Bwuhahahahaaaaaa!!!!

[WG]

:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:

Fire Gilbride!
Fire Williams!
Fire LeBeau! (Obviously Donahoe's assessments of talent SUCK!)
Posey GONE!
Adams GONE!
Get some freakin' DL help!

BLEDSOE G-O-N-E!!!

In fact, if they don't find a fix for Drew next year I'm gonna strongly consider not renewing my seasons!

Where's Dman!

Where's all the enthusiasm now...

ROFLMFBO!!!

This is so sorry it's become laughable!!!

Oh yeah, and Milloy apparently is overpaid too!

AHHHHHAHAHAHA....

WE SUCK!!!

[WG]

Ironically the OL isn't playing too poorly tonight.

[Bufftp]

I won't be calling you to rub in it Wys. :shakeno:

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Bufftp
I won't be calling you to rub in it Wys. :shakeno:


:sadwalk:

[Nighthawk]

These guys are soooo poorly coached, it's ridiculous!

[ryjam282]

I was waiting for a Wys post. You are right, I am starting to see the light about Bledsoe. Gilbride is down-right putrid. Someone please snipe the guy on the sideline. I really think he knows he will be fired so is just playing games and trying to do the complete opposite of what he should do, for the heck of it. Oh wait, he always does that. HE SUCKS!!!, I HATE HIM

Ryan

[BADTHINGSMAN]

I agree with you there Wys, Bledsoe seems to be color blind.. OL playing fairly well in the passing game but its been Bledsoe that keeps making mistakes over and over..

[WG]

Originally posted by Bufftp
I won't be calling you to rub in it Wys. :shakeno:

No you won't...!!

BWUHAHAHAHA....

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Wys Guy
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:

Fire Gilbride!
Fire Williams!
Fire LeBeau! (Obviously Donahoe's assessments of talent SUCK!)
Posey GONE!
Adams GONE!
Get some freakin' DL help!

BLEDSOE G-O-N-E!!!

In fact, if they don't find a fix for Drew next year I'm gonna strongly consider not renewing my seasons!

Where's Dman!

Where's all the enthusiasm now...

ROFLMFBO!!!

This is so sorry it's become laughable!!!

Oh yeah, and Milloy apparently is overpaid too!

AHHHHHAHAHAHA....

WE SUCK!!!


Well said Mark. While we're at it can we please stop referring to Tom Donahoe as a genius. A few of his "genius" decisions....................

Adams............bust
Posey..........Bust
Bledsoe.........bust
Hiring williams......bust
Malloy.........I wish the skins had got him.

[Historian]

This game is a classic!

[Historian]

Hey...at least the Sabres are winning in Colorado!!!

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Billsology
This game is a classic!

Why couldn't this happen last week to get Williams and Gilbride fired??!?!? :mad: :madcurse:

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Billsology
Hey...at least the Sabres are winning in Colorado!!!


I never thought I'd turn from a Bills game to watch the sabres but thats what I've done. I found myself using the word hate to much :chuckle:

[Dman]

I'm right here Wys...laughing at this pathetic excuse of a team along with you......I'm not going anywhere except maybe to bed...yes, while I may have been enthusiastic about this game this week...it is becoming evermore evident that this whole outfit from the owner "black truck" Wilson, the GM/VP Leslie Neilson lookalike (actalike), the head in his ass (packages) coach all the way to the gatoraid addicted ballboy..have been, are and always will be a joke...this franchise is a joke (shall I mention the Sabres)..

The worse thing about this game is that we have to listen to 2 weeks of lame excuses while nothing is done to correct anything and no changes are made..

Each sport needs to have it's stray dog to kick around...The Cubs..The Red Sox...the Wizards.
It appears that the grand metropolis of Buffalo has two...The Bills and the Sabres..

This team will never win a championship..while it resides in Buffalo.

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by Mike32282
Why couldn't this happen last week to get Williams and Gilbride fired??!?!? :mad: :madcurse:

Didn't I tell you that last week??

[Dman]

Originally posted by Mike32282


Why couldn't this happen last week to get Williams and Gilbride fired??!?!? :mad: :madcurse:

Why do you think anyone will be fired????

This is Buffalo...nothing good ever happens here...maybe after they decide what kind and where to put a new border bridge or a new casino...then maybe ..oh..never mind

[Expansion Blues]

My condolences. I know how it goes. I didn't think Williams would do too well without Jeff Fisher watching over him.

The axe must fall. It's about that time.

[Brian Griese Rulz]

Originally posted by Wys Guy
:

In fact, if they don't find a fix for Drew next year I'm gonna strongly consider not renewing my seasons!
Where's all the enthusiasm now...

ROFLMFBO!!!

This is so sorry it's become laughable!!!

WE SUCK!!!

We don't need fans like you anyways. You have never said anything good about anyone who's played for the Bills besides Rob Johnson.

Yeah, this game is real laughable.

[helmetguy]

We may as well bench AVP too, Wys. Is it all the players, or is this wonderful coaching staff at least partly to blame. Save your stats. This is just pathetic coaching, pure and simple.

[Schobel94]

I find it disgusting that you take so much pleasure in this, and fyi, the OL has played one of its worst games this season.

[The Spaz]

Now starting at Quarterback with 2 weeks practice Randy Fasani....LMAO!!!!:lol:

[Drewpac]

I called it 34-10 because I thought we'd score the garbage TD. I don't ever want to hear anyone defend Bledsoe ever again. He sucks so bad there aren't even words for how bad he is. I'd rather have Henry play QB and run a sneak every play than watch Bledsoe throw another ball in a Bills uniform.

[XNOUGHT]

Some of the things you "bills fans" say makes me sick.

