Can anyone find a link to Drew Henson's illustrious college stats?

[Tatonka]

i am looking for a game by game breakdown.. season totals.. whatever..

i want to see exactly how many games this kid actually played and what all his numbers looked like.

funny thing is.. i know he had Anthony Thomas and David Terrell on his team the year he did start.. and it seems like they have been around for some time now..

i just want to actually see how all this friggin hype about the baseball washup started.

[The_Philster]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/henson_drew

[Jeff1220]

I have no interest in Henson. I hope the Bills don't either.

[DraftBoy]

Not bad stats at all, granted its only one year but if you base it on that like the Ravens did with Boller hes a sure fire 1st rounder. Id too like to see a game by game breakdown to see if he got stronger and better if the season went along.

[Tatonka]

thanks phil.. all i can say is HOLY CRAP..

this guy only started 8 friggen games in ONE season.. that was 3 years ago... he didnt even start a full 11 game college season..

it discusts me that people are so high on this kid.. he has never done a stinking thing.

[The_Philster]

No prob :up: I feel the same way. He hasn't done a thing in football to speak of. People who are so high on him are nuts :shakeno:

[ShadowHawk7]

Note that the few people who like henson on this board are currently hiding in sum cave.:thumb:

[socalfan]

Originally posted by Tatonka
thanks phil.. all i can say is HOLY CRAP..

this guy only started 8 friggen games in ONE season.. that was 3 years ago... he didnt even start a full 11 game college season..

it discusts me that people are so high on this kid.. he has never done a stinking thing.


At Michigan underclassmen generally do not take the place of juniors and seniors; unless the juniors and seniors in your position are not able to do the job. Brady was a typical Michigan quarterback, and so there was no way Henson was going to replace him. During his first two seasons, the students were always calling for him to put on the field. But there was no way that would happen. At Michigan you get in line.

[DraftBoy]

Originally posted by ShadowHawk7
Note that the few people who like henson on this board are currently hiding in sum cave.:thumb:


Thats incorrect Im right here and have been the whole time...As for why people are so high on this kid b.c in only those 8 games he threw 20+ TD's for over 2000 yards and had only 4 INT's thrown. T i know you would like to see the production drawn out over 2 years or at least one full season but even you gotta say in only 8 games those stats are damn good. Now why am I so high on him? Because he has the "potential" to be a Trent Green, Marc Bulger type QB, with a litte more speed. Hes got the arm strength, the accuracy, and the velocity we have all seen that. You dont just lose that by playing baseball. My only question about the kid is whether or not he still has the footwork, the mechanics in his throwing motion, and the mental mindset to be a pro bowl type QB. Would a blow a 3rd rounder on him either as a pick or in a trade? Yea. A first rounder? No. Our second rounder? No, but I would deal a late one. The fact of the matter is that Drew Henson has the potential that we all look for in QB. Hes not near ready to start and for our team thats perfect because you know TD has already stated that Drew is his boy for this season. So we dont need a Big Ben or Eli who will just waste away on the bench. We need a kid like Phillip Rivers, Losman, Harris, Pickett, Clausen, or Henson that needs at least a year of sitting out to get close to being ready to play. Thats the 2 main reasons I like this kid.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

I am a big Michigan fan and I have to say that Drew was one of those quarterbacks that made you excited. He can make all the throws and he is very athletic. I would put him in the same sentence as Phillip Rivers but with a better arm. He is the ideal size 6'4" - 220. Don't judge the guy on his stats only. He had intangibles that you look for in a quarterback. If he had entered the '99 draft he would have been a top 5 pick. Obviously Drew is our QB for next season and bringing in Henson would allow him to get back to football. The Bills aren't going to make a move for him until they see what he can do. If they do acquire him it is for a reason.

Two things about Henson:
1. It isn't like he was sitting around for three years, he was playing a professional sport and he kept in shape.
2. Tom Brady was behind him on the depth chart.

Depending on what is given up for Henson is what will determine if he is a steal or not. I have seen more than one place that Henson would be rated in the top 20 of this years draft. If the Bills give a 2nd or 3rd rounder for a QB that would be in the top 20 in the draft, is that bad?

[TedMock]

good point. seeing him play is why I wouldn't be upset if he came here.

[ryjam282]

It really doesn't matter that Brady was behind him in college. Brady was drafted in the 6th rouhd. Obviously no one was very high on the guy. He just happened to fall into the perfect situation and get coaches that know how to use him. Put him in Indy's offense and he is a nobody. Proof once again that it is the system not the player...A Joe Montana he is not

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by TheGhostofJimKelly
Two things about Henson:
1. It isn't like he was sitting around for three years, he was playing a professional sport and he kept in shape.
2. Tom Brady was behind him on the depth chart.




