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Ingtar pmed me some info the other day, and i wanted to get his permission to post it first... but here you go.
Tatonka wrote on 01-21-2004 08:28 AM:
if you think those are the guys we go after, i would think we should try and trade down. thanks for the info though! mind if i post it for others to read?
if you think those are the guys we go after, i would think we should try and trade down. thanks for the info though! mind if i post it for others to read?
Ingtar33 wrote on Today 01:32 AM:
WR is not what i would call a "need" position for this team, but then again not many places in this lineup really qualify as a need either.
I think my NEED list for the Bills would work like this...
1) RG
2) Center
3) LE
4) FS
5) WR/TE
6) QB
Now simply put, there is a very remote chance one of the Williams will fall to the Bills... i don' think any Bills fans will be particularly enamored with them as they are not the image of "deep threat" WRs... in fact they are almost clones of Keyshawn Johnson... big possession types (though Roy Williams does strike me as more of an Eric Moulds type, though he doesn't really have the deep ball skills to stand out in the fashion EM does).
My listing of the WRs right now would be...
Larry Fitzgerald (think Marvin Harrison)
Roy Williams (think Eric Moulds)
Reggie Williams (think Keyshawn Johnson)
Lee Evans (think P.Price, though with better hands)
Michael Clayton (sort of a lesser version of Roy Williams)
now... when the Bills draft it will be very unlikely Fitzgerald or the two Williams will be available... and frankly both Evans and Clayton are not good enough to go this high.
Good pickups would be...
OG/OT - Vernon Carey (Miami) : a 350-370~ish natural, who could play any position on the line and excel in the NFL (except maybe center). He's a mauling run blocker, and a decent pass blocker as a tackle, and a potential all pro as a guard. He reminds me of a bigger version of R.Brown, and could be a perennial probowler on the inside... definitely worth the 13th pick, though we could likely get him as far back as 25, i just get shivers thinking of him lining up next to M.Williams.
Center - Jake Grove (VT) : a 300 pound mauler who reminds me of Jon Runyan... very tough, very mean, sort of dirty. He should go in round one, though 13 might be a bit high. Will be a very good center for years to come in the NFL. This is the type of player you can build an o-line around, and the type of man everyone wants in their locker room... his teammates love him because he'll go to bat for any of them, to the point he even got ejected during a college game while defending a teammate. We could trade down 7 or so spots and pick him up easy... and I'd call that a fantastic first round pick.
DE - Kenechi Udeze (USC) : he could step right in and start at LE with little difficulty, large, strong and fast... the trick with him will be this. If he is outstanding in the combines he'll go in the top ten... maybe even jumping over Will Smith. Of all the DE's in the draft this is the only one i'd seriously consider taking at 13 as smith really is too small.
TE - Ben Troupe (Fla) : KW likely will be gone by pick 13, and while i'd be tempted to drop back to 17 or so before drafting troupe, he'll make a team very happy. Think Ben Coates when you think Troupe... basically an identical player... identical size... and about the same athleticism. He might not turn out to be a hall of famer, but he will turn out some pro bowl years.
Now i know you're thinking QBs... frankly, no QB should be drafted in the first round except Ben and Eli, and both of them will go in the top 5 picks... possibly in pick 1 and 2. Due to he way the draft works and out needs on the OL and elsewhere, plus the downside of rookie QBs, I don't see us even looking at QBs until maybe round 3 or 4. When you get down to that point your Rivers and the like will likely (possibly) be drafted already, however there are many QBs who might be available who would be worth a look. Foremost of whom would be Casey Clausen, who really shouldn't go before pick 3, but who has every tangible a successful NFL QB should have... to such an extent he actually reminds me a bit of Brady... only much better (Brady doesn't have the arm, nor the mobility Clausen does). Brady went in round 6, i can't see Clausen going later than 4...
