Tatonka's Mock draft peanut gallery thread

[Dozerdog]

Let's keep the draft thread clean

[Dozerdog]

C'mon Winfield!!!!!! I ain't got all day!!:D

[Tatonka]

good idea.. smarty mod.

[Tatonka]

Talk shop here.. make your picks HERE

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38069

[Dozerdog]

Look at me- I'm drafting what- late 20"s? I'll be lucky to pick before the game starts Sunday

[The Spaz]

Buffalo is looking to move down possibly so if you want to move up it will cost you a 2nd round pick!

[Tatonka]

rofl.. winfield's PM box is full.. hope it is not because 20 people just PMed him to tell him he is up.. rofl.

[BillsOverDolphins]

come on...while we're young....

[The Spaz]

:madcurse:

[Dozerdog]

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[BillsOverDolphins]

is that eminem?...rofl

[The Spaz]

****ing bump:madcurse:

[ShadowHawk7]

now THATS disturbing...

[Tatonka]

ok guys.. obviously, Winfield went out for the night, assuming that we wouldnt fill all the spots.. lets just start this tomorrow afternoon.

sorry for the delay.

[DraftBoy]

I picked impatient bastards

[ShadowHawk7]

:lol: Impatient bastards? Atta way to lite it up Winny!

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
I picked impatient bastards

**** you!:beer:

[DraftBoy]

How you like the Fitzy pick, and if you think that was funky wait till you see my ARZ pick...

[ShadowHawk7]

Da First 2 picks r done! Fitz goes to dem Chargers while Manning goes to Oakland... Looks like we're done for today.

[DraftBoy]

nah Gallery off the board too!!

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
nah Gallery off the board too!!

Wow!!!!!:dizzy:

[ShadowHawk7]

Wut the... Arizona picks Robert Gallery?? And i thought we were done for the day... interesting. Ryjam is up.

[The Spaz]

Ryjam282 your up and make it snappy!:up:

[Tatonka]

wow... gallery is gonna be great too. i dont know enough about arizona's OL to know if that is a need pick, but it would be crazy to see things start off like that!

[ryjam282]

My pick is done...Too bad Gallery went before me. I guess I have to take the next available STUD..

[The Spaz]

I thought arizona's o-line is solid but whatever!:up:

[The Spaz]

I thought Arizona needed a QB or another WR but to take a WR there woudl be too high.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by ryjam282
My pick is done...Too bad Gallery went before me. I guess I have to take the next available STUD..

where is your pick?

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka


where is your pick?

Good question and he logged off nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by The Spaz
I thought Arizona needed a QB or another WR but to take a WR there woudl be too high.

gallery is definately worth the pick that high... arizona could be happy with blake, who played well.. and they have mcnoun who finished up pretty good as well.

[Tatonka]

good pick ry. had my fingers crossed that he got down to cleveland.

[The Spaz]

Arizona hasn't has premier QB in years and they still won't. Well they'll be picking this high again next year.:lol:

[Tatonka]

BillsoverDolfins emailed me.

The redskins take -

Vincent Wilfork - DT from University of Miami!

wow.. while wilfolk was considered the best DT going into the year, harris has played ok as well. but ot be honest.. i think i would take wilfolk over harris as well.

[The Spaz]

Wow another shocker but it is a need!:)

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Arizona hasn't has premier QB in years and they still won't. Well they'll be picking this high again next year.:lol:


blake and mcnown were not the reason they lost games last yearh though. blake played his tail off.. and so did all their young WRs..

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka



blake and mcnown were not the reason they lost games last yearh though. blake played his tail off.. and so did all their young WRs..

You don't pass up a premier QB especially when you need one and especially when your the Cardinals.

[superbills]

Ugh! For God's sakes we went through this last year when speculating about this guy. His name is WILFORK! Like the utensil. you're driving us Hurricanes fans crazy!!!:pow:

[ShadowHawk7]

yea, wut kinda pick was that, Winny? Ure supposed to make picks that make sense, the Card's o-line is actually quite decent.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by superbills
Ugh! For God's sakes we went through this last year when speculating about this guy. His name is WILFORK! Like the utensil. you're driving us Hurricanes fans crazy!!!:pow:

sorry about that.. i will correct it.


Originally posted by ShadowHawk7
yea, wut kinda pick was that, Winny? Ure supposed to make picks that make sense, the Card's o-line is actually quite decent.

i dont think it is as bad a pick as your making it seem.. just because the public thinks they SHOULD take a qb.. doesnt mean it is the right or good pick.. i just did some research and blake was sacked alot.. he also got knocked out for the season because of lack of protection. it is a smart, conservative pick.. the likelyhood gallery is being an impact lineman is good.. the likelyhood of a top pick qb performing like one is slim.

[superbills]

Originally posted by Tatonka
[B]

sorry about that.. i will correct it.



Thank you :biggrin:

[The Spaz]

Buffalo is looking to move down possibly so if you want to move up it will cost you a 2nd round pick!

[lordofgun]

Originally posted by Tatonka
good pick ry. had my fingers crossed that he got down to cleveland.

:calm: It's just a mock. :snicker:

[gonzo1105]

San Fran is lookin to trade down .......cost ya a second pm me if interested

[Michael82]

I would not be surprised at a pick like Gallery going to Arizona. Remember, it's the Cardinals! :snicker:

[Tatonka]

crucial pick for the lions. i see most ALL mocks have them taking taylor.. they really have a huge need for a guy like jackson..


or they could have gone a different direction and hoped for greg jones or perry to fall to early second.

