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  • Michael82
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    • Jul 2002
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    Opinions on Jim Fassel From Giants Fans

    I just conducted a survey to gauge their opinions on Fassel. Here's what they are saying:

    Question about Fassel : BufBill1180 : 1/6 1:27 PM
    Hi, I'm a Bills fan and have been hearing that Jim Fassel is the leading candidate for the Bills head coaching job. I was just wondering what you guys really think of him. I know that this season pissed you off, but I was just wondering if there were any positives and what are the negatives from him? Thanks for the responses. Mike


    BufBill : Shawn in Jersey : 1/6 1:32 PM
    You're going to get 2 very different responses from this group. My take, Fassel was a good not great coach, that when times got tough, took everything on himself, sometimes it worked (last years playoff run), sometimes he didn't (this year). He spread himself too thin and didn't delegate properly. I think he even took this too far with his assistants, not taking them to task for it, yet accepting the blame. Obviously I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but that was my impression.
    He has a good offensive mind, and is pretty flexible in his approach. Compare the 1997 team to last years playoff team to see what I mean. Overall good coach, great guy.

    Honestly... : Britt in VA : 1/6 1:34 PM
    I think the guy was a quality coach that had his ups and downs contrary to what the majority on here think. He will have your team performing pretty well, he'll just have a problem w/ consistency. Fassel may also be able to resurrect Bledsoe's career like he did w/ Collins. I think Jim and the Bills would be a good fit personally. He is a good pick up for you.
    Mike : gg : 1/6 1:34 PM
    most of us liked him as a person; he was a real good representative of this organization.
    As a coach, you'll find that most felt he was either (1) mediocore or (2) a bit better than average.

    His record says he may have been underestimated by the masses. Personally, I found him to be an average HC but you could also do much worse.

    Two preconditions to offering Fassel a job. : Big Blue Blogger : 1/6 1:35 PM
    Require that he hire a real OC;
    Require that he hire a real game management expert, not a part-timer like Mike Priefer.
    Good luck. I think you'll end up with Weis, and he'll be very good.
    Could be a great fit at Buffalo : Rick from Dallas : 1/6 1:35 PM
    Fassell is a very good offensive minded coach which is exactly what Buffalo needs with the number two rated defense in the NFL.A good guy who the players really like.With all the BS that went down this year I thought the players never quit on Fassell...there was just a lack of NFL talent playing at the end of the season due to all the injuries to starters that the Giants suffered this year.
    Fassel : Fred in Atlanta : 1/6 1:36 PM
    is a good coach not a great coach. His first few years, his teams did better than expected. As the years went by, I think the players started tuning him out. He might have gotten to close to some of the players. I believe his worse mistake was hiring Johnie Lynn as DC after Fox left. A lot of people will critize him harsely, because he is not Bill Parcells.
    Britt in VA: : BufBill1180 : 1/6 1:37 PM
    That's exactly what I was thinking about. Our GM wants to keep Bledsoe and so does the owner. I remember Collins before Fassel and he sucked. He did some magic and helped Collins become better. Maybe he has that magic to fix what is wrong with Bledsoe. We could only hope!
    Fassel : Les in TO : 1/6 1:38 PM
    Pros: Good offensive imagination, quarterback guru, his teams seem to improve over the course of the season, he knows how to identify and correct problem areas on the team, players respect him and play hard for him and is willing to shake things up to get his team to listen
    Cons: falls into lapses of predictability in play calling, perceived by some as being too soft on his players, relatively lax training and conditioning program could be a cause of the numerous injuries Giants have faced under his tenure, goes into a shell with big leads, and lacks a killer instinct.

    I believe Bledsoe, while performing piss poor this year, : Britt in VA : 1/6 1:40 PM
    got a little too much of the blame up there. I think that if you guys were to dump him, he would be picked up and possibly succeed elsewhere. You'd have to wonder if Parcell's would be licking his chops over that. Bledsoe would definitely benefit from Fassel's guidance. I mean, Fassel has helped one of the greatest ie: Elway.
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  • Michael82
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    • Jul 2002
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    #2
    Here's a few more....