YOUR 4-4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ARE STILL IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU STILL PLAY THE JETS, MIAMI, AND PATS!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY!!!!!!!!!!!

NEVER FORGET THAT!!!!!

When my Pats are down, I always stand behind them because I know, in the end, they will come out on top. That they will cash the check.

And you guys should stand behind the Bills too. Because if you stand behind them, and you really believe, things will work out in the end.

And if that constitutes firing Greg Williams, then so be it.

[Novacane]

Please Xnought..........................you can say that because you have a good coach. If you had the bafoon we have you would not have any hope either. Until Greg is gone we will not win. Thats not being a fair weather fans saying that!

[Drewpac]

No, believe me, we are REAL "BILLS FANS" and it makes us sick to see our team being run by imbiciles and being led by players with no heart. I liked our 3-13 team alot better than the team we have this year. It just doesn't even feel like I'm watching the Bills anymore.

[LMB]

Originally posted by Wys Guy
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:

Fire Gilbride!
Fire Williams!
Fire LeBeau! (Obviously Donahoe's assessments of talent SUCK!)
Posey GONE!
Adams GONE!
Get some freakin' DL help!

BLEDSOE G-O-N-E!!!

In fact, if they don't find a fix for Drew next year I'm gonna strongly consider not renewing my seasons!

Where's Dman!

Where's all the enthusiasm now...

ROFLMFBO!!!

This is so sorry it's become laughable!!!

Oh yeah, and Milloy apparently is overpaid too!

AHHHHHAHAHAHA....

WE SUCK!!!


Greg Williams is like the *****ing rob johnson of coaches. He has all the tools but will never know how to use them. I say fire and possibly convict him of impersonating an NFL coach.

[XNOUGHT]

Originally posted by Drewpac
No, believe me, we are REAL "BILLS FANS" and it makes us sick to see our team being run by imbiciles and being led by players with no heart. I liked our 3-13 team alot better than the team we have this year. It just doesn't even feel like I'm watching the Bills anymore.

:gag:


Well.........

There should be some good coaches out there that can help the team, but I will be surprised if there are any quick fixes.

[BAM]

Originally posted by XNOUGHT
Some of the things you "bills fans" say makes me sick.

YOUR 4-4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ARE STILL IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU STILL PLAY THE JETS, MIAMI, AND PATS!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY!!!!!!!!!!!

NEVER FORGET THAT!!!!!

When my Pats are down, I always stand behind them because I know, in the end, they will come out on top. That they will cash the check.

And you guys should stand behind the Bills too. Because if you

stand behind them, and you really believe, things will work out in the end.

And if that constitutes firing Greg Williams, then so be it.

Good post X. I agree with you, there is an extremely large amount of fairweather Bills fans around. I will always stand behind my team till the end. Talking about never watching another Bills game, etc.. is just ridiculous, regardless of who is coaching, playing, etc... Although I do not like our current coaching staff, I will stick w/ my Bills till the end of this season, and all of them after.

:gobills:

[Judge]

Originally posted by Wys Guy
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:

Fire Gilbride!
Fire Williams!
Fire LeBeau! (Obviously Donahoe's assessments of talent SUCK!)
Posey GONE!
Adams GONE!
Get some freakin' DL help!

BLEDSOE G-O-N-E!!!

In fact, if they don't find a fix for Drew next year I'm gonna strongly consider not renewing my seasons!

Where's Dman!

Where's all the enthusiasm now...

ROFLMFBO!!!

This is so sorry it's become laughable!!!

Oh yeah, and Milloy apparently is overpaid too!

AHHHHHAHAHAHA....

WE SUCK!!!

Why are you so happy about the Bills' losing, Wys? Bizarre.

[Ebenezer]

Tom Coughlin

[Judge]

Originally posted by Schobel94
I find it disgusting that you take so much pleasure in this, and fyi, the OL has played one of its worst games this season.

So do I. Totally disgusting.

[BAM]

It's times like these that you find out who the real fans are.

Anyone that laughs or finds pleasure in a Bills loss, regardless of what is going on w/ players or coaching, is not a fan in IMO.

[Judge]

Originally posted by BradAlanMiller
It's times like these that you find out who the real fans are.

Anyone that laughs or finds pleasure in a Bills loss, regardless of what is going on w/ players or coaching, is not a fan in IMO.

WELL SAID Brad. I agree 100%.

[CHIEF4EVER]

Originally posted by BradAlanMiller


Good post X. I agree with you, there is an extremely large amount of fairweather Bills fans around. I will always stand behind my team till the end. Talking about never watching another Bills game, etc.. is just ridiculous, regardless of who is coaching, playing, etc... Although I do not like our current coaching staff, I will stick w/ my Bills till the end of this season, and all of them after.

:gobills:
GREAT post man. I have backed my team since 1970 and I finally have a team worth cheering. Keep the faith, your team WILL pick it up soon.

[BAM]

Yep. I honestly don't give a ***** though, I am a Bills fan and will always be. What anyone else does or says makes no difference to me. It just makes me laugh sometimes...

:beers:

[helmetguy]

I think he's laughing because a game like this "proves" his case against Bledsoe. In truth, with the "Tennessee Triumvirate" at the helm of this football team, John Unitas couldn't succeed. Vermeil and his staff never let down, didn't panic when the punt was blocked, and seemed to know what the Bills were going to do before Williams et al did. As I've said all along, with the current players, if they win, it is in spite of GW, not because of him; but they CAN lose because of him!

[venis2k1]

Its gonna be a long 2 weeks.

[Judge]

Originally posted by helmetguy
I think he's laughing because a game like this "proves" his case against Bledsoe. In truth, with the "Tennessee Triumvirate" at the helm of this football team, John Unitas couldn't succeed. Vermeil and his staff never let down, didn't panic when the punt was blocked, and seemed to know what the Bills were going to do before Williams et al did. As I've said all along, with the current players, if they win, it is in spite of GW, not because of him; but they CAN lose because of him!