[DraftBoy]

Ill defend my pick of Gallery by saying this...McCown showed real heart out there last season especially orchestrating that game winning drive vs. Vikings. Poole, Boldin, and Johnson make for a very solid WR core. I would have gone RB, but Jackson was a reach at 3, and no other RB even was considered. I want to protect my QB this year and its also not too late to take a QB. I dont like either Manning of Big Ben for either of these teams, Id prefer to wait and take players as I need them. Shadow Hawk I dont think you saw many Cards games if you think they were decent. They had no pocket to speak of and the running game was horrid, look for Gallery to be a bookend with Davis for years to come...btw I also know what Im doing and this makes perfect sense for the Cardinals

[DraftBoy]

btw Arizona would love to jump back into the 1st round, later in it. My pm box is apparently full and I dont know how to empty it, so if somebody could advise me Id be happy.

[Dozerdog]

There are check boxes next to your messages. Check off the ones you want to delete , then at the bottom ther eis a delete button. Click that, and all messages with a check mark get deleted.

Do the same with your sent messages- out box

[The Spaz]

The Cardinals offensive line is pretty good IMO they have 2 top draft choices starting for them in L.J. Shelton and AnLeonard Davis. Anthony Clement is a pretty decent RT as well. They also signed Pete Kendall as a FA last year who is alos decent. If amything they need a center.

[DraftBoy]

then explain to me how they lost Blake nearly every game to an injury from getting hit and why they had 0 running game. Shelton is a G, and was moved to OT because of lack of guys and because Kendall was signed. Clement is nothing special. Now the line looks like this:

Gallery-Davis-OC-Kendall-Shelton

So much better and more formidable. Even if I took Ben, I wouldnt have polayed him behind the line before this. The games are won and lost in the trenches, always remeber that.

[The Spaz]

He got sacked a lot because they didn't have a running game. Also Shelton was drafted as a OT. Aparrantly they have Kendall listed as their starting center too. Leornard Davis plays RG. See you in the 2005 draft when you'll be drafting top 5 again.:snicker::beer:

[DraftBoy]

Wanna bet on that?

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
Wanna bet on that?

On which part?

[DraftBoy]

Ill bet you ZB's Arizona is either near the playoffs or below the 10th pick next season in the 2005 draft

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
Ill bet you ZB's Arizona is either near the playoffs or below the 10th pick next season in the 2005 draft

There's a lot of leeway on your part both ways. Pick a specific # that they will be above. Once you do that I will see how they do in the daft and free agency.:up:

[DraftBoy]

Ok I say they will finish good enough to have th #11 overall pick of better in the 2005 NFL Draft, and no waiting past FA and all that. Im not getting to see it, so why should you? Take it or Leave it...Btw this is fun, since nobody is picking

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
Ok I say they will finish good enough to have th #11 overall pick of better in the 2005 NFL Draft, and no waiting past FA and all that. Im not getting to see it, so why should you? Take it or Leave it...Btw this is fun, since nobody is picking

Ok 1000 ZB's. They have an up and coming team but still no QB or RB. Also teams will know that Boldin is ther main weapon and key on him.

Also anyone participating in this mock draft make your damn picks immediately.:snicker:

[DraftBoy]

I got a QB in McCown and I think they'll take a RB too.

[The Spaz]

Still no QB!:snicker:

[DraftBoy]

McCown has what it takes I believe, strong arm, accurate, can throw on the run and run with the ball. Give him a solid line and a RB and this team could be scary

[The Spaz]

Well he has a line but Emmitt is washed uo and who knows what ship will do at least on a consistent basis.

[elltrain22]

Arizona will take Rothlethisberg, and they will reep the rewards, b/c this guy might be the best qb in the whole draft. I really don't see them taking anyone else, even though Gallery seems like a sure fit NFL pro bowl type o linemen.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Ok 1000 ZB's. They have an up and coming team but still no QB or RB. Also teams will know that Boldin is ther main weapon and key on him.

Also anyone participating in this mock draft make your damn picks immediately.:snicker:

wow.. marcell shipp is a very decent rb imho..

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka


wow.. marcell shipp is a very decent rb imho..

He could be but he really hasn't seen full time duty. That's why I said he has yet be consistent.

[Dozerdog]

Shipp is a great back- I can never understand why the Cards continue to bury him.

I had the pleasur eof watching him play at UMASS, (My wife works there) leading them to a national title (1-AA)

He's played behind Jones, Pittman, and this season , Emmit Smith. But every chance he's had to start, he has monster games. H wrecked San fran in one meeti ng this year. I liked him so much I drafted him in my FFL, and just on schedule, when my other backs began to hit the Bye weeks, Smith got hurt. Shipp had some great games for me.


If they gave him a shot full time, they could go places.

[DraftBoy]

Thats why I placed my bet with Spaz, I know Green is gonna give Shipp the chance to start with the Cards.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
Ill bet you ZB's Arizona is either near the playoffs or below the 10th pick next season in the 2005 draft


Until Bill Bidwell dies they will continue to suck.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green



Until Bill Bidwell dies they will continue to suck.

That's what I'm saying!

[Tatonka]

man.. i wish ghost would get in here.. i have my pick ready and jacksonvilles as well.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka
man.. i wish ghost would get in here.. i have my pick ready and jacksonvilles as well.

Yarrrggghhhh!!:mad::madcurse:

[Tatonka]

HinTexas is up... !

