Best DE in draft??

[Kolbiss]

who is the best DE in the draft, Im not talking Chris Kelsay type, but a difference maker.

[DraftBoy]

DE Keneche Udezi out of USC

[The Spaz]

Kenechi Udeze

Height: 6-3 Weight: 277

[clumping platelets]

Absolutely.......Udeze.

:pray: he's available at #13

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
DE Keneche Udezi out of USC


Originally posted by The Spaz
Kenechi Udeze

Height: 6-3 Weight: 277


Originally posted by clumping platelets
Absolutely.......Udeze.

:pray: he's available at #13


agreed, agreed, agreed.

[ryguy8161]

How do you guys think he compares to Will Smith and where do you think Udeze will go in the draft?

[BillsMan80]

Udeze, but there are no difference makers in this draft. Udeze is the best of a weak bunch. I compare Udeze to a poor-man's Shaun Ellis.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by ryguy8161
How do you guys think he compares to Will Smith and where do you think Udeze will go in the draft?

I think Will Smith is a good player but more of a situational pass rusher or convert him to LB like the Ravens did with Terrell Suggs last year.

[BillsMan80]

Spaz, you pegged Will Smith right no, a situational pass rusher. And like I have been saying, this year's DE crop is WEAK, and lacks a difference maker.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by BillsMan80
Spaz, you pegged Will Smith right no, a situational pass rusher. And like I have been saying, this year's DE crop is WEAK, and lacks a difference maker.

Why thank you!:biggrin:

[BillsMan80]

NP, in fact, I think I'd be accurate in saying that the past few DE classes have been weak, and this year is no different.

[lordofgun]

billsman80:holdhand:Spaz

[BillsMan80]

When it comes to the draft, great minds think alike:D.

[ArcticWildMan]

Holiday Inn has room specials right now ;)

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by ArcticWildMan
Holiday Inn has room specials right now ;)

Oh I thought you didn't check out yet.:snicker:

[BillsMan80]

Nah, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[Kolbiss]

Can we get him, should we.

[ArcticWildMan]

Originally posted by The Spaz


Oh I thought you didn't check out yet.:snicker:


:mad:

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by ArcticWildMan



:mad:

:club: :dink:

[BillsMan80]

Originally posted by danny4804
Can we get him, should we.

I am not reallly sure, because I am not sold on any DE in the draft. I don't think any of them are difference makers. It all depends on what's left.

[BillsMan80]

It all depends what WRs are left, Winslow, etc., when we pick.

[justasportsfan]

No Julius Peppers in the draft, I'll pass on DE's then and get one via FA. Anything else is another Kelsay.

[DraftBoy]

Udezi is better than Kelsay by far and if we were to trade down to near 18-20 and take him I would be elated. Hes like Schoebel in so many ways but better at rushing the passer. Hes better than Will Smith thats for sure.

[juice]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
Udezi is better than Kelsay by far and if we were to trade down to near 18-20 and take him I would be elated. Hes like Schoebel in so many ways but better at rushing the passer. Hes better than Will Smith thats for sure.

Better than Schoebel? He is untested at this level.

[Kolbiss]

schobel is good, but not great, we need someone who commands double teams every time, with that schobel will have Adewale Ogunleye numbers or better. Adewale Ogunleye only had the numbers because of Taylor. We need that

[Kolbiss]

schobel and kearse!!!!

[BillsMan80]

There are no DE's in this draft that command double teams. Overall, it's a weak DE class, so I think we cannot afford to take a DE this year in the draft, in the sense that they all are risks.

[Kolbiss]

you are probably right!!
Originally posted by BillsMan80
There are no DE's in this draft that command double teams. Overall, it's a weak DE class, so I think we cannot afford to take a DE this year in the draft, in the sense that they all are risks.

you are probably right!![

[ArcticWildMan]

Log's gonna be mad at you. You top and bottom quoted in the same reply. :eek:


:couch:

[lordofgun]

:mad:

[Kolbiss]

Originally posted by ArcticWildMan
Log's gonna be mad at you. You top and bottom quoted in the same reply. :eek:


:couch:


??? SO

[Kolbiss]

and that is bad because??????

[ArcticWildMan]

It's a standing joke with Log. :D

[Kolbiss]

oh!

