We'll have to evaluate after Saturday

[LtBillsFan66]

If anyone was watching FOX pregame, they had a quick bit saying that Gregg went to Donahoe ala Fassel and asked TD about his status. The report was that TD responded "we'll have to evaluate that after Saturday's game.

Translation:
Buh bye!

[SABURZFAN]

i hope you're right.

[lordofgun]

:bigwave:

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by billsfanone
If anyone was watching FOX pregame, they had a quick bit saying that Gregg went to Donahoe ala Fassel and asked TD about his status. The report was that TD responded "we'll have to evaluate that after Saturday's game.

Translation:
Buh bye!

TD's a classless ******* or an idiot if he said that.

There should be no doubt that GW will be fired after this season and if TD lied to his face, he's an ass.

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by HenryRules
TD's a classless ******* or an idiot if he said that.

There should be no doubt that GW will be fired after this season and if TD lied to his face, he's an ass.

That's what I heard.

[lordofgun]

The company line out of OBD has always been that they don't make any decisions on personnel until their evaluation meetings after the season.

[LtBillsFan66]

Here's a link!

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/6943613

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by lordofgun
The company line out of OBD has always been that they don't make any decisions on personnel until their evaluation meetings after the season.

That's a copout to give the press for tough decisions.

GW's firing should take one second of thought - or else TD has not watched any Bills games this year.

If TD hasn't already started to evaluate coaches for next year, he's an idiot and wasting time - a lot of coaching hirings are normally made before the Super Bowl. If TD is already searching, then he lied to GW and is a classless act (which is the way I'm leaning).

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by HenryRules
TD's a classless ******* or an idiot if he said that.

There should be no doubt that GW will be fired after this season and if TD lied to his face, he's an ass.


I disagree. I think it's worse to fire a guy and still make him coach.

The Fassel situation is ridiculous.


Who knows what they have told each other, and to call someone an ******* on information you don't have is a bit unfair.

1- He may have told him he's not coming back- we don't know that. It may be a ploy to keep the pack of hounds media off their back.

2- They may actually sit down and evaluate at season's end. It could actually be true.

3- I deal with decisions like this in my work. On some occasions I have had to take poor performing employees and give them targets to hit in a time frame. I have been asked half- way to the deadline if they were going to get canned - and I have responded with "Are you movingt o the target? Will you get there by the date outlined? "


So it's not out of the realm of beleivability that it's shaking out like this at all.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Dozerdog



I disagree. I think it's worse to fire a guy and still make him coach.

The Fassel situation is ridiculous.


Who knows what they have told each other, and to call someone an ******* on information you don't have is a bit unfair.

1- He may have told him he's not coming back- we don't know that. It may be a ploy to keep the pack of hounds media off their back.

2- They may actually sit down and evaluate at season's end. It could actually be true.

3- I deal with decisions like this in my work. On some occasions I have had to take poor performing employees and give them targets to hit in a time frame. I have been asked half- way to the deadline if they were going to get cam=nned - and I have responded with "Are you movingt o the target? Will you get there by the date outlined? "


So it's not out of the realm of beleivability that it's shaking out like this at all.

I said <i>if</i> TD told him that, then he's an ******* (or an idiot if he hasn't already come to the conclusion that GW should be fired). I did not say he was an ******* if it did not happen.

Season's end has already happened for us. Losers evaluate people based on how they perform when the pressure's off. No one should be able to save their job based on these last 2 games, they should only be able to lose it.

I agree the Giants situation is stupid, when Fassel asked if he was going to be fired at the end of the season, they should have fired him right there - like Atlanta. That's the classy way to handle a situation like that. I don't think it's classy at all for GW, Fassel, or anyone else to approach management mid-season and ask them to tell you what you're thinking ... but if someone does, then be honest.

Regardless of what position you're in, you don't flat out lie to people that are on your side. You can anything at all, but you do not lie. It's the worst possible thing you can do in a situation because it will create distrust within the organization and no place can be successful when no one trusts anyone.

[helmetguy]

How do you know that TD wasn't being honest and sincere when he told GW that? TD has not once swayed from what he has been saying since prior to the bye week regarding the coaching situation, and will continue to do so through the the usual meetings at the end of the season. The season may be over for you, but not for me, the players, coaches, TD, or Ralph Wilson. What will happen-'when the heat is off" as you say-is a THOROUGH analysis of every aspect of the Bills organization. To make long term decisions in the heat of the moment would be courting long-term disaster. It is not as if TD has told GW "You're still gonna be our guy," so where's the lie?

As for the majority of the coaching hires happening before the Super Bowl, that may be true to the extent that, by then, all the attractive "hot" coordinators' teams have been knocked out of the playoffs by then. Unless the Bills eschew interviewing the "hot" coordinator prospects entirely, you may not see a new Head Coach until AFTER the SB. You can't talk to these guys until their season is over. It's called tampering.

[BAM]

:mad:

c-ya Gregg and Kevin

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by helmetguy
How do you know that TD wasn't being honest and sincere when he told GW that? TD has not once swayed from what he has been saying since prior to the bye week regarding the coaching situation, and will continue to do so through the the usual meetings at the end of the season. The season may be over for you, but not for me, the players, coaches, TD, or Ralph Wilson. What will happen-'when the heat is off&quot; as you say-is a THOROUGH analysis of every aspect of the Bills organization. To make long term decisions in the heat of the moment would be courting long-term disaster. It is not as if TD has told GW &quot;You're still gonna be our guy,&quot; so where's the lie?


I did not say that he absolutely lied. I said he was an ******* only if he was lying. If he was not lying, he's an idiot. And if it never happened, then he's not necessarily either one. But, he's had 3 years of watching GW coach ... if he requires an extra month or so at the end of the season to review that performance, then I stand by saying that he is an idiot.


As for the majority of the coaching hires happening before the Super Bowl, that may be true to the extent that, by then, all the attractive &quot;hot&quot; coordinators' teams have been knocked out of the playoffs by then. Unless the Bills eschew interviewing the &quot;hot&quot; coordinator prospects entirely, you may not see a new Head Coach until AFTER the SB. You can't talk to these guys until their season is over. It's called tampering.

I didn't say the majority of coaching hires take place before the SB, I said a lot. And you can play Dr. Evil and use your "quotes" to diminish the quality of those hires, but the fact of the matter is, the longer we wait to start interviewing/hiring, the smaller the pool of candidates there will be to choose from. I could care less whether we hire someone before the Super Bowl or not, but if we aren't looking for a coach next Sunday, we're already wasting time.

And yes, I know that you cannot talk to coaches on playoff teams before their season is over ... however, you <i>can</i> talk to college coaches and you <i>can</i> talk to coaches who are already out of a job and you <i>can</i> talk to coaches whose teams are not/no longer in the playoffs.

[helmetguy]

So, getting back to your first post, TD IS an ass and classless because he DID tell GW that "We'll have to evaluate that after Saturday." Again, where's the idiocy in that? Personally, I felt we were wasting time by letting the schmutz even start THIS season as HC, but it isn't my choice to make. I would have only hoped that the guy lived up to even a part of the reputation he sold not just TD but a lot of people on his preparation, knowledge, etc. He hasn't. As prepared as he's reputed to be, TD is actually giving him a chance to get his ducks in a row when it comes time for the evaluation and defend himself against the arguements TD is sure to make, justifying his decision not to retain GW. It's certainly classier than Arthur Blank starting his coaching search, and Reeves having to go to him and ask if the rumors are true. Fassel followed suit, mainly so he didn't have to answer the same questions week after week.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by helmetguy
So, getting back to your first post, TD IS an ass and classless because he DID tell GW that &quot;We'll have to evaluate that after Saturday.&quot; Again, where's the idiocy in that?

Sorry, I'm out of practice in my French so I'll have to try it in English once more.

TD was an ******* and classless if he lied to GW and has already come to the conclusion of firing him.

TD is an idiot if he hasn't already decided whether or not to fire him. He's had 3 years to evaluate him. What will an extra month allow him to do? The games have already been played.



Personally, I felt we were wasting time by letting the schmutz even start THIS season as HC, but it isn't my choice to make. I would have only hoped that the guy lived up to even a part of the reputation he sold not just TD but a lot of people on his preparation, knowledge, etc. He hasn't.


You seem to have already made up your mind he's fired. How long did it take you to decide?


As prepared as he's reputed to be, TD is actually giving him a chance to get his ducks in a row when it comes time for the evaluation and defend himself against the arguements TD is sure to make, justifying his decision not to retain GW.
TD is the boss and GW has no contract. Who does TD have to justify himself to? If he needs extra time to prepare justification for why he's firing a subordinate who's team underachieved and is out of a contract, then he's an idiot.


It's certainly classier than Arthur Blank starting his coaching search, and Reeves having to go to him and ask if the rumors are true. Fassel followed suit, mainly so he didn't have to answer the same questions week after week.

It is not classier than Arthur Blank. As soon as Blank decided that he was going to go in another direction, he let Reeves know. I don't know where you're getting your information from that Reeves went to Blank - everything I've read says otherwise.(http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6911018 and http://www.atlantafalcons.com/team/004/372/ for two examples). From what I've heard, Reeves went to Blank a while ago and asked him to let him know as soon as the decision was made. Blank did. That's a class act and almost everyone in football agrees.

Fassel still coaching is stupid, but they at least let him know where he stands and can now begin to look for someone else. No one loses in that situation, but no one gains either.

Now, let's look at the Bills situation. GW doesn't know if he's around next year or not. TD can't go out and look for a new coach even if he's already decided to fire GW (imagine him calling up Saban ... <i>Saban</i>: Why are you calling me, you told Gregg you haven't made up your mind? <i>TD</I>: Why would I tell him the truth ... anyway, come coach for me, I'm great to work with.). So basically TD has hamstrung himself and given himself an extra few weeks to make a decision that he should have been making all along this season - and to make matters worse, if TD does want to hire GW back, well guess what, he's a free agent in a couple of weeks. Yes, that's great management. Lower your ability to find a replacement while at the same time lowering your ability to retain the incumbent.

We didn't make any significant roster moves this season, TD watched all our games (as far as I know), TD came into this season knowing that he'd have to make a decision by season's end on whether to retain GW and he still hasn't done so? And you say that's not enough evidence of him being an idiot?

Please tell me one benefit that we get from this situation. I'm sorry, as I've said, extra time is not correct, because we're not benefitting from it (to repeat, by waiting, we're lowering our chances of re-hiring GW and lowering our chances of hiring our first choice as a replacement).

[helmetguy]

It would be much classier for TD to let GW come in and justify why he should be retained. I'm presuming GW will be gone; in fact hoping so. You can parse all you want and condescend until your fingers wear out, but at least come down firmly on an issue, instead of qualifying it with "I said if...' SCREW IT! Go back to Madden 2004.

[HenryRules]

I don't have Madden, but you sound like you need Viagra to go out and have a good time and relax for once. Wake the granny and give her a tickle old man.

I am giving TD the benefit of the doubt by stating "if" because I don't know how reliable the source is. Were you there?

Other than that one qualification ... I have said TD is classless or an idiot ... as far as I'm concerned, neither of those are good qualities and I don't think I've been flimsy about it at all.

[Dozerdog]

OK- knock off the personal attacks you two.

[helmetguy]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
OK- knock off the personal attacks you two.

Already corrected!