[mypoorfriendme]

doesnt look like hell be choosing any time soon, this may take a while :shakeno:

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by mypoorfriendme
doesnt look like hell be choosing any time soon, this may take a while :shakeno:

i have pmed him and emailed him.. he is online right now, but probably away from his computer.. it is a saturday.. so people are not going to be around all day.. might have been easier to do in the week, but we will just keep chugging along.

[Dozerdog]

Not to say this draft is going poorly- we just started.

But for all "official" Billszone Mocks we will run in the future, we will probably stick to last year's formula.

Put all the teams out there with specific draft times.
SD- 8 AM
OAK- 8:30
AZ- 9:00
NYG- 9:30 ...and so on. With 32 teams it runs 8 AM through midnight- you don't pick a team to draft for unless you agree on the time slot.

Another way to do a quickie is get 8 dedicated guys - and give them an entire division to draft for. That way you aren't chasing guys down. You could do a 3 round mock in the time it takes to do a FFL draft

[mypoorfriendme]

im game for whatever we decide to do. its too easy to assume youre not on the clock yet and stuff. because some 5 picks will take 10 minutes and then one pick can take 8 hours....kinda like last years draft

[Tatonka]

sorry i didnt make it more organized like that.. but hell.. it is the offseason..if it takes a week, oh well.. we are gonna be sitting around on the message boards anyways.. lol

[HenryRules]

If the draft went like this one has so far ... I'd be praying my hardest that we trade up the 3 spots to grab Ben. Getting him for #10 money ... man that would be sweet.

[DraftBoy]

I still think Oakland goofed when they took Eli over Ben. Had Eli still been on the board he would be falling farther than Ben will. Ben wont get past Spaz at 13 assuming he falls past Pit at 11. This is a mock draft though and anything can happen. As of right now Big Ben is falling faster than Enron stock

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
I still think Oakland goofed when they took Eli over Ben. Had Eli still been on the board he would be falling farther than Ben will. Ben wont get past Spaz at 13 assuming he falls past Pit at 11. This is a mock draft though and anything can happen. As of right now Big Ben is falling faster than Enron stock

Yeah, Pitt's the only reason that I'd be wishing we'd trade up ... if it was someone else at 11 and Ben was available at #10 ... I'd think that he'd probably fall to us.

Strange things always happen at the draft though ... and I'm hoping/praying that this year, one of Manning, Ben, Taylor, Winslow end up falling down to us. Somebody from the top bunch is gonna fall to where we are and I just hope it's someone we can use.

[Tatonka]

pitt would DEFINATELY grab ben.

[DraftBoy]

well we know they will in real life, my question is will they in this draft.

[HenryRules]

Just a hypothetical, and I don't really know the answer myself ... but would you be willing to trade more to move up 3 spots and grab Ben R. than you would be to move up 8 or so spots and grab him?

Thing is, taking him at #10, he gives you a much better cap # for the next 5 years than he does if you grab him at #5, so while you're moving up less spots, in a sense, you're actually getting a better product.

[SABURZFAN]

does it surprise anybody that The Spaz has emailed me?:snicker2:

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
does it surprise anybody that The Spaz has emailed me?:snicker2:

That's a good deal man get back to me!:up:

[SABURZFAN]

just waiting for Texas to get it in gear.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
just waiting for Texas to get it in gear.

:beer:

:shout: HinTexas!

[DraftBoy]

I feel another executive decision neccessary

[SABURZFAN]

i'm on the computer for another 2 1/2 hours until i got to go to work.not to mention that there should be some intense negotiations between me and Spaz.grab a snickers bar boys.we're not going anywhere for a while.

[Dozerdog]

:rofl:

[Tatonka]

i cant make an executive decision, becuase, this move could be very important.. especially w/ the trade that has been offered to him.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
i'm on the computer for another 2 1/2 hours until i got to go to work.not to mention that there should be some intense negotiations between me and Spaz.grab a snickers bar boys.we're not going anywhere for a while.

:hungry::up:

[Tatonka]

in the jacksonville case, he specifically emailed me and said i want this guy if he is there.. and his first choice was there in both cases.

[Dozerdog]

I hope you leave your pick before ya go saburz

[Tatonka]

what do you guys think?

if i am texas.. i grab tommy harris.. no question.. their line was killed this year. they need a DT bad.. and i would probably do the trade w/ buffalo, because harris would not get taken by the steelers.. they would go for a RB more than likely.. or some other spot..

should i accept the trade offer from spaz for hintexas? or just take harris?

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka
what do you guys think?

if i am texas.. i grab tommy harris.. no question.. their line was killed this year. they need a DT bad.. and i would probably do the trade w/ buffalo, because harris would not get taken by the steelers.. they would go for a RB more than likely.. or some other spot..

should i accept the trade offer from spaz for hintexas? or just take harris?

Do the trade like you said they will still be able to get Tommie Harris at my spot.:up::beer:

[Tatonka]

and what trade did you offer to texas spaz?

i would think that to move up 2 spots.. we get their first, for our 4th rounder and our first.. or our 1st this year and 3rd next year.

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by Tatonka
and what trade did you offer to texas spaz?

i would think that to move up 2 spots.. we get their first, for our 4th rounder and our first.. or our 1st this year and 3rd next year.

very interesting compared to the trade proposal he gave me.:ontome:

[The Spaz]

I offered him out 1st this year obviously and our 3rd this year. Or I said our 1st this year and our 2nd next year.

