen and have very little to do with Diggs.

[kgun12]

I sometimes wonder if Josh forced things to Diggs to makes Diggs happy . Oh well, Josh can now spread the ball and create better chemistry with the rest of his weapons.

I believe you are correct. Everyone has had that coworker that's was always b******g,moaning and complaining about everything right, wrong or indifferent. It seems to me that that's what Diggs was in Minnesota and became in Buffalo. The Bills will miss what Diggs production was of the first couple of years, but won't miss what his production became at the end.

[kgun12]

The premise of your grand reset theory is Allen was being forced to throw the ball to Diggs.

I saw Allen forcing balls all over the field. He was coached to force those balls last year. They told him to go out there and be Josh Allen and chuck the rock downfield.

I'm just saying if you want the level of change you are looking for the nature of the change is going to be in Allen and have very little to do with Diggs.

So what changed in the last half of the season and playoffs in Josh's play? His production was top rated and Diggs production was...well there wasn't any production!

[Typ0]

So what changed in the last half of the season and playoffs in Josh's play? His production was top rated and Diggs production was...well there wasn't any production!

Can't say ... but the idea that it was because Allen was forcing balls to Diggs and stopped is false. Allen was pretty consistent slinging that ball last season and it wasn't just to Diggs.

[cas22]

Can't say ... but the idea that it was because Allen was forcing balls to Diggs and stopped is false. Allen was pretty consistent slinging that ball last season and it wasn't just to Diggs.

I don't think when saying forcing the ball is what your thinking, my thinking is because Diggs was pressuring him so much that Allen threw the ball his way at times when others were wide open, of coarse with a arm like Allen you can force a pass into a gap that most can't but these are 2 different meanings..

the last 12 games Allen spread the ball around more evenly thus the production and lack of Diggs production.

[Typ0]

I don't think when saying forcing the ball is what your thinking, my thinking is because Diggs was pressuring him so much that Allen threw the ball his way at times when others were wide open, of coarse with a arm like Allen you can force a pass into a gap that most can't but these are 2 different meanings..

the last 12 games Allen spread the ball around more evenly thus the production and lack of Diggs production.

I would agree pressure is not something that is going to help Allen think clearly. So bogging down his brain yes I can see that happening...but not the actual forced throws being a symptom because he was forcing them to everyone is where I am at. It's pretty across the board Allen will try to make a low percentage big ass play in favor of a first down at times. So are you saying that is Diggs fault? Because I think that is poor coaching putting Josh Allen in a better position to succumb to himself as opposed to teaching him to rely on the team and take smaller steps. You can have Josh Allen and still know how to take baby steps towards your goals. We don't. It hurts.

You think that is gone now because Diggs is gone?

[TacklingDummy]

I knew there was something off about Diggs when he complained about his lack of production was because he was double covered. When Justin Reid said the crazy part was they didn't double cover him.

Facts are he's not a #1 WR the Bills need.

Gabe Davis was more of a #1 receiver because he made big plays. Just not as many as we would like. That could have also been because of the pressure Josh had to get Diggs the ball. Gabe had 79 less targets and only 1 less TD and 440ish less yards. Thats counting 4 games he didn't even have a catch in and 1 game he didn't even play.

[Bill Cody]

you gotta add White and Poyer,,, both were cut..

and Morse, Harty, Neal and Hines. But Detox thinks it's only about Diggs when the Diggs move actually added 4m more to our cap. Moving Diggs was about Diggs wanting out/us wanting him out not a cap dump.

[Bill Cody]

I would agree pressure is not something that is going to help Allen think clearly. So bogging down his brain yes I can see that happening...but not the actual forced throws being a symptom because he was forcing them to everyone is where I am at. It's pretty across the board Allen will try to make a low percentage big ass play in favor of a first down at times. So are you saying that is Diggs fault? Because I think that is poor coaching putting Josh Allen in a better position to succumb to himself as opposed to teaching him to rely on the team and take smaller steps. You can have Josh Allen and still know how to take baby steps towards your goals. We don't. It hurts.

You think that is gone now because Diggs is gone?

I think he was doing that much better later in the season which is why we won 6 of the last 7

[kgun12]

I think he was doing that much better later in the season which is why we won 6 of the last 7

Agreed, but people don’t understand that Josh cleaned that up and that was the catalyst for the playoff run. I’m not sure if it was Allen’s or Brady’s coaching to decision to intentionally not throw to Diggs, or Diggs lack of play or maybe just maybe Diggs hit the proverbial wall mid-season.

