Hey let's bring back the mullet man !!!

**BADTHINGSMAN** · 10-29-2003, 12:52 AM

I havent seen much of Evans but the little Ive seen he looks really fast..

**hurls** · 10-29-2003, 03:10 AM

I'd rather play Randy Fasani

**R. Rich** · 10-29-2003, 08:11 AM

At the risk of sounding repetitive, it all starts UP FRONT!!

It would be nice to get a speed WR and all, but if Drew has NO time to look downfield, it's a waste of a pick.

We need to improve on both the offensive and defensive lines. Plain and simple. We should look to getting a dominant DT early on as well as a pass rusher (maybe in free agency; better chance of getting a pass rusher this way than a DT, I think). Once you address those two glaring needs, you then need to improve the interior of the offensive line (I'd go after a huge, powerful drive blocker at G first, probably in the draft, then a C-free agency unless there's a good one to be had in the draft with whatever pick is left). We also need to add another speed rusher, either at LB or DE, to use as a situational player (it would've been great to see us grab someone like Antwan Peek for that purpose in the '03 draft). I would also look for Ruben's replacement this year, but I know there are a lot of people who think he's still okay.

I believe that if you were able to upgrade the lines in this fashion, you could score and win with what you have already in the backfield.

**justasportsfan** · 10-29-2003, 08:13 AM

On things for sure, Drew won't be looking over his shoulders

WG · 10-29-2003, 08:37 AM

Some good points max!!

I don't think anyone wants to cut Milloy. But fans are frustrated that he was signed since he's not playing up to his salary. We knew, or TD should have known, that Milloy was not the best cover S. Yet, they seem perplexed that he isn't.

The answer on Milloy was not to have signed him and used the money much earlier to buy some line talent on one of the lines. I'm a little perplexed at TD's "cap saving techniques." Seems like he's always looking for a deal.

The next time he sees Bellichick coming, he should just turn and run. Milloy is here for at least a couple of seasons. My problem w/ the Milloy signing is that it's a silent admission that his, TD's that would be, draft pick of Wire was not a good one. Otherwise why would he override his own pick and go for a position that's already filled. Sure Milloy is better...NOW! But how is Wire supposed to learn anything about playing S by playing STs?

TD's cut Wire off at the knees! Suppose TB did that w/ John Lynch, whom Wire reminds me of. Lynch played MUCH worse than Wire in not only his rookie season but in his first two or three seasons! I don't understand TD's logic there especially since as Rich says we are in such dire need of line starters, 4 to 6 of them, let alone the depth, that it's killing us.

Same w/ Sullivan! WHY TD? GW? Sullivan had a pretty nice sophmore season and then you cut him off at the knees too and decided to play a younger 7th rounder instead of the older 5th rounder who was projected as high as the 3rd by some analysts at the time. I was frankly quite shocked when he fell into our lap in the fifth. Either way, what TD/GW are saying is that their draft pick Sullivan was a bad one! That's the translation in all of that.

These guys have to let the players play for more than a half or single full season before they discard them. And ironically, if anyone should have been discarded after a single/half season it's a player like Denney whom they are both high on. Of course it's not the only thing TD and GW are high on. Apparently there's something else filtering thru the vents at OBD!

Glue perhaps!

This entire thing makes you wonder if these guys have ever watched any football let alone coached or managed it! It really is unbelieveable!

Just as Rich says and as a ton of fans realize, we have no lines!

HELLO, MCFLY!!!

Teague, especially next to PussyWillow, PussyWillow, Denney, Adams, ALL need to go and get replaced or we're never gonna apply any pressure or be able to block well enough to protect our QB whomever it is. That doesn't excuse Drew's poor decision making especially on the plays where he does have time or won't get rid of the ball ala RJ, but it's not good nonetheless! As well and ironically, some of Drew's worst INTs have been when he's had plenty of time!

I feel like we have a couple HS coaches and an inexperienced sucker for a GM who thinks that just b/c he steals other GMs/HCs plans, ideas, or players that he's somehow getting over on the entire league!

This schtick by TD has worn out it's welcome IMO. If the McGahee thing falls thru, I gotta tell ya, it's gonna get ugly in Buffalo!

**askabry** · 10-29-2003, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Wys Guy
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TD's cut Wire off at the knees! ...

Tell me, do you ever LISTEN to the players, or just spout off crap endlessly???

The two safety positions for the Bills again and again have been said as interchangeable, not unlike the situation in NE. Given that, Coy's ability is what keeps him on the bench, not Tom Donahoe or even Lawyer Milloy.