GREAT post- fantastic analysis. I agree 100%.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by helmetguy
I think he's laughing because a game like this "proves" his case against Bledsoe. In truth, with the "Tennessee Triumvirate" at the helm of this football team, John Unitas couldn't succeed. Vermeil and his staff never let down, didn't panic when the punt was blocked, and seemed to know what the Bills were going to do before Williams et al did. As I've said all along, with the current players, if they win, it is in spite of GW, not because of him; but they CAN lose because of him!

I'm glad we have level headed intelligence. Otherwise, this becomes finheaven.

[MDFINFAN]

Originally posted by Dozerdog


I'm glad we have level headed intelligence. Otherwise, this becomes finheaven.

Don't even try it, finheaven has it's moment, but there's lot of level headed people over there, but we have the same type of people you have here when something goes wrong..
Wys is definetly laughing at the I told you so, Drew thing. Drew definetly didn't have a good game, but the running game was not used enough in the first half to slow down the chief O. especially when you guys were down by the goal line, TH was running strong..Drew did miss a wide open reciver, I can't blame the call. But Drew was worst than Jay tonight and I never throught I'd say that.

[Ingtar33]

No bills fan should ever be happy about a loss... some of the gloating and laughing im seeing in this thread is sickening.


Some points:
-The O-line was adequate
-the coaching... O, D, and you'd have to think head coaching on this team is terrible.

I will be perfectly frank about this.

We have

4 time Probowl QB Drew Bledsoe, a QB who will likely come close to challenging most if not all of Dan Marino's passing records.

A ProBowl Running back, and 1000 yard rusher in Travis Henry

A Probowl Fullback

A 3 time Probowl WR, in Eric Moulds

2 nfl capable WRs in Shaw and Reed

An O-line, that at the worse is a middle of the pack talent line...

A D-line which includes an 8-10 sack capable DE, a DT who should be a probowler, and one who has been.

A LB corps which is easily one of the fastest in the league, it i also one of the more talented.

DBs which include 2 no.1 picks at corner, a 4 time PB Strong Safety, and a competent FS.

Our special teams lack only a punt return game, as our punter is very good, and our FG kicker quite capable.

Ask yourself, is this a team that should not make the playoffs? No. This is a team which has the talent to be a top 10 offense, and top 10 defense. I would be willing to argue our defense is more talented now than it was when Cottrell was coaching us to 1st and 3rd overall rankings.

What needs to go/be changed.

HC: I’m tired of the half-assed coaching, the strange challenges, the mental mistakes, and the general sloppiness of the team. I’m tired of the strange play calls (fake punts, punting on the 30, and on and on). It is coaching like this that makes you wish for a coach like Wade Phillips back. At least he didn't make an ass out of himself on a weekly basis. Truthfully I still wish Marv were our coach... the old SOB was a great football coach. Were we ever a seriously penalized team under him? Did we ever punt from the 30? How about a fake punt from your own 40 while up by 14?

OC: I've long been a reluctant defender of Kevin Gilbride, despite the fact the man coaches football from a completely different mindset than i was taught to play. Kevin coaches an advanced offensive system. He is brilliant. But much like a guy like Mike Martz, he is way to cute for his own good. He violates all the rules of good offensive coaching, his play call selection is both predictable and painful to watch. With the talent in our lineup we should be able to move the ball better than we do.

DC: I've never been a fan of the 46. Now that we barely play it any longer im even a less fan of what we are doing. I wish our D coaching staff would make up their mind and pick a D strategy and stick with it. Are we a 46? A 4-3? Are we a 3-4? I know what im seeing looks remarkably similar to a 3-4/4-3 hybrid the Pats used to win the super bowl a few years ago... only problem is were not playing it very well. The current defense looks like two separate defensive coordinators brought their playbooks to the bills and taught the team to play them both. Lebeau’s influence seems to be applying the 3-4 principles to our defense… and grey/Williams seems to be forcing 8 man fronts and 4-3 alignments… it looks like too many chefs in the kitchen. We have the LB crew to make almost any system work... I wish they'd chose one and stick to it. Right now we run the 46 on maybe 10% of our defensive snaps. Why bother getting the personnel for the 46 if we are not going to play it? We had crap personnel the last two years, and a base 4-3 probably would have helped our defense out immensely... but now that we've got the horses, the coaching staff seems determined to take the players out of position to make it work. Why not play a basic 4-3 cover two?

[lordofgun]

Sorry, Ing, but sometimes you have to laugh to keep your sanity.

I found tonight's game quite comical. I can either laugh or get frustrated. I can't do anything about it, so I choose to laugh at them. Most of the players deserve to be laughed at and ridiculed for the way they played tonight.

So we have a 4-time pro-bowl this and a 7-time pro-bowl that. Big freaking whoop. They sucked tonight. I laugh in their faces. :mad:

[lordofgun]

BTW, just because I laugh, it does NOT mean that I'm happy. Quite the contrary. :D

[BillsOverDolphins]

Originally posted by lordofgun
Sorry, Ing, but sometimes you have to laugh to keep your sanity.

I found tonight's game quite comical. I can either laugh or get frustrated. I can't do anything about it, so I choose to laugh at them. Most of the players deserve to be laughed at and ridiculed for the way they played tonight.

So we have a 4-time pro-bowl this and a 7-time pro-bowl that. Big freaking whoop. They sucked tonight. I laugh in their faces. :mad:
so true...Im laughing right now, just humoring myself so I don't jump off a cliff...I'm also inquiring about the services of a low rate hitman, to take out GW and KG...