1. minor league baseball.. and we all know that there are no out of shape baseball players.. :D

2. for 8 games.. in 2 years.


look.. the bottom line is.. i hear what your saying about "potential"... i remember rob johnson going 23-26 for 250 yards and 3 tds while playing for jacksonville... that was just before we gave up a stinking first round pick for him and gave him 25 million dollars for never doing a thing.

i dont care what potential one has.. until you can prove it for at least one year, you havent done squat.. look at his game numbers.. he had plenty of games that were very unimpressive during his 8 game stint... take a look.

Illinois - Made his 2000 debut, coming off the bench to hit on 8 of 17 attempts for 141 yards and a 57-yard touchdown to his favorite target, David Terrell. crappy game

Wisconsin - Inserted into the starting lineup, he connected on 15 of 27 passes for 257 yards and a game-winning 15-yard scoring strike to Terrell in a 13-10 decision. average game

Purdue - Threw for 256 yards on 26 of 35 chances with a pair of scores. above average game

Indiana - Gained 233 yards on 14 of 18 passes as he found Terrell with touchdowns of 43 and 27 yards. great game

Michigan State - Completed 17 of 37 tosses for 138 yards. horrible game

Northwestern - Bounced back to amass 312 yards on 23 of 45 tries with 4 touchdowns, including 11-, 10- and 22-yarders to Terrell and also ran for a two-point conversion. great game

Penn State - Totaled 212 yards on 14 of 29 passes and a pair of scores, including a 40-yarder to B.J. Askew, but had a career-high 3 interceptions. horrible game

Ohio State - Added 14 of 25 attempts for 303 yards and 3 touchdowns, including a 70-yarder to Anthony Thomas and also ran for a 1-yard score. great game

Auburn (Citrus Bowl) - Closed out his career with 15 of 20 completions for 294 yards and 2 touchdowns, including a 31-yarder to Terrell. great game


seriously now.. take a look at that.. dont tell me that he is really all that good.. 4 great games.. and look at the level of competition that those great games were against.. it wasnt like he lit miami up... and look at the weapons he had as well.. anthony thomas and david terrell were his main targets.. both ended up being high draft picks.

now compair that to what a guy like Ben, Eli, or Rivers was working with at their main skill positions. hell.. look at any of the qbs that are coming out this year.. none of them were working with 2 high picks at rb and wr.

and to top it off.. he had several HORRIBLE games in there as well..

i am sorry.. but giving up a high pick for this kid who has yet to prove whether this "potential" can even last a full season is gonna be a big big mistake.. we dont even know if he can string together 4-5 good performances back to back in college.. let alone the pros.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

I know you're not giving a high draft pick on him. You have nothing to do with the decision. All I am saying is that I am not going to be upset if the Bills take a gamble on the guy.

I guess Peyton Mannings numbers against Florida would have made you not draft him either.


The Tom Brady thing was kind of a joke.

[Tatonka]

manning isnt really a good example, because although he had some poor games.. he also won a national championship and had several great years in a row.

tom brady is actually a good compairison, because he was not a starter for that long, but it was longer than henson.. and he put up somewhat similar numbers... and you see in the end where he got drafted.. that is what i think of a guy like henson... he SHOULD be no more than a 3-4th round pick if you look at his numbers.. and i think that numbers are a much better indicator than potential.

potential got us rob johnson and eric flowers.. i just dont want to see us make that same mistake again..

[DraftBoy]

Yea but the thing with potential is that EVERY and I mean every college player is drafted based on two things: results and potential. Eli Manning has the potential to be a All-Pro QB but he may not be. In lots of minds as Ignstar has pointed out hes more or a 2nd-3rd round value pick, but he may go #1 overall. We could be drafting this kid based on potential. I could go through any QB's games in the draft and in the NFL and point out all there bad and good games. Dont have the time too but I could. All im saying is that if your gonna knock him b.c you dont like a pick due to potential then you might as well knock every pick we make b.c to be perfectly honest college results dont mean jack when it comes to the NFL. He may not have produced much in the short time he played but he obviously produced enough to where he caught alot of eyes.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

I agree 100% Winfield!!

[Tatonka]

can you think of any other qb that was drafted in round 1 or 2 that had worse stats.. or i should say less numbers than henson? or even less playing time?

i am not asking for the history of the nfl draft.. i am just wondering.. has there ever been a qb with fewer numbers or less games played (8) than henson that went in the first two rounds.

i seriously dont remember one.

[eyedog]

T,
First off Manning never won a National Championship in college.
Your all bent over this stat issue. College stats are meaningless. You ever hear of qb's like Klingler, Ware, Bosco, I could go on for ever with guys with big stats. A lot of that is the system and competion level. Scouts look at physical ability and how that will adapt to the next level. They also take into consideration of mental makeup and yes, the production on the field. Henson comes out high in all those areas.
Also didn't you say a couple of months ago that Ben Roeth is a 2nd or 3rd rd. draft pick ?