Coy needs to beat out PP and IR. That's all. But his talent has only seen fit to get him on the field for around four plays a game. And you know why? Because he hasn't proven himself. PP has been able to break free on safety blitzes; Wire has tried time and again and hasn't.

Stop putting out that crap that Milloy's signing was detrimental to the development of Wire. Wire's ability is what's detrimental to Wire.

.... and oh ... by the way ... I work as a volunteer for the Coy Wire Foundation. Which I say for no other reason than to suggest impartiality in this instance.

**Dozerdog** · 10-29-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by askabry
Tell me, do you ever LISTEN to the players, or just spout off crap endlessly???

The two safety positions for the Bills again and again have been said as interchangeable, not unlike the situation in NE. Given that, Coy's ability is what keeps him on the bench, not Tom Donahoe or even Lawyer Milloy.

Coy needs to beat out PP and IR. That's all. But his talent has only seen fit to get him on the field for around four plays a game. And you know why? Because he hasn't proven himself. PP has been able to break free on safety blitzes; Wire has tried time and again and hasn't.

Stop putting out that crap that Milloy's signing was detrimental to the development of Wire. Wire's ability is what's detrimental to Wire.

.... and oh ... by the way ... I work as a volunteer for the Coy Wire Foundation. Which I say for no other reason than to suggest impartiality in this instance.

Great post!

WG · 10-29-2003, 08:53 AM

You're right about the LBs too max!

I'm not saying Posey and Fletcher are among the best at their positions in the league, but both would be incredibly better if GW wasn't trying to use them to make up for what Denney and Adams can't do while Williams and Schobel are constantly busting their arses and drawing DTs.

Posey has his weaknesses as does Fletcher. Fletcher can't cover worth a turd and Posey isn't the best v. the run although he hussles very well. If we had a solid DE in place of Denney, and no, Kelsay ain't that guy, and a real DT instead of Mr. Name Sam Adams, someone who can play a full 4 Qs w/o looking as if he had angina in the last Q and is simply running our the inertia in his body for the last Q, then maybe the LBs could do what they're supposed to do instead of trying to do the DLs job.

But once again, it goes back to a woeful DL. Which leaves TD and GW scratching their heads while we sit here and scream "It's the lines stupid...!"

As to Bledsoe, I've said it before and I'll say it again. We do NOT need to stretch the field. Our problems, the biggest ones, are NOT deep issues. They are 2nd and 3rd and short situations and red zone situtions. Having Price back, throwing 40-some times a game, going deep more often, is NOT going to correct that.

So we all need to forget the "deep game" thing. We've moved the ball just fine on numerous occasions this year but haven't been able to convert the short stuff which is what's killing us.

And here's the kicker and why Drew needs to go, b/c his short game is horrible. It's worse than average and Drew has to be one of the worst red zone QBs in the history of starters in the NFL who have started 10+ seasons. His entire dossier is built on yardage and attempts. Those thinking he's going to make the HoF are nuts. It'll never happen. QBs don't make it on junk like that. The second they look closely they'll nix any nominations he gets in seconds.

Drew needs to go post-haste. The problem is that just as w/ the lines, TD has made absolutely no provision for replacing Drew, whether in 2 or 3 seasons, or immediately.

You must also understand one thing about Drew. He has NEVER been pushed from the bottom for playing time as a starter. NEVER. The one time that it sorta happened was w/ the injury thing in NE and lo-and-behold Brady did what Drew could never do. Brown had the best year of his career, and considering that he came on board in NE the same year Drew did, that's pretty remarkable. Brady didn't make the bumbling errors that Drew has v. the better teams like clockwork over the years.

We should have taken a page from that. But heck, since TD can't figure out that it's the lines, how can we expect something like that! Anyway, Drew's never been pushed for replacement and that's in the wake of seasons like:

13/16
15/15
19/21
17/13
25/27

and starting his first three years being heralded for 53/58!

Meanwhile on the merits of two very good seasons, of 10, in NE, he's praised as being great. Go figure.

I can tell you this, what you're seeing this season more closely resembles Drew's play than the 2, maybe three if you count last year which I don't since 9 or 10 of his 24 TDs were against scrub teams, seasons that he's had otherwise.

If Drew were taking up only $2M in cap/salary, I'd say fine, let's keep him around, at least as a backup and to compete w/ whomever else we have. But at $6M it's a waste of money.