[WG]

How can you possibly laugh at the Bills LOG!!

Shame on you!

:biggrin:


Originally posted by Dman
This team will never win a championship..while it resides in Buffalo.
I'm not sure I'd go that far! A real coach(es), a decent QB, and an O and D line and we'll be fine! Question is what other BS is Donahoe gonna try and snow us with this offseason!


Originally posted by XNOUGHT
Some of the things you "bills fans" say makes me sick.

YOUR 4-4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ARE STILL IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU STILL PLAY THE JETS, MIAMI, AND PATS!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY!!!!!!!!!!!

NEVER FORGET THAT!!!!!

When my Pats are down, I always stand behind them because I know, in the end, they will come out on top. That they will cash the check.

And you guys should stand behind the Bills too. Because if you stand behind them, and you really believe, things will work out in the end.

And if that constitutes firing Greg Williams, then so be it.
Bite me!


Originally posted by BradAlanMiller


Good post X. I agree with you, there is an extremely large amount of fairweather Bills fans around. I will always stand behind my team till the end. Talking about never watching another Bills game, etc.. is just ridiculous, regardless of who is coaching, playing, etc... Although I do not like our current coaching staff, I will stick w/ my Bills till the end of this season, and all of them after.

:gobills:
S-T-R-E-T-C-H....Y-A-W-W-W-N!!!


Originally posted by BradAlanMiller
It's times like these that you find out who the real fans are.

Anyone that laughs or finds pleasure in a Bills loss, regardless of what is going on w/ players or coaching, is not a fan in IMO.
Pleasure?

LMAO

Hardly! But it was completely laughable nonetheless. You really don't think that was much of a game do ya?

I wasn't even sure it was possible to play that poorly!

[WG]

I'm actually laughing at all of those who keep displacing the blame away from Drew. If it isn't completely obvious that Drew is the biggest problem on O apart from some interior OL talent, then I'm not sure it will ever be.

Oh, wait a minute, I take that back! It'll be painfully clear to many more after the Indy and Tennessee games after Drew tosses another 5 or 6 INTs!

My bad...

[BillsOverDolphins]

actually...for the first time since he's arrived in Buffalo, I doubt Bledsoe's ability to take us anywhere.

but i do hold out hope because when they incorporate the running game they actually do move the ball well....someone tell Dillhole that its ok to run on 2nd and 3rd down...especially when you gain 4 or 5 on first down

[LtBillsFan66]

uggg.

Enjoy it wys...

I still feel Drew had tools to succeed with the proper game plan.

We failed to establish a running game (like we did last week). That opens up the pass by keeping the d honest.

Drew will never succeed when the d can t off on him.

The D lacks a solid game plan too. I notice that they are aggressive, but are always in a react type mode instead of taking it to the opposing O. It's sickening to watch a team get picked apart at will. The lack of talent at DE doesn't help much.

Drew. Yes he has his limitations, but they can be worked around easily.

[SABURZFAN]

:shakeno:

shouldn't this thread be in the Smack Zone?

[Scott]

I don't feel the blame should fall solely on GW and KG. Although I think at a minimum Gilbride should go.
A number of our new players are worthless, Adams, Posey and to a lesser extent Milloy. Spikes has been the only decent pick up on D.
On offense Williams is in a serious sophomore slump and the rest of the line has not come together either, Teague seems to have regressed.

[doug45]

Originally posted by Wys Guy
I'm actually laughing at all of those who keep displacing the blame away from Drew. If it isn't completely obvious that Drew is the biggest problem on O apart from some interior OL talent, then I'm not sure it will ever be.

Oh, wait a minute, I take that back! It'll be painfully clear to many more after the Indy and Tennessee games after Drew tosses another 5 or 6 INTs!

My bad...


I think it is plain for all to see that Drew is not the answer. He can not get rid of the ball and has cement feet.

And oh ya "FIRE WILLIAMS NOW".

[Novacane]

This is stupid! Some of you accusing others of not being "true Fans" please define for me what a "true fan" is. Just because other people react differantely to a loss than you do it does not make them "fairweather fans" I get so sick and tired of other people judging others "true fandom"

Give me a freaking break!

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by Ingtar33
No bills fan should ever be happy about a loss... some of the gloating and laughing im seeing in this thread is sickening.


What needs to go/be changed.

HC: I’m tired of the half-assed coaching, the strange challenges, the mental mistakes, and the general sloppiness of the team. I’m tired of the strange play calls (fake punts, punting on the 30, and on and on). It is coaching like this that makes you wish for a coach like Wade Phillips back. At least he didn't make an ass out of himself on a weekly basis. Truthfully I still wish Marv were our coach... the old SOB was a great football coach. Were we ever a seriously penalized team under him? Did we ever punt from the 30? How about a fake punt from your own 40 while up by 14?

OC: I've long been a reluctant defender of Kevin Gilbride, despite the fact the man coaches football from a completely different mindset than i was taught to play. Kevin coaches an advanced offensive system. He is brilliant. But much like a guy like Mike Martz, he is way to cute for his own good. He violates all the rules of good offensive coaching, his play call selection is both predictable and painful to watch. With the talent in our lineup we should be able to move the ball better than we do.