[SABURZFAN]

:chuckle:

[DraftBoy]

id like to see the offer before allowing the deal, but to be frank In think the Texans would bite, b.c I also see DT as their big need.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
id like to see the offer before allowing the deal, but to be frank In think the Texans would bite, b.c I also see DT as their big need.

See above that's a good deal either way it's the same deal I offered to Saburzfan!

[Tatonka]

ok.. excutive decision. 1st this year and second next year.. i think the second round pick is more valuable, and the texans get the pick they wanted.

make your picks guys..

spaz is taking big ben obviously.. so saberz.. your up.

[DraftBoy]

so it was BUF 1st 04, 2nd 05 for HOU 1st 04??

[SABURZFAN]

let me check my PMs.:snicker:

[BillsFever]

I wish this mock would really happen :lol:

[Tatonka]

idjits.. keep this thread clean.. picks only PLEASE!..

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Winfield_26
so it was BUF 1st 04, 2nd 05 for HOU 1st 04??


correct.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka



correct.

:wine: :party: :clap:

I would abslutely die if we were able to land "Big Ben":drool:

[TKO]

We'll I'll be at the Sabres-Rangers game tonight so as Minnesota's GM I have my PMed my picks to Tatonka, if in fact that the 19th pick comes up and I'm not here to post it. So with that said, Minnesota is expected to be heavily involved in selecting a defensive end or a cornerback when the 19th pick comes around.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by TKO
We'll I'll be at the Sabres-Rangers game tonight so as Minnesota's GM I have my PMed my picks to Tatonka, if in fact that the 19th pick comes up and I'm not here to post it. So with that said, Minnesota is expected to be heavily involved in selecting a defensive end or a cornerback when the 19th pick comes around.

i havent gotten a pm on the guys you are looking at, but just send me a list of the guys you want, in what order.

[Tatonka]

saberz.. make your pick already!

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka
saberz.. make your pick already!

Saburz is mad.:doh: :D :snicker:

[The Spaz]

I've got the perfect pick for you Saburzfan!:snicker:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Tatonka
idjits.. keep this thread clean.. picks only PLEASE!..

Through the magic of over-moderation- I removed the posts from the draft thread and moved them here:up:

[SABURZFAN]

i'm glad The Spaz isn't in donahoe's shoes.talk about spilling your guts.:gag:

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
Through the magic of over-moderation- I removed the posts from the draft thread and moved them here:up:

thanks.

GONZO is on the clock.

[The Spaz]

Nice pick Saburz I would have select him or the other VT Alum!:up:

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
i'm glad The Spaz isn't in donahoe's shoes.talk about spilling your guts.:gag:

This is why it's a mock also I got who I wanted I am TD!:nerd:

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Nice pick Saburz I would have select him or the other VT Alum!:up:

The Bus is old and zerouse isn't the answer.this guy can be dangerous if he can show that he can catch the ball too.

[Tatonka]

jones is the real deal.. i havent missed a single game of his.

[Michael82]

I just feel that Spaz gave up too much to move only three spots. A first this year and a second next year? I would have been happier if it was a 1st this year and a 4th this year or a 1st this year and a 3rd next year.

[Tatonka]

i would say that a 1st and 3rd next year would be better, but knowing that pittsburg would grab big ben, if you want him that bad (which i dont), you do what you have to i guess.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Mike32282
I just feel that Spaz gave up too much to move only three spots. A first this year and a second next year? I would have been happier if it was a 1st this year and a 4th this year or a 1st this year and a 3rd next year.

Listen the steelers would have taken him no doubt. Also this is a franchise QB and one of the better QB prospects to ever come out of college. Besides we atill ahve all of our picks this year andd we will only miss one the next. This is a very good trade. Doesn't anybody else think so?

[Tatonka]

spaz, i dont think it is a bad trade. you have to pay more since you are putting the pick off till next year.

[SABURZFAN]

:snicker:

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
:snicker:

Oh you know you would have!:snicker::earpoke:

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Tatonka
i would say that a 1st and 3rd next year would be better, but knowing that pittsburg would grab big ben, if you want him that bad (which i dont), you do what you have to i guess.

I guess I don't understand why everyone wants him. He's a good player, but he didn't even play in a big school. He could have sucked if he played for the real Miami University. I dunno, if we wanted a QB so bad, I would've been happier waiting for Phillip Rivers to fall to us or let one of those stud WRs like Reggie Williams fall to us.

[Tatonka]

actually... i disagree completely.. if he was playing at miami, they would have won the national championship.. that is all they needed was a QB.. berlin sucked.

[Dozerdog]

I think the trade was accurate.

Ingtar has asserted a couple of times that in NFL minds, a 2nd next year is equall to a 3rd this year.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Mike32282


I guess I don't understand why everyone wants him. He's a good player, but he didn't even play in a big school. He could have sucked if he played for the real Miami University. I dunno, if we wanted a QB so bad, I would've been happier waiting for Phillip Rivers to fall to us or let one of those stud WRs like Reggie Williams fall to us.

"Big Ben" is way better than Rivers as much as I like him as well. The MAC is getting a lot better especially recently Chad Pennington, Byron Leftwich I'm sure there's more but that was off the top of my head. Don't worry I still have at least 2 more picks!:snicker:

[Michael82]

Okay, well, I just don't see TD doing that move if Big Ben is there. There is no way we will use a 1st round pick on a QB unless Manning falls to us, and we have a better chance of getting struck by lightning 4 times in a row on a Sunny day.

