This is the wrong situation for Drew.

[Jan Reimers]

He is a big, strong-armed, immobile QB. He needs a really good O line (which we don't have), blocking tight ends (which we don't use effectively), and/or a bigtime blocking FB (which we have, but use sparingly, at best.)

Drew also needs an effective running game which will set up some play action stuff. But even on those rare occasions when KG commits to the run, we use very little play action

And Drew is best in a vertical passing game, rather than that putrid semi-WC thing we ran last night. With Moulds obviously hurting and no other big play recievers available, however, the long passing game is not there.

Drew is really a square peg in the TD-GW-KG dug round hole.

[Turf]

Good thing we brought in Sam Gash huh.
We don't use him on third downs to run block or pass block. Simply amazing.

[SABURZFAN]

pat ruel doesn't seem to be the answer either.our OL showed signs of improvement throughout last year and i thought we'd get even better this year.i guess that hasn't happened.i wonder why?:scratch:

[Turf]

Another coaching blunder, Ruel.

[askabry]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
He is a big, strong-armed, immobile QB. He needs a really good O line (which we don't have), blocking tight ends (which we don't use effectively), and/or a bigtime blocking FB ...


A good O line.
Blocking TEs.
A bigtime FB.

Gosh. I'd think ANY QB could play for that team. In fact, they could and that's the problem. We've got our money tied up in Sam Adams, Lawyer Milloy, Takeo Spikes and Eric Moulds.

You can't have the money in those players AND in Orlando Pace & Co. So what you need, if you want that defense, is a QB that can improvise.

Where have I seen that recently? Hmmm. A QB eluding the rush, playing on his feet, thinking through progressions and not LOSING the game for his team?

Oh yeah. That would be Quincy Carter. Playing for about $800000 a year.

[Tatonka]

i got news for you... every qb in the league would be good with a great oline.. blocking TE's and a good FB..

you think mike vick wouldnt want to play in that situation?

drew makes bad decisions.. and he turns the ball over.

his talent has never been questioned. everyone knows he has a strong arm and that he cant avoid a pass rush.

He has played in almost every kind of offense there is in the nfl in his ten year career, and he has NEVER been successful. period. NEVER.

[IHateTheDullphins]

I agree 100% with this thread.:up:

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by Tatonka
i got news for you... every qb in the league would be good with a great oline.. blocking TE's and a good FB..

you think mike vick wouldnt want to play in that situation?

drew makes bad decisions.. and he turns the ball over.

his talent has never been questioned. everyone knows he has a strong arm and that he cant avoid a pass rush.

He has played in almost every kind of offense there is in the nfl in his ten year career, and he has NEVER been successful. period. NEVER.

You're right, T. Bring back Doug Flutie.

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers

Bring back Doug Flutie.

:shakeno:

[BillsFever]

But Drew has a really strong arm, he is tall, and has a really strong arm.

[Jan Reimers]

The point I was making - please note the and/or - is that Bledsoe needs at least one of the three factors mentioned, and two would be better. It is suicide to stick him behind a weak O line, and then exacerbate the problem by not using your TEs and ignoring arguably the best blocking FB in the league.

Flutie could play under these circumstances. Bledsoe cannot.

[zone]

yeat QC played awsome last night, I wish we had him.....

you ppl need help!

[IHateTheDullphins]

Contrary to what some believe, Bledsoe is NOT the second coming of Kelly. He's the second coming of Rob Johnson.

[BillsFever]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
He is a big, strong-armed, immobile QB. He needs a really good O line (which we don't have), blocking tight ends (which we don't use effectively), and/or a bigtime blocking FB (which we have, but use sparingly, at best.)

Drew also needs an effective running game which will set up some play action stuff. But even on those rare occasions when KG commits to the run, we use very little play action

And Drew is best in a vertical passing game, rather than that putrid semi-WC thing we ran last night. With Moulds obviously hurting and no other big play recievers available, however, the long passing game is not there.

Drew is really a square peg in the TD-GW-KG dug round hole.

Geez anything else we need for him?

Lets see he needs a dominant running game, a dominant OL, 2 dominant blocking TE's, and two great WR's. I think that covers just about every area on offense. We could bring back Joe Ferguson to QB under them conditions.

Instead of trying to build an offense around Drew that would take 5 years and 50 million dollars a year to find and sign, why don't we just go out and actually get a QB that doesn't need perfect surroundings in every area of the game?

