4 Round Mock Draft on The Stadium Wall

[R. Rich]

Here's the results so far:

1. OAK-Eli Manning (OAK traded up; gave up 2nd round pick)
2. SD-Robert Gallery
3. ARI-Larry Fitzgerald
4. NYG-Sean Taylor
5. WAS-Kellen Winslow Jr.
6. NYJ-Mike Williams (NYJ traded up; gave up 2nd round pick in 05)
7. CLE-Ben Roethlisberger
8. ATL-Roy Williams
9. JAX-Kenechi Udeze
10. HOU-Vince Wilfork
11. PIT-Steven Jackson
12. DET-Greg Jones
13. GB-Chris Gamble (GB traded up; gave up 1st, 4th, & 1st in '05)
14. CHI-Shawn Andrews
15. TB-Reggie Williams
16. SF-Michael Clayton
17. CIN-D.J. Williams
18. NO-DeAngelo Hall
19. DAL-Kevin Jones (Dal traded up; gave up 1st & 3rd)
20. MIA-Will Smith
21. NE-Jonathan Vilma
22. MIN-Marquise Hill
23. SEA-Tommie Harris
24. DEN-Randy Starks
25. BUF-Philip Rivers
26. STL-Will Poole
27. TEN-Vernon Carey

[Mr. Miyagi]

Where's the BUF pick, even if GB traded up with us?

[R. Rich]

Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
Where's the BUF pick, even if GB traded up with us?

The BUF picks are done by group consensus. It's still pending, but the general consensus seem to be to draft Philip Rivers, who is still on the board, amazingly, this late.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Those guys don't know anything. :down:

Worst mock ever. :cynic:

[Mr. Miyagi]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
Those guys don't know anything. :down:

Worst mock ever. :cynic:
:bf1:

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
:bf1:

I agree. It is pretty bad. All the trades are nuts.

[SABURZFAN]

why would green bay trade 2 1st rounders and a 4th for gamble?that's giving up way too much.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Why would Oakland trade the world to move up one freaking spot? Why would Cleveland take a QB? Why would Green Bay even take Gamble?

What a bunch of maroons. :ugly:

[elltrain22]

It would be so tight if we got Rivers.

[casdhf]

Tommie Harris won't slide to #23

[Bert102176]

that mock is the worst I have ever seen

[thenry20]

LOL, Green Bay gave us picks for the 13th?! Unreal!!

[thenry20]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
Those guys don't know anything. :down:

Worst mock ever. :cynic:

Hold your panties, there mister!

I visit TSW and that isn't the consensus among the wallers.

This is the product of one person's wishful thinking.

I haven't seen that thread over there at all.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by thenry20
Hold your panties, there mister!

I visit TSW and that isn't the consensus among the wallers.

This is the product of one person's wishful thinking.

I haven't seen that thread over there at all.

Well, that person certainly isn't very bright.

Maybe those pansies who come over here and cry about those TSW guys are right. :eek:

[R. Rich]

Originally posted by thenry20
Hold your panties, there mister!

I visit TSW and that isn't the consensus among the wallers.

This is the product of one person's wishful thinking.

I haven't seen that thread over there at all.

Have you looked in the Mock Draft forum? That's where the mock draft is being held. I agree that a lot of these moves probably won't happen when the draft is held in April. This is just for kicks; nobody is getting paid to do this.

[clumping platelets]

Hmmmmm...............I'm picking for Miami in the 7 rd mock :mad:

Do you believe that I'm a maroon?

I apologize to our friends at TSW

[R. Rich]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Hmmmmm...............I'm picking for Miami in the 7 rd mock :mad:

Do you believe that I'm a maroon?

I apologize to our friends at TSW

Not necessary, Clump. I 'consider the source'.

