Rush Limbaugh

[The Spaz]

I am glad he resigned from ESPN NFL Countdown although not for his recent comments but just becasue he wasn't a very knowledge football guy IMO!

[Dozerdog]

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya

[MTBillsFan]

woohoo! finally, back to some football! He should have never joined ESPN in the first place!

[superbills]

Well, once again, politically correct and slanted views win out over a differing opinion. The "crew" as Rush put it when he cited why he was leaving offered no retort to his comments. Not the slightest peep. Yet, he resigned beacuse he felt that THEIR comfort level and moral were more inportant than he. Who's the better man here? I say the guy who stands up for what he believes and puts others before himself, not the "let's wait and see what people think and then we'll decide how to react" Casper Milquetoasts. We have way too many of those in our society. Sad to see that four more have surfaced for all to see. Sad indeed.

[The Natrix]

yeah, I didn't have a problem with his comments either.

I had a problem with him sucking. Everytime they put him on, I felt as though I could be doing something better, like staring at a wall or doing a crossword puzzle.

[lordofgun]

He picked the Pats to beat the Bills. :shakeno:

[BidsJr]

The socialist Libs got what they wanted on this one. ESPN would have caved in to the pressure of firing him, I think Rush was caught by his cahoonas on this one. Had to resign to save face. It is a shame that the amount of people in this nation who can practice free speech is diminishing by the day.... No matter what their view.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Real smart to start a racial fight when there are 3 or 4 black ex-NFL players sitting within 20 feet of you. :eek:

Al Franken was right. Rush is a big fat idiot.

[BidsJr]

Al Franken Is a communist

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by BidsJr
Al Franken Is a communist

That doesn't mean that he's not right about Rush being a big fat idiot.

[lordofgun]

Al Franken is the idiot.

[BidsJr]

Rush had as much right to his comments as Franken had to his. SO I guess all is good. BTW Rush has lost a bunch of weight so he prolly should have been just Big Idiot.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Everyone has the rights to their own opinions, but I don't see many Klansmen speaking up at the NAACP conventions.

[lordofgun]

There was nothing racist about what he said. He was bashing the sports media, not blacks. :shakeno:

[BidsJr]

Nor NAACP Members speaking up at Klan meetings.


Also didn't see any Uprisings about the hiring practices of the Bengals when they hired Marv Lewis.

Have to admit there are just certain topics that our culture is very sensitive about.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by lordofgun
There was nothing racist about what he said. He was bashing the sports media, not blacks. :shakeno:

No, he just called the media racist in a round about way for protecting and over touting a black QB. The whole discussion was stupid, especially on an NFL pregame show. We need X's and O's not social commentary on our NFL shows.

[BidsJr]

If the media were not racist they wouldn't be reacting as they are.

People in this country just need to grow up and not be so freaking sensative.


McNabb should have stood up and said I'll let my play on the field speak for it self.

[The Natrix]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart


We need X's and O's not social commentary on our NFL shows.

Amen. They could also do without player's personal stories.

[lordofgun]

I agree, it was a stupid topic. What did ESPN expect to happen?

That said, it's amazing someone has to resign over an opinion. This society is WAY too sensitive.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by The Natrix
Amen. They could also do without player's personal stories.

I disagree. I want to know more about Paris Hilton.

[BidsJr]

Amen



Oh wait, hope the spiratual referance doesn't offend

[DraftBoy]

Pregame is mostly about X's and O's but its obvious that ESPN and ABC have tried to pull in the avg fan to their shows with such hirings as Dennis Miller and Rush Limbaugh. Personally I thought both were great for football, and its a shame Rush has to resign. I blame the media and I was watching the pregame with a bunch of my friend (a few of them being black) didnt even say a word except to agree with him about McNabb being overrated. We actually discussed this after today and basically they said he was right in what he had to say the media is in such a hurry to make anybody a hero especially women, children, and minorities. Just my opinion

[lordofgun]

I was cracking up listening to the Dan Patrick show today. He criticized Rush for bringing politics onto a football show.

Dan Patrick's entire show is all about politics. From Augusta to John Rocker, Dan talks about it all. But Rush can't?

[Earthquake Enyart]

I don't want non-football guys on my NFL shows. Pregame or doing games.

But a little cheesecake once in a while doesn't bother me. :snicker:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
Real smart to start a racial fight when there are 3 or 4 black ex-NFL players sitting within 20 feet of you. :eek:

Al Franken was right. Rush is a big fat idiot.


Originally posted by BidsJr
Al Franken Is a communist


Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
That doesn't mean that he's not right about Rush being a big fat idiot.


Originally posted by lordofgun
Al Franken is the idiot.

While I'm not 100% Franken or Limbaugh's politics- that was one of the funniest books I've read.

[Shiny Chicken]

Rush and Al Franken are both idiots...

