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  • superbills
    Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 1170

    Rivers vs. Losman

    I was loooking on ESPN at some notes from Scouts, Inc and found some very interesting observations in some of the passing drills between Losman and Rivers, two guys who have been talked about a lot here recently. Here's some info from Thursday's workout:

    Philip Rivers:
    Thursday (1/22/04): Rivers was the most consistent of the
    three North quarterbacks on passing drills this afternoon. He
    doesn't get the RPMs on the deep out route that J.P. Losman
    does, but he throws a heavier ball that actually might fare
    better in adverse conditions. A guy like Losman, who played
    most of his college career in a dome, gets great zip on his
    throws, which enables his ball to get to the spot quicker when
    there isn't wind to deal with. But Rivers puts more "thrust"
    into his throws, which results in less rotations, but also
    keeps the nose of the ball steady and allows it to cut through
    the wind better. With all that said, Rivers doesn't have the
    same velocity on his deep out passes, but he shows adequate
    arm strength and better-than-average accuracy. He also shows a
    much better ability to throw a change-up on shorter touch
    routes than Losman does. Matt Schaub threw the most accurate
    underneath routes in drills, but Rivers was a close second and
    Losman was a distant third.


    J.P. Losman
    Thursday (1/22/04):
    Losman had some ups and downs in what was
    an afternoon dedicated to a lot of passing drills. He, Phillip
    Rivers and Matt Schaub spent a lot of time in individual
    drills with their quarterback coach trying to hit spots on
    different throws. Losman showed the best velocity on the deep
    out passes (15-20 yards from the middle of the field to the
    sideline) and he was perfectly accurate on all but one of his
    attempts. However, when the three quarterbacks worked on
    shorter seven-yard out routes, Losman struggled a little bit
    more. It seems as if Losman has trouble making precise throws.
    He doesn't show great touch underneath, and he still has some
    work to do in terms of changing his velocity.


    So, if for sake of argument, you have to make a decision between these 2 guys, give me Rivers hands down. The last thing we need is another Bledsoe clone who has no touch on short-to-medium routes. If Rivers can throw accurate, short passes and can throw in the wind, he may be the ideal candidate to play in the Buffalo climate. Long passes depend so much on the receiver going after the ball, I'm willing to give up some skill in that area, rather than risk having a QB who can throw the ball a mile, but wigs out with the short stuff. Comments? :)

    Link to the info: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/featur...niorbowl/index
    "The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
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    40th president of US (1911 - 2004)
  • The Natrix
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 7305

    #2
    O yeah, Rivers over Losman anyday.



    Byrd.

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    • THATHURMANATOR
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 69112

      #3
      I like Rivers.

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      • TigerJ
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 22575

        #4
        The Great Blue North Report also has Senior Bowl practice notes and gives a different perspective:



        Still, I think the discussion is academic. I think Losman is likely to be drafted late in the first round or too early in the second for Buffalo. I don't think Rivers is the most likely pick of the Bills in round 2, but if he is taken, that's OK by me.
        I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

        I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.

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        • SABURZFAN
          short bus extraordinaire
          • Jul 2002
          • 50747

          #5
          i like rivers over losman.for some reason,i'm not sold on losman.
          Originally posted by yordad
          Christ, you are the queerest person in the history of Bills fanhood. I swear to god I would stomp you.

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          • Tatonka
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 21289

            #6
            i will take either and be happy.

            losman has scrambling abilities that rivers does.. although rivers is mobile... he is more of a mobile to get a 5 yard gain type guy.. losman is a mobile to get a first down and some big gains type guy.
            "All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity." ~ Gordie Howe

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            • Winfield_26
              Administrator
              • Jul 2002
              • 107452

              #7
              Ill take JP over Phillip b.c of the ability to break a play with his feet, and everything ive read has said his arm is amazingly accurate and powerful, while Ive read Rivers accuracy has looked a little shaky.
              COMING SOON...
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              We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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              • superbills
                Registered User
                • Mar 2003
                • 1170

                #8
                Maybe Ingtar can shed some light on this because it looks like we have two "schools of thought" on how these guys are performing during this week.

                Tatonka's and Tiger J's reports (great reads by the way)have really been favoring Losman, but the Scouts, Inc. reports have Losman struggling and Rivers excelling. Maybe I'm comparing Apples to Oranges and the simple fact of the matter is one weakness for one guy is the other guy's strength and it comes down to what strengths you are looking for. Anyway, I know Losman can move and that's fantastic, I would love to see that from our next QB. But, if the Scouts, Inc. reports are accurate, then I can't help but have visions of Bledsoe missing guys wide open 5 yeards down the field. That scares me.
                "The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
                Ronald Reagan
                40th president of US (1911 - 2004)

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                • NC-BILLS44
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 1281

                  #9
                  I want the best FOOTBALL player. I could care less if one is better than the other at throwing deep balls, in a 2 mph swirling wind, at night, from a grass field, on 1st down with 8 minutes left in the first quarter.

                  Sometimes people, including scouts and posters over think things. Let's just get the best "player".

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                  • superbills
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1170

                    #10
                    Point taken NC, but I think they're both going to be great "football players". We're talking about a point of delination between 2 "football players". How else can you decide between these 2, obviously talented, quarterbacks without considering potential weaknesses? I agree with you wholeheartedly that we need guys who can just go out and play the game and be the best player. But, how can you decide who that is without evaluating how that guy will fit into your system and situation. It's a fine line betweeen just throwing your hat out there and hoping for hte best and over-evaluating someone to the point where no one looks good to you. The point of all this is to just throw it out there for folks to ponder...

                    I think we need to consider how Losman or Rivers fits into our football scheme and whether a guy who potentially has some of the same shortcomings as the current guy is something to be concerned about.
                    "The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
                    Ronald Reagan
                    40th president of US (1911 - 2004)

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                    • ebill00
                      Registered User
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 40

                      #11
                      The name "Losman" to me sounds to close to "loseman". What about Josh Harris?

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                      • Ice_Cube
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 61

                        #12
                        JP Losman. Phillip Rivers has terrible mechics that will NOT work in the NFL.

                        PS - JP won't get pass the TOP 10 of the 2nd round. The bad teams in the NFL usually don't have QBs....

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                        • NC-BILLS44
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 1281

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Winfield_26
                          Ill take JP over Phillip b.c of the ability to break a play with his feet, and everything ive read has said his arm is amazingly accurate and powerful, while Ive read Rivers accuracy has looked a little shaky.

                          WHAT???? You must have typed it , then read it. Rivers completed of 70% of his passes this year!!!!! Shaky? I think not!!!

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                          • NC-BILLS44
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 1281

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ice_Cube
                            JP Losman. Phillip Rivers has terrible mechics that will NOT work in the NFL.

                            PS - JP won't get pass the TOP 10 of the 2nd round. The bad teams in the NFL usually don't have QBs....
                            Results, Results, Results.

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                            • Dozerdog
                              In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

                              Administrator Emeritus
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 42586

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ice_Cube
                              JP Losman. Phillip Rivers has terrible mechics that will NOT work in the NFL.

                              PS - JP won't get pass the TOP 10 of the 2nd round. The bad teams in the NFL usually don't have QBs....

                              Let's Examine-

                              1) San Diego- Either they draft Manning, or stay with Brees. They are not going to go with another 2nd round QB. If they stay with Brees, they will go after secondary help and an alternative weapon on offense other than LT. Boston was a dissapointment. Their OL was a disaster as well.

                              2) Oakland- Again lots of holes, Need a gamebreaking WR- might go after Big Ben, if not possibly a 2nd round QB- or they will go with Gannon/Tuiassisopo- who did look very good the short time he was in there. Almost beat the Chiefs on MNF.

                              3) Cards Need a QB - although Josh McCown did come on strong- have a lot of holes to fill on defense

                              4) Giants- too many holes to fill to waste first 2 picks on a QB

                              5)Redskins- Have Ramsey

                              6)Lions- Have Harrington

                              7)Browns- Have 2 QBs already- no need for a 3rd

                              8) Falcons- Vick

                              9) Jax- Leftwitch

                              10)Houston- Carr

                              11)Steelers- Need a QB


                              12) Jets- Pennington


                              Later in the draft you have Miami, Dallas, Green Bay who might draft a QB. Miami might be the only one desperate enough to get one in the 1st round.

                              I think in the first 45 picks, the Bills will see 3 QBs off the board. Manning, Big Ben, and either Rivers/Loseman

                              So you have

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