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  • Mr. Cynical
    Maybe?
    • Oct 2003
    • 9766

    The Reality of Drew

    FYI - I'm reposting this from the other thread so that it doesn't get lost because of all the "wysmania". This will be my final word on Drew for awhile. :)

    Originally posted by NE39
    BTW Drew is not 2-2 in his last 4 playoff games. He is 1-3, if you give him the win for the AFC Champship game in 2001 where he came off the bench.

    It was 3-0 Pats, and there were a few minutes left in the half. On the play Brady was injured, he completed a pass down to the Pittsburgh 40. Drew came off the bench and hit 3 straight passes to score a TD, then wasn't really effective the rest of the game, other than a big 3rd-down pass to Troy Brown late in the game when it got close.

    In Bledsoe's defense, he hadn't played in a game since week 2, and had only been practicing about a month-and-a-half. However, that AFC Championship was a very erratic performance. He threw a couple of passes right to Pittsburgh defenders, which they dropped, and wasn't very accurate after his initial series.

    His final numbers for that game:

    10-for-21 (47.6%), 102 Yards (4.86 Yds/Att), 1 TD, 0 Int, 77.9 QB Rating.

    Now, people are going to jump all over me and say I'm a Bledsoe-basher, and that is not true. I like Drew, and hope he turns things around this season. I also think people are many misconceptions about him. For instance:

    - Drew is far from stupid, he is a very bright football player and understands the game. It is one of his strengths.

    - Drew reads defenses well. Parcells and Belichick both said that Drew is good at making the proper pre-snap reads, and is so experience he is hard to fool. Contrary to popular belief, it isn't that Bledsoe gets confused about what the defense is trying to do against him that causes him problems, it is countering it.

    - Drew is a good leader, and players like to play with him. As bad as he has played recently, his teammates still believe in him. He rarely calls out a teammate publicly, and is a respected lockerroom guy for the way he carries himself professionally. That is leadership.

    - Drew absolutely hits the deep out pattern better than any QB in football.

    - He is tough as nails. Nobody can say he isn't tough.

    That said, Bledsoe has very identifiable weaknesses (IMO):

    - He is about as mobile as a birdbath, and doesn't always sense the rush quickly enough.

    - His focus downfield is so intent that he is slow to hit his checkoffs at times. Because he has stubbornly held onto the "gunslinger" mentality, he refuses to give up on deeper patterns and holds the ball too long.

    - Though Drew has good work ethic and prepares like a Pro, he doesn't live, breath and eat football like some players. Football is important to him, but he values his time away from the game as well. He will attend the offseason program, but he also will disappear to Montana for long stretches. One of the big criticisms the Patriots coaching staff reportedly had of him was that he didn't do a lot beyond what he was expected. He was less likely to take extra film home with him and do extra preparation. That was the biggest reason the team went with Brady, who is always doing extra preparation and work.

    - Drew has never been a good player in big games. Against good teams, his weaknesses are more apparent, so he tends to fade late in the season and in the playoffs.


    I think that Drew can bounce back and be an effective QB again, but I can't say I ever see him being a good player against good teams. He hasn't played well against good teams in the past, and his playoff numbers are stunningly bad. Sure, he went to the Super Bowl in 1996, but the Pats got there on Curtis Martin's legs and solid defense. In only 1 playoff game has he completed 60% of his passes (60.6%, in 1996 against Jax). In only 3 playoff games has he thrown for 200 yards (235 Yds on 50 attempts in 1994 against Cle; 253 Yds in 48 attempts against Green Bay in the Super Bowl in 1996 and 264 Yds in 44 attempts against Pittsburgh in 1997 - all losses). He has never had a passer rating as high as 80 in a playoff game.

    His career playoff numbers:

    129-for-252 (51.2%), 1,335 Yds (5.3 Yds/Att), 6 TD, 10 Int, 58.2 QB Rating.

    Those numbers speak for themselves. Can Drew turn it around and lead Buffalo to the playoffs if they have a strong running game and play good defense? Sure. Is he going to play well against good competition once he gets there? History says it is unlikely.