[Shiny Chicken]

Wait... I'm thinking of another Al.... Sharpton.... he's an idiot... I like Franken :tongue:

[The Spaz]

hat I don't get is when Limbaugh made him comments Michael Irvin who is black didn't find anything wrong with it in fact he agreed for christ sakes.

[Ð]

I didn't think he'd last until Christmas...now on to firing Gregg Williams. Maybe he'll resign :D

[Turf]

Speaking of politics, all I care about is what I'm going to have for lunch today, when will GW be let go, and whether I can get the right sliders in my hockey games to produce sim like results.

[Ð]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
Al Franken was right. Rush is a big fat idiot.

Hey go easy on Rush. He's lost a lot of weight ;)

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by Ð


Hey go easy on Rush. He's lost a lot of weight ;)

that's because the hypocrite is on drugs.

[TedMock]

I hate Al Franken. He's so "high and mighty" when all he is is a left winged Rush Limbaugh. It's so funny listening to both of them bad mouth each other when they're so much alike. Franken dropping "F-bombs" at Dean's benefit party in front of children was pretty classy.

[Ð]

LOL, CNN reporting breaking news that Limbaugh is being investigated in illegal painkiller trafficking ring, as a major buyer, not as a seller.

Susan Candiotti "Taking over 100 pills a day" Gotta take it with a grain of salt ;)

[Novacane]

Free Speech is dying in America.

[Novacane]

All the TV pre-game shows suck anyway. I usually listen to the Bills pre-game on radio right up until game time.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
Free Speech is dying in America.

This has nothing to do with free speech ... free speech does not give you the right to say something without consequences, merely that you will not be punished by the government for what you say.

If your boss fires you after you tell him to go $@#& himself, that is not an infringement on your free speech - it's exactly what is supposed to happen.

Free speech allows you to say what you want and others to respond in whatever non-violent way they see fit. That is what has happened in this case.

I think people overreacted to Rush's opinion (which I disagree with in this instance, but do think that it applies in other examples), but to say that it is an example of free-speech going by the wayside is wrong.

[Novacane]

I'm not going to get into a political disagreement with you. I'm not in the mood for that $#it but I stand by that statement.

[Billzz]

Point is it's a topic that should of never come up. Media glorifies what sells, PERIOD.

Rush over stepped the bounds of a network that dares not offend a large market of it's viewers. Rush represented ESPN and vice versa. He raised a point that was his opinion but to be honest it was out of place and does not belong on a sports show.

Last thing I want to hear on sunday before my Bills play is verbal assualt of reality on how the world is a shallow place. I watch to get away from reality, not have it thrown in my face by some unknowledgable clod that thinks he's making everyone aware of something we don't know.

Right or wrong atleast IMO I feel the players treat each other as equals on field having reached a point 99% plus will only strive to achieve.

[helmetguy]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
that's because the hypocrite is on drugs.

The allegation was made by a supposed former Limbaugh maid, and first published in The National Enquirer. Lots of Credibility there, huh?

[colin]

Rush is a blow hard, but I do think the media gets behind certain playes and just does not want to let go, or they emphaisize that player of many others.

They did it with Kordel and Mcnabb, perhaps because they are black quarterbacks, and the sports talk guys seemed to way over emphasize that these guys are not just running QBs but passing QBs too, even though as passers alone they are not that great.

The funny thing is, the same media seemed to overlook McNair for Kordel, and Daunte Culpepper for McNabb, both of whom I think are equal if not better than the above mentioned two. It might be a case of the media wanting to lock onto a black QB, but then having no intent of actually being objective, at the expense of the coverage of other better quarterbacks, even if they are black too.

[helmetguy]

I never heard the media go out of their way in their praise for Warren Moon. Probably because he was a REAL QB, not just a tailback that can throw.

[Ð]

It's because he was Canadian ;)

[L.A. Playa]

I beleive Rush Limbaugh made the mistake of putting himself out there so he could get attacked. First, what he said was wrong and offensive. To say the NFL conspired to make Mc Nabb succesful because he is black is a very racist comment, not blatant racist but underlining racist. By saying this he discounts any achievements that Doug Williams, Warren Moon, Randal Cunningham and other african american quarterbacks have achieved in the past. The NFL did not to promote Mc Nabb because african americans have already proven they can be succesful on the field. Also, Martin Luther King Jr and others fought for the right of people not to be singled out for the color of their skin, Limbaugh points out that Mc Nabb has been hyped totally based on the color of his skin. The rest of the panel didn't refute this because it is shocking when you hear something tlike this and being a live show they didn't know how and have the time to refute what he was saying. What Limbaugh said was an eloquent sober version basically of what Jimmy the greek said in a drunk state years ago. He should have been fired and attacked. After the way he has attacked liberials in the past he just got a taste of his own medicine. I wonder how he likes it???

[justasportsfan]

Didn't Terrell Owens say white guys are not fast enough to be wr's? Did someone call to have him fired?