Tatonka wrote on Yesterday 11:54 PM:
how goes it?
you need to hang around more.. busy at work lately?
dying for some draft insight..
quick question.. gimmy your top 5 wrs.. any that you think could make an immediate impact? seen a lot of mocks lately having us take a wr.. ugh.. not tops on my list.. but MM likes to use 3 wrs for sure.
how goes it?
you need to hang around more.. busy at work lately?
dying for some draft insight..
quick question.. gimmy your top 5 wrs.. any that you think could make an immediate impact? seen a lot of mocks lately having us take a wr.. ugh.. not tops on my list.. but MM likes to use 3 wrs for sure.
WR is not what i would call a "need" position for this team, but then again not many places in this lineup really qualify as a need either.
I think my NEED list for the Bills would work like this...
1) RG
2) Center
3) LE
4) FS
5) WR/TE
6) QB
Now simply put, there is a very remote chance one of the Williams will fall to the Bills... i don' think any Bills fans will be particularly enamored with them as they are not the image of "deep threat" WRs... in fact they are almost clones of Keyshawn Johnson... big possession types (though Roy Williams does strike me as more of an Eric Moulds type, though he doesn't really have the deep ball skills to stand out in the fashion EM does).
My listing of the WRs right now would be...
Larry Fitzgerald (think Marvin Harrison)
Roy Williams (think Eric Moulds)
Reggie Williams (think Keyshawn Johnson)
Lee Evans (think P.Price, though with better hands)
Michael Clayton (sort of a lesser version of Roy Williams)
now... when the Bills draft it will be very unlikely Fitzgerald or the two Williams will be available... and frankly both Evans and Clayton are not good enough to go this high.
Good pickups would be...
OG/OT - Vernon Carey (Miami) : a 350-370~ish natural, who could play any position on the line and excel in the NFL (except maybe center). He's a mauling run blocker, and a decent pass blocker as a tackle, and a potential all pro as a guard. He reminds me of a bigger version of R.Brown, and could be a perennial probowler on the inside... definitely worth the 13th pick, though we could likely get him as far back as 25, i just get shivers thinking of him lining up next to M.Williams.
Center - Jake Grove (VT) : a 300 pound mauler who reminds me of Jon Runyan... very tough, very mean, sort of dirty. He should go in round one, though 13 might be a bit high. Will be a very good center for years to come in the NFL. This is the type of player you can build an o-line around, and the type of man everyone wants in their locker room... his teammates love him because he'll go to bat for any of them, to the point he even got ejected during a college game while defending a teammate. We could trade down 7 or so spots and pick him up easy... and I'd call that a fantastic first round pick.
DE - Kenechi Udeze (USC) : he could step right in and start at LE with little difficulty, large, strong and fast... the trick with him will be this. If he is outstanding in the combines he'll go in the top ten... maybe even jumping over Will Smith. Of all the DE's in the draft this is the only one i'd seriously consider taking at 13 as smith really is too small.
TE - Ben Troupe (Fla) : KW likely will be gone by pick 13, and while i'd be tempted to drop back to 17 or so before drafting troupe, he'll make a team very happy. Think Ben Coates when you think Troupe... basically an identical player... identical size... and about the same athleticism. He might not turn out to be a hall of famer, but he will turn out some pro bowl years.
Now i know you're thinking QBs... frankly, no QB should be drafted in the first round except Ben and Eli, and both of them will go in the top 5 picks... possibly in pick 1 and 2. Due to he way the draft works and out needs on the OL and elsewhere, plus the downside of rookie QBs, I don't see us even looking at QBs until maybe round 3 or 4. When you get down to that point your Rivers and the like will likely (possibly) be drafted already, however there are many QBs who might be available who would be worth a look. Foremost of whom would be Casey Clausen, who really shouldn't go before pick 3, but who has every tangible a successful NFL QB should have... to such an extent he actually reminds me a bit of Brady... only much better (Brady doesn't have the arm, nor the mobility Clausen does). Brady went in round 6, i can't see Clausen going later than 4...
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