Questions about Clinton

[kgun12]

I asked this on another thread, but thought I would start a new one with the same question.

I have to ask all Clinton supporters 2 questions, think about it and be honest.

1. Lets say you woke up the day the story broke about Monica. ALL the facts came out, about the oral sex the cigar and well all the facts. Instead of Monica the name was your daughters, nieces or any other female relative of yours. What would you think of Bill Clinton then?

2. What if your spouse at work was brought up on charges for the same things Bill Clinton was brought up on. Wheather it was the Monica case, Flowers or what ever and the were all true. Would they still be your spouse?

Hers one more thing to think about, I work for the Federal government. If a supervisor married or single gets caught having sex either by mutual consent or not with an employee, either on the job or off property,that supervisor with be fired faster than you can say Monica. That is right out of our code of condust regs. BTW the last time it was review by our boss the Command and Chief and then signed off by was by President William Clinton.

[German]

K,

I don't know why you're so hung up on old news but what ever floats your boat is o.k. I guess.

Let me ask you a question, who would you rather have as president?

Somebody who screws around on his wife, lies to the public but otherwise does a good job (look at how the state of the economy was when he was president) or somebody that gets his countrymen killed on a daily basis (Iraq - the mayor fighting is over, yeah right), lies to the public to get its support for his f..up agendas and ruins the economy?

For me that's a no-brainer. Billy Boy anyday!!!

[Dozerdog]

Warren G Harding- Can you beleive that jerk? Had sex in a closet at the White House-- I'll never vote for him again

[NoCtUrNaL]

Originally posted by kgun12


1. Lets say you woke up the day the story broke about Monica. ALL the facts came out, about the oral sex the cigar and well all the facts. Instead of Monica the name was your daughters, nieces or any other female relative of yours. What would you think of Bill Clinton then?

If that were the case...I'd say he needs to stop slumming and hit on some hot chicks...he's the President for Christ's sake...he should be able to do better then my sister.

[NoCtUrNaL]

Originally posted by kgun12
I work for the Federal government. If a supervisor married or single gets caught having sex either by mutual consent or not with an employee, either on the job or off property,that supervisor with be fired faster than you can say Monica. That is right out of our code of condust regs.

Give me a break....you telling me there aren't Federal employees dating, let alone hooking up with, other Federal employees?

So if two Federal employees should ever marry, one has to quit their job?

[kgun12]

Originally posted by German
K,

I don't know why you're so hung up on old news but what ever floats your boat is o.k. I guess.

Let me ask you a question, who would you rather have as president?

Somebody who screws around on his wife, lies to the public but otherwise does a good job (look at how the state of the economy was when he was president) or somebody that gets his countrymen killed on a daily basis (Iraq - the mayor fighting is over, yeah right), lies to the public to get its support for his f..up agendas and ruins the economy?

For me that's a no-brainer. Billy Boy anyday!!!

This was a question I brought up after looking at the Thank Clinton thread. I can't believe how people will defend this man no matter what he did. Even if your daughters!

Your question is a fair one, and my answer is, if as you called him Billy Boy would have step up and takin care of Saddam and terrorist during his 8 years GW wouldn't have had to. This could never happen cause Billy Boy was too worried about wha tthe lastest polls said to do anything about it!

As far as economany I will say this till I die, It was the first time in 40 years congress was controlled by republicians. Funny how it was the first time in 40 years that the books balanced and the economay was great! To answer your nest question, NO I will not give Billy Boy any credit. I think he was too worried about were his next BJ would come from or what person in his family or his administration would get in trouble next to make good choices for this country!

Clinton presidency was a side show that more often than not turned into the main event was fun to watch.

[kgun12]

Originally posted by NoCtUrNaL


Give me a break....you telling me there aren't Federal employees dating, let alone hooking up with, other Federal employees?

So if two Federal employees should ever marry, one has to quit their job?

Correct!, a Supervisor in a Federal job isn't even allowed to borrow money or approach an employee about selling things like raffles, kids candy for scouts or anything like that!

There was a controller at one facility who wife had terminal cancer and was in the later stages of her illness, this guy brought a women of the eveing to work a mid shift with him and got caught. He was fired that morning. Lost all his benifits his retirement and had no way of paying for his wifes care.

Maybe someone should have given this guy a FREAKIN BREAK, but he wasn't Billy Boy! The funny thing was this guy was a democrat.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by German




..up agendas and ruins the economy?




German................you seem to be a smart man. Do you not admit this ecomomic slowdown started late 99 early 2000? Ask an economist.
Do you not also realize our economy is like a big boat. It takes a while to turn it around. Ask an economist.


Do you not see the signs the economy is turning and now headed in the right direction now. Ask an economist.