[eyedog]

check out Jim Kelllys "stats" his Senior year at Miami. They are not very good because he missed half the year with a shoulder injury. If they went by his stat he wouldn't have been drafted in the 1st rd either.

[Tatonka]

sorry about the manning reference.. i forgot it was tee martin who won the championship against FL ST.

look.. i get your point.. stats are not everything.. but you have to have SOME stats.. or how is anyone to know what you can do?? consisently... in college.. in the 8 games that he was able to play, he never even strung together 4 good games.. that scares me.

i know it is all about potential... but at some point you have to show that your potential can be turned into productivity.. and he has never done that.. he hasnt ever done anything.

[The Spaz]

:idunno:

[socalfan]

Originally posted by TheGhostofJimKelly
Two things about Henson:
1. It isn't like he was sitting around for three years, he was playing a professional sport and he kept in shape.
2. Tom Brady was behind him on the depth chart.


Sorry, but Brady did not back up Henson. Brady started.

What kind of shape is a guy in that plays 3rd base for a AAA team?

[The Spaz]

Brady did lose his startig job to Henson for a bit his junior season I beleive.

[Jeff1220]

I'm with T on this one. Henson played in 8 games - 8. I'd be weary of any QB who didn't successfully start more than one full season in college before giving him a day one draft grade. IMO, the Texans got him right where he should've been gotten.

[socalfan]

Originally posted by Tatonka
i know it is all about potential... but at some point you have to show that your potential can be turned into productivity.. and he has never done that.. he hasnt ever done anything.

After Griese got Michigan a share of the national title in 1997...Brady and Henson were both big disappointments. In 2000 the first year that Henson started, Navarre was challenging him for the starting spot and I think Henson didn't like that....he could have stayed at Michigan and played out the 2001 season, but he skipped to play for the Yankees. I still think the coach (Carr) is still unhappy about him.

All in all he had a lot of potential but he certainly didn't use it while at UM. I couldn't imagine anyone taking him in the first or second round.

[TedMock]

Brady and Henson split qutie a bit of time in 1999. It seemed as if they were alternating every other series. I don't remember Navarre being a big threat to Henson, though. Not that he wasn't, just that I don't recall it. I do know that just about every "expert" had Henson as the preseason Heisman favorite going into 2001. Not that I put a lot of weight on what the "experts" say but I thought he was a sure fire #1 pick had he played that year.

[Tatonka]

here is his 1999 season.. color me still unimpressed.

1999 SEASON
Played in 10 games behind Tom Brady … Completed 47 of 90 passes (52.2 percent) for 546 yards, 3 touchdowns and a pair of interceptions … Scored once on 27 carries … Averaged 53.2 yards per game in total offense.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by TedMock
Not that I put a lot of weight on what the "experts" say but I thought he was a sure fire #1 pick had he played that year.

those experts were probably the same ones that had eric flowers as a first rounder. :snicker:

[HenryRules]

If we do pick up Henson ... I'd much rather give up a pick now than later ... and this is only based on one assumption - that we can get him in NFLE if we acquire him now. His future will be a lot brighter if he can actually get in a game. If a team acquires him and sits him on his ass for 2 years, they're just setting him up to fail.

The kid needs to play ball and he needs to play it now if he's going to be anything.

[The Spaz]

A Buffalo delegation, including Wyche, will attend Thursday's workout with former Michigan quarterback Drew Henson, who is returning to football after a failed three-year trial with the New York Yankees. Henson is the property of the Houston Texans, who may trade him after Thursday's workout to the most interest team in the NFL

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/peter_king/02/09/wyche/

[The Spaz]

An interview from Drew Henson by Dan Patrick:

http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/story?storyId=1728693

[socalfan]

Originally posted by TedMock
Brady and Henson split qutie a bit of time in 1999. It seemed as if they were alternating every other series. I don't remember Navarre being a big threat to Henson, though. Not that he wasn't, just that I don't recall it. I do know that just about every "expert" had Henson as the preseason Heisman favorite going into 2001. Not that I put a lot of weight on what the "experts" say but I thought he was a sure fire #1 pick had he played that year.


The way that Michigan runs their program is that the second string and the third string QBs get to play at the end of games. During those games that are close, the second string QB may not make it on the field. When it is a blow out, the 2nd string QB will come out for the 4th quarter and the 3rd string QB may even make an appearance for a series or two.

Henson was putting in a lot of time during spring training with baseball and the Yanks and so Navarre was actually moving up to challenge him for the 2001 season. When Henson quit the program, Navarre took over.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

The pick would be a 2nd rounder in 2005, not this year.