[Billsouth]

Originally posted by HenryRules


This has nothing to do with free speech ... free speech does not give you the right to say something without consequences, merely that you will not be punished by the government for what you say.

If your boss fires you after you tell him to go $@#& himself, that is not an infringement on your free speech - it's exactly what is supposed to happen.

Free speech allows you to say what you want and others to respond in whatever non-violent way they see fit. That is what has happened in this case.

I think people overreacted to Rush's opinion (which I disagree with in this instance, but do think that it applies in other examples), but to say that it is an example of free-speech going by the wayside is wrong.


you could not be anymore INCORRECT!

the purpose of free speech is to protect and promote the voicing of unpopular viewpoints. it is even more protected when it involves political speech. one of the reasons why this country was founded and the bill of rights enacted was to prevent the non-violent retaliation for exercise of speech, albeit it has to be a government actor for the first amendment to apply.

rush did not tell his boss to @#%$@ himself and he did not yell fire in a movie theater. these examples are not protected speech.

He merely voiced his opinion about race relations and the media and nfl. like it or not, there is a lot of truth to the statement that the nfl does have an interest in seeing blacks being promoted. hell, the rule is that u cannot even hire a coach without interviewing a black coach first.

in the end, the weakminded, intolerant liberals like al sharpton used the race card to attack someone. i find it odd that when dusty baker made the comment that blacks and hispanics are better in warmer climates than whites because they are used to it did not trigger the same reaction.

to all liberals- u r hypocrites.

[L.A. Playa]

Originally posted by Billsouth



you could not be anymore INCORRECT!

the purpose of free speech is to protect and promote the voicing of unpopular viewpoints. it is even more protected when it involves political speech. one of the reasons why this country was founded and the bill of rights enacted was to prevent the non-violent retaliation for exercise of speech, albeit it has to be a government actor for the first amendment to apply.

rush did not tell his boss to @#%$@ himself and he did not yell fire in a movie theater. these examples are not protected speech.

He merely voiced his opinion about race relations and the media and nfl. like it or not, there is a lot of truth to the statement that the nfl does have an interest in seeing blacks being promoted. hell, the rule is that u cannot even hire a coach without interviewing a black coach first.

in the end, the weakminded, intolerant liberals like al sharpton used the race card to attack someone. i find it odd that when dusty baker made the comment that blacks and hispanics are better in warmer climates than whites because they are used to it did not trigger the same reaction.

to all liberals- u r hypocrites.



first of all Al Sharpton will jump on anything, second Donovan Mc Nabb's race has nothing to do of how the NFL promotes him and the media is not controlled by the NFL. Rush brought race into a discussion that had no place or merrit. This is what people are upset at. Try living your whole life overcoming the way people look at you based on appearance, believe you have overcome it based on who you are, and discover that no matter how much you are being yourself and how succesful you are people still look at you for your appearance first. Donovan Mc Nabb is a quarterback in the NFL period. If he is overhyped or not is not based on his appearance but based on what the media not the NFL wants to project. The position of quarterback is always overhyped in American society it doesn't matter what you look like. Rush is getting what he has dished out ove r the years. Taking one word, "black", out of his comments would have alleviated this situation. People are jumping on Rush because , 1. he was wrong in refering to it being a conspiracy because Mc Nabb is black and 2. because he has done the same thing to other people for years. Bringing up what others have said is a moot point because they are not paid on national TV to give a fair biased opinion Rush was.

[Ð]

Jeremy Shockey - "Rush is a homo" :D

[mchurchfie]

:lol:Too bad they couldn't have gotten rid of Dennis Miller this fast.:D

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by HenryRules
This has nothing to do with free speech ... free speech does not give you the right to say something without consequences, merely that you will not be punished by the government for what you say.

AMEN


Originally posted by Fairway To Green
I'm not going to get into a political disagreement with you. I'm not in the mood for that $#it but I stand by that statement.

Oh, that's a good defense...:rolleyes:

Look, Rush should never have even been on the broadcast, that is not moot. He is a fat head who passes commentary, short and simple.

I do not agree with what was said. I will say this, the first reporter/commentator, white or black, that mentions that Baby Joe Mesi is white and gets extra attention, blah, blah, blah, should be fired. Simple.

[TedMock]

For years we've heard about the "great white hope" in boxing. Right or wrong, nobody got fired for saying it. I'm not a Rush fan but I don't see why he needed to resign. I personally did not find the comment to be racist. McNabb is overrated and with so much talk about the "new wave" of black QB's there is extra pressure and hype on him. The networks have created all of this hype. I saw one show last season asking if a black QB can win the big one.....they seemed to have forgotten Doug Williams who was an excellent pocket passer, not a running QB. Bottom line is that I really don't like Rush but I don't find him or his comments to be that far fetched or racist.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Ebenezer


AMEN



Oh, that's a good defense...:rolleyes:





Get off your high horse Eb!! It was not intended to be a defense. I'm not going to get into a discussion with the politically correct police!