Do you not realize any Presidents control over the economy is WAY WAY overstated. Ask an economist.

I am not going to play partisan and blame the recession on Clinton. For Dems to blame it on Bush is ludicrous. Economies go up and down regardless of who is in office.

[Historian]

Originally posted by kgun12


As far as economany I will say this till I die, It was the first time in 40 years congress was controlled by republicians. Funny how it was the first time in 40 years that the books balanced and the economay was great!


President Clinton's Economic Recovery Act was passed without ONE SINGLE VOTE from the partisan republicans.


We'll send a bouquet to your funeral.

[German]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green



German................you seem to be a smart man. Do you not admit this ecomomic slowdown started late 99 early 2000? Ask an economist.
Do you not also realize our economy is like a big boat. It takes a while to turn it around. Ask an economist.


Do you not see the signs the economy is turning and now headed in the right direction now. Ask an economist.


Do you not realize any Presidents control over the economy is WAY WAY overstated. Ask an economist.

I am not going to play partisan and blame the recession on Clinton. For Dems to blame it on Bush is ludicrous. Economies go up and down regardless of who is in office.

FTG,

of course I realize that the economy has started to slow down towards the end of Clinton's presidency. No news there, it always does before a presidential election.

As for the economy being on its way to recover, I can't really see that. As long as there are plant closings and budget cuts in the area I live in I wouldn't say the economy is recovering.
Maybe I fail to see the big (US wide) picture. I can only tell from first hand experience and right now it doesn't look too good down here.

About the president not being responsible for the economy let me ask you a question.
Your country goes to war (I'm not even gonna say if it was the right thing to do or not) and as a result of that the gas prices go way up. As a result of the gas prices being jacked up everything from croceries to clothing gets more expensive because the carriers (trucks) need to pay the increased prices at the pump.

The result of higher prices is that the working man has less money in his pocket and is struggeling to make ends meet.
As a result of that the economy slows down.
The old clunker will have to do for another two years and the new couch is not really necessary right now.

You see what I'm saying? On this simple, logical example you can see that in this case the presidents decision to go to war did have a devastating and direct effect on our economy.

Now he wants the troops to stay down there. That's actually a decision that I agree with, simply because if you'd move out now you'll be back in two years and the whole thing starts all over again.
But what do you think will the effects of that be for the economy?
It will slow down its recovery (if at all existing) even more because being down there in Iraq will cost Billions of $.

I don't think that Bush will be reellected next year simply because after three years of wars and people being unemployed as a direct result of that I think the people will choose whoever they think can get this economy back on track and as far as I can see it, that won't be Bush.

JMO

[Sabre Ally]

Originally posted by kgun12
[B]

1. Lets say you woke up the day the story broke about Monica. ALL the facts came out, about the oral sex the cigar and well all the facts. Instead of Monica the name was your daughters, nieces or any other female relative of yours. What would you think of Bill Clinton then?


It takes two to tango. Monica is an adult, you cannot simply blame Clinton alone for what happened. Anyway, how many guys on this site would not have done the same thing if they had been in Clinton's position? I'd rather have a guy in charge that's having a little fun on the side than someone who is busy pissing off the entire rest of the world (which he started doing as soon as he was "elected", long before the so-called "war on terrorism") and ignoring domestic problems completely (unless you count tax cuts for the rich).

Damn! STupid Marlins just scored another run. :madcurse: I should not have gotten up from my nap, I should have just stayed in bed.

[Topdog]

Slick Willie was an *******, anyone that thinks he was watching out for the American people got their head up thier rear end. If he woud have been paying attention, over 3000 people would still be alive.
Try to remember the CIA tried to give OBL to him on a silver plate more than once. He ignored it!!

Both Clintons are nothing but two self centered pieces os *****They always were and always will be.

Personelly I could care less what he does under the desk, but I do care about this country! HE's a lying,cheating has been and Democrat to boot!!

[ticatfan]

It was reported today that clinton told bush that binladen was a big threat to the USA and then bush says iraq and saddam were the threat.

[Historian]

Originally posted by Topdog
Slick Willie was an *******, anyone that thinks he was watching out for the American people got their head up thier rear end. If he woud have been paying attention, over 3000 people would still be alive.
Try to remember the CIA tried to give OBL to him on a silver plate more than once. He ignored it!!



This would be possibly the funniest thing I have ever read on these boards...if it weren't so damn dangerous. And so far from the truth.

First of all, if you want to blame an ex-president, at least blame the correct one(s). It was Ronald Reagan and George Bush who actually armed Afghanistan in their struggle against those "Godless Commies". (Who invaded them in 1979) When the Berlin wall fell with communism, Bush Sr. did absolutely nothing, completely ignoring this new breeding ground for anti-US terrorist training cells.