[R. Rich]

Here's the picks that are completed:

FIRST ROUND PICKS

1. Oakland (trade w/San Diego)....Eli Manning, QB.........Mississippi

2. San Diego (trade w/Oakland)....Robert Gallery, OT.......Iowa

3. Arizona.................................. Larry Fitzgerald, WR......Pittsburgh

4. NY Giants................................Sean Taylor, FS...........Univ of Miami

5. Washington.............................Kellen Winslow JR, TE....Univ of Miami

6. NY Jets (trade w/Detroit)..........Mike Williams, WR.........USC

7. Cleveland...............................Ben Roethlisberger, QB.....Miami of Ohio

8. Atlanta...................................Roy Williams, WR.............Texas

9. Jacksonville............................Kenechi Udeze, DE............USC

10. Houston................................Vince Wilfork, DT............Univ of Miami

11. Pittsburgh.............................Steven Jackson, RB.........Oregon State

12. Detroit (trade w/NY Jets)........Greg Jones, RB................Florida State

13. Green Bay (tradew/Buffalo)....Chris Gamble, CB............Ohio State

14. Chicago................................Shawn Andrews, OT..........Arkansas

15. Tampa Bay...........................Reggie Williams, WR.........Washington

16. San Fransisco........................Michael Clayton, WR..........LSU

17. Cincinnati..............................D.J. Williams, LB..............Univ of Miami

18. New Orleans..........................DeAngelo Hall, CB............Va Tech

19. Dallas...................................Kevin Jones, RB................Va Tech

20. Miami....................................Will Smith, DE...................Ohio State

21. New England..........................Jonathan Vilma, LB............Univ of Miami

22. Minnesota..............................Marquise Hill, DE................LSU

23. Seattle..................................Tommie Harris, DT.............Oklahoma

24. Denver..................................Randy Starks, DT...............Maryland

25. Buffalo (trade w/GB)...............Philip Rivers, QB.................NC State

26. St. Louis................................Will Poole, CB.....................USC

27. Tennessee.............................Vernon Carey, OG...............Univ of Miami

28. Philadelphia............................Rashaun Woods, WR............Oklahoma State

29. Indianapolis............................Karlos Dansby, LB...............Auburn

30. Kansas City.............................Dunta Robinson, CB.............South Carolina

31. Carolina..................................Ben Troupe, TE...................Florida

32. New England............................Darnell Dockett, DT.............Florida State



SECOND ROUND PICKS

33. Arizona...........................Derrick Strait, CB......................Oklahoma

34. NY Giants........................Jacob Rogers, OT.......................USC

35. San Diego.......................Jake Grove, C...........................Va Tech

36. Detroit............................Ben Watson, TE.........................Georgia

37. Cleveland........................Justin Smiley, OG......................Alabama

38. Atlanta............................Chad Lavalais, DT......................LSU

39. Jacksonville.....................Lee Evans, WR...........................Wisconsin

40. Houston...........................Ahmad Carroll, CB.....................Arkansas

41. Washington......................Antwan Odom, DE......................Alabama

42. NY Jets.............................Michael Boulware, LB.................Florida State

43. Buffalo..............................Sean Jones, FS.........................Georgia

44. Pittsburgh..........................Ricardo Colclough, CB...............Tusculum

45. San Diego (trade w/Oak.)...Chris Snee, OG.........................Boston College

46. San Fransisco.....................Marcus Tubbs, DT.....................Texas

47. Chicago..............................Max Starks, OT........................Florida

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Hmmmmm...............I'm picking for Miami in the 7 rd mock :mad:

Do you believe that I'm a maroon?



Yes.

A little thin skinned, aren't we? :maggie:

http://www.twobillsdrive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25504

[Dozerdog]

No offense Rich- but what is the logic in giving up so much to move up one spot in the draft? Especially when there are two top notch guys available at that position?

[R. Rich]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
No offense Rich- but what is the logic in giving up so much to move up one spot in the draft? Especially when there are two top notch guys available at that position?

It's not a move I would make (I'm picking for the Giants, Redskins, Texans, Steelers, Broncos, and Titans in this draft) but I don't see where it's a horrible deal. Sure it's one spot, but it is the top overall pick. What is the usual compensation for swapping picks that high in the draft?

[Dozerdog]

If there was only 1 QB, then I'd say sure - go for it.


