Stop Trading With the Chiefs!

[jamze132]

Last time was a dynasty changing trade.

[Historian]

What the **** is he thinking????

[sukie]

Bills didn’t want Xavier…. But we crapped all over KCs day 2 picks

[Novacane]

You're paranoid.

[YardRat]

That was my worst case scenario.

IMO they kept trading down because they have three players (S Dejean, WR Mitchell, DT Newton) that kept dropping to them.

But Jesus Christ, anybody but KC.

[Gibby 2.0]

I am done with this team until Beane and McDermott are gone. This is one of two trades that could not happen. This team obviously hates us and frankly I am done with them

[Novacane]

I am done with this team until Beane and McDermott are gone. This is one of two trades that could not happen. This team obviously hates us and frankly I am done with them

I don't believe you.

[TacklingDummy]

I am done with this team until Beane and McDermott are gone. This is one of two trades that could not happen. This team obviously hates us and frankly I am done with them

Bye

[Mad Max]

Last time was a dynasty changing trade.

Mahomie was a generational pick. Worthy will be nothing more than a footnote in a few years.

[Woodman]

I am done with this team until Beane and McDermott are gone. This is one of two trades that could not happen. This team obviously hates us and frankly I am done with them

No your not.

[Woodman]

Mahomie was a generational pick. Worthy will be nothing more than a footnote in a few years.
Agreed he's a track guy ...... as a football player meh.

[Historian]

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[YardRat]

I just don't see trading with KC and gifting a guy that could be their next Tyreek.

After sleeping on it, I would have rather sat on the pick and let the clock expire. Let the teams behind us jump into our time. Let KC squirm and maybe pay an even bigger price to someone else to get Worthy a couple of spots earlier.

The guys we have targeted would have still been there, just like today.
The trade with Carolina would have probably been there still, so we could have added draft value there.
The return from KC isn't really significant enough to justify a move that strengthens your biggest conference rival.

Beane absolutely needs to ace the rest of this draft in a way that gets Buffalo over the KC hump, because if this kid in KC is anything other than a bust the move is going to be another huge mistake hanging over this regime's head.

[Forward_Lateral]

I mean, it depends how you look at it.

I think Worthy is a monumental Roscoe Parrish like bust, and would've screamed if the Bills took him.

He's not even in the same conversation as Hill, so stop saying he's the Chief's next Tyreek, just because he's small and fast. If every small and fast WR was Tyreek Hill, there'd be 100 of them in the NFL.

There's a reason there isn't.

They got a 3rd round pick for moving down 4 spots. They obviously have a target in mind, and obviously were 100% sure said target would be there at the top of round 2. Why not trade and get extra draft capital?

This is about making the Buffalo Bills the best team they can possibly make, not about making the Chiefs weaker.

[Historian]

I might feel that way if Diggs were still on the roster.

Unfortunately, we had a chance to fill a GAPING hole at WR, and wimped out.

I kinda wonder what Allen is thinking this morning.

Picture him hitting this kid in stride.

Instead, we let the fastest WR in the draft go to our chief competitor (literally).

[Gilly]

Guy is 165 pounds. He won’t last 2 years

[Forward_Lateral]

I might feel that way if Diggs were still on the roster.

Unfortunately, we had a chance to fill a GAPING hole at WR, and wimped out.

I kinda wonder what Allen is thinking this morning.

Picture him hitting this kid in stride.

Instead, we let the fastest WR in the draft go to our chief competitor (literally).

I don't see it. Just because he runs fast, doesn't make him good.

Have we learned nothing from picks like Roscoe, Marquise Goodwin? Remember Isaiah McKenzie (they didn't draft him, I know).

The only small WR that's ever had any type of real success in Buffalo in the past 20 years is Beasely, and his body got destroyed because they used him so much

[GreedoII]

Chiefs taking a chance because they can. They have the luxury. So they are going to see what they get with Worthy. Not a huge deal sorry. Worthy way overrated. Tons of 1sr rd talent left due to these dumb teams drafting mid range QBs. Totally hilarious

[Forward_Lateral]

Chiefs taking a chance because they can. They have the luxury. So they are going to see what they get with Worthy. Not a huge deal sorry. Worthy way overrated. Tons of 1sr rd talent left due to these dumb teams drafting mid range QBs. Totally hilarious
Agreed.

The value the Bills are getting at the top of round 2 is enormous. Heck, they could probably move down again, if they wanted.

[Historian]

Tons of 1sr rd talent left due to these dumb teams drafting mid range QBs. Totally hilarious
Not to change the subject, but I think it shows that most teams are of the same mind:

If you don't have a franchise quarterback, you're just fodder for the teams that do.