This is pathetic :shakeno:

[zone]

comparing bledsoe to rob johnson just shows how irrelevant your opinion is....

call me when RJ does this

2002:
Enjoyed a phenomenal first season with the Bills…started all 16 games at QB and set 10 franchise records including single-season marks for yards, attempts and completions, as well as 300-yard games ….earned his fourth career Pro Bowl selection and his first since 1997; also went to the Pro Bowl following the 1994, '96 and '97 seasons with New England and became the third quarterback Bills QB history to earn a Pro Bowl selection, joining Jim Kelly (5) and Doug Flutie (1)…ranked second in the NFL in passing yards (4,359) and attempts (610) behind only Rich Gannon (4,689 & 618) and his 375 completions trailed only Gannon (418) and Peyton Manning (392)…only Gannon (10) had more 300-yard passing games…threw 24 TD passes, the most by a Bills QB since Jim Kelly had a club-record 33 in 1991…with two rushing touchdowns in '02, matched his career total heading into the season and became the first Bills QB with two in a season since Jim Kelly in 1996…topped 400 passing yards in 2 of his first 5 games with the Bills (there were only two in franchise history before '02)…in game 2 at Min. (9/15) he went over 30,000 career passing yards and reached the plateau in his 126th career game, tying Brett Favre as the third fastest in NFL history to reach 30,000 (Dan Marino did it in 114 & Warren Moon in 125)…ended the Vikings and Bears OT games with TD passes; they were his 3rd and 4th career OT touchdown passes and gave him more than any other QB in NFL history…was selected as AFC Offensive Player of the Week after the Vikings game for the 7th time in his career (tied with Vinny Testaverde for most among active QBs) and was also named the AFC Offensive Player of the Month in September, his second career Player of the Month selection…opened the season with a memorable outing vs. NYJ (9/8) that saw him bring the Bills back to tie the game at 31 on a 29-yard TD strike to Eric Moulds on 4th-n-9 with 0:34 remaining before falling in OT; set the tone for the offense with a huge block on DT Jason Ferguson on a reverse…enjoyed a record day and engineered game-winning OT TD drive at Min. (9/15), ending the game with a 48-yard score to Peerless Price; it marked his 3rd career TD pass in OT tying Terry Bradshaw for the NFL record; also recorded 20th 4th quarter comeback of career; was 3-3 for 29 yards on drive which led to 54-yard FG as regulation ended; set career-high and Bills single-game record with 463 passing yards (old personal record: 426 yards, 11/13/94; old Bills record: 419 yards, Joe Ferguson, 10/9/83); also set Bills single-game record with 49 attempts without an interception (old record: 46 by Joe Ferguson, 9/23/84 and Jim Kelly, 11/7/93); became 24th player in NFL to reach 30,000 career passing yards and became 4th fastest QB (in terms of games) to reach 30,000 yards…led the Bills to their second victory of '02 vs. Chi. (9/29), completing 28 of 36 attempts for 328 yards and 4 touchdowns including the game-winning 26-yard pass to Travis Henry in overtime; set a new NFL record with his 4th career TD pass in overtime (Terry Bradshaw - 3); it was the 10th four touchdown game of his career (Last - 10/1/00 at Denver) and was the first by a Bills QB since Jim Kelly had four, 12/10/95 at St. L….the next week vs. Oak. (10/6) he set new club record for attempts without an INT at 175 before throwing one on his 27th attempt; it marked the 2nd longest streak of his career (179 attempts, 10/23/95 - 11/26/95) and the 10th streak of 100+ attempts without an interception in his career…at Hou. (10/13) the Bills trailed 24-17 entering the 4th quarter but Bills offense went on two TD drives to grab their third win of the year; was Bledsoe's 21st "comeback" game of career and the 2nd of the season…at Mia. (10/20) hooked up with Eric Moulds on a 70-yard score, Bledsoe's longest since an 86-yard scoring pass to Terry Glenn, 12/16/98 at Pit…posted 4th 300-yard game of 2002 and 30th of career vs. Det. (10/27) and extended streak of games with a TD pass to eight games by hitting Price on a 59-yard score…in his first outing against his former team vs. NE (11/3) he threw for 300+ yards for the 5th time of season (31st of career) and extended streak of starts with a touchdown to 9 games (longest streak of any Bills QB to start his career)…topped 3,000 yard mark for the season at KC (11/17); it marked the 2nd time with 3,000+ yards in first 10 games (also in 1994); threw a 7-yard strike to Moulds to extend streak of starts with a TD to 10 games (longest streak of any Bills QB to start his career); had TD streak broken the next week at NYJ (11/24)…recorded 1st rushing touchdown as a Bill (3rd of career) on 2-yard plunge vs. Mia. (12/1) and also had two touchdown passes of 50+ yards (73 yards to Price, 57 yards to Moulds)…posted 7th 300-yd game of 2002 and 33rd of career in loss at NE (12/8) and set a club record for 300-yard games in a season (old: Jim Kelly, 6 in 1991); it marked the 10th time in club history a QB had two consecutive 300-yard games (3rd by Bledsoe in '02)…with first completion vs. SD (12/15) established new club record for single-season passing yards (old record: 3,844 - Jim Kelly, 1991)…surpassed the 4,000 yard passing mark for the season in loss at GB (12/22), marking the 3rd 4,000-yd season of career; 10-0 loss to the Packers marked just the 2nd time in career that his team has been shut out (other: 6-0 loss, 11/28/93 vs. NYJ)…collected 2nd rushing TD of season (4th of career) on a 7-yard carry in season finale vs. Cin (12/29)

[BillsFever]

You are absolutley right. There is no way Johnson or any other QB could turn the ball over 14 times over the past 7 games, have a record of 2-16 on the road against playoff teams since 1998, and not be able to score a TD on the road in 18 quarters.

