How much credit should the receivers get for yesterday's performance?

[OpIv37]

In the absence of Moulds, both Reed and Shaw came through when it counted. But there was one other key factor- a dominant running game. It forced the defense to crowd the line and allowed the receivers to get open in one-on-one coverage.

Not to take away from the receivers but it begs the question- if we had been able to run the ball like that all season, would Reed Shaw, and Moulds have more impressive numbers?

[helmetguy]

Balnce, Balance, balance.

Amazing what ya can do if ya can run the ball too, huh?

[Cntrygal]

The run sets up the pass..... can we record that and slip it into KG's house, office, car, and anywhere else he may spend more than 30 seconds?

[Jan Reimers]

Reed was finally the receiver we all thought he would be this year. I can't wait to get Moulds back - he and Josh will be some combination.

[gochiefs]

Reed is REALLY slow...i don't know why the Bills thought he could be a starter.

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by gochiefs
Reed is REALLY slow...i don't know why the Bills thought he could be a starter.

Moulds is such a deep threat I guess they thought he'd be a good possession guy. Speed hasn't been his big problem this year- prior to the Redskins game, he was dropping more balls than he caught. It was definitely a factor in the losses to Philly and Miami.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by gochiefs
Reed is REALLY slow...i don't know why the Bills thought he could be a starter.

Yeah I know it is different in the NFL but there are fast players in college who sure couldn't stop Josh Reed from becoming the best college redeiver that year now could they?:shutit:

[gochiefs]

Uh, the college level is MUCH slower than the NFL level. That's why Reed isn't an all-pro at this level.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by gochiefs
Uh, the college level is MUCH slower than the NFL level. That's why Reed isn't an all-pro at this level.

Hey slick he's in the 2nd year in the NFL. :ko:

[gochiefs]

Originally posted by The Spaz


Hey slick he's in the 2nd year in the NFL. :ko:

Doesn't change the fact he's sloooooow.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by gochiefs


Doesn't change the fact he's sloooooow.

He can't be that slow he runs a 4.5 or 4.6. If he were that slow why was he able to get over 100 yards receiving against Champ Bailey?:whip: :shakeno:

[gochiefs]

Because the Redskins suck, newsflash. And Bailey is an overrated "name," like Charles Woodson, another overrated CB.

Oh...4.5 and 4.6? SLOW FOR A WR! HELLOOOO?

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by gochiefs
Because the Redskins suck, newsflash. And Bailey is an overrated "name," like Charles Woodson, another overrated CB.

Oh...4.5 and 4.6? SLOW FOR A WR! HELLOOOO?

Hey he's able to still get open amazing!:homer:

[Billzz]

There's a hell of difference between Running the Ball and RUNNING THE BALL EFFECTIVELY!!!!!!!!!

[gochiefs]

He's still not a threat or a gamebreaker...no one is scared of him. When you guys let Price go you chopped the nuts off that offense...with Price you were scary....now, not so scary.

[Billzz]

We don't need a game breaker, that's Moulds job. The long ball days hopefully have been curtailed with the our success in the skins game throwing high percentage passes shorter then 20 yards. Nothing wrong with stretching the field with Moulds when you get 1 on 1 coverage when T-Hen is having success running the ball.

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by gochiefs


Oh...4.5 and 4.6? SLOW FOR A WR! HELLOOOO?

You're right. That Jerry Rice guy will never make it either, with his 4.5-4.6 speed. You should really try to learn something about football before blathering all over this site.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers


You're right. That Jerry Rice guy will never make it either, with his 4.5-4.6 speed. You should really try to learn something about football before blathering all over this site.


:doh: :cheers:

[gochiefs]

NOW we're comparing Reed to Jerry Rice?

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by gochiefs
NOW we're comparing Reed to Jerry Rice?

No, I'm comparing your football knowledge to a stump.

[gochiefs]

What's your basis for this? I know Jerry Rice didn't run great 40 times, that has nothing to do with this thread. We're talking about Reed and his lack of speed and gamebreaking ability, therefore not scaring Chiefs fans. Not a single person on this BB would take Reed over Price...you guys should have held onto him.

[BillsNick]

Your posts, remind of a big pile of CRAP. No matter how many times you see one, they still stink. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. :bigwave:

[HenryRules]

Why would someone compare Reed to Rice?

Yes, Rice was slow, however he made up for it by:
- being the best route-runner ever in the NFL
- having some of the surest hands ever in the NFL
- being one of the best YAC receivers in the NFL.

So far Reed has shown:
- above average, but definitely not significantly above average route-running
- some of the worst hands in the NFL
- above average YAC yards

Quite below Rice on all accounts.

Also, Reed's second-year struggles really concern me. Unlike Price or Moulds, Reed doesn't have outstanding pure-athletic ability (great speed or size). Reed's strength coming into the league was supposed to be his route-running and hands. For both Price and Moulds (and most young receivers), these are the areas they improved upon and got better at. Reed doesn't seem to have progressed at all in these areas - and size and speed are pretty much god-given at this level/time, so I don't expect improvements there.

[Shiny Chicken]

Andre Reed was slow too... so what's your point, gochiefs?

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by Shiny Chicken
Andre Reed was slow too... so what's your point, gochiefs?

:hi5: Nice point :up:

[gochiefs]

My point is Reed has no business being a starter in the NFL. If you guys had Price out there you'd be a much more fearsome offense.

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by gochiefs
My point is Reed has no business being a starter in the NFL. If you guys had Price out there you'd be a much more fearsome offense.

Those two sentences have nothing to do with each other. Just because he's not a vertical threat, he isn't good enough to start?

[gochiefs]

No, but when you combine his slowness with below average route running and hands, you get someone who shouldn't be starting.

[HenryRules]

Quit comparing Josh Reed to all these other great receivers ... they could catch the ball. If you can't catch the ball, you better be able to have speed to stretch the defense, otherwise you're going to be like Josh Reed this year ... where you have one good game every 4 or 5 because the other D doesn't respect your ability.

At least if you have speed and can't catch, then you can stretch the D because they can't leave you wide open 30 yards down field.

Josh Reed has been more of a hindrance than a help to the offense this season (last game aside).

anyone who can't see that hasn't been watching too many Bills games.

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by gochiefs
No, but when you combine his slowness with below average route running and hands, you get someone who shouldn't be starting.

Before this season, he never had a problem with his hands and hopefully the drops are a thing of the past after what he did on Sunday.

[HenryRules]

Reed's problems go back to about game 4 or 5 last year ... he really hasn't produced that much at all in Buffalo aside from 4 or 5 games in his career.

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by gochiefs
Not a single person on this BB would take Reed over Price...you guys should have held onto him.

Now , now , now. Talking football is one thing, Chiefs fan. Telling us what the bills should've done is another. He wanted a no.1 wr salary. No one in their right mind would've done that especially w/ Moulds already in the team.

Price isn't doing squat w/ the Falcons and he still won't be an elite wr when Vick comes back. Decent but not elite.

[Jeff1220]

If I remember correctly, before last year's breakout, P.Price's good games were few and far between as well. Reed has pi$$ed me off a lot this season, but he'll come along.

[HenryRules]

Peerless Price was never a key receiver on a team with contending aspirations though ... this year Reed is.