You can't even compete.

Now, I don't know if any of these guys are any good, but if you lack a lack a dominant QB, you gotta take your shot, right?

[Jeff1220]

The Bills obviously had no interest in picking Worthy. The likelihood is that the Chiefs still would've been able to get him, so the Bills might as well benefit from their picks. There are still plenty of good WRs available, many that I like more than Worthy. And still big value at some other positions of need. Aside from staying up too late to watch the Bills not pick in the 1st, I have no regrets at this point about Day 1.

[Woodman]

The Bills obviously had no interest in picking Worthy. The likelihood is that the Chiefs still would've been able to get him, so the Bills might as well benefit from their picks. There are still plenty of good WRs available, many that I like more than Worthy. And still big value at some other positions of need. Aside from staying up too late to watch the Bills not pick in the 1st, I have no regrets at this point about Day 1.

:10: Enjoyed it thoroughly.

[Historian]

They're literally laughing at us on Good Morning Football.

They think this kid is going to extend Kelce's career by five years.

SMH.

[sukie]

They are assuming he’s Tyreek. Too funny

[Woodman]

:monkeyp:GMF

[Woodman]

GMF :horsecrap

[EDS]

I don't see it. Just because he runs fast, doesn't make him good.

Have we learned nothing from picks like Roscoe, Marquise Goodwin? Remember Isaiah McKenzie (they didn't draft him, I know).

The only small WR that's ever had any type of real success in Buffalo in the past 20 years is Beasely, and his body got destroyed because they used him so much

Without question there is risk in taking Worthy due to his size. But I don't think comparing him to someone like Goodwin or Parrish. Neither of those guys had anywhere near the success in college as a wide receiver that Worthy has had. Again, that does not mean Worthy will have a great career, just that I don't see the basis for the comparison.

[sukie]

This was an awesome trade. KC would have gotten Worthy at 32 without losing 40 positions out of the 3rd and 20 positions later. KC gave up needless positions for nothing.

[kgun12]

They're literally laughing at us on Good Morning Football.

They think this kid is going to extend Kelce's career by five years.

SMH.

People laughed at the Bills when they chose Allen over Rosan, Indy for choosing Manning over Leaf. Nobody knows, The Bills stuck to their board for better or worst.
Now if you’re an Atlanta fan you have something to complain about, lol!

[sukie]

Let’s see who wins the rest of the draft , Bills or KC

[Historian]

Okay, so we still need a WR.

Who do you take....the kid from Texas?

[ghz in pittsburgh]

I posted in another thread on what Belichick commented on it when asked the exact question of trading with your biggest rival (the question referred to Pats and Colts in brady vs Manning era). Belichick said your worry about building your team, not about messing up the other team. True words of a confident champion in my opinion.

[Novacane]

Let’s see who wins the rest of the draft , Bills or KC

And we won't even know that for a couple years. All the hullabaloo over this is comical. There's a 75% chance no one will even remember this guy's name in 5 years.

[sahlensguy]

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[sahlensguy]

This was a great trade. If it wasn't with the Chiefs, nobody would be so high on worthy. But because it was with the Chiefs, we screwed up?

Nah. We stole their lunch money.

[Woodman]

Brandon Beane- Didn’t matter... (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/265744-Brandon-Beane-Didn%E2%80%99t-matter-to-us-who-they-were-picking?goto=newpost)

check it out! :biggrin:

[Forward_Lateral]

Without question there is risk in taking Worthy due to his size. But I don't think comparing him to someone like Goodwin or Parrish. Neither of those guys had anywhere near the success in college as a wide receiver that Worthy has had. Again, that does not mean Worthy will have a great career, just that I don't see the basis for the comparison.
He's being compared to Tyreek, so why can't I compare him to those guys?

Same difference.

More likely to end up like the guys I mentioned than Tyreek

[Forward_Lateral]

This was a great trade. If it wasn't with the Chiefs, nobody would be so high on worthy. But because it was with the Chiefs, we screwed up?

Nah. We stole their lunch money.

Exactly. Worthy probably would've been there at 31 anyways. Bills got a 3rd round pick out of it, plus they will still get the guy they were targeting at 28

[Novacane]

This was a great trade. If it wasn't with the Chiefs, nobody would be so high on worthy. But because it was with the Chiefs, we screwed up?

Nah. We stole their lunch money.

They probably could have just sat at 32 and gotten him.

[Forward_Lateral]

All of this worrying about trading with the Chiefs is loser talk.

Do you gripe that your neighbor's lawn is greener than yours, or do you try your ass off to make it greener?

I run a business. My focus is not my competition. In my mind, I have no competition. My focus is my business, how I can make it the best business around, and what I need to do to make that happen. I don't give a rats ass what the guy down the street is doing.

[sahlensguy]

They probably could have just sat at 32 and gotten him.

They probably could have traded back from 32 and got him, or another good player.

I mean if they want to just give us their 3rd rounder, we'll take it - they owe us...

[jamze132]

My entire point is that if Andy Reed and Co. are willing to trade up for a guy, maybe we should have interest in that guy. The Chiefs know what they’re doing and they’re taking advantage of us.

[Forward_Lateral]

My entire point is that if Andy Reed and Co. are willing to trade up for a guy, maybe we should have interest in that guy. The Chiefs know what they’re doing and they’re taking advantage of us.

Really? Because Buffalo wasn't taking Worthy, clearly, and I highly doubt any of the teams behind the Bills were. So, who took advantage of who?

[ghz in pittsburgh]

My entire point is that if Andy Reed and Co. are willing to trade up for a guy, maybe we should have interest in that guy. The Chiefs know what they’re doing and they’re taking advantage of us.

Come on now. You spent the whole year of your entire scouting team, gathering info, interview people, visits, grading each player, building the draft boards. Now at the very last second of drafting, you throw all that out because the Chiefs wanting to trade with you. If that's the case, you have bigger problems. Might as well fire your scouting department, Branden Beane included, and go out to hire the Chiefs scouting department, like double their pay.

[kgun12]

My entire point is that if Andy Reed and Co. are willing to trade up for a guy, maybe we should have interest in that guy. The Chiefs know what they’re doing and they’re taking advantage of us.

Because they can take a chance on a player, they already have the ring. Worthy has more down side potential than upside.

[sahlensguy]

My entire point is that if Andy Reed and Co. are willing to trade up for a guy, maybe we should have interest in that guy. The Chiefs know what they’re doing and they’re taking advantage of us.

So. Bill Belichick's drafts were rated better than everybody else's because he was Bill Belichick. How did they always work out?

[YardRat]

Okay, so we still need a WR.

Who do you take....the kid from Texas?

I don't. Javon Baker would be my next WR target, later.


I posted in another thread on what Belichick commented on it when asked the exact question of trading with your biggest rival (the question referred to Pats and Colts in brady vs Manning era). Belichick said your worry about building your team, not about messing up the other team. True words of a confident champion in my opinion.

Belicheck has a drawer full of rings, he kinda gets the benefit of the doubt. KC also. We have zilch.

[sukie]

My entire point is that if Andy Reed and Co. are willing to trade up for a guy, maybe we should have interest in that guy. The Chiefs know what they’re doing and they’re taking advantage of us.

KC has been struggling at WR for some time. Not sure if the above is true.

[Forward_Lateral]

KC has been struggling at WR for some time. Not sure if the above is true.
They've made one good WR pick in Hill.

The rest have been meh.

Not to mention they thought Toney would be good and traded for him

[notacon]

I suspect that the Bills FLEECED KC. Of course we will only know in time.

Xavier Worthy has bust written al over him. The Chiefs did a MAJOR reach, and seem blinded by his speed.

The draft analyst I respect the most, The Athletic's Dane Brugler, has him ranked as the #10 WR and #50 overall. He has him graded as a "2nd-3rd round" player. Brugler's weaknesses and summary...



Slender, thin body type with minimal bulk on his frame … below-average play strength and physicality, especially with crowded catch points (converted just five of his 21 contested targets in 2023) … prematurely takes his eyes off the ball, leading to focus drops … inconsistent climbing the ladder and pulling down throws … often goes backwards at contact … long-term durability will be questioned by some, because of his size … played through a broken right hand (October 2022) in the second half of his sophomore season and required a cast after the season (healed without surgery) … three fumble s on offense and two muffed punt returns over his career … had more 100-yard receiving games as a freshman (four) than in his sophomore and junior seasons combined (three).


SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Texas, Worthy worked both inside and outside in head coach Steve Sarkisian’s spread, RPO offense (59.9 percent wide, 39.9 percent slot in 2023). An immediate contributor the moment he arrived in Austin, he finished No. 3 in school history in touchdown catches (26) and No. 4 in receiving yards (2,755). He also became just the second player in Texas history with three seasons of 60-plus receptions. Using his ability to weaponize his burst and breakaway speed, Worthy can win deep, separate out of breaks with full-speed route cuts or stick his foot in the ground and fly with the ball in his hands. Despite being a blur across the field, though, just 18.7 percent of his catches in 2023 resulted in a 20-plus-yard play. He tracks the ball well, but he won’t win in many 50-50 situations and needs space at the catch point to be effective. Overall, Worthy doesn’t have ideal size, toughness or play strength, but his dynamic speed and playmaking instincts make him a threat as both a wide receiver and return man. He doesn’t have the body of work of DeSean Jackson, but he teases similar flashes.

GRADE: 2nd-3rd Round (No. 50 overall)


Kinda looks like a twin of Kardarius Toney. :rofl:

Maybe they see him as a kick returner.

Three WR's on the board are graded higher than Worthy...AND Ricky Pearsall (#31 to SanFran) AND Xavier Legette (#32 to CAR)...

#5 - Ladd McConkey
#6 - Adonai Mitchell
#7 - Keon Coleman

The Bills SIGNIFICANTLY improved the value of their later round picks, with the added bonus of not adding any picks as it's doubtful they have room on their roster for 10 rookies.

They did MUCH better (including the trade with CAR...hat tip to Joe B.) because the Bills improved a late fourth-round pick (No. 133) into a late third-round selection (No. 95), a late sixth-round pick (No. 200) into an early fifth-round pick (No. 141) and a late seventh-round pick (No. 248) into the top pick in the seventh round (No. 221). They now have pick Nos. 33, 60, 95, 128, 141, 144, 160, 163, 204 and 221 spread across Day 2 on Friday and Day 3 on Saturday.

Now, the fully realize the benefit of trading back, Beane has to hit on several of the picks on day two and three.

In any event, KC was going to get their guy, best for the Bills that they get something of value in the meantime.

[notacon]

I might feel that way if Diggs were still on the roster.

Unfortunately, we had a chance to fill a GAPING hole at WR, and wimped out.

I kinda wonder what Allen is thinking this morning.

Picture him hitting this kid in stride.

Instead, we let the fastest WR in the draft go to our chief competitor (literally).

There is ZERO evidence that the Bills cannot fill that "GAPING hole at WR" with a WR that may turn out to be BETTER than the three that were drafted after Brain Thomas.

I would have been MORE pissed off if the Bills drafted ANY of the three....Worthy, Pearsall and Legette.

McConkey, Coleman and Mitchell are more suitable for the Bills.

I suspect that Keon Coleman might be the pick at #33.

But, I will not be surprised (or upset) if the Bills opt for a non-WR as there are several very good players on the board like...

Cooper DeJean DB (could move to S)
Jackson Powers-Johnson C/G
Johnny Newton DT

Today is going to be very interesting.

[Novacane]

My entire point is that if Andy Reed and Co. are willing to trade up for a guy, maybe we should have interest in that guy. The Chiefs know what they’re doing and they’re taking advantage of us.

They made a great draft pick 7 years ago and Reed is a better coach than McDermott. That's why they've won 3 SB. That doesn't mean they are any better at knowing what they're doing on draft day than Beane is. I'm sure we could go through their draft history and find lots of misses.

[YardRat]

"Hello, Terry? Yeah, it's Roger. Look, KC is kind of in a jam with this Rice thingie, and they're starting to get nervous that the kid from Texas they covet isn't going to last until #32, so here's what you're going to have your GM do....."

[sukie]

There is ZERO evidence that the Bills cannot fill that "GAPING hole at WR" with a WR that may turn out to be BETTER than the three that were drafted after Brain Thomas.

I would have been MORE pissed off if the Bills drafted ANY of the three....Worthy, Pearsall and Legette.

McConkey, Coleman and Mitchell are more suitable for the Bills.

I suspect that Keon Coleman might be the pick at #33.

But, I will not be surprised (or upset) if the Bills opt for a non-WR as there are several very good players on the board like...

Cooper DeJean DB (could move to S)
Jackson Powers-Johnson C/G
Johnny Newton DT

Today is going to be very interesting.
There will be a move up today… I feel it somewhere

[jamze132]

I trust Andy Reed’s decision making because he’s already proven that his draft picks are good enough to win Super Bowls.

Obviously only time will tell how this trade will turn out…it’s just my initial opinion.

[daryls61]

Can you believe Chiefs gave Bills Coleman and Carter for a marginal WR?

[sahlensguy]

Can you believe Chiefs gave Bills Coleman and Carter for a marginal WR?

Carter is so meh, it's hard to call this trade a win. But Coleman > Xavier. Beane could have just taken Coleman at 28 and called it a day. The net result would be the same.

[Woodman]

This was an awesome trade. KC would have gotten Worthy at 32 without losing 40 positions out of the 3rd and 20 positions later. KC gave up needless positions for nothing.
Exactly they were the dumb asses on this one.

Wasting resources keep it going.

Love the big money they gave Kelce as well.