But Oakland is one of those teams that needs every pick- they are cap strapped and need to replace expensive veterans with cheaper alternatives (rookies)

If anything, they are a candidate to trade out of that spot. I know Al Davis loves his WR's- but this draft is so deep, he can get a quality one or two by dropping down- and not spending a ton. With those high picks, his rookie cap will be a lot bigger than other teams- and that means he has to clear even more cap space than usual.


Plus, I beleive QB isn't the top priority. Gannon is coming back, Tuiassisopo is not bad- and failing that- Garcia might fit them well if he shakes loose. If they are hurting at QB, I see them going for one in Rd 2 or 3.

JMHO

[DraftBoy]

Falcons gave up a ton to move up 2 spots to get Vick

[R. Rich]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
If there was only 1 QB, then I'd say sure - go for it.


But Oakland is one of those teams that needs every pick- they are cap strapped and need to replace expensive veterans with cheaper alternatives (rookies)

If anything, they are a candidate to trade out of that spot. I know Al Davis loves his WR's- but this draft is so deep, he can get a quality one or two by dropping down- and not spending a ton. With those high picks, his rookie cap will be a lot bigger than other teams- and that means he has to clear even more cap space than usual.


Plus, I beleive QB isn't the top priority. Gannon is coming back, Tuiassisopo is not bad- and failing that- Garcia might fit them well if he shakes loose. If they are hurting at QB, I see them going for one in Rd 2 or 3.

JMHO


Again, it wasn't my deal. I think you're right about the Raiders needing to keep their picks, maybe even add more picks by trading down. In this mock, EVERYONE is looking to trade down (in large part, I'm sure, because we all have been talking about the Bills trading down as a very viable option), so they decided to go another route.

[clumping platelets]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart


Yes.

A little thin skinned, aren't we? :maggie:

http://www.twobillsdrive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25504



:monkey: EE

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by DraftBoy
Falcons gave up a ton to move up 2 spots to get Vick
Vick was the only QB in the top 10

[eyedog]

Greg Jones isn't going to Detroit with the 12th pick either.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
:monkey: EE

CP :maggie:

TSW :baby:

[clumping platelets]

EE must not have taken his Geritol nor changed his Depends :shakeno:

[Mr. Miyagi]

Originally posted by DraftBoy
Falcons gave up a ton to move up 2 spots to get Vick
Actually the Falcons moved up 4 spots from the 5th to 1st. They traded with SD and SD got Tomlinson.

[Dozerdog]

The point being, if Vick AND let's say, a Leftwich were both there, and at least one was a guarantee to be there for them- would you hand over a kings ransome?

I wouldn't

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
The point being, if Vick AND let's say, a Leftwich were both there, and at least one was a guarantee to be there for them- would you hand over a kings ransome?

I wouldn't

C'mon Dozer. Don't be too tough on them. They're doing a fine job. :eek:

[R. Rich]

The 4 round draft is finished. Here's how it went:

FIRST ROUND PICKS

1. Oakland (trade w/San Diego)....Eli Manning, QB.........Mississippi

2. San Diego (trade w/Oakland)....Robert Gallery, OT.......Iowa

3. Arizona.................................. Larry Fitzgerald, WR......Pittsburgh

4. NY Giants................................Sean Taylor, FS...........Univ of Miami

5. Washington.............................Kellen Winslow JR, TE....Univ of Miami

6. NY Jets (trade w/Detroit)..........Mike Williams, WR.........USC

7. Cleveland...............................Ben Roethlisberger, QB.....Miami of Ohio

8. Atlanta...................................Roy Williams, WR.............Texas

9. Jacksonville............................Kenechi Udeze, DE............USC

10. Houston................................Vince Wilfork, DT............Univ of Miami

11. Pittsburgh.............................Steven Jackson, RB.........Oregon State

12. Detroit (trade w/NY Jets)........Greg Jones, RB................Florida State

13. Green Bay (tradew/Buffalo)....Chris Gamble, CB............Ohio State

14. Chicago................................Shawn Andrews, OT..........Arkansas

15. Tampa Bay...........................Reggie Williams, WR.........Washington

16. San Fransisco........................Michael Clayton, WR..........LSU

17. Cincinnati..............................D.J. Williams, LB..............Univ of Miami

18. New Orleans..........................DeAngelo Hall, CB............Va Tech

19. Dallas...................................Kevin Jones, RB................Va Tech

20. Miami....................................Will Smith, DE...................Ohio State

21. New England..........................Jonathan Vilma, LB............Univ of Miami

22. Minnesota..............................Marquise Hill, DE................LSU

23. Seattle..................................Tommie Harris, DT.............Oklahoma

24. Denver..................................Randy Starks, DT...............Maryland

25. Buffalo (trade w/GB)...............Philip Rivers, QB.................NC State

26. St. Louis................................Will Poole, CB.....................USC

27. Tennessee.............................Vernon Carey, OG...............Univ of Miami

28. Philadelphia............................Rashaun Woods, WR............Oklahoma State

29. Indianapolis............................Karlos Dansby, LB...............Auburn

30. Kansas City.............................Dunta Robinson, CB.............South Carolina

31. Carolina..................................Ben Troupe, TE...................Florida

32. New England............................Darnell Dockett, DT.............Florida State



SECOND ROUND PICKS

33. Arizona...........................Derrick Strait, CB......................Oklahoma

34. NY Giants........................Jacob Rogers, OT.......................USC

35. San Diego.......................Jake Grove, C...........................Va Tech

36. Detroit............................Ben Watson, TE.........................Georgia

37. Cleveland........................Justin Smiley, OG......................Alabama

38. Atlanta............................Chad Lavalais, DT......................LSU

39. Jacksonville.....................Lee Evans, WR...........................Wisconsin

40. Houston...........................Ahmad Carroll, CB.....................Arkansas

41. Washington......................Antwan Odom, DE......................Alabama

42. NY Jets.............................Michael Boulware, LB.................Florida State

43. Buffalo..............................Sean Jones, FS.........................Georgia

44. Pittsburgh..........................Ricardo Colclough, CB...............Tusculum

45. San Diego (trade w/Oak.)...Chris Snee, OG.........................Boston College

46. San Fransisco.....................Marcus Tubbs, DT.....................Texas

47. Chicago..............................Max Starks, OT........................Florida

48. New Orleans.......................Teddy Lehman, LB....................Oklahoma

49. Cincinnati............................Alex Stepanovich, C.................Ohio State

50. Minnesota............................Michael Jenkins, WR.................Ohio State

51. Baltimore.............................Devard Darling, WR.................Wash. State

52. Dallas..................................Dwan Edwards, DT...................Oregon State

53. Seattle.................................Bobby McCray, DE...................Florida

54. Denver.................................Keiwan Ratliff, CB....................Florida

55. Green Bay............................J.P. Losman, QB.......................Tulane

56. New England.........................Cedric Cobbs, RB.....................Arkansas

57. Tennessee............................Donnell Washington, DT............Clemson

58. Philadelphia..........................Dontarrious Thomas, LB.............Auburn

59. Indianapolis..........................Matt Ware, FS...........................UCLA

60. New Orleans..........................Tommy Kelly, DT.....................Mississippi St

61. Kansas City............................Bob Sanders, SS.....................Iowa

62. Carolina.................................Nathan Vasher, CB..................Texas

63. New England...........................Devery Henderson, WR............LSU



THIRD ROUND PICKS

64. Arizona................................Maurice Clarrett, RB..................Ohio State

65. NY Giants.............................Maurice Jones, LB......................South Fla.

66. San Diego............................Nathanial Adibi, DE....................Va Tech

67. Oakland...............................Matthias Askew, DT...................Mich. State

