Should Donahoe's job be on the line next year?

[HenryRules]

If we're not a playoff team next year, I think Donahoe has to go.

Next year is his 4th year with the team, and if he hasn't produced a playoff team, I don't see any need for him to stick around.

The last 2 years we were last in our division and this year we'll be 3rd at best.

I think his performance in Buffalo has been incredibly overrated.

[imbondz]

I like TD. He's bringing in the talent, the talent isn't producing.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by imbondz
I like TD. He's bringing in the talent, the talent isn't producing.

The buck stops at the top IMO. If we don't have a playoff team next year, then TD has proven he can't assemble a winning team in this situation.

[AG75]

No no no and no!!!

I have been meaning to address this. Tom has done everything possible to "try" and get this team to be a contender. He has made moves that pretty much all Bills fans thought were shrewd and "genius"..and some of the moves he has made have been busts, and some great(Spikes, Adams, Milloy). Hell, if I were GM I would have brought these people in too. I am not going to blame him of all people for this team underachieving. I will start t have second thoughts about Tom if he refuses to fix or address some of our problems like Gilbride, Gregg, Drew etc etc

Right now though I think he had just as high hopes as we all did when he started bringing all the talent in. Unfortunately, this has got to be the biggest group of underachievers I have ever seen in my 15+ years of watching the Bills. No heart whatsoever!!! I don't blame TD for that though, but hopefully he will address this.

[Dozerdog]

Aimee

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by AG75
No no no and no!!!

I have been meaning to address this. Tom has done everything possible to "try" and get this team to be a contender. He has made moves that pretty much all Bills fans thought were shrewd and "genius"..and some of the moves he has made have been busts, and some great(Spikes, Adams, Milloy). Hell, if I were GM I would have brought these people in too. I am not going to blame him of all people for this team underachieving. I will start t have second thoughts about Tom if he refuses to fix or address some of our problems like Gilbride, Gregg, Drew etc etc

Right now though I think he had just as high hopes as we all did when he started bringing all the talent in. Unfortunately, this has got to be the biggest group of underachievers I have ever seen in my 15+ years of watching the Bills. No heart whatsoever!!! I don't blame TD for that though, but hopefully he will address this.

So let me summarize your post:

- TD brought in incompetent coaches
- TD brought in players with no heart
- TD assembled the biggest group of underachievers you have ever seen
- TD is a genius

something doesn't add up.

[Dozerdog]

If people are willing to bring back Gregg after he hires a third OC, why does TD only get 1 chance to hire a coach?

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
If people are willing to bring back Gregg after he hires a third OC, why does TD only get 1 chance to hie a coach?

I don't think Gregg should have a chance to hire another OC.

I also think that TD has already had 2 chances to hire a HC - he could have let GW go before the season but "chose" not too. So his first two coaching choices were GW.

Also, I'm willing to give TD one more season - so that's 3 chances for TD to hire a HC.

If we don't make the playoffs with TD's second set of coaches (and 3rd opportunity to change coaches), then what do we wait for?

[AG75]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
Aimee

Thanks

Before I even came across this topic I was going to start a thread on TD and the unecessary bashing of him that im seeing from some Bills fans. My god the man is trying..big time. Look at what he did last offseason??? Maybe he would be "perfect" if he suited up and played as well. TD for QB!!!!!

Seriously, he went out and brought in players that fans wanted and prayed for. It's not his fault they have not produced.

Hopefully he will get rid of Gregg and Gilbride.

[AG75]

Originally posted by HenryRules


So let me summarize your post:

- TD brought in incompetent coaches
- TD brought in players with no heart
- TD assembled the biggest group of underachievers you have ever seen
- TD is a genius

something doesn't add up.

Now wait a minute!! Were you not all for TD bringing in Sam Adams? Takeo? Bledsoe? Hell if I remember people were willing to start a shrine for TD for bringing these talented players in. Drew Bledsoe had a rally. Not since Jim Kelly did I see so much fuss for a QB. We the fans were not able to look into a crystal ball and see that the team would play with no heart or emotion, yet Tom is supposed to have some sort of esp and know this would happen? Puhlease. Besides, Spikes is pro bowl bound, Milloy has been a great addition and Adams as well.

On the whole though, this team is not gelling. I do not blame TD for this.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by HenryRules
I don't think Gregg should have a chance to hire another OC.

I also think that TD has already had 2 chances to hire a HC - he could have let GW go before the season but "chose" not too. So his first two coaching choices were GW.

Also, I'm willing to give TD one more season - so that's 3 chances for TD to hire a HC.

If we don't make the playoffs with TD's second set of coaches (and 3rd opportunity to change coaches), then what do we wait for?

While I was in favor of grabbing Coulghlin when he came available last season, firing GW last season would have been a bit out of character for most NFL teams. You can't let your anger cloud your judgement. 3-13 to 8-8,....... a five game improvement with the worst D in the league- give me a break on that one.

But I think you just want to trash the whole thing. That's your choice- but of you did that on every set back we will never get this baby improved.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by AG75
Seriously, he went out and brought in players that fans wanted and prayed for. It's not his fault they have not produced.

His job is not to bring in players the fans want. Dungy brought in Freeney in Indy and the fans hated him for it initially.

TD's job is to put a winning team on the field. He hasn't done it in the 3 years his been here (first year was not his fault though).

By the way ... teams that were in a similar situation to us two years ago (our 3-13 season).

Carolina
Dallas
Detroit
Minnesota
San Diego

(only teams with less than 6 wins in 2001).


Carolina won their division this year.
Dallas is going to the playoffs this year.
Minnesota has a good chance to win their division this year.
Detroit is considered a laughing stock.
San Diego is considered a laughing stock.

I believe you can be judged by the company you keep - and TD's company isn't good.

[LtBillsFan66]

TD's done a fine job. He underestimated how much he sacrificed on O to get the D. Hindsight is 20-20. I think it's VERY clear what he has to do in the offseason.

[Turf]

Baloney.

TD hired and could have fired GW and Gilbride.

He stood around and watched this team flounder as we have and did nothing.
As much as admire TD for some of his free agent and salary cap moves, some of his drafting decisions (McGahee) and coaching moves undermine his personnel moves.
TD has had three years at the helm, and we have't broken .500 once, and in fact are going backwards.
The only thing that will convince me that TD is on the ball, will be to to get rid of Gilbride, GW, and whoever else, and bring in a power coach, and to release Drew, because Drew is done as QB.
Anying short of that will convince me that TD is not the real deal.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Dozerdog



While I was in favor of grabbing Coulghlin, You can't let your anger cloud your judgement. 3-13 to 8-8,....... a five game improvement with the worst D in the league- give me a break on that one.

But I think you just want to trash the whole thing. That's your choice- but of you did that on every set back we will never get this baby improved.

I don't want to fire him now.

But I think if we go 3-13, 8-8, 7-9/6-10, 8-8 then I think TD should be fired. We'd turn into the Cardinals of the 2000s if we kept that up.