    NE39 has watched him as a Pats fan and I think his post sums it up perfectly. If you couple his post with the other stats...

    * 4INTs for every 5TDs
    * 15-to-1 attempts-to-sacks ratio
    * 57% career completion (only 3 times over 60% in 11 years)

    ....you get the entire picture on Drew.

    So in conclusion I will say:

    Drew is not the answer and needs to go, especially at his ridiculous salary. He will not "magically" turnaround a career that has been consistently in-consistent and hopelessly average for 11 years, regardless of what people "hope" a rookie HC and rookie OC "might" be able to do. He is done. Time to rebuild.

    And I'm done on Drew for awhile as well. Drew supporters have never and will never see the truth about him so it really pointless to continue, especially when you read a post like NE's which nails it so well and they still don't get it.
    Last edited by Mr. Cynical; 03-31-2004, 02:51 PM.
  • The Spaz
    Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 19066

    #2
    Already read it in the last thread but thanks for trying to start **** again.

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    • kal123
      Maybe?
      • Oct 2003
      • 9766

      #3
      That thread got moved and this info was drowning in wysmania, and I felt it was too accurate/valuable to get lost in the weeds. Now I can honestly "give it a rest" since this basically says it all IMO.

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      • Romes
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 5764

        #4
        What about Ingtar's "reality" that it wasn't Drew but the failure of the system.



        Not to mention we know that is what Mularkey and Wyche have said, it was the system, that Bledsoe is still a good QB.

        NE39 is a good poster and there is truth to his post, but no offense to him I'll take Ingtar's, Mularkey's and Wyche's word first.
        Originally posted by paladin warrior
        RALPH is drove me nut.

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        • kal123
          Maybe?
          • Oct 2003
          • 9766

          #5
          Originally posted by Romes
          What about Ingtar's "reality" that it wasn't Drew but the failure of the system.



          Not to mention we know that is what Mularkey and Wyche have said, it was the system, that Bledsoe is still a good QB.

          NE39 is a good poster and there is truth to his post, but no offense to him I'll take Ingtar's, Mularkey's and Wyche's word first.


          ....

          ....

          Dammit. I can't hold it anymore.

          Romes, just for a minute forget about the last 2 years. Look at his career *before* Killdrive. This is what people mean by the "reality of Drew". You can't blame Drew's entire career struggles on KG's system. Yes it had an impact the last two years, but you have to look at Drew's entire 11 year career to see the "reality of Drew".

          As for MM and Wyche... what else are they going to say if TD is intent on saving face with his decision on Drew. MM is stuck with what he has until something changes from above. As for Wyche...same thing. They are all towing TD's party line as good employees should. Ingtar's post is well written and I don't argue with his points. However, as I mentioned, you need to look at Drew's entire career, not just the last two years.

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          • Jan Reimers
            Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
            • May 2003
            • 17353

            #6
            Here it is, guys: Drew is our QB. Stop whining about, suck it up, and move forward.
            Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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            • saviorbledsoe
              All-Pro Zoner
              • Jul 2003
              • 2391

              #7
              Re: The Reality of Drew

              Originally posted by kal123
              FYI - I'm reposting this from the other thread so that it doesn't get lost because of all the "wysmania". This will be my final word on Drew for awhile. :)





              NE39 has watched him as a Pats fan and I think his post sums it up perfectly. If you couple his post with the other stats...

              * 4INTs for every 5TDs
              * 15-to-1 attempts-to-sacks ratio
              * 57% career completion (only 3 times over 60% in 11 years)

              ....you get the entire picture on Drew.

              So in conclusion I will say:

              Drew is not the answer and needs to go, especially at his ridiculous salary. He will not "magically" turnaround a career that has been consistently in-consistent and hopelessly average for 11 years, regardless of what people "hope" a rookie HC and rookie OC "might" be able to do. He is done. Time to rebuild.