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
Get off your high horse Eb!! It was not intended to be a defense. I'm not going to get into a discussion with the politically correct police!

I'm last person who is politically correct...you made a statement, you deserve to defend yourself in an appropriate manner.

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by TedMock
For years we've heard about the "great white hope" in boxing. Right or wrong, nobody got fired for saying it. I'm not a Rush fan but I don't see why he needed to resign. I personally did not find the comment to be racist. McNabb is overrated and with so much talk about the "new wave" of black QB's there is extra pressure and hype on him. The networks have created all of this hype. I saw one show last season asking if a black QB can win the big one.....they seemed to have forgotten Doug Williams who was an excellent pocket passer, not a running QB. Bottom line is that I really don't like Rush but I don't find him or his comments to be that far fetched or racist.

Great points!

This post just opened my eyes...

What about all the talk of the new emerging black QBs? Of course when they mention that it's in a positive light. But since we are on the topic of "race doesn't matter", I guess it only doesn't matter as long as the comments are positive.

Then we hear, "the first african-american this" and "the first african-american that."

I don't get it. It's a double standard.

I hate political correctness. So it’s not that I’m against ever talking about race. In sports, which I and probably many of you love, I wish there was no reference to race (or religion, or whatever) at all! Not for the sake of being politically correct, but for the sake of cherishing sports for what it is. Social issues are in the way of raw sports coverage!

That said, I think Rush was wrong. But there are a lot of others just as wrong, or worse.

[BidsJr]

There is absolutely no reason for this uprising over someone's opinion. The fact is that the overpowering voice of the liberal media saw a golden opportunity to twist the truth and tarnish Limbaugh and conservatisim as a whole. This is not any different than what they do to Bush and his policys right now. THey just stand back and take pot shots whenever the opportunity presents itself because it is the only way to advance their agenda. They (Liberals) have to protect their voting bases and frankly right now they need all the help they can get.

[Earthquake Enyart]

It was OK for Rush to say he thought McNabb is overrated.

It was OK for Rush to say that McNabb is overrated because he is a media darling.

It was stupid of Rush to say that McNabb is a media darling because he is black.

[BidsJr]

Stupid maybe but.........

Certainly OK

[Michael82]

Originally posted by MTBillsFan
woohoo! finally, back to some football! He should have never joined ESPN in the first place!

:bf1:

GREAT Post! I can finally get back to watching ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown again! :D I can't stand him and was very pissed when they brought him aboard. I can't wait to see it this Sunday to see what they say. :D :snicker:

[redeye5]

Rush was right look here is the proof:

http://www.bangahaha1.com/mcnabb3.htm

[helmetguy]

Personally, I'm getting tired of hearing how great Sebastian Janikowski is. I mean, Jan Stenerud was a MUCH better kicker, but nobody ever mentions his name in comparison; or Pete Gogolak, either. I think the media is going out of their way to praise Janikowski is Polish, and they desparately want a Polish kicker to succeed. What about the Swede and Hungarian kickers of the past?

[Michael82]

Originally posted by helmetguy
Personally, I'm getting tired of hearing how great Sebastian Janikowski is. I mean, Jan Stenerud was a MUCH better kicker, but nobody ever mentions his name in comparison; or Pete Gogolak, either. I think the media is going out of their way to praise Janikowski is Polish, and they desparately want a Polish kicker to succeed. What about the Swede and Hungarian kickers of the past?

:lol:

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
Get off your high horse Eb!! It was not intended to be a defense. I'm not going to get into a discussion with the politically correct police!

I'm not going to get into this ... but if you're going to call someone the PC police (which I'm not), then have the **** to back up what you're saying.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by HenryRules


I'm not going to get into this ... but if you're going to call someone the PC police (which I'm not), then have the **** to back up what you're saying.




:moon: *****ing because someone said something you don't like. That is what the PC police do. If the shoe fits...............

[stuckincincy]

This screed screed screed has little place in a sports forum, sports fans...

[Novacane]

Than a mod should move it. It's here so we comment on it.

[stuckincincy]

Agreed.