DC: I've never been a fan of the 46. Now that we barely play it any longer im even a less fan of what we are doing. I wish our D coaching staff would make up their mind and pick a D strategy and stick with it. Are we a 46? A 4-3? Are we a 3-4? I know what im seeing looks remarkably similar to a 3-4/4-3 hybrid the Pats used to win the super bowl a few years ago... only problem is were not playing it very well. The current defense looks like two separate defensive coordinators brought their playbooks to the bills and taught the team to play them both. Lebeau’s influence seems to be applying the 3-4 principles to our defense… and grey/Williams seems to be forcing 8 man fronts and 4-3 alignments… it looks like too many chefs in the kitchen. We have the LB crew to make almost any system work... I wish they'd chose one and stick to it. Right now we run the 46 on maybe 10% of our defensive snaps. Why bother getting the personnel for the 46 if we are not going to play it? We had crap personnel the last two years, and a base 4-3 probably would have helped our defense out immensely... but now that we've got the horses, the coaching staff seems determined to take the players out of position to make it work. Why not play a basic 4-3 cover two?

HC / OC: When it was 21-2 we had the ball 1st and goal at the 9. 1st down, nice run by Henry to the 2. I'm screaming at the TV to pound it in. Incomplete, incomplete, FG. Even if you pass on 2nd, run the ball on 3rd and go for it on 4th.

DC: The problem going to cover 2 is that our safeties are too slow. Milloy got scorched on the 2nd TD by Hall. I'm with you, they built this team to play 46 yet don't seem to play it much. The blitzes were very ineffective as they never got to Green much.

They are just as *****zophrenic on defense as they are on offense.

[Billsbabee]

Absolutely an awesome post FWG! :up:

I am leaning more toward the coaching, but agree the players are not playing to their potential at all either. I made it to 1/2 way thru the 3rd quarter and then started watching a hockey game. So sad, I had an absolutely beautiful weekend and it ended like this. GRR!!

[BAM]

Originally posted by Ingtar33
No bills fan should ever be happy about a loss... some of the gloating and laughing im seeing in this thread is sickening.


Some points:
-The O-line was adequate
-the coaching... O, D, and you'd have to think head coaching on this team is terrible.

I will be perfectly frank about this.

We have

4 time Probowl QB Drew Bledsoe, a QB who will likely come close to challenging most if not all of Dan Marino's passing records.

A ProBowl Running back, and 1000 yard rusher in Travis Henry

A Probowl Fullback

A 3 time Probowl WR, in Eric Moulds

2 nfl capable WRs in Shaw and Reed

An O-line, that at the worse is a middle of the pack talent line...

A D-line which includes an 8-10 sack capable DE, a DT who should be a probowler, and one who has been.

A LB corps which is easily one of the fastest in the league, it i also one of the more talented.

DBs which include 2 no.1 picks at corner, a 4 time PB Strong Safety, and a competent FS.

Our special teams lack only a punt return game, as our punter is very good, and our FG kicker quite capable.

Ask yourself, is this a team that should not make the playoffs? No. This is a team which has the talent to be a top 10 offense, and top 10 defense. I would be willing to argue our defense is more talented now than it was when Cottrell was coaching us to 1st and 3rd overall rankings.

What needs to go/be changed.

HC: I’m tired of the half-assed coaching, the strange challenges, the mental mistakes, and the general sloppiness of the team. I’m tired of the strange play calls (fake punts, punting on the 30, and on and on). It is coaching like this that makes you wish for a coach like Wade Phillips back. At least he didn't make an ass out of himself on a weekly basis. Truthfully I still wish Marv were our coach... the old SOB was a great football coach. Were we ever a seriously penalized team under him? Did we ever punt from the 30? How about a fake punt from your own 40 while up by 14?

OC: I've long been a reluctant defender of Kevin Gilbride, despite the fact the man coaches football from a completely different mindset than i was taught to play. Kevin coaches an advanced offensive system. He is brilliant. But much like a guy like Mike Martz, he is way to cute for his own good. He violates all the rules of good offensive coaching, his play call selection is both predictable and painful to watch. With the talent in our lineup we should be able to move the ball better than we do.

DC: I've never been a fan of the 46. Now that we barely play it any longer im even a less fan of what we are doing. I wish our D coaching staff would make up their mind and pick a D strategy and stick with it. Are we a 46? A 4-3? Are we a 3-4? I know what im seeing looks remarkably similar to a 3-4/4-3 hybrid the Pats used to win the super bowl a few years ago... only problem is were not playing it very well. The current defense looks like two separate defensive coordinators brought their playbooks to the bills and taught the team to play them both. Lebeau’s influence seems to be applying the 3-4 principles to our defense… and grey/Williams seems to be forcing 8 man fronts and 4-3 alignments… it looks like too many chefs in the kitchen. We have the LB crew to make almost any system work... I wish they'd chose one and stick to it. Right now we run the 46 on maybe 10% of our defensive snaps. Why bother getting the personnel for the 46 if we are not going to play it? We had crap personnel the last two years, and a base 4-3 probably would have helped our defense out immensely... but now that we've got the horses, the coaching staff seems determined to take the players out of position to make it work. Why not play a basic 4-3 cover two?

:up: Very nice. This about sums it up. I have no problem with wanting to change a few things, my problem is with people who take pride or have enjoyment with losing a game like this. :angry: Like I said before, it's ridiculous. You are not a Bills fan in my book. You would definately make an excellent Raiders or Eagles fan though ;)

[BuffaloRanger]

With the right coaching Drew - and any QB can be successful. Is he any worse than Dilfer? Who's calling the friggin pass plays on the 2 yard line - AGAIN? Especially when Henry was tearing it up all game.

Bledsoe is not as bad as Wys says. It's unfortunate that he is so friggin happy to say "I told you so." I can say I told you so about the O-line which is the real root of all the problems, but I won't.

But Bledsoe also isn't as good as he once was. That has become painfully obvious. Weeks ago a good OC (that has had more than one good season - ever) would have recognized this. Drew could easily be a caretaker of the offense and even a little more this year and next.

Next offseason focus on the Oline and Dline. With good Oline protection this offense should be able to put up 24 points a week next season.With a strong pass rush (we have none now) the Bills D should be a lot better all-around.