[Tatonka]

manning and roethlisberger are considered almost identical.. and i would take ben over manning myself personally..

manning didnt play at a big school either you know.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Mike32282
Okay, well, I just don't see TD doing that move if Big Ben is there. There is no way we will use a 1st round pick on a QB unless Manning falls to us, and we have a better chance of getting struck by lightning 4 times in a row on a Sunny day.

How many times did you get struck when we drafted McGahee last year!:laughter:

[Tatonka]

ok guys..i am going out for a bit.. i will check back later and update the list if need be.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by The Spaz
How many times did you get struck when we drafted McGahee last year!:laughter:

I predicted it! Ask Clump. :snicker:

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Mike32282


I predicted it! Ask Clump. :snicker:

:dizzy:

[Michael82]

Anyways my point is...IF TD picks a QB in the 1st round, it means that he is admitting Bledsoe is a failure and he wasted that 1st round pick. I don't think he'll do that, even if Manning or Big Ben are there.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by BillsFever
I wish this mock would really happen :lol:

Amen!:pant:

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Mike32282
I just feel that Spaz gave up too much to move only three spots. A first this year and a second next year? I would have been happier if it was a 1st this year and a 4th this year or a 1st this year and a 3rd next year.



I'm glad you are not our GM:dink: If this scenerio ever came true I could not give up next years second fast enough to get Big Ben. I'd give up this years 2nd to move up 3 spots to get him.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Mike32282
Anyways my point is...IF TD picks a QB in the 1st round, it means that he is admitting Bledsoe is a failure and he wasted that 1st round pick. I don't think he'll do that, even if Manning or Big Ben are there.

Again, I don't understand the rationalizations that people come up with.

If manning or Big Ben were available when the Bills pick, and there isn't comparable talent on the board, TD has proven that he will take the best player- see the McGahee pick, and the Reed pick- regardless of what we have on the team.


Are people just trying to fill in the gaps with crazy crap like "Well- TD won't pick so and so because it admits failure" or "TD won't pick this guy to coach because he feels threatened"

Just come out with it- You don't know what he'll do so make up some crazy logic to fill in unknown fact with fiction.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Mike32282
Anyways my point is...IF TD picks a QB in the 1st round, it means that he is admitting Bledsoe is a failure and he wasted that 1st round pick. I don't think he'll do that, even if Manning or Big Ben are there.


Would you make up your mind. You are worse than a woman :bduff: Three posts back you said only Manning and now you say neither. If either of them were there at our pick you could bet the house he's taking them. How is that admiting bledsoe is a failure? We need a QB of the future.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
Would you make up your mind. You are worse than a woman :bduff: Three posts back you said only Manning and now you say neither. If either of them were there at our pick you could bet the house he's taking them. How is that admiting bledsoe is a failure? We need a QB of the future.

I said that I'd take Manning myself....but if a top QB was there, I don't think TD would take him. I think he'd prefer to trade down and get something else. But then again...who knows? It's all a mute point because San Diego, Oakland, Arizona, or even Cleveland could use a QB and would most likely take either Manning or Big Ben.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Mike32282


It's all a mute point because San Diego, Oakland, Arizona, or even Cleveland could use a QB and would most likely take either Manning or Big Ben.


I agree with that. Giants could take either BR or EM if they were there too. I don't see either one of those guys getting out of the top 5. Thats why I think TD would grab either of them if we had the chance. He took an injured RB because he was worthy of a top 5 pick when healthy so I believe he would do the same thing if BR or EM happened to fall. Wishful thinking

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
I agree with that. Giants could take either BR or EM if they were there too. I don't see either one of those guys getting out of the top 5. Thats why I think TD would grab either of them if we had the chance. He took an injured RB because he was worthy of a top 5 pick when healthy so I believe he would do the same thing if BR or EM happened to fall. Wishful thinking

Yeah I forgot about the Giants. I see what you mean about TD grabbing them though. :D

[SABURZFAN]

i should have pulled that trade.


big ben would have landed in pittsburgh and detroit would have had an extra 2nd rounder this year.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
i should have pulled that trade.


big ben would have landed in pittsburgh and detroit would have had an extra 2nd rounder this year.

yeah u shouldve. They could use a new QB.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Mike32282


yeah u shouldve. They could use a new QB.

We don't?:confused2

[Dozerdog]

Don't forget, Loseman, Rivers, and others will be available for these guys later as well.


Grab a need position and get one of these guys in the 2nd

[Michael82]

I will not be available tomorrow to make my pick for the Chiefs...so if it comes to me, I'll make it Monday morning AFTER work. :D

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Mike32282
I will not be available tomorrow to make my pick for the Chiefs...so if it comes to me, I'll make it Monday morning AFTER work. :D

No you will PM your picks to Tatonka make a list of 5 or so!:hammeru:

[gonzo1105]

My bad i finally made my pick i was on earlier

[hintexas]

Sorry I was away from my computer I am actually at work. What happened?

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by hintexas
Sorry I was away from my computer I am actually at work. What happened?

You made a trade with me!:up: Don't worry it was a good trade and you probably still get the player you want and is a need.:beer:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by hintexas
Sorry I was away from my computer I am actually at work. What happened?


You're up Hinetexas!

[hintexas]

I like that trade as both the GM in this draft of Houston and as a Bills fan. Looks win win to me. BUt am I up now?