[Billsouth]

Originally posted by pmacla




first of all Al Sharpton will jump on anything, second Donovan Mc Nabb's race has nothing to do of how the NFL promotes him and the media is not controlled by the NFL. Rush brought race into a discussion that had no place or merrit. This is what people are upset at. Try living your whole life overcoming the way people look at you based on appearance, believe you have overcome it based on who you are, and discover that no matter how much you are being yourself and how succesful you are people still look at you for your appearance first. Donovan Mc Nabb is a quarterback in the NFL period. If he is overhyped or not is not based on his appearance but based on what the media not the NFL wants to project. The position of quarterback is always overhyped in American society it doesn't matter what you look like. Rush is getting what he has dished out ove r the years. Taking one word, "black", out of his comments would have alleviated this situation. People are jumping on Rush because , 1. he was wrong in refering to it being a conspiracy because Mc Nabb is black and 2. because he has done the same thing to other people for years. Bringing up what others have said is a moot point because they are not paid on national TV to give a fair biased opinion Rush was.


this is an ignorant comment.

r u serious that the nfl has not injected race into the league?

ask matt millen about his 110k fine for not interviewing a black coach for mooch's job. the nfl has minority committees and constantly is counting the number of black coaches that are hired and fired.

the rest of ur statement shows why u need to stay in california with the rest of the freaks.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
:moon: *****ing because someone said something you don't like. That is what the PC police do. If the shoe fits...............

Actually, if you had read any of my posts, you would see that I am not *****ing because Rush said something I didn't like. In fact, I am not *****ing at all about the situation. I think that what Rush says applies in certain instances (Tootoo in hockey immediately springs to mind for any Canadians), just not in this case.

All I said, and I still say this, is that people complaining about what Rush said is not an infringement of his freedom of speech, neither is Fox responding to those complaints by pressing Rush to resign (which has never been reported to have happen as far as I know - the pressuring part, I know the resignation did) an infringement of Rush' freedom of speech.

Your thinking of free speech seems to imply two things - one, freedom of speech is a one-way street; and two, freedom of speech is not only a right, but a responsibilty for others to provide you a forum for this speech. Both of these are flat out wrong. (this also seems to apply to what Billsouth said)

First, freedom of speech guarantees your right to say what you want and others to respond as they see fit (non-violently as BS and I both agree upon). The poeple complaining about what Rush said have done nothing violently at all. Saying that Fox should fire him is not a violent act (if people did in fact do this), nor would calling Fox and saying that you refuse to watch any of their shows until Rush was removed. Both of these responses are further examples of the existence of freedom of speech, not the denial.

Second, freedom of speech does not guarantee you a public forum for expressing your ideas. Newspapers, radio stations, and tv stations <b>do not have a responsibility</b> to represent the ideas of everyone. This thinking is a relatively recent phenomonen and very, very dangerous. Contrary to what many people seem to believe, forcing newspapers, radio stations, etc. to represent mutliple views is more of a hindrance to free speech than a helping hand (most obviously, the aspect of forcing them to do something necessitates that the government will be deciding who gets to speak - and because there is a limit to how many opinions can be expressed in one forum - hours in a day, channels on the air, funding for paper, etc. - the government will in turn inevitably end up choosing which opinion is more valid or worth the air time). Only by leaving the choice of what is aired up to the private sector can you guarantee a freedom of speech. As a great illustration of this fact, what is normally one of the clearest demonstrations of a lack of free speech in a country? Answer - government control of the press.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Billsouth



this is an ignorant comment.

r u serious that the nfl has not injected race into the league?

ask matt millen about his 110k fine for not interviewing a black coach for mooch's job. the nfl has minority committees and constantly is counting the number of black coaches that are hired and fired.

the rest of ur statement shows why u need to stay in california with the rest of the freaks.


:movie:

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Billsouth



you could not be anymore INCORRECT!

the purpose of free speech is to protect and promote the voicing of unpopular viewpoints. it is even more protected when it involves political speech. one of the reasons why this country was founded and the bill of rights enacted was to prevent the non-violent retaliation for exercise of speech, albeit it has to be a government actor for the first amendment to apply.

rush did not tell his boss to @#%$@ himself and he did not yell fire in a movie theater. these examples are not protected speech.

He merely voiced his opinion about race relations and the media and nfl. like it or not, there is a lot of truth to the statement that the nfl does have an interest in seeing blacks being promoted. hell, the rule is that u cannot even hire a coach without interviewing a black coach first.

in the end, the weakminded, intolerant liberals like al sharpton used the race card to attack someone. i find it odd that when dusty baker made the comment that blacks and hispanics are better in warmer climates than whites because they are used to it did not trigger the same reaction.

to all liberals- u r hypocrites.

I'm not sure how any of what you said relates to what I was talking about.

Do I think that people are overreacting to what Rush said? Most definitely.

Do I think this overreaction is an infringement of his freedom speech? Most definitely not, as I explained.

Please, instead of re-describing the current situation, explain to me how his freedom of speech has been violated - the fact people complain/disagree with him is an expression of freedom of speech, not a denial of it.

[Novacane]

TH..........................my freedom of speech comment was because there is a certain crowd out there that will make your life a living hell if you dare say something they don't like. They are all for freedom of speech unless someone has a differant opinion. No one wants to be labled a racist and they will use that charge on anyone to shut them up, fair or not.

That may not be taking away freedom of speech but it leads to people choosing not to exercise thier frieedom of speech. That is not a good thing. That is what I meant by "freedom of speech is dying" It may not be being taken away by the government but a certain crowd is intimidating many from exercising the freedom.