              And I'm done on Drew for awhile as well. Drew supporters have never and will never see the truth about him so it really pointless to continue, especially when you read a post like NE's which nails it so well and they still don't get it.
              u r sad

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              • THATHURMANATOR
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 69112

                #8
                WTF???????????????????????????????????????????
                ???????????????????????????????????????????????
                ??????????????????????????

                Yes we need to draft our QB of the future this year. We know that. I am so sick of this.

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                • Romes
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5764

                  #9
                  Originally posted by kal123




                  ....

                  ....

                  Dammit. I can't hold it anymore.

                  Romes, just for a minute forget about the last 2 years. Look at his career *before* Killdrive. This is what people mean by the "reality of Drew". You can't blame Drew's entire career struggles on KG's system. Yes it had an impact the last two years, but you have to look at Drew's entire 11 year career to see the "reality of Drew".

                  As for MM and Wyche... what else are they going to say if TD is intent on saving face with his decision on Drew. MM is stuck with what he has until something changes from above. As for Wyche...same thing. They are all towing TD's party line as good employees should. Ingtar's post is well written and I don't argue with his points. However, as I mentioned, you need to look at Drew's entire career, not just the last two years.
                  Kal,

                  I understand what you are trying to say, you have repeated your same arguement a billion times. Try to understand that even though you can't see them, Bledsoe does have strengths. There is a reason he has been a starter for his entirer career. Bledsoe can be an effective QB in this league granted someone figure out the best system for him. You cannot tell me that everything has been tried with him. Give Mularkey, Clement and Wyche and chance with him before you attempt to pass off your opinion as fact.

                  At least understand this, Bledsoe is our QB next year deal with it.
                  Originally posted by paladin warrior
                  RALPH is drove me nut.

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                  • mightyspaz
                    Short, Furry and Cold
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 245

                    #10
                    Kal,
                    Talk to me next season. Give him a chance to prove himself. My brother talked to Mularky yesterday and all he kept telling me is how he is an amazingly down to earth person and how he has a lot of faith in bledsoe. He said they get along great!
                    Bledsoe is gonna have a great year and so are the Bills!
                    And you can quote that on you next thread!
                    ThE MiGhTy SpAz
                    - I remember watching objects fly in my house Jan. 27th 1991 (XXV) as Scott Norwood missed, But I remember holding hands in my living room as Steve Christie scored three points to cap a 35 point comeback victory with Frank Reich at the Helm.

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                    • The Natrix
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 7305

                      #11
                      Hey Mighty Spaz:

                      is your countdown accurate? Wouldn't that make it Thursday the 22nd?



                      Byrd.

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                      • kal123
                        Maybe?
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 9766

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Romes


                        Kal,

                        I understand what you are trying to say, you have repeated your same arguement a billion times. Try to understand that even though you can't see them, Bledsoe does have strengths. There is a reason he has been a starter for his entirer career. Bledsoe can be an effective QB in this league granted someone figure out the best system for him. You cannot tell me that everything has been tried with him. Give Mularkey, Clement and Wyche and chance with him before you attempt to pass off your opinion as fact.

                        At least understand this, Bledsoe is our QB next year deal with it.
                        I'm glad you have at least recognized the fact that I have said it a billion times. I'm also glad you didn't respond with a Gilbride-related answer, because many others just don't get that that has nothing to do with the question I keep asking, e.g., the rest of his career.

                        One thing I will say don't tell me what I can and cannot see. I agreed with NE39, which means I do see his strengths. If you read his post he mentions Drew's positive attributes, so by agreeing with the post 100%, I agree with those assessments.

                        But I what I also see are his weaknesses, ones which are mentioned in NE's post and others which are supported by the trend of the data from 11 years.

                        If he needs a "good system" for him to be effective, fine....pay him like a Delhomme and call it a day. Call a spade a spade. What I don't accept is all the "give him another chance" and "not everything has been tried" stuff. Sorry, but 11 years is more than enough.