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Mike32282
I will not be available tomorrow to make my pick for the Chiefs...so if it comes to me, I'll make it Monday morning AFTER work. :D


Leave your picks with Tatonka if you're not going to be around for 36 hours- otherwise I'm sure Tatonka will make one of his "executive decisions"

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by hintexas
I like that trade as both the GM in this draft of Houston and as a Bills fan. Looks win win to me. BUt am I up now?

yeah.. your up.. i made the trade, assuming that you would go with harris, who i figured would make it to 13, which he did, but it is your call as to if you want to go with him or not.


Originally posted by Mike32282
I will not be available tomorrow to make my pick for the Chiefs...so if it comes to me, I'll make it Monday morning AFTER work. :D


leave me a pm with at least 4-5 picks in the order that you would want them.

[Dozerdog]

Thread stuck! :up:

[hintexas]

Tatonka I guess great minds think a like but I would have and did do exactly what you thought I would

[Tatonka]

thanks. also, it wont let me edit that top post anymore.. so i guess you will have to update it.. it says admin wont let me do it 1440 minutes after orginal post.. :rolleyes:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Tatonka
thanks. also, it wont let me edit that top post anymore.. so i guess you will have to update it.. it says admin wont let me do it 1440 minutes after orginal post.. :rolleyes:

I'm updating it.


LoG eliminated the ability for people to delete/edit their thread starting posts after a while. Folks like NoCtUrNaL when they would get into a hissy fit would go back and delete all their posts & threads. Obviously many who participated in those threads would get torqued off that they would dissapear, so we put in measures to prevent it.

Sorry.

[Dozerdog]

lunatic bills fan hasn't been on all day. i'm not holding my breath

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
lunatic bills fan hasn't been on all day. i'm not holding my breath

executive decision upcoming. doing just a bit of research.. wasnt planing on picking for chicago.

[Tatonka]

mypoorfriendme is up.

interested to see what you guys think of my chicago pick.

[The Spaz]

I say overall it was a good pick. I would have selected DJ Williams LB out of Miami or CB Chris Gamble from Ohio State. Chicago though certailnly shouldn't complain as they got a player who should make an immediate impact on the D-Line.:up::beer:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Tatonka
mypoorfriendme is up.

interested to see what you guys think of my chicago pick.


I deleted it since Loonie showed up a few seconds after you placed it- so i went with his

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
I deleted it since Loonie showed up a few seconds after you placed it- so i went with his


excellent.. no problem.

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by Tatonka
mypoorfriendme is up.

interested to see what you guys think of my chicago pick.

he's a good player but a lousy pick for that team.i would have gone with randy starks-dt-maryland.chicago needs a DT in the worst way.other than k.traylor,i can't name a DT on that team other than ian scott because they drafted him last year or the year before.(can't remember)

[SABURZFAN]

starks may be the best DT in this draft.

that's just my opinion.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
he's a good player but a lousy pick for that team.i would have gone with randy starks-dt-maryland.chicago needs a DT in the worst way.other than k.traylor,i can't name a DT on that team other than ian scott because they drafted him last year or the year before.(can't remember)

Actually, that's who Tatonka picked for the Bears. Lunatic_Bills went with Udeze.

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by Dozerdog


Actually, that's who Tatonka picked for the Bears. Lunatic_Bills went with Udeze.

i'm glad that i don't live anywhere between chicago and nova scotia.:snicker2:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
i'm glad that i don't live anywhere between chicago and nova scotia.:snicker2:

:lolpoint: ..Hahaha..yeah, that would be stupid.....


hey, wait...:huh:


:mad:

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by Dozerdog


:lolpoint: ..Hahaha..yeah, that would be stupid.....


hey, wait...:huh:


:mad:

:chuckle: i didn't realize that you were.only because LB is from nova scotia.that's why i said it.

[SABURZFAN]

i wonder who Tampon Bay is going to take.:scratch:

[DraftBoy]

I think DT was a smart pick by T, but I dont see why they took Udeze. That puts them with 5 solid DE's: Brown, Daniels, Robinson, Haynes, and Udeze. Bad pick IMO.

[hintexas]

When are we starting thisd again if you give me a time for the Dallas pick I will make sure to be on

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by hintexas
When are we starting thisd again if you give me a time for the Dallas pick I will make sure to be on

We really don't have a set time just whenever the next guy makes a pick we just move on from there. So just check the thread out periodically.:up:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by hintexas
When are we starting thisd again if you give me a time for the Dallas pick I will make sure to be on

You could also leave 4-5 picks with Tatonka, or a need position and he will make the best pick available

[Tatonka]

no tampa bay pick yet huh?... i feel an executive decision.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka
no tampa bay pick yet huh?... i feel an executive decision.

:up:

[gonzo1105]

Do you all feel that D'angelo Hall is the best corner in the draft? I was trying to trade down with a team that either wanted Rothesberger if he dropped down to my pick or Rivers....I offered Green Bay but got rejected

[Tatonka]

i think gamble and straight are both better than hall... and hall is one of my alumni

[Tatonka]

gonzo, your up.

[The Spaz]

Excelent pick by the Buccaneers!:up:

[gonzo1105]

Alright guys I made my pick for the 49ers .....I feel its a good one

[The Spaz]

Questionable pick by the 49ers. I would have selected Chris Gamble then they would have Plummer and Gamble for DB's and that would have been quite formidable. Then again they did select Mike Rumph last year I think. Could be adecent pick by the 49ers Starks can play.

[Tatonka]

well.. the thing is, starks is all over the place.. he is one of those weird picks, like rivers.. some have him as a second round guy, but some teams really covet him..

san fran does need dline help, and starks can probably play both spots, so i dont think it is a bad pick at all.. not the one i would have made, but not bad.. good work gonzo.