68. Cleveland.............................Nat Dorsey, OT........................Georgia Tech

69. Atlanta.................................Keith Smith, CB........................McNeese State

70. Jacksonville..........................Nate Kaeding, K........................Iowa

71. Houston................................Stuart Schweigert, FS................Purdue

72. Washington...........................Mewelde Moore, RB...................Tulane

73. Detroit..................................Jason Shivers, S.......................Ariz. State

74. Buffalo..................................Stephen Peterman, OG..............LSU

75. Pittsburgh..............................Tony Pape, OT.........................Michigan

76. NY Jets...................................Daryl Smith, LB.......................Georgia Tech

77. San Fransisco.........................Chris Perry, RB........................Michigan

78. Chicago.................................Igor Olshansky, DT...................Oregon

79. Tampa Bay.............................Joey Thomas, CB...................Montana St

80. Cincinnati................................Jason Babin, DE....................Western Mich

81. New Orleans............................Shaun Phillips, DE..................Purdue

82. Minnesota................................Greg Brooks, CB...................Southern Miss

83. Minnesota (trade w/Dal)............Isasc Hilton, DE.....................Hampton

84. Seattle....................................Will Allen, S...........................Ohio State

85. Denver....................................Keyaron Fox, LB....................Georgia Tech

86. Green Bay...............................Alex Lewis, LB........................Wisconsin

87. Miami......................................Matt Schaub, QB.....................Virginia

88. Baltimore.................................DeMarco McNeil, DT................Auburn

89. Philadelphia..............................Ernest Wilford, WR..................Va Tech

90. Indianapolis..............................Sean Locklear, OG..................NC State

91. St. Louis...................................Keary Colbert, WR..................USC

92. Tennessee................................Ben Utecht, TE.......................Minnesota

93. Kansas City...............................David Ball, DE.......................UCLA

94. Carolina....................................Pasha Jackson, LB.................Oklahoma

95. New England..............................Johnnie Morant, WR...............Syracuse



FOURTH ROUND PICKS

96. NY Giants.............................Julius Jones, RB......................Notre Dame

97. San Diego.............................Jeff Smoker, QB....................Michigan State

98. Oakland...............................Kendyll Pope, LB.....................Florida State

99. Arizona................................Junior Siavii, DT......................Oregon

100. Atlanta...............................Regis Crawford, OG.................Arizona State

101. Jacksonville........................Brandon Everage, S.................Oklahoma

102. Houston..............................Claude Harriott, DE..................Pittsburgh

103. Chicago..............................Tatum Bell, RB........................Oklahoma State

104. Detroit................................Bo Schobel, DE.......................TCU

105. Cleveland...........................Josh Harris, QB........................Bowling Green

106. Pittsburgh...........................Robert Kent, QB......................Jackson State

107. NY Jets...............................Lawrence Richardson, CB.........Arkansas

108. Buffalo................................Derrick Hamilton, WR..............Clemson

109. Chicago..............................Demorrio Williams, LB..............Nebraska

110. Tampa Bay.........................Carlos Joseph, OT....................Univ of Miami

111. San Fransisco......................Kelly Butler, OT........................Purdue

112. New England........................Darius Watts, WR.....................Marshall

113. Cincinnati.............................Arnold Parker, S......................Utah

114. Minnesota............................Brandon Chillar, LB...................UCLA

115. Seattle.................................Jeremy LeSueur, CB...............Michigan

116. Denver................................Ben Hartsock, TE.....................Ohio State

117. Buffalo (trade w/GB).............Stacy Andrews, OT..................Mississippi

118. Miami...................................Bernard Berrian, WR...............Fresno State

119. Baltimore..............................Lamar Bryant, OG..................Maryland

120. Dallas...................................Robert Geathers, DE...............Georgia

121. Houston................................Adrien Clarke, OG..................Ohio State

122. St. Louis...............................Michael Turner, RB.................Norhern Ill.

123. Tennessee............................Jason Geathers, WR................Univ of Miami

124. Atlanta..................................Roderick Green, DE..............Cent. Miss. State

125. Kansas City...........................Jason Peters, TE....................Arkansas

126. Carolina................................James Newson, WR................Oregon State

127. New England..........................Uyi Osunde, DE.....................Connecticut

[Dozerdog]

I'd be pleased as punch to see thew Bills draft like that

[eyedog]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
I'd be pleased as punch to see thew Bills draft like that

I don't want a trade down for Rivers in the 1st rd. I'd be pissed if they passed on Snee for Jones in the 2nd. A little high for Petterman in the 3rd I'd rather have Olshansky.