[HenryRules]

If Rush is intimidated by the cries of people complaining against him (or anyone for that matter), he is a lesser man than I think he is.

But I will agree with you that complaints from PC people is intimidating others to speak their mind (and in turn, I also have no respect for those that are intimidated as well as those that do the intimidating). I'm not saying that tact should not be used, nor that you shouldn't pick your fights, just that people who <i>never</i> say what they think bc they're afraid of offending someone don't deserve my respect and won't get it either.

[Dozerdog]

Rush can say anything he wants-

But idf you are footing the bill for the lights, cameras , and actions- then you have the right to protect your investment.


Advertisers, consumers, viewers may and will leave if you have someone "expressing" any views they want. I'm sure the Nazi Skinhead channel would get plenty of viewers if someone wanted to put that on their cable company or airwaves. But they won't because they will lose more people then they will bring in.

Since The airwaves and media make their money off the masses- they will try to please as many people as possible. Economically, the revenue does not support Rush telling us McNabb is a product odf a racially biased Media instead of talent.


Look on the net- plenty of people expressing any opinion they want-

[Novacane]

Originally posted by HenryRules
If Rush is intimidated by the cries of people complaining against him (or anyone for that matter), he is a lesser man than I think he is.




He obviously is not or he would not have said what he did but many people are. Speak your mind and you are going to be labled. To some people it's not worth it.

I don't get the chance to listen Rush very often but I am making a point to tune in tomorrow. It should be interesting. He was off today.

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dozerdog
Rush can say anything he wants-

But idf you are footing the bill for the lights, cameras , and actions- then you have the right to protect your investment.


Advertisers, consumers, viewers may and will leave if you have someone &quot;expressing&quot; any views they want. I'm sure the Nazi Skinhead channel would get plenty of viewers if someone wanted to put that on their cable company or airwaves. But they won't because they will lose more people then they will bring in.

Since The airwaves and media make their money off the masses- they will try to please as many people as possible. Economically, the revenue does not support Rush telling us McNabb is a product odf a racially biased Media instead of talent.


Look on the net- plenty of people expressing any opinion they want- [/QUOTE

Well, economics does matter which is why I guess this whole
thread hasn't been moved to the Spam section. Just my opinion. Sorry for my cyniciism.
I hope U know this is no personal shot at U.

[Billsouth]

Originally posted by HenryRules


Actually, if you had read any of my posts, you would see that I am not *****ing because Rush said something I didn't like. In fact, I am not *****ing at all about the situation. I think that what Rush says applies in certain instances (Tootoo in hockey immediately springs to mind for any Canadians), just not in this case.

All I said, and I still say this, is that people complaining about what Rush said is not an infringement of his freedom of speech, neither is Fox responding to those complaints by pressing Rush to resign (which has never been reported to have happen as far as I know - the pressuring part, I know the resignation did) an infringement of Rush' freedom of speech.

Your thinking of free speech seems to imply two things - one, freedom of speech is a one-way street; and two, freedom of speech is not only a right, but a responsibilty for others to provide you a forum for this speech. Both of these are flat out wrong. (this also seems to apply to what Billsouth said)

First, freedom of speech guarantees your right to say what you want and others to respond as they see fit (non-violently as BS and I both agree upon). The poeple complaining about what Rush said have done nothing violently at all. Saying that Fox should fire him is not a violent act (if people did in fact do this), nor would calling Fox and saying that you refuse to watch any of their shows until Rush was removed. Both of these responses are further examples of the existence of freedom of speech, not the denial.

Second, freedom of speech does not guarantee you a public forum for expressing your ideas. Newspapers, radio stations, and tv stations &lt;b&gt;do not have a responsibility&lt;/b&gt; to represent the ideas of everyone. This thinking is a relatively recent phenomonen and very, very dangerous. Contrary to what many people seem to believe, forcing newspapers, radio stations, etc. to represent mutliple views is more of a hindrance to free speech than a helping hand (most obviously, the aspect of forcing them to do something necessitates that the government will be deciding who gets to speak - and because there is a limit to how many opinions can be expressed in one forum - hours in a day, channels on the air, funding for paper, etc. - the government will in turn inevitably end up choosing which opinion is more valid or worth the air time). Only by leaving the choice of what is aired up to the private sector can you guarantee a freedom of speech. As a great illustration of this fact, what is normally one of the clearest demonstrations of a lack of free speech in a country? Answer - government control of the press.


first of all... the first amendment does not even apply to any of this because it involves private actors. in order for the 1st to apply u must have state action.

i have never advocated that Rush's 1st amend. rights were violated. I simply pointed out that the liberals with their PC have defacto iundermined the principles for the first by calling for people's heads (figuratively) when they engage in speech that the liberals disagree with. this causes "chilling" and has actually harmed race relations as did their other brilliant idea... affirmative action.

trying to argue that the PC police's actions promote unpopular speech because they are voicing their disagreement non-violently is absurd. it is nothing more than a more educated, better funded lynch mob that is applying the principles of affirmative action to modern day political debates.

the irony is that this only occurs when a white male engages in such speech. i referenced the dusty baker statement earlier. chris rock uses the "n" word and mocks blacks for using robitussin as an all in one cure without and retribution.