[Tatonka]

has anyone seen Bmax in a couple days?

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka
has anyone seen Bmax in a couple days?

Good question!:idunno:

[gonzo1105]

Guys you have to go beyond the first round....I choose Starks because there is not great depth at the d-line positions in the draft. Corner on the other hand is a pretty strong one. Don't worry I have my second round choices set up lol. And the 49ers are not a big fan of Will Smith so dont bring up his name

[mypoorfriendme]

sorry guys, i went out last night and couldnt get to my computer til now....thanks tonk for the pick, thats who i was goign for anyway! great minds think alike

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by gonzo1105
Guys you have to go beyond the first round....I choose Starks because there is not great depth at the d-line positions in the draft. Corner on the other hand is a pretty strong one. Don't worry I have my second round choices set up lol. And the 49ers are not a big fan of Will Smith so dont bring up his name


you dont have to defend the pick man. i think it was a fine pick and the rational makes sense. just cuz it is different than what someone else would do is what makes this fun.

[Tatonka]

i am not going to make an executive decision on the bengals until this evening if Bmax doesnt pick, because the bengals could go alot of different ways.. they would go with Grove or Carey in this spot, because they need help at center and guard.. they could also go will smith as well.

[DraftBoy]

I see them as leaning towards Carey. Also maybe Straight b.c the CB's are horrid too.

[The Spaz]

I say they have to pick a CB and in particular Chri sGamble who went to Ohio St. not only is he good by a hometown type as well!:up:

[Tatonka]

carey or gamble would be good picks. i am going out for the bowl, but will check back later.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka
carey or gamble would be good picks. i am going out for the bowl, but will check back later.

:party: Hard!:up::beer:

[SABURZFAN]

i think cincinatti's OL is ok with the exception of C.their DL needs more help.they could use a CB too.

[Dozerdog]

Looks like They took home state hero Chris Gamble

[Devin]

Took Hall, saints Backfield is very week and Gamble got taken the pick before me. I thought Cincy would go with a DE or DT.

Oh well!

TKO your up!

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Devin
Took Hall, saints Backfield is very week and Gamble got taken the pick before me. I thought Cincy would go with a DE or DT.

Oh well!

TKO your up!

No your still up Hall was already taken by the Jets!

[Devin]

ARGH! I checked before I picked i must be blind, ok 1 min lol.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Devin
ARGH! I checked before I picked i must be blind, ok 1 min lol.

:up::beer:

[Devin]

Corrected I took Strait!

[The Spaz]

I would hav etaken Jonathon Vilma they needed a MLB but CB is also a need.

[SABURZFAN]

the CBs are flying off the draft board at an alarming rate.

[Devin]

well Defense is the Saints priority no doubt, but CB was the biggest priority. In the 2nd round I will look more towards the line.

[Tatonka]

TKO emailed his list to me

udeze, hall, gamble, robinson..

so he got robinson..

LOG is on the clock.

[Tatonka]

Log made the easy Rivers pick and i went with vernon carey for the pats.

hintexas is on the clock for dallas.

[Devin]

a few way early surprise picks, I think San Fran taking a DT and not a WR was my biggest surprise especially with the possible loss of their two biggest WR.

So far not bad, I had to really study who needed what for my two.

I really liked Hall but Strait was kind of the no brainer at CB actually surprised Hall went before him.

[lordofgun]

Originally posted by Tatonka
Log made the easy Rivers pick

:bravo:

[Dozerdog]

Hey Tatonka-

Would the Patriots be interested in St Louis's 1st rd pick for your 2 #2s and a 4th?

[hintexas]

Doesw anyone know where you can find a copy of the draft pick trade sheet the Jimmy Johnson used?

[SABURZFAN]

w.smith goes to the Cowboys.that's good.they didn't take my pick.:snicker:

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
Hey Tatonka-

Would the Patriots be interested in St Louis's 1st rd pick for your 2 #2s and a 4th?


not really, Doz... i pretty much have the pick spent and it is right about at the right slot one of a few guys will be there for the taking. moving up doesnt benefit them at all that i can see. sorry.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Up, sorry folks, I wasn't around this weekend. My bad. I will be ready for my pick in the second round.

[Tatonka]

no problem Ghost.

[SABURZFAN]

i thought seattle would look at MLB.drafting a DT doesn't hurt either.

[Devin]

I did look that way and while it is a need, the DL was used and abused last year. That was the most glaring need on D I think. if this was a comploete 7 rounder i deff would have drafted there and may do so in the 2nd.

[hintexas]

Tatonka can you post the official draft order for the 2nd round?

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by hintexas
Tatonka can you post the official draft order for the 2nd round?

this is what i could find, but it is unofficial.. do the teams with the same record move around like that?

34. Arizona
35. New York Giants
36. San Diego
37. Detroit
38. (t)Atlanta
39. (t)Cleveland
40. Jacksonville
41. Houston
42. Washington
43. New York Jets
44. Buffalo
45. Pittsburgh
46. Oakland (from Tampa Bay)
47. San Francisco
48. Chicago
49. New Orleans
50. Cincinnati
51. Minnesota
52. Baltimore
53. Dallas
54. Seattle
55. Denver
56. Green Bay
57. New England (from Miami)
58. Tennessee
59. Philadelphia
60. Indianapolis
61. New Orleans (from St. Louis)
62. Kansas City
63. (sb)Carolina
64. (sb)New England

[hintexas]

The reason I asked is because I saw somewhere that Houston somehow had the first pick of the 2nd round.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by Tatonka
[B] this is what i could find, but it is unofficial.. do the teams with the same record move around like that?