[Kolbiss]

sorry log

Originally posted by ArcticWildMan
It's a standing joke with Log. :D

sorry log

[Kolbiss]

:peace:

[ArcticWildMan]

:snicker:

[Tatonka]

udeze does have the chance to be a difference maker imho.. because he is a junior.. he will still get stronger and learn more moves.. he is relatively green, but he also has alot more potential than all the other guys.. i would not fret if we got him..

the best comparison i can make is to albert haynesworth... he was drafted so high really on potential to play great, even though his college stats were good but not outstanding.. and though i did not want him at the time, he has become very good.

udeze had 16.5 sacks last year.. but if he came back for his senior year, he could have broken 20 imho.

[TigerJ]

Four months ago it was David Pollack. Unfortunately he had a mediocre junior season and decided to stay in school another year. Then it was Will Smith. He wasn't quite as productive as hoped, so he has fallen out of favor of late. He's still a pretty good DE. I don't think he's as much of a tweener type as some make him out to be. I think he is a true DE and played at about 260. He's supposed to be strong for his size. Udeze is the current hot commodity because he had a very good junior season with 16.5 sacks. He's a bit shorter than Smith but has a lot more body mass. Different sources report his weight anywhere from 275 to 285. He is not real fast in the 40 which is why he's not considered in the same class as Julius Peppers when he was drafted. It will be interesting to see if he can up his speed by the combine. I agree there is no compelling reason to drool over any DE in the draft. If there is no receiver who is a good value at #13 and Winslow is gone, then TD might consider Udeze. Or he might trade down.
There may be some OK DEs available later in the draft, guys like Jason Babin.

[elltrain22]

1. Udeze ( clearly the best, and will be a good DE )

2. Will Smith ( good player from good system, puts alot pressure on QB's )

3. Antawn Odom- alabama ( good size, great speed, and good athletism )

[SABURZFAN]

i wouldn't waste a 1st rounder on a DE in this draft.

[Kolbiss]

What about an o-lineman

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by elltrain22
3. Antawn Odom- alabama ( good size, great speed, and good athletism )


you forgot to add that he is a perenial underperformer.

[Tatonka]

also.. another thing that comes to mind when describing udeze.. abnormally long arms.. wing span..

you know what i thought of when i heard that?

[Dozerdog]

Yao Ming?
:idunno:

[Tatonka]

kearse

[Bmax]

Will Smith......udeze had a better year .. but i think smith will be the better pro. Remember bruce only weighed 265 in his prime


Bmax

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Bmax
Will Smith......udeze had a better year .. but i think smith will be the better pro. Remember bruce only weighed 265 in his prime


Bmax

Bruce Smith was concidered fat and out of shape when we drafted him too. That whole Ohio State defensive line is great so you have to wonder who is the biggest contributing factor on it.

[TigerJ]

There will be three Ohio State Linemen drafted, probably all three by the fifth round.

[R. Rich]

Originally posted by Bmax
Will Smith......udeze had a better year .. but i think smith will be the better pro. Remember bruce only weighed 265 in his prime


Bmax

And players continue to get bigger and faster. How many 330lb OL were around when Bruce was here? Now every team has a few OL that are near or over 330. I believe Smith will be a good player in the NFL, but he may also be better suited at LB (like Boulware and Suggs in Baltimore) where his size and athleticism will cause matchup problems and work more in his favor than against him.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by R. Rich


And players continue to get bigger and faster. How many 330lb OL were around when Bruce was here? Now every team has a few OL that are near or over 330. I believe Smith will be a good player in the NFL, but he may also be better suited at LB (like Boulware and Suggs in Baltimore) where his size and athleticism will cause matchup problems and work more in his favor than against him.

:up::beer:

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Bruce Smith was concidered fat and out of shape when we drafted him too. That whole Ohio State defensive line is great so you have to wonder who is the biggest contributing factor on it.

smith was 300lbs when he was drafted.. it is hilarious to look at rookie cards of his.. he was a porker.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka


smith was 300lbs when he was drafted.. it is hilarious to look at rookie cards of his.. he was a porker.

Exactly that's why the comparison of Will Smith and Bruce Smith is wrong.

[jchild178]

so do we take udeze, a WR, or a QB in the first round???

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by jchild178
so do we take udeze, a WR, or a QB in the first round???

Whoever the Bills think will have more of an impact I guess.

[jchild178]

true

[Kolbiss]

it has to be a de or wr