He's definitely a 1 in a million.

[Jan Reimers]

My point put another way: The Bills made a large contractual commitment to Bledsoe. They knew exactly what they were getting. We know, and the Bills know, that he cannot succeed behind a weak offensive line.

Yet now that it is painfully obvious that our O line cannot pass block, we still will not use Gash or our TEs to help compensate for the O line's problems.

I agree that Bledsoe has been bad, but KG and GW have done nothing to play to his strengths or minimize his weaknesses.

[WG]

The appropriate question is "what's the right situation for Blew?"

Since in every single season he's played he's had issues, even his best two in N.E., the mantra is that "it's not him, it's everything around him", you'd think that at some point fans would pick up on that.

[WG]

Oh yeah, and just wait; the "situation's" gonna get even more wrong in the weeks to follow.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Tatonka
He has played in almost every kind of offense there is in the nfl in his ten year career, and he has NEVER been successful. period. NEVER.


He took a team to a Super Bowl. How can you say that season wasn't successful? With the right coach and the right playcalling- he's as good or better than the garbage out there now.

Draft a QB? go ahead- but that means you still have Bledsoe for 2 more years

[WG]

And any reasonable person would see his "contributions" in that run to the SB and in that game in particular as not being the reasons why the Pats advanced. But hey, as long as you want to cling to unjustifiable lame mantras, the longer we do that here, the longer we suck on O.

[WG]

Can you say Curtis Martin at all Dozer? Go look at what he did in those playoff games and then come back and say it was b/c of Drew.

Also, while you're perusing for info on those games, take a little peek at what the D and STs did too. See if you don't think those were a tad bit more instrumental in the Pats advancing.

:deadhorse: indeed!

Man, give it a rest already or you're gonna look like the King April Fool in December.

At least you'll be ready for April! :D

[Philagape]

In 1996, the Pats' SB year, somebody passed for 4,096 yards and 25 TDs on 623 attempts with a 59.9 completion pct. But since it was Blew, it doesn't count.
Yeah, they had Curtis -- meaning they had a running game defenses feared, which we don't!

[The_Philster]

I wonder....have that many QBs taken a team to the Super Bowl without a running game? :scratch:

[BillsFever]

Originally posted by The_Philster
I wonder....have that many QBs taken a team to the Super Bowl without a running game? :scratch:

The Bucs didn't have a great running game last year. The Patriots didn't have a running game anybody really feared.

[WG]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
He is a big, strong-armed, immobile QB. He needs a really good O line (which we don't have), blocking tight ends (which we don't use effectively), and/or a bigtime blocking FB (which we have, but use sparingly, at best.)

Drew also needs an effective running game which will set up some play action stuff. But even on those rare occasions when KG commits to the run, we use very little play action

And Drew is best in a vertical passing game, rather than that putrid semi-WC thing we ran last night. With Moulds obviously hurting and no other big play recievers available, however, the long passing game is not there.

Drew is really a square peg in the TD-GW-KG dug round hole.

Right! And Blew's problems for decades have been the fact that in the NFL as soon as you approach the end zone/red zone, all of a sudden that vertical game of which ye speaketh evaporates.

Why is that point lost on all you Dredsoe supporters? It happens on every single drive as you near the EZ unless you hit a deep ball for a TD. Thus, exactly why he's been able to amass seroius yardage throughout the course of his career yet struggles to be a good scoring QB!

But you're right JR! Absolutely. If this were the CFL then Blew wouldn't blow nearly as much b/c he'd be able to go deep from the 10 YL! But alas, in the NFL he can't!

Now let's cut him and be done with it since the field isn't going to grow and he's never gonna improve his RZ play!

[WG]

And OH, BTW, I haven't exactly noticed his "mid-field" play excel this year either...

If you watch closely, you'll notice that obviously he is harboring an arm injury or he's clearly losing some of his "arm strength." Otherwise he wouldn't constantly underthrow his targets. Kelly went thru the same thing albeit a few years older. Then again, Kelly didn't start slinging NFL balls when he was 20 either. But Kelly's arm was clearly getting weaker a good 3 seasons prior to the one he retired in. In his final season he couldn't throw a ball for more than 40 or 45 yards on the fly.

[LarryBoy]

Kinda hard to take you serious when you cant post without a "Blew" or "Dredsoe" comment.

[helmetguy]

Just goes to show you, LarryBoy, what happens to one's brain from playing too much videogame fooball. You don't see much when all you can control is the QB.