Yes they do- If 4 teams finish 8-8, whomever had the first pick amongst those teams moves tthe end of the line for the second round.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Originally posted by hintexas
The reason I asked is because I saw somewhere that Houston somehow had the first pick of the 2nd round.


I believe Houston waived their 2nd round pick in order to take Tony Hollings in the supp. draft yesterday.

[The Spaz]

Well it wasn't yesterday but the other part of it is right.!:up:

[Dozerdog]

Where is Oakland's pick? (their original- not Tampa's)

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Well it wasn't yesterday but the other part of it is right.!:up:

Woah, I must have been day dreaming. I don't know why I put "yesterday" in my post. Oh well, back to la la land.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by TheGhostofJimKelly


Woah, I must have been day dreaming. I don't know why I put &quot;yesterday&quot; in my post. Oh well, back to la la land.

:snicker::up:

[The Spaz]

bump

[Jeff1220]

It seems like I've been waiting for days to make my pick.



Oh, wait a minute. I have been.:rolleyes:

[Dozerdog]

Me too.

[Tatonka]

i will give shadow till 6pm to make his pick. after shadow makes his pick each team will have 30 minutes to make a pick there after. so look at where you pick and follow up. sorry it is taking so long. i thought everyone would be checking back more often.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka
i will give shadow till 6pm to make his pick. after shadow makes his pick each team will have 30 minutes to make a pick there after. so look at where you pick and follow up. sorry it is taking so long. i thought everyone would be checking back more often.

Excellent idea!:up:

[Tatonka]

if you cant be around.. it is easy enough to PM me your picks.. just list the top 3-4 guys you want.. if they are not there, i will make an "executive decision".

[The Spaz]

Executive decisions you have to love them....:snicker:

[Tatonka]

ok.. shadow as has posted a couple times today, including 10 minutes ago.. i am starting to think that people dont have their PM notification on.. you guys can adjust it under your profile so that when you get a PM, a pop up box opens on your screen while you are browsing.. i also have mine set up to send me an email.. these things are important when we are doing things like this, so we can communicate guys..

come on shadow.. make a pick!

[Devin]

thank god im not on the board again for awhile.

[Tatonka]

i dont understand why shadow has not made a pick.. he has posted several times today.. he must just not be into it anymore.. gimme a minute to find a replacement.

[Tatonka]

jeff is on the clock.. shadow apparently had no desire to make a pick all day long, so it was made for him.. for the second time..

so jeff, your on the clock.. then dozer.. then jeff again.

[Dozerdog]

I gave Tiger J my Colts pick

[Tatonka]

ok.

[Dozerdog]

...Since the Rams do not have a #2, I'll take over Shadowhawk's picks unless he steps forward. No sense taking forever on this.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
...Since the Rams do not have a #2, I'll take over Shadowhawk's picks unless he steps forward. No sense taking forever on this.

ok.. no problem.

[BillsFever]

If anybody in the lower first round would like to move up in the #28 slot, I'm willing to trade down.

[The Spaz]

The rams did not need a ****ing WR!:mad:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by The Spaz
The rams did not need a ****ing WR!:mad:


Look- They Can't cut Warner- It's a cap killer. They will tender Bulger with a 1st round tender and hope someone will take him- but no one will. They have some tough decisions to make - Bruce is slowing down (numbers off this season) and besides Holt- they have no more depth.

I think they want to keep Wistrom- so Bruce is a logical cap casualty because he's easier to replace.

Now If Carey or a decent DE or TE were available- they would go there - But at thia point are the Rams going to pick a 3rd round O- lineman like Peterson with that choice? No. Troupe was gone. Odom was gone. Linebacker was a possibility, but the defense overall did very well for the Rams.


The only other pick i was thinking was a RB- heir aparent to Faulk- but they have been spending high picks the past few seasons on that (Gordon, Candidate, and what's his face)


If they manage to keep Bruce- look out- they go back to being deadly.

[BillsFever]

Looks like I have to settle for Woods.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Dozerdog



Look- They Can't cut Warner- It's a cap killer. They will tender Bulger with a 1st round tender and hope someone will take him- but no one will. They have some tough decisions to make - Bruce is slowing down (numbers off this season) and besides Holt- they have no more depth.

I think they want to keep Wistrom- so Bruce is a logical cap casualty because he's easier to replace.

Now If Carey or a decent DE or TE were available- they would go there - But at thia point are the Rams going to pick a 3rd round O- lineman like Peterson with that choice? No. Troupe was gone. Odom was gone. Linebacker was a possibility, but the defense overall did very wel for the Rams.


The only other pick i was thinking was a RB- heir aparent to Faulk- but they have been spending high picks the past few seasons on that (Gordon, Candidate, and what's his face)


If they manage to keep Bruce- look out- they go back to being deadly.

I know all of that I was just joking I wanted Clayton for the Panters.:up:

[BillsFever]

Originally posted by The Spaz
I know all of that I was just joking I wanted Clayton for the Panters.:up:

He would've never got by me :snicker:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by The Spaz
I know all of that I was just joking I wanted Clayton for the Panters.:up:


LOL...well then- carry on....


Actually, i went to a couple of Rams websites and draft forums. It seems like this was their plan C