Tatonka
12-05-2003, 08:30 AM
Got this off another board i use..
Kiper hosted another audio chat (it's free) today and I wanted to post some tidbits from it since we're getting to that interesting time of year:
Sean Taylor (S), Miami -- Clearly the best defensive back and likely to declare. Rare ability, equivalent to Ray Lewis in terms of relative grade and would battle for a top 3 spot in this draft. At worst, Taylor is a top 5-8 pick.
Kellen Winslow Jr (TE), Miami -- Ditto (he said that two Hurricanes could be battling for top 3 spots
Larry Fitzgerald (WR), Pitt -- Kiper thinks he will be in this draft and he'd be the only WR able to dethrone Roy Williams atop the WR mix.
Roy Williams (WR), Texas -- No WR aside from Fitz will unseat him because of his speed. Mike Williams, and Mark Clayton would be first rounders but no way can they unseat Roy. Williams (Roy) will be a top 10 pick regardless of whether Fitzgerald comes out.
Kevin Jones (RB), VaTech -- Enters his big board at number 8 and could be in the mix for the top RB off the board although Kiper thinks he'll fall into the mid to first round if/when Cadillac Williams, Steven Jackson and Cedric Benson declare. He noted that Jones has elite ability but runs a bit upright.
Phil Rivers (QB) NC State, Matt Schaub (QB) Virginia, and B. VanPelt (QB) Colorado State have all worked their way into the 2nd round mix. Kiper thinks it's actually shaping up to be a solid QB class.
Cadillac Williams (RB) Auburn -- A pure runner, almost certainly a first rounder but needs to show he can be a consistent blocker and receiver. Williams isn't as polished in those areas as some of the other junior prospects.
Rashaun Woods (WR) Oklahoma State -- Didn't have great metrics against Nebraska, Oklahoma and another big game. Probably more like a 2nd rounder now.
J.P. Losman (QB) Tulane -- A clear first round QB prospect
Jason White (QB) Oklahoma -- Given his accuracy and production, he's worked into a 3rd/4th round draft pick, despite not being considered draftable heading into this year.
Michael Boulware (LB) Florida State -- Solid player, probably a 3rd rounder
Greg Jones (RB) Florida State -- Has talent, but still have questions about his health after the injury, YPC way down this year. Given the talent at RB this year if juniors declare, Greg is probably a 3rd rounder, maybe 2nd.
Ben Troupe (TE) Florida -- Number six on the big board right now, will come down a bit as juniors declare but he's gifted and a certain first rounder. Has some concentration lapses but that has improved this season. Winslow will go higher, but Troupe is a solid solid TE.
Michael Clayton (WR), Oklahoma -- Definitely a first rounder, where in that mix depends on how fast he runs. May stay in school, and wouldn't be hurt because OK has a fantastic young QB taking over next year.
OK...that wraps up the chat. You can access it yourself if you want http://insider.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html
http://footballguys.net/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=56725
couple things here.. this is going to be what seems like and EXTREMELY deep offensive draft.. tons of qbs, wrs, and especially RBs... makes me really wish we didnt grab mcgahee last year (not that there was anything better to get at that point).. but what really scares me is that New England WILL DEFINATELY get a good rb this year.. even if it is greg jones, who is a beast, in the 2nd-3rd rounds
we will definately have to move up to get taylor. but then again.. people drop on draft day for no good reason.. they say winslow is a top 3 guy, but shockey was hyped this much and he went at number 14. ed reed also was that good, but fell too... hopefully we get lucky....
i also noticed my boy van pelt is making some noise.. love that kid.. i found it a little hard to believe that he would be a ufa like some said on the board.. that kid can play ball as good as any qb i have seen...
you guys are going to think this is nuts.. but this is actually a great year to trade henry, if they feel mcgahee is the real deal.. then draft another strong rb in the 2nd or 3rd.. because there will be some guys there that should have gone higher.
Kiper hosted another audio chat (it's free) today and I wanted to post some tidbits from it since we're getting to that interesting time of year:
Sean Taylor (S), Miami -- Clearly the best defensive back and likely to declare. Rare ability, equivalent to Ray Lewis in terms of relative grade and would battle for a top 3 spot in this draft. At worst, Taylor is a top 5-8 pick.
Kellen Winslow Jr (TE), Miami -- Ditto (he said that two Hurricanes could be battling for top 3 spots
Larry Fitzgerald (WR), Pitt -- Kiper thinks he will be in this draft and he'd be the only WR able to dethrone Roy Williams atop the WR mix.
Roy Williams (WR), Texas -- No WR aside from Fitz will unseat him because of his speed. Mike Williams, and Mark Clayton would be first rounders but no way can they unseat Roy. Williams (Roy) will be a top 10 pick regardless of whether Fitzgerald comes out.
Kevin Jones (RB), VaTech -- Enters his big board at number 8 and could be in the mix for the top RB off the board although Kiper thinks he'll fall into the mid to first round if/when Cadillac Williams, Steven Jackson and Cedric Benson declare. He noted that Jones has elite ability but runs a bit upright.
Phil Rivers (QB) NC State, Matt Schaub (QB) Virginia, and B. VanPelt (QB) Colorado State have all worked their way into the 2nd round mix. Kiper thinks it's actually shaping up to be a solid QB class.
Cadillac Williams (RB) Auburn -- A pure runner, almost certainly a first rounder but needs to show he can be a consistent blocker and receiver. Williams isn't as polished in those areas as some of the other junior prospects.
Rashaun Woods (WR) Oklahoma State -- Didn't have great metrics against Nebraska, Oklahoma and another big game. Probably more like a 2nd rounder now.
J.P. Losman (QB) Tulane -- A clear first round QB prospect
Jason White (QB) Oklahoma -- Given his accuracy and production, he's worked into a 3rd/4th round draft pick, despite not being considered draftable heading into this year.
Michael Boulware (LB) Florida State -- Solid player, probably a 3rd rounder
Greg Jones (RB) Florida State -- Has talent, but still have questions about his health after the injury, YPC way down this year. Given the talent at RB this year if juniors declare, Greg is probably a 3rd rounder, maybe 2nd.
Ben Troupe (TE) Florida -- Number six on the big board right now, will come down a bit as juniors declare but he's gifted and a certain first rounder. Has some concentration lapses but that has improved this season. Winslow will go higher, but Troupe is a solid solid TE.
Michael Clayton (WR), Oklahoma -- Definitely a first rounder, where in that mix depends on how fast he runs. May stay in school, and wouldn't be hurt because OK has a fantastic young QB taking over next year.
OK...that wraps up the chat. You can access it yourself if you want http://insider.espn.go.com/melkiper/index.html
http://footballguys.net/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=56725
couple things here.. this is going to be what seems like and EXTREMELY deep offensive draft.. tons of qbs, wrs, and especially RBs... makes me really wish we didnt grab mcgahee last year (not that there was anything better to get at that point).. but what really scares me is that New England WILL DEFINATELY get a good rb this year.. even if it is greg jones, who is a beast, in the 2nd-3rd rounds
we will definately have to move up to get taylor. but then again.. people drop on draft day for no good reason.. they say winslow is a top 3 guy, but shockey was hyped this much and he went at number 14. ed reed also was that good, but fell too... hopefully we get lucky....
i also noticed my boy van pelt is making some noise.. love that kid.. i found it a little hard to believe that he would be a ufa like some said on the board.. that kid can play ball as good as any qb i have seen...
you guys are going to think this is nuts.. but this is actually a great year to trade henry, if they feel mcgahee is the real deal.. then draft another strong rb in the 2nd or 3rd.. because there will be some guys there that should have gone higher.