**Dozerdog** · 10-29-2003, 08:54 AM

I don't understand why we have to "develop" projects insteasd of playing former pro-bowlers.

Obviously, Wys has a different opinion than the rest of the NFL- most teams would kill to get Milloy. We got lucky because of the timing on when he got cut.

Get rid of Grey's wishy washy 46 or whatever he calls it and Milloy will be much better!

**askabry** · 10-29-2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Wys Guy
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this was a great post. Nice response on the Wire thing.

WG · 10-29-2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by askabry
Tell me, do you ever LISTEN to the players, or just spout off crap endlessly???

The two safety positions for the Bills again and again have been said as interchangeable, not unlike the situation in NE. Given that, Coy's ability is what keeps him on the bench, not Tom Donahoe or even Lawyer Milloy.

Coy needs to beat out PP and IR. That's all. But his talent has only seen fit to get him on the field for around four plays a game. And you know why? Because he hasn't proven himself. PP has been able to break free on safety blitzes; Wire has tried time and again and hasn't.

Stop putting out that crap that Milloy's signing was detrimental to the development of Wire. Wire's ability is what's detrimental to Wire.

.... and oh ... by the way ... I work as a volunteer for the Coy Wire Foundation. Which I say for no other reason than to suggest impartiality in this instance.

"And you know why? Because he hasn't proven himself. PP has been able to break free on safety blitzes; Wire has tried time and again and hasn't."

Check me if I'm wrong here ask! But wasn't Wire a rookie last season? And you want what, Pro Bowl numbers outta him?!

I'm not sure you actually read my post. It was stating that he's not gonna improve w/o playing time. Or do you think he'll improve playing Madden or Nintendo?

If every coach/GM took that philosphy they'd be starting 90% new FAs and rookies each year. Again, did you read anything that I wrote? Doesn't sound like it! John Lynch played like crap his first couple of seasons. Yet, here you are *****ing about Wire not having played well. He had almost a hundred tackles last year and 3 sacks in spite of not playing F/T!

"Stop putting out that crap that Milloy's signing was detrimental to the development of Wire. Wire's ability is what's detrimental to Wire.

.... and oh ... by the way ... I work as a volunteer for the Coy Wire Foundation. Which I say for no other reason than to suggest impartiality in this instance."

Do they have common sense classes at the CWF?

OK ask, you got me! I'll stop insisting that w/ Milloy on the roster Wire is unlikely to see much playing time as a starting S. Apparently you think Wire has a shot at playing FS, eh. B/c anyone w/ even the slightest inkling of common sense can tell that if Milloy's on the field as the starting SS, that Wire can't be.

Again, apparently you must think that the team has a video room where the players "can improve" or something. But here's a little tip that people who play sports, sports of any sort, cycling, soccer, football, b-ball, etc., etc., etc. have learned; ...

...Pssst!

...You have to play or participate to improve. Practicing covering kickoffs isn't going to help you improve your S play.

Just a tip ask!

Then again, maybe I do just "spout off crap endlessly" and just don't realize how much the players can actually improve their on-field play via a Game Cube!

Dozer reminds me of that little dog in the cartoons that runs around saying "Hey Spike, can I be big and strong like you Spike, can I, huh, can I..."

LOL

WG · 10-29-2003, 09:07 AM

And by your infinite wisdom ask, how long would you say that Milloy will be w/ the team? Isn't there some merit in trying to develop someone else for our future?

Ahh, but I know future is anywhere but in some fans' minds, eh!

Milloy will be 30 this year and as most DBs do, they begin to slow slightly as they hit 30 or so and whether you prefer it or not, they enter the downside of their performance curves. So who knows how good Milloy will be in 2 years, but I'm not overly impressed, and I know I'm not the only one either based on some fan feedback, in Milloy's level of play.

But to insist that Milloy's being here somehow doesn't hurt Wire's opportunity for development, well, I'll let anyone w/ a grain of common sense determine the merits of your argument there. :)

**Dozerdog** · 10-29-2003, 09:11 AM

Make your football points Wys-

Stop being the codiscending eleitist who thinks he knows football- no need to speak down to those who oppose some of your views.

**R. Rich** · 10-29-2003, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Dozerdog
Make your football points Wys-

Stop being the codiscending eleitist who thinks he knows football- no need to speak down to those who oppose some of your views.

I think he receives about as much as he delivers, Dozer. Everyone should heed your words, not just Wys.

Hey let's bring back the mullet man !!!

Hey let's bring back the mullet man !!!

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