Then, 38 days into Bill Clinton's Presidency, the World Trade Center is attacked. So what does Bill Clinton do?

1. Captures and convictes four of the conspiritors. (They're still in jail if anyone wants to visit them)

2. Thwarted plans to:
A. Blow up TWELVE US passenger jets simutaneously.
B. Assasinate the Pope.
C. Bomb the UN.
D. Bomb the FBI building.
E. Bomb the Israli Embassy in Washington.
F. Bomb LAX and Logan Airports.
G. Blow up the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels.
H. Take down the GW bridge.

3. DOUBLED counter-terrorism funding, and TRIPLED the FBI's budget.

4. Began attacking Al Queda cells.

5. Created a stockpile of drugs and vaccines for bio terror.

6. Signed a Presidential directive authorizing the ASSASINATION of Bin Laden!

7. Set up a systematic changeover plan for when his sucessor took over the office.

And all this without the support of a partisan, Republican controlled Congress, who felt he was wasting "their" money.

Then, during the change of Administrations, Cheney, Rice, et al. were all briefed as to the seriousness of the threat. Only Condi Rice even believed in it. Everyone else felt the Clinton team was "obsessed" with terrorism, and went on to thir own pet projects, like missle defense, etc...etc... Go figure.

Sorry, You're wrong.

Try to refrain from believing the partisan drivel that gets spewed on the Fox news channel...for your own protection, and that of your family.

[ticatfan]

That shut everybody up.lol

[Erik vonDarkmoor]

#1 It wasn't my daughter, I don't have any daughters, only sons. So I don't know if I'm qualified to answer. But if I am, I guess it would be her problem. Doesn't seem to have hurt Monica any.

#2 Seriously, it would depend on how strong the relationship was or if the relationship could be repaired. The bottom line wouldn't depend on how other persons felt or what they believed, it would only depend on what the two individuals most effected feel. I would hope my marriage was strong enough to overcome a moment of weakness.

As for the last part, the President is an elected official, not a public servant employee. Both have their own set of rules to fire someone. The fact of the matter is that the rules are different for both.

[Stewie]

Originally posted by German

(look at how the state of the economy was when he was president) or somebody that gets his countrymen killed on a daily basis

For me that's a no-brainer. Billy Boy anyday!!!

That post is a joke, right?

Larry Ellison, Bill Gates, Andy Grove, Linus Torvalds, Marc Andreesen and their peers had everythign to do with the economy busting in the 90's and Clinton rode the coattails. See, that greate economy was fake. It was financed by the blind who were just trying to ride the gravy train. When the semiconductor/electronic/computer/software/internet bubble burst the economy fell while Clinton was still in office, remember? Think he had any control over that? Nope, just like he didn't have any control over creating it in the first place.

As for 'letting' a couple soldiers die every day. Bush isn't 'letting' soldiers die, he put them in a position to remove a dictator and warlords and terrorists are killing them. Clinton 'let' terrorists get away with bombing our embassies and our warships. He 'let' people die so the emboldened terrorists had one less reason to fear while carrying out their f'ed up missions.

[BillsNick]

Good god. Just goes to show ya, if ya got personality, you can suck at being a president, and people will think you're great! Heck, those same people would even elect your friggin idiot wife to senate, in a state where she doesn't belong. Only in America.

[Historian]

Originally posted by paulB


When the semiconductor/electronic/computer/software/internet bubble burst the economy fell while Clinton was still in office, remember? Think he had any control over that? Nope, just like he didn't have any control over creating it in the first place.



Actually, when the right wingers gained controll congress, after the mid term elections in 1998, they undid much of the 1993 Economic Recovery Act. Clinton was powerless to do anything about it, because:

1. His second four years was almost up, and...

2. He was being impeached for a bl*w j*b.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Billsology


Actually, when the right wingers gained controll congress, after the mid term elections in 1998, they undid much of the 1993 Economic Recovery Act. Clinton was powerless to do anything about it, because:

1. His second four years was almost up, and...

2. He was being impeached for a bl*w j*b.


1.Actually the " right wingers" gained control of congress in 1994. Thank God they were there or Clinton would have spent like hell.

2. He was not being impeached for a blow J*b. Theres a little thing called pergury.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by German


FTG,

of course I realize that the economy has started to slow down towards the end of Clinton's presidency. No news there, it always does before a presidential election.








German,

I don't know how old you are so you may have participated in more elections than me but that statement is not true in 2 of the 3 presidential elections I have participated in.

In 92 the economy had actually started turning up early that year. It was just to late to help Bush 1.