[Sabre Ally]

Good riddance.






Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart


We need X's and O's not social commentary on our NFL shows.

EE, I think I love you.

[L.A. Playa]

Originally posted by Billsouth



this is an ignorant comment.

r u serious that the nfl has not injected race into the league?

ask matt millen about his 110k fine for not interviewing a black coach for mooch's job. the nfl has minority committees and constantly is counting the number of black coaches that are hired and fired.

the rest of ur statement shows why u need to stay in california with the rest of the freaks.
I really believe you should first read what you cal ignorant.
That is if you can read. People like you is why we have a program called affirmitive action. If it was up to you and all of your small closed minded friends, african-americans would probably still be in Africa.
There is a problem in society, America does not see past the color or race of a person, to see whom is truley qualified for a position.

I love California, last time I checked some of the brightest people in the world live here. I have no problem or hatred toward Rush Lim baugh or you for that matter.
Unfortunately you have to resort to name calling when someone does not agree with your opinion. That is such small minded. There are so many great people in Western New York, too bad you have to give them a bad name.

[L.A. Playa]

Originally posted by Billsouth



first of all... the first amendment does not even apply to any of this because it involves private actors. in order for the 1st to apply u must have state action.

i have never advocated that Rush's 1st amend. rights were violated. I simply pointed out that the liberals with their PC have defacto iundermined the principles for the first by calling for people's heads (figuratively) when they engage in speech that the liberals disagree with. this causes &quot;chilling&quot; and has actually harmed race relations as did their other brilliant idea... affirmative action.

trying to argue that the PC police's actions promote unpopular speech because they are voicing their disagreement non-violently is absurd. it is nothing more than a more educated, better funded lynch mob that is applying the principles of affirmative action to modern day political debates.

the irony is that this only occurs when a white male engages in such speech. i referenced the dusty baker statement earlier. chris rock uses the &quot;n&quot; word and mocks blacks for using robitussin as an all in one cure without and retribution.


This is a typical racist small minded remark and the reason why we need the government to protect civil rights. Have you ever met a black person??/ Engaged a Black person in a conversation???

[Billsouth]

PMCALA, your actions are exactly what i am talking about. the minute someone makes a statement that u dont like about affirmative action then u call them a racist. wouldnt u be surprised if i told u that i was black.

u r truly a dumbass!!

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by stuckincincyWell, economics does matter which is why I guess this whole
thread hasn't been moved to the Spam section. Just my opinion. Sorry for my cyniciism.
I hope U know this is no personal shot at U. [/B]

To Be honest- I didn't move this because I had other things to do.

Your wish is my command

[L.A. Playa]

Originally posted by Billsouth
PMCALA, your actions are exactly what i am talking about. the minute someone makes a statement that u dont like about affirmative action then u call them a racist. wouldnt u be surprised if i told u that i was black.

u r truly a dumbass!!

You are truly a white man!!!!!!! So I have not stooped to calling you a freak or other names. If you want to debate respect someone elses opinion. Don't use little bot name calling games. What you said is offensive and racist and would not come out of any african american's mouth that I know. If you are african-american( which I doubt) you are intitled to your opinion, but it is still a closed minded racist view and thats my opinion. Have some repect and grow up!!!!

[Historian]

Originally posted by helmetguy
Personally, I'm getting tired of hearing how great Sebastian Janikowski is. I mean, Jan Stenerud was a MUCH better kicker, but nobody ever mentions his name in comparison; or Pete Gogolak, either. I think the media is going out of their way to praise Janikowski is Polish, and they desparately want a Polish kicker to succeed. What about the Swede and Hungarian kickers of the past?

Finally...the voice of reason! Let's nominate George Jakowenko for the Wall of fame Helmet!!!:shake:

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by Sabre Ally
EE, I think I love you.

helmetguy <--- :sadwalk:

[helmetguy]

Originally posted by Billsology
Finally...the voice of reason! Let's nominate George Jakowenko for the Wall of fame Helmet!!!:shake:

I'm all for it!!!

Next week, we'll champion the cause of Italians! LOU PICCONE for the WALL!

Have you hugged a Dago today?

[helmetguy]

You know what? It just occurred to me! None of this discussion would have come up if it weren't for that damned Marconi guy! First, it was radio, then TV. Blame it on Marconi!

[Sabre Ally]

Originally posted by The_Philster


helmetguy &lt;--- :sadwalk:

lol. He totally ignored ya, Phil.

[Dozerdog]

A classic case of "giving him the heisman"

http://dacnyc.org/geartrophy.jpg

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by Sabre Ally
lol. He totally ignored ya, Phil.

The truth hurts ;)

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Billsouth
first of all... the first amendment does not even apply to any of this because it involves private actors. in order for the 1st to apply u must have state action.

That was my point, I'm glad you agree.


trying to argue that the PC police's actions promote unpopular speech because they are voicing their disagreement non-violently is absurd.

When did I try to do this?

[TedMock]

Originally posted by pmacla



This is a typical racist small minded remark and the reason why we need the government to protect civil rights. Have you ever met a black person??/ Engaged a Black person in a conversation???

I've been following this argument back and forth and I'm not taking sides but I have one question......What and why was that a racist comment? I kept reading it but can't figure it out. Being anti-affirmative action isn't a racist point of view so I'm confused as to what you were talking about.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by pmacla
If you want to debate respect someone elses opinion.


Originally posted by pmacla
This is a typical racist small minded remark
referring to a comment by Billsouth

Anyone else get a laugh that the same person posted these two quotes?

[Billsouth]

i do

[The_Philster]

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Rush Limbaugh told his radio audience Friday that he is amazed at the controversy over his comments about a black quarterback, but did not comment on reports that he's being investigated for illegally buying prescription drugs.

The conservative commentator gave up his job as an ESPN sports analyst after saying Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.

"It's amazing to me that this is a controversy at all. Had what I said been said by anybody else ... it wouldn't have gotten scant attention," he said Friday....

more (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/football/nfl/10/03/bc.fbn.limbaugh.quarterback.ap/index.html)

[The_Philster]

In the hours leading up to Rush Limbaugh's resignation from ESPN Wednesday, the network's suits faced another dilemma that could have ripped apart the cast of their Sunday "NFL Countdown" show.
Well-embedded moles report that Tom Jackson, a 16-year ESPN veteran and the most popular member of the "Countdown" cast, would have quit the show if Limbaugh had stayed....

more (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/122987p-110481c.html)


Looks to me they basically made a choice. TJ or Rush
:bigwave: Rush

[The_Philster]

NEW YORK - ESPN's NFL pregame show returned Sunday with an apology - and without Rush Limbaugh - a week after the commentator's race-tinged comments about Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb.
Panelists Chris Berman, Tom Jackson, Steve Young and Michael Irvin took criticism from the media, as well as McNabb, for not responding when Limbaugh suggested on the Sept. 28 "Sunday NFL Countdown" show that McNabb was overrated because the media wants to see a black quarterback succeed.

"Do I wish that I had caught it in hindsight? Absolutely," Jackson said Sunday. "Do I regret that I didn't? Yes. But I'm human. Mostly, I regret that I missed it for Donovan McNabb's sake. I regret that."..

more (http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20031006/1038055.asp)

[The_Philster]

By Jerry Green / The Detroit News
Until now, Rush Limbaugh's only remote connection to sports was as a flunky and gofer for the Kansas City Royals.

His job was in marketing/PR. When the Royals staged a ball day, for example, Rush was involved in the giveaway and would appear on the field among the professional ballplayers. At one ball day, a bunch of frolicking Royals grabbed the freebie baseballs and started flinging them -- playfully, of course -- at Rush.

Limbaugh went into mouth radio after that. His fame for his political rants grew and grew, at the same speed as his ego and income. He was highly popular as a radio orator with conservatives while he became despised by the liberal element....more (http://www.detnews.com/2003/lions/0310/05/moresports-288467.htm)

[The_Philster]

Mr. Rush Limbaugh
Starboard Ho! Rehab Center
Hypocrisy, Fla.

Dear Rush:
How's by you? The time is winding down on your 30-day narco dry-out and I hope you're clear as a bell. Sincerely. I'd be even more sincere if you had a nickel's worth of compassion for people who were in the same boat in which you now find yourself.

I wanted to update you on the bear trap into which you stepped to start your run of bad luck.

Donovan McNabb is still in his slump.

You should have stuck to the facts of the slump in your ESPN diatribe. Slumps don't equate to being overrated. The year before McNabb was drafted by the Eagles, 1999, Philly won three games. His first full year as a starter they won 11 and flew from then on. ...

more (http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20031026/3036221.asp)

[helmetguy]

Originally posted by Billsouth
the minute someone makes a statement that u dont like about affirmative action then u call them a racist.





Originally posted by pmacla
What you said is offensive and racist and would not come out of any african american's mouth that I know.

Don't know how I missed these before. pmacla, have you ever heard of Larry Elder? What's the word African-Americans use against other African-Americans who DENOUNCE Affirmative Action or entitlements? And, who reject the NAACP? What's that phrase? If you know who Elder is, is he one of those ...um...what do you call 'em...?