                        And as for being a starter for his entire career....he LOST his starting position in NE two years ago, and then came to a team which was reeling in a QB drought. Ever wonder why there wasn't a line of teams in the Drew Sweepstakes? One would think if he were that great he would have had alot more offers on the table. No, I think alot of GMs knew better about the Reality of Drew and stayed away. Sidenote: I have admitted several times that I was excited about Drew coming here. But that doesn't mean I have to blindly continue to support him. I didn't do the homework on him back then...and if I had, I would have been in the "say no" line.

                        And as for "At least understand this, Bledsoe is our QB next year deal with it." Who is the one trying to pass off their opinion as fact now, eh? Are you TD? Are you in his daily meetings? Do you know for absolute fact that he is not going to cut him? No, you don't. Therefore you need to "deal" with me posting about Drew whenever I feel the need. You saw the title of the thead and nobody forced you to click on it.

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                        • kal123
                          Maybe?
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 9766

                          #13
                          Originally posted by mightyspaz
                          Kal,
                          Talk to me next season. Give him a chance to prove himself. My brother talked to Mularky yesterday and all he kept telling me is how he is an amazingly down to earth person and how he has a lot of faith in bledsoe. He said they get along great!
                          Bledsoe is gonna have a great year and so are the Bills!
                          And you can quote that on you next thread!
                          Trust me, I would be the happiest guy on the planet if it all works out and I'm wrong about Drew. Why the heck would I be posting here if I didn't give a s*** about the Bills? I was born there, my father was born there, I love the team pure and simple and want them to win the SB one day with every fiber of my being.

                          But that said, I just can't share your optimism on Drew. On MM, yes - he seems to have been a good choice....so far. But Drew has had more than enough chances, so all I can say is hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

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                          • Romes
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 5764

                            #14
                            First....thurmanators post is very annoying...could a mod or someone trim the number of "?'s" so that a post can be seen without scrolling left to right.

                            OK now Kal,

                            Well, if you can see Bledsoe's strengths than post one for once a balanced view point. Yours are far more weighted towards the negative side. I couldn't tell you saw any of his strengths from your posts. Don't get upset because you don't like my perception of you. My opinion is based on what I read from you.

                            If you see his strengths that NE39 pointed out then you must realize that Bledsoe does have tools that a coach can work with to form an effective NFL QB.
                            NE39's strengths for Bledsoe are that:
                            A) He is bright
                            B) Reads defenses well
                            C) Good leader
                            D) Good at the deep throws
                            E) Very tough player

                            Shoot, if he is bright then he should also be able to see his flaws and correct them.

                            Reads defenses well...good this is needed and if Mularkey simplifies the WR reads then countering the play should be easier under this system.

                            A good strong leader at QB that a team needs. IMO, this is invaluable. A QB needs this, without a doubt.

                            His ability on the deep route is a weapon for this team. He just needs to learn to check down more.

                            His weakness are all workable...there is nothing there that makes me think we are doomed with Bledsoe.

                            A) He is immobile - get the ball out quickly, not every QB is a mobile one.
                            B) Has trouble checking off - this seems to contradict A of the positives but still again...they need to drill it in his head to dump it off. You say well he has been in the league for 11 years, he should know by now. I say Wyche has the knowledge to finally make it click.
                            C) Doesn't live, breath and eat football...can't argue much hear...other than I don't know Bledsoe personally so I couldn't really say and we all know how the media likes to squew people's images (ie Flutie/Johnson)
                            D) Doesn't do well late in the playoffs - This is the worry, but how did Kelly do late in the playoffs? How long did it take before Elway finally won a Super Bowl?

                            As for him being a starter his entirer career...I highly doubt Bledsoe loses that job if he doesn't get injured. How do you know there wasn't a line of teams for Drew are you tapped into the NFL phone lines? How do you know the offers that NE had on their table?(just using the same logic you used against me).

                            OK, true it doesn't become fact that Bledsoe is our QB next year till it actually happens. Those are just symantics though. All indications point to him being our QB next year. You can't deny that. If TD and MM says he is our QB next year then I believe it. