Still waiting for the vaunted defense that GW promised from Day One

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  • mchurchfie
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    • Jul 2002
    • 13418
    #1

    Still waiting for the vaunted defense that GW promised from Day One

    We haven't had a good defense in Buffalo since Teddy Cotrell and the 3-4. This defense has no passrush at all or no push at the line of scrimmage. The emphasis is on smaller quicker people (excluding Williams & Adams) on defense all getting to the ball in a hurry. From what I can see either our defense is getting physically manhandled or they rush to the passer or ball carrier so quick that half of the time they run right by them. Williams can take his Tennesee-style defense and Jerry Gray and stick'em where the sun don't shine.
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  • LtBillsFan66
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 35553
    #2
    They played well the first 3 games...

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    • mchurchfie
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 13418
      #3
      Originally posted by billsfanone
      They played well the first 3 games...
      Not well enough....even in the NE game they were getting run on 4-6 Yds at a pop. I know that they were in some kind of a prevent then but the good defenses stop everything most of the time, no matter what the situation. We haven't had a very good passrush, push on the line, or the ability to shut down the run the whole season and it has come back to haunt us. Not stopping a team on offense because of playcalling is one thing, but when you just plain get outmatched physically, that is very discouraging.
      Last edited by mchurchfie; 09-29-2003, 12:09 PM.
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      • Ebenezer
        Give me a minute...
        • Jul 2002
        • 73867
        #4
        another reason to fire him...




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        • Historian
          2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
          • Dec 2002
          • 61844
          #5
          Re: Still waiting for the vaunted defense that GW promised from Day One

          ...and the West Coast Offense... and the improved special teams...and the discipline....and...

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          • mchurchfie
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            • Jul 2002
            • 13418
            #6
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            • imbondz
              Democrats are people too
              • Jan 2003
              • 26041
              #7
              games 1-3 the D played awesome. Especially against Miami, though they couldn't stop RW, not many teams do. Yesterday, they played flat, but I bet it's because the offense didn't put any points on the board for 3 quarters and the D was on the field again way too long. Time of possession kills the Defense.
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              • LtBillsFan66
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 35553
                #8
                Originally posted by mchurchfie
                Not well enough....even in the NE game they were getting run on 4-6 Yds at a pop. I know that they were in some kind of a prevent then but the good defenses stop everything most of the time, no matter what the situation. We haven't had a very good passrush, push on the line, or the ability to shut down the run the whole season and it has come back to haunt us. Not stopping a team on offense because of playcalling is one thing, but when you just plain get outmatched physically, that is very discouraging.
                They also let up zero points the first game!

                Man you guys are really reaching for reasons.

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                • R. Rich
                  Registered User
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 15874
                  #9
                  What made it worse was the brash way he came into town, talking about how he didn't care what kind of defense was here before, his was better and all that crap. So far, he hasn't delivered on his boasting/trash talking. He had better get it in gear quickly and get this team winning again. I know it can be done, because the talent is here. It's up to Williams and his staff to know what they can do and what they can't. Then, get to doing those things you can do! What's more, be more aggressive in doing so, especially up front on both offense and defense!

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                  • Buckets
                    Registered User
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 804
                    #10
                    Originally posted by imbondz
                    games 1-3 the D played awesome. Especially against Miami, though they couldn't stop RW, not many teams do. Yesterday, they played flat, but I bet it's because the offense didn't put any points on the board for 3 quarters and the D was on the field again way too long. Time of possession kills the Defense.
                    Somebody always has to defend the defensless. The D was flat right from the opening snap. They were back on their heels, no attack D here. They looked like they were a page behind.

                    :madfire:

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                    • mchurchfie
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 13418
                      #11
                      Originally posted by imbondz
                      games 1-3 the D played awesome. Especially against Miami, though they couldn't stop RW, not many teams do. Yesterday, they played flat, but I bet it's because the offense didn't put any points on the board for 3 quarters and the D was on the field again way too long. Time of possession kills the Defense.
                      The offense is obviously one of the culprits for the offset time of possession but the defense's inability to stop the offense from converting on third downs is killing them also. They all go hand in hand. This defense is an average/good defense with the ability to be great and nothing more right now.
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                      • LtBillsFan66
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 35553
                        #12
                        Originally posted by Buckets
                        Somebody always has to defend the defensless. The D was flat right from the opening snap. They were back on their heels, no attack D here. They looked like they were a page behind.

                        :madfire:
                        In yesterday's game, yes. But not in games 1-3.

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                        • Historian
                          2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 61844
                          #13
                          Originally posted by R. Rich
                          What made it worse was the brash way he came into town, talking about how he didn't care what kind of defense was here before, his was better and all that crap.
                          Yes, then he proceeded to rip apart the league's #3 defense.

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                          • helmetguy
                            Touch the helmet for luck
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 5949
                            #14
                            Originally posted by Billsology
                            Yes, then he proceeded to rip apart the league's #3 defense.
                            That's why I've often referred to him as "Tennessee" Williams. It seems like that's where he'd rather be than "right here, right now!"
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                            And someone else said "Never mind!"

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                            • Buckets
                              Registered User
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 804
                              #15
                              Originally posted by billsfanone


                              In yesterday's game, yes. But not in games 1-3.
                              I'm not being critical of the D personel but its preparation and game plan. Usually when a game goes this far south the blame rests with the coaches.

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