He wasn’t hurt and wasn’t double teamed and he took himself out every other play. Did he give up or did his body give up? I kinda believe it was the wall because he wanted to win so badly, but who knows?

I’ll miss his talent but I’m glad he’s gone, the entire situation was too much of a distraction!

[sukie]

Agreed, but people don’t understand that Josh cleaned that up and that was the catalyst for the playoff run. I’m not sure if it was Allen’s or Brady’s coaching to decision to intentionally not throw to Diggs, or Diggs lack of play or maybe just maybe Diggs hit the proverbial wall mid-season.

He wasn’t hurt and wasn’t double teamed and he took himself out every other play. Did he give up or did his body give up? I kinda believe it was the wall because he wanted to win so badly, but who knows?

I’ll miss his talent but I’m glad he’s gone, the entire situation was too much of a distraction!

He coulda stayed and possibly declined further then get traded for next to nothing. Now there is wide eyed anticipation for the WR room. Also, who else is excited for Kincaid year 2?

as far as Josh being responsible or not. Word salad . Who cares. Who is the face of the franchise… Josh. Now let Josh make an all pro out of a new set of hands…. Or sets of hands.

[kgun12]

I will add this, from almost everything I’ve seen on all the talk shows or articles I’ve read almost all are saying this is on Diggs and the Bills just had had enough! And most all agreed that getting a second for him pretty amazing.

[sukie]

Now let’s hope Minnesota sucks for that to be a sweet 2nd next year.

[kgun12]

Now let’s hope Minnesota sucks for that to be a sweet 2nd next year.

They’re in a tough division and need a quarterback more than we need a number one receiver!

[sahlensguy]

The 2nd round pick is nice. But for this trade to be a success it will be because of addiction by subtraction. Which it very well may be. Diggs seemed to be like a nimbostratus that is now lifted.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

I will add this, from almost everything I’ve seen on all the talk shows or articles I’ve read almost all are saying this is on Diggs and the Bills just had had enough! And most all agreed that getting a second for him pretty amazing.
Nick wright was dancing on our grave

I think I watch him cuz I wanna be pissed off lol

[kgun12]

Nick wright was dancing on our grave

I think I watch him cuz I wanna be pissed off lol

Well you’re not alone at this site, lol!

[sahlensguy]

Well you’re not alone at this site, lol!

It's what makes Nick wright so popular.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

It's what makes Nick wright so popular.

He’s skip bayless, but a funnier version even though I love to hate him cuz he’s so hard on josh and the bills

[sahlensguy]

He’s skip bayless, but a funnier version even though I love to hate him cuz he’s so hard on josh and the bills

He reminds me of a certain poster here whose stance is that the Bills aren't capable of winning it all until they do, but with little to no integrity.

[notacon]

The 2nd round pick is nice. But for this trade to be a success it will be because of addiction by subtraction. Which it very well may be. Diggs seemed to be like a nimbostratus that is now lifted.

The 2nd round pick is a LOT more than "nice".

As I detailed here (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/265560-Bills-trading-Diggs-to-texans?p=5097251&viewfull=1#post5097251), it was a steal by Beane as compared to LAC trading Kennan Allen for next to nothing. Aging WR's do not have much trade value.


The fairly predictable draft point value, the Bills got about 424 point value for (almost certainly more than 400 points) Diggs while LAC got only 74 for the equally talented Keenan Allen.

With the realization that Diggs value has only one way to go...DOWN.

That's why Houston chopped off the end of his contract and made him a one year rental instead of committing to anything past this year.

No matter what, this trade sure looks like a BIG WIN for the Bills.

[FanBack]

Stefon Diggs playoff stats - 2021 - 33.5 yards/game, 0 TDs. 2022 - 74.5 yards/game, 0 TDs. 2023 - 36.5 yards/ game, 0 TDs.


Josh Allen has 21 passing TDs, 6 Rushing TDs, 1 Receiving TD, and 4 interceptions in the playoffs. 2,723 passing yards. 563 Rushing yards. Passing stats per game second only to Mahomes. Overall stats superior to Mahomes.

Diggs hasn't caught a playoff TD since the January 2021 against the Ravens. He had 7 yards receiving in the greatest ever playoff game. Yet it is never Mr. Commitment's fault.

[sukie]

What’s harder to find. A franchise QB or a really good #1?

Dont care to cast blame about a WR no longer here. He was gone after this season anyway without the second round return.