[CommissarSpartacus]

originally posted Mar/2002

The good shepherd vs the flock....
A shepherd is guiding his flock to pasture when they come to a fork in the trail. One path leads to the meadow and one path leads to the cliff edge. At the end of the cliff path, a rival farmer has staked "Bledsoe", his oldest and most famous ram right on the edge of the precipice, hoping to lure the flock to it's doom.

Sure enough, the flock sees the ram and because sheep are flighty and fickle and have no attention span, they immediately becomes agitated and start to bleat.

"Baaah, baaah, look, there's "Bledsoe", let's go and get him to come and gambol with us!"

"No, my beloved flock" replies the shepherd, "I can't allow you to do that, for that path leads to sorrow and destruction".

But the meadow is still on the other side of the woods, while "Bledsoe" is in plain site, and has his blue ribbons hung around his neck.

"Baaah, baaah" they bleat, "But why can't we go and get "Bledsoe" to come and lead our flock, look at the prizes he's won, all the other sheep say he's the best ram in the county!"

"I'm sorry little lambs" explains the kindly shepherd, " but it would be a very bad idea. First of all, "Bledsoe" does not belong to us and doesn't care about any of you. Plus, although he may have won many prizes, that was years ago, back when he could run and jump. Too many years of butting heads with other rams has left him broken and battered and we can't count on him to make it to the meadow with us on a day to day basis".

But the flock has an idea in it's head and won't let it go.

"Baaah, baaah" they cry with disdain "at least he's better than the pathetic rams we have. We don't want to go to the meadow with "Alex" and "Travis", "Alex" is slow and fat and has wimpy little horns, and "Travis" is barely past being a lamb himself. All the other sheep say he's got no chance of becoming a quality ram. We want a "proven" ram."

The shepherd looks at the faithful and intelligent "Alex" and young "Travis" and says in sorrow, "Surely you remember "Rob", the last ram you all wanted so badly? How you all praised his impressive bearing, his shiny coat and his muscular hooves? What happened with him? He spent his days frolicking in the water, butting his head against trees and boulders and trying to mate with the other rams until we had to give him away, that's what happened to him."

But the flock doesn't care, they only have eyes for "Bledsoe". They start to stamp their tiny hooves and bleat all at the same time.

"Baaah, baaah, why do you keep having to bring us down!"

"Baaah, baaah, we don't care what you say, we want "Bledsoe", not our crummy rams!"

"Baaah, baaah, all the sheep "experts" say he's the way we should go!"

"Baaah, baaah, we don't care if some of us go over the cliff, as long as it's within reason!"

"Baaah, baaah, if we don't get "Bledsoe", the farmer will sell our flock!"

"Baaah, baaah, why are you so obsessed with "Bledsoe", it's like a mental illness or something!"

"Baaah, baaah, you're not the boss of us, you never let us have any fun, we know what we're doing!"

And with that, the flock starts to move toward "Bledsoe" and the cliff edge with increasing speed.

So the question is, does the good shepherd throw up his hands and let the flock have it's way, or does he go and kick a few butts and get them back on the straight and narrow?

It hurts getting your butts kicked, doesn't it?

But I guarantee you, running off the cliff and getting splattered on the rocks below hurts a lot more.

So wys and I have to keep saying it.

"Bledsoe" sucks, "Bledsoe" sucks, "Bledsoe" sucks!

It's for your own good.

[justasportsfan]

You can look at the laughing in this thread in two different ways, an "I told you so" or " we already know the problem of this team and nothing is being done, I'm beyond pissed I just have to laugh"

Th reality is that, this team is like a bully that can only pick on teams that are worse than we are and if the games are played at home. The coaches don't have the ability to "PREPARE" this team on the road and gbig games.

You want good coaching? How about the Chiefs surprising the bills by putting Dante Hall in the wr position and completely blowing the minds of our coaches. That's good coaching.

Look for GW to send a letter to the NFL asking "CAN YOU DO THAT?"

The coaches do not have a clue how to maximize the full potential the talent this team has. Clueless. Gilbride does not know how to run against good teams and GW doesn't have the balls to put Gilbride in his place after all this time. You know why? That's because GW doesn't know how call plays from the offensive side.

When you look around the league, most coaches are involved w/ what goes on when they don't like what they see offensively. GW leaves it all up to KG.

Drew, he has been awsome when he has less responsibilities because the run game works. He sucks under pressure. Not a make it happen, type of qb.


The D was embarrased totally like it never did before. The probowlers on this team were made to look like rookies. That's a coaches responsibily/. They were not put in a situation to do anything at all.

The entire coaching staff needs to be fired. Keep Krumrie. We need a coach that can use what he has. Someone like.........Bellichick.

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by XNOUGHT
Some of the things you "bills fans" say makes me sick.

YOUR 4-4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ARE STILL IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU STILL PLAY THE JETS, MIAMI, AND PATS!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CONTROL YOUR OWN DESTINY!!!!!!!!!!!

NEVER FORGET THAT!!!!!

When my Pats are down, I always stand behind them because I know, in the end, they will come out on top. That they will cash the check.

And you guys should stand behind the Bills too. Because if you stand behind them, and you really believe, things will work out in the end.

And if that constitutes firing Greg Williams, then so be it.

XNOUGHT, w/ all due respect, put a sock in it. We know we are still in it but what we are pissed about is that should we even make the playoffs by some divine intervention, this team isn't going anywhere. We have shown that we cannot win big games. So much excitement and optimism going into the season and yet, this team despite the talent has just been made to look horrible by the coaches.

We still love our team, but it doesn't mean we cannot criticize them in a such a manner. You have a coach that can make back-ups look like probowlers. We have a coach that make our probowlers look like highschool players against good teams.