Also did not slow down in 96.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by ticatfan
It was reported today that clinton told bush that binladen was a big threat to the USA and then bush says iraq and saddam were the threat.



Oh Really? If Clinton said that I wonder why the heck he did not take the Sudan gov up on thier offer when they offered UBL to him not once but twice!

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Billsology


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Then, 38 days into Bill Clinton's Presidency, the World Trade Center is attacked. So what does Bill Clinton do?



6. Signed a Presidential directive authorizing the ASSASINATION of Bin Laden!

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I would like to know where you got that information. If it ever happened it sure as hell would not be public information. It is illegal for US presidents to authorize assasinations.



Then, during the change of Administrations, Cheney, Rice, et al. were all briefed as to the seriousness of the threat. Only Condi Rice even believed in it. Everyone else felt the Clinton team was "obsessed" with terrorism, and went on to thir own pet projects, like missle defense, etc...etc... Go figure.


As I just said in the last post...................if UBL was so important to Clinton why the hell did he turn down Sudans offer to turn him over. That is a FACT! No one denys that!

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Billsology
This would be possibly the funniest thing I have ever read on these boards...if it weren't so damn dangerous. And so far from the truth.

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UBL was offered to Clinton. If you say thats not true you are just ignoring the truth.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by ticatfan
That shut everybody up.lol


Sometimes people don't feel like arguing with ignorance

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Sabre Ally
and ignoring domestic problems completely (unless you count tax cuts for the rich).

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Only the rich got tax cuts? I better send that check I recieved back because I sure as heck ain't rich. They must have sent it to me by accident.

[Stewie]

Originally posted by Billsology


Actually, when the right wingers gained controll congress, after the mid term elections in 1998, they undid much of the 1993 Economic Recovery Act. Clinton was powerless to do anything about it, because:

1. His second four years was almost up, and...

2. He was being impeached for a bl*w j*b.

So, what you're saying is the economy didn't crash because of imaginary profits and fraud, but rather because of 'undoing' a 5 year old spending plan? I doubt it.

Even if that was true, Clinton still had 2 years to fix it and no re-election to worry about.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
I would like to know where you got that information. If it ever happened it sure as hell would not be public information. It is illegal for US presidents to authorize assasinations.

Not sure if this is correct- I beleive it is against the law for our government (CIA, Prez, Congress- whomever) to participate in active assasination of other nation's governmrnt leaders- it was a fallout from the attempts on Castro in the 1960's. Bin Laden isn't a government leader.

If the person is a military target- he's fair game. (Saddam)

[Typ0]

it's wrong. we recinded that.

[ublinkwescore]

Heres some of the main reasons I like Bush.

First of all, his tax break is now letting me take home an extra $100 a month and as soon as there is a vacancy in some apartments in town, I'm going to go put my deposit in. Thanks Bush - 23 years old is too old to be living at home.

2nd. Gas Prices are not sky high any more. No one pays more for their gas then the state of California which is ran predominantly by tree hugging hippies who would have every one ride bicycles to work. Hmmm, I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that our troops in alliance with Iraqis have secured Iraqi Oil refineries, fields, as well as powerplants, banks, and museums? (Yet Bush is an evil incompetent man)

3. During Gray Davis's little joke of a tenure as California Governor, Cali had a serious problem with rolling blackouts, and utilities bills went through the roof. Many Californians paid for their electricity - and that money went into the pockets of a handful of Texas powerplant corporations - what Does Bush do (that Gay Davis still to this day gets credit for - by those that have lost touch with reality aka libs) he passes a bill that gives states in desperate need of power, money to build more powerplants (and creates thousands of jobs in Cali as a result). Thanks again Bush. You've got my vote when you run again - as long as Bill O'Reilly doesn't run - even then you've probably still got my vote.

[ublinkwescore]

I don't think Assassination is wrong. I think we should take out China's prime minister, as well as Irans and N. Korea's.

[Historian]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green


I would like to know where you got that information. If it ever happened it sure as hell would not be public information. It is illegal for US presidents to authorize assasinations.



Al Franken's book, "Lies", page 111. The rules prohibit a sanction against a foreign head of state, not individual combattants, or whatever you want to call them.

The Sudanese "offer" you keep referring was from a guy named Mansoor Ijaz, a self promoting Pakastani American, who was a private citizen. When the US inquired about this "offer" to the Sudanese government, they flatly denied that there was any "offer".

This clown now serves as a Fox news analyst. This "story" was originally broken by fellow Fox news cohort, Sean Hannity.

...but theres no right wing agenda...right?

And as for that WHOPPING $600 tax refund, keep it in perspective...WYS spends 492 dollars Each GAME for his season tickets. Give me a break.