    Thanks! : BufBill1180 : 1/6 1:41 PM
    Thanks for your comments. The way I look at it, we have the defense and maybe he will keep LeBeau or Gray as DC, all we need is the Offense. If he can resurrect Drew Bledsoe's career, it would be just what the Bills need. I was curious about his game decisions and clock management. Gregg Williams made terrible decisions (punting on 4th down and 1 at the 32) and also had terrible discipline. How is Fassel's discipline? Did the Giants get a lot of penalties?

    BufBill : cosmicj : 1/6 1:41 PM
    I'll add to the previous, which I mostly agree with:
    1) IMHO, this guy is burnt out. He did some very good coaching with some lousy teams in the late 90s. The coaching has become erratic. He's gradually become someone who usually outcoached the other team to someone who gets clearly outcoached.

    2) Expect slow starts. He is not hard enough on players in training camp. He is not willing to bench starters, esp vets. Expect a "crisis moment" sometime in the season where he benches/cuts someone. The team will respond at that point.

    3) Bledsoe will gradually become a much better QB.
    Mike : Life Long Giants Fan : 1/6 1:43 PM
    Some hated Fassel. Most thought he was an average or good coach that was also a very classy and upstanding guy. Some thought, as I do that he was an above average coach that took the fall for an average or below average GM. After the Atlanta game the team quit on him and just about everybody realized a change needed to be made. He has a reputation as a players coach, a guy that is too soft. I disagree with that. I think he is tough, he is just tough in private. He does not use the media to humiliate his players. The players loved him and at the end of the season they fought like hell to win but by that time there were way too many injuries and we didn't have the talent to beat anybody. His one weakness was his clock management skills, but every coach makes mistakes. Fassel's mistakes where just more noticeable because of the New York media.
    BTW, I truly believe Fassel was the unluckiest coach I have ever seen. C'mon, the kicker kicks the ball out of bounds with 11 seconds let in the game and then we give up a huge play followed by the Dallas kicker making one of the longest (maybe THE longest) kick of his career.

    Mike, if your GM builds you a good offense line, Fassel can build you an incredible offense. If the bills help Fassel get a very good Defensive Coordinator. I can definitely see the Bills carrying him off the field while he is holding the Lombardi Trophy. Good Luck.
    discipline : Les in TO : 1/6 1:43 PM
    Fassel's teams were average in terms of discipline, depending on the composition of the team that given year. I found the defense to be generally more undisciplined than the offense in terms of penalties.
    Unfortunately BBill.... : Britt in VA : 1/6 1:46 PM
    the things you just mentioned are exactly where Fassel lacks... Penalties due to discipline, and especially clock management... Those are his biggest flaws IMO... That is something I do agree w/ the majority on here concerning Fassel.
    Fassel : The Village Voice : 1/6 1:57 PM
    is pretty much the definition of a Player's Coach. He's a solid coach who develops a good relationship with his players, particularly the veterans, and they truly try their best to play for him. Only problem with Fassel (like most players' coaches), is that when things are good he is great, but when things start going wrong, he can't put his foot down. Either he is not good at disciplining, or the players feel like they are such "friends" with the coach that they don't take his discipline as seriously as someone who regularly gets on his players' cases. The result is ups and downs. You're on top of the world when the turnover ratio is in your favor and you don't have many injuries to deal with, but you go to the ****s when things start going wrong.
    BufBill1180 : Life Long Giants Fan : 1/6 2:07 PM
    It is hard to say how Fassel feels about a power running game because our GM believed in using undrafted OL players and cheap OL players that where way past their primes. Our GM believed faster players were the answer to our problems. (Many of us disagree vehemently.) We drafted Ron Dayne so I assume Fassel wanted a decent power running game but the Ron Dayne - crappy O-line combo did not work at all.

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    • Earthquake Enyart
      Legendary Zoner
      • Jul 2002
      • 27521

      #3
      Here are some more:

      Bill from Jersey :bigmike:
      Stubby from Tennesee :bigmike2:
      Big Bob from Yonkers :bigmike:
      Shirley from Temple :bigmike2:
      Dick from Albany :bigmike:
      Valerie from Poolesville :bigmike2:
      Claude from Quebec :bigmike:
      Jared from Subway :bigmike2:

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      • The Spaz
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        • Mar 2003
        • 19066

        #4

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        • Ebenezer
          Give me a minute...
          • Jul 2002
          • 73867

          #5
          ...sounds like a pedigree in medocrity!!

          you still want him??? Pass.




          For all the education and practice each of us undergoes, the achievment of mastery is ultimately the outcome of a personal quest for understanding.

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          • Ebenezer
            Give me a minute...
            • Jul 2002
            • 73867

            #6
            The key in your question is "this year"...Fassel has pissed on Giants fans since season #2...




            For all the education and practice each of us undergoes, the achievment of mastery is ultimately the outcome of a personal quest for understanding.

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            • justasportsfan
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              • Jul 2002
              • 71601

              #7
              the more I read about Fassel, the more I like Wies.
              sacrifice1
              https://theinterviewwithgod.com/video/

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              • Ebenezer
                Give me a minute...
                • Jul 2002
                • 73867

                #8
                Originally posted by justasportsfan
                the more I read about Fassel, the more I like Wies.
                the more I read about Fassel, the more I like Wys.




                For all the education and practice each of us undergoes, the achievment of mastery is ultimately the outcome of a personal quest for understanding.

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                • justasportsfan
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71601

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ebenezer


                  the more I read about Fassel, the more I like Wys.
                  No! He's a Drew basher.
                  sacrifice1
                  https://theinterviewwithgod.com/video/

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                  • Michael82
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 82328

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ebenezer
                    the more I read about Fassel, the more I like Wys.

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                    • Ebenezer
                      Give me a minute...
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 73867

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mike32282
                      ANSWER THE QUESTION!!

                      Originally posted by Ebenezer
                      you still want him???




                      For all the education and practice each of us undergoes, the achievment of mastery is ultimately the outcome of a personal quest for understanding.

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                      • Mr. Miyagi
                        Lecter's Little *****

                        • Sep 2002
                        • 53616

                        #12
                        What choice do we have? I'm not sold on Weis.

                        Haslett? Cottrell?

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                        • The Spaz
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                          • Mar 2003
                          • 19066

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
                          What choice do we have? I'm not sold on Weis.

                          Haslett? Cottrell?
                          I beleive it's down to Weiss and Fassell as of right now.

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                          • Michael82
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 82328

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ebenezer
                            ANSWER THE QUESTION!!
                            Not after reading this one. It sounds so much like Gregg Williams that I am going to be sick.

                            BufBill - : Exit 172 : 1/6 2:36 PM
                            Re: clock management. Here's one of many examples: With the score 35-35, he kicked the go-ahead field goal against the Cowboys this year with WAY too much time left (16 seconds or so). Everybody gets on Matt Bryant for kicking off out of bounds on the next play (and rightfully so), but why the heck did Fassel leave enough time on the clock to even let the Cowboys try to go downfield and tie it? The Giants should have kicked the go-ahead FG with 5 seconds left. The worst thing that would have happened was a missed FG and OT. Fassel screwed that up. Instead, the Giants let a sure win get away from them and it KILLED them psychologically.
                            As for penalties, the players were the ones who committed them, but you'd see the same penalties over and over after awhile -- false starts and holdings in the red zone that would push the Giants back into long FG range. Defensive players losing their composure and getting personal fouls when choking away a lead in the 4th quarter, etc.
                            and these two....

                            my take : giantfanboy : 1/6 2:30 PM
                            Pros: Great with QBs , his teams usually prepared to play, great December coach, great with overachieving teams, players respect him and usually play for him

                            Cons: special teams, tends to play not to lose, undiciplined teams doesn't have the great staff that a successful HC needs
                            BufBill1180 : BobOnLI : 1/6 2:31 PM
                            IMHO, JF's biggest deficiency was inability to delegate, he tried to do too much himself and was spread too thin and burned out. He is a bright enough man and he may have learned from his time with the Giants to avoid the same mistake

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                            • Mr. Miyagi
                              Lecter's Little *****

                              • Sep 2002
                              • 53616

                              #15
                              Originally posted by The Spaz


                              I beleive it's down to Weiss and Fassell as of right now.
                              That's unfortunate. I wish we had more options.

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