[WG]

Originally posted by billsfanone
uggg.

Enjoy it wys...

I still feel Drew had tools to succeed with the proper game plan.

We failed to establish a running game (like we did last week). That opens up the pass by keeping the d honest.

Drew will never succeed when the d can t off on him.

The D lacks a solid game plan too. I notice that they are aggressive, but are always in a react type mode instead of taking it to the opposing O. It's sickening to watch a team get picked apart at will. The lack of talent at DE doesn't help much.

Drew. Yes he has his limitations, but they can be worked around easily.

And this is the current problem in Buffalo regarding Drew. He's quite incapable and nothing in his past speaks to the contrary.

His record against teams 10-6 plus SUCKS. Of course, none of it has to do with him. It's the crappy team he's always been handed. Seems he can make it to the probowl just fine on 2000 yards/16 TDs against 5 scrub teams and another 2000/8 TDs in the other 11 games. He's great at leading comebacks agaisnt teams like Cincy where his team should never have fallen behind. His play in the playoffs is abysmal w/ a 5 YPA avg., 5TDs, 12 INTs in full games played. Again, none of it has to do with him tho, it's always Curtis Martin and other cruddy players around him, poor coaching w/ Parcells, and bad D ranked in the top 10. Not Drew tho. No sirree!

:rolleyes:

If some of you guys actually looked beyond the Wednesday morning yardage totals and aggregate TD totals amassed at the hands of teams like Detroit, Cincy, Chicago, etc., then maybe you'd see a great QB v. those types of teams and an equally horrendous one v. the rest of the teams in the league.

Anyone wanna lay some cash, payable to the others favorite charity, that Drew cannot throw more TDs than INTs in all of the remaing games??

I don't care if he throws 1 TD, if he has 0 INTs, you win. Say $100 to $500 bucks to the winner's favorite charity?

Anyone?

Come on you Bledsoe supporters! Where are ya?

I mean after all, if he can't do that, then what's the sense of keeping him around? You all have two weeks to shoot me a PM.

Talk, talk, talk. But when it comes time for those doing the talking to stand behind their talk, they don't. Ing? BFO?

Or is it all that Moulds and Reed suck, Henry blows? What?

Seems to me that Henry's doing OK. Moulds was the man last year. What happened. Couldn't be Drew tho, nahhh...

I'm curious what y'all are gonna say when Drew finishes the season as one of the lowest ranked starting (16 games) QBs in the league with only 12 TDs to 18 INTs or so. Keep layin' down those excuses.

[WG]

Originally posted by justasportsfan


XNOUGHT, w/ all due respect, put a sock in it. We know we are still in it but what we are pissed about is that should we even make the playoffs by some divine intervention, this team isn't going anywhere. We have shown that we cannot win big games. So much excitement and optimism going into the season and yet, this team despite the talent has just been made to look horrible by the coaches.

We still love our team, but it doesn't mean we cannot criticize them in a such a manner. You have a coach that can make back-ups look like probowlers. We have a coach that make our probowlers look like highschool players against good teams.

The disturbing thing just is that next season we're gonna have to go thru all the same stuff again since we have nothing to fix our actual issues. No offensive or defensive linemen to start next year. No QB behind Drew. If Van Pelt is retained he can thank the fans. There's no logical reason that he should even be on the roster next year otherwise.

As I see it, we need at least two interior linemen and that only addresses our starting issue. Brown may need to be replaced soon too. We still need a DE and DT. Williams ain't gettin' any younger. QB? Who? That's 6 or 7 spots where we have nothing. IMO we still need an MLB and an OLB. Many of us here raved about Posey, but where are the numbers? He has 2.5 sacks. He was supposed to be a sack machine. Many of you raved about 8, 9, 10 sacks forthcoming. Where are they? We all know that Posey's next to useless v. the run, so if he's only average against the pass then he's not worth keeping on as a starter IMO.

[justasportsfan]

you said this OL will be top in the league wys :scratch:

[BAM]

good debate going here... I think I may have misunderstood Wys' posts' meaning (the laughing part). I guess I haven't been around long enough to know him well...

Just remember, forums are here to voice opinions, and everyone certainly has their own. that is all. :)

[Patrick76777]

Originally posted by Wys Guy
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:
:lolcry::lolcry::lolcry::lolcry:

Fire Gilbride!
Fire Williams!
Fire LeBeau! (Obviously Donahoe's assessments of talent SUCK!)
Posey GONE!
Adams GONE!
Get some freakin' DL help!

BLEDSOE G-O-N-E!!!

In fact, if they don't find a fix for Drew next year I'm gonna strongly consider not renewing my seasons!

Where's Dman!

Where's all the enthusiasm now...

ROFLMFBO!!!

This is so sorry it's become laughable!!!

Oh yeah, and Milloy apparently is overpaid too!

AHHHHHAHAHAHA....

WE SUCK!!!

Man you are an *******!

[Dozerdog]

OK Patrick- attack the post- not he poster-

While Wys has chosen only to write for the zone, he still gets afforded the same rights and protection all 2500+ posters get-

So please refrain from the personal attacks- thanks

[Patrick76777]

Yeah, but it's true!

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
Man you are an *******!



He was right and you were wrong. That makes him an a-hole?

[Patrick76777]

No FTG! He's an ******* for the first post in this Thread! That my friend was an ******* thing to do!

Esp. after he quit a few weeks ago because some posters were being too rough on him.

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
No FTG! He's an ******* for the first post in this Thread! That my friend was an ******* thing to do!

Esp. after he quit a few weeks ago because some posters were being too rough on him.

Depends on how you read into his post. I too feel the same way and since I'm beyond pissed, frustrated and impatient, the next thing for me is just to laugh. No sense w/ getting pissed w/ something we fans have no control over.

I still support my team even though I think that the coaching staff is a joke and people usually laugh at the goos ones.

[Novacane]

I guess I don't see what was so bad about that post.

I want Williams, Gilbride, and Bledsoe gone too,

Posey and Adams have done nothing aside from openind day. Malloy has not been playing like he is being paid. Our D-line is horrible. I don't know what Wys said there that the majority of the posters don't agree with.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by lordofgun
Sorry, Ing, but sometimes you have to laugh to keep your sanity.

I found tonight's game quite comical. I can either laugh or get frustrated. I can't do anything about it, so I choose to laugh at them. Most of the players deserve to be laughed at and ridiculed for the way they played tonight.

So we have a 4-time pro-bowl this and a 7-time pro-bowl that. Big freaking whoop. They sucked tonight. I laugh in their faces. :mad:

Great post! I know I was laughing my ass off by the 4th quarter. They were so bad, it was laughable! :lol:


Originally posted by BillsOverDolphins
so true...Im laughing right now, just humoring myself so I don't jump off a cliff...I'm also inquiring about the services of a low rate hitman, to take out GW and KG...

Me too. Laughing at that debacle is the only thing that can keep me sane and keep me from blowing up and going to Buffalo to kill Gilbride and Gr-EGG head!!! :madcurse:

[XNOUGHT]

:finfan: :eek: :tongue:

Ok, take your anger out on me.

Feeling happy?

I guess I should NOT HAVE BEEN OPTIMISTIC!

I guess I will do the other.

GREGG WILLIAMS SUCKS!!!!

GILBRIDE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE BILLS COACHES HAVE BEEN OUTCOACHED BY EVERY COACH IN THE LEAGUE!!!!

FIRE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

BLEDSOE HAS SUCKED FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS!!!!!!

LAWYER MILLOY IS OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE BILLS CAN'T WIN ON THE ROAD!!!!!!!


Other then that, the Bills are a great team, with some cool and "emotional" fans.

[HAMMER]

Wys-

Stick a sock in it! I am really sick of your self righteousness and condascending posts. Right or wrong it seems odd that you would take so much satisfaction from "your teams" failures. You are probably the worst "fan" of a team I have ever seen, with fans like you who needs the Dolfans to hate? Take your wing sauce and peddle it on the Miami board, TRAITOR!

[Billzz]

Patrick he's not a ******* it's called "Gloating", Something Wys seems to excel in. Nothing wrong with honking your own horn on occasion when you are correct.

[FTG]

:evil:

[Iehoshua]

:evil:

:bf1:

[Crisis]

Well said Mark. While we're at it can we please stop referring to Tom Donahoe as a genius. A few of his "genius" decisions....................

Adams............bust
Posey..........Bust
Bledsoe.........bust
Hiring williams......bust
Malloy.........I wish the skins had got him.

Adams bust? Milloy bust? Posey has been solid, invisible at times, but still solid.

[Historian]

What is this...Throwback Night?

[helmetguy]

What is this...Throwback Night?
No ****! And these are the guys who get pissed if someone remotely equates them with the "Inane Drone."

[Mr. Cynical]

What is this...Throwback Night?
:rofl:

[BAM]

Wys was right I will give it to him. Good job, Wys. I know yer reading this. :clap:

:D

[Tatonka]

wys might have been right but this post still annoys the **** out of me..

[FTG]

What is this...Throwback Night?

It's tribute to Wys night :D

[Michael82]

wys might have been right but this post still annoys the **** out of me..
Thank you. I feel the same way. It's not the fact that he is right or not, it's his damn condescending tone. :mad:

[Michael82]

It's tribute to Wys night :D
Did you remember to bump the one where he said Travis Henry sucks and Shawn Bryson is the man? :lol:

[helmetguy]

That would be blasphemy!

[Novacane]

Did you remember to bump the one where he said Travis Henry sucks and Shawn Bryson is the man? :lol:


no but I was reading that one and thought about it. :rofl:

[G. Host]

What is this...Throwback Night?
No rebelious teen night. Some on Twighlight Zone are unhappy with current rep formula and want to alter it so they can pat each other on back continuously to increase rep.

[justasportsfan]

Wys was right I will give it to him. Good job, Wys. I know yer reading this. :clap:

:DHe was only right about Drew. He was wrong about Rob Johnson, LeBeau, Adams, Milloy ,Henry and our Ol being top of the league last year.

[Michael82]

He was only right about Drew. He was wrong about Rob Johnson, LeBeau, Adams, Milloy ,Henry and our Ol being top of the league last year.
That's right. I forgot about how much he criticized the Sam Adams signing and Milloy, and Dick LeBeau. Hell...didn't he even criticize Jerry Gray?

[LtBillsFan66]

That's right. I forgot about how much he criticized the Sam Adams signing and Milloy, and Dick LeBeau. Hell...didn't he even criticize Jerry Gray?
He was enamored by Rob Johnson too. Remember that? And Travis Brown of all people.

Where is old Rob these days? Arena???

[Shasta McNasty]

Wys is the smartest person he knows. Keep up the passion.

[justasportsfan]

That's right. I forgot about how much he criticized the Sam Adams signing and Milloy, and Dick LeBeau. Hell...didn't he even criticize Jerry Gray?He was right about Drew from day 1 though. I ate crow w/ wyswings sauce.

[TigerJ]

If you're constantly negative about everything, or constantly positive, the law of averages says you're going to nail it on the head at least sometimes.

[The_Philster]

If you're constantly negative about everything, or constantly positive, the law of averages says you're going to nail it on the head at least sometimes.

yep...even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes :idunno:

[helmetguy]

The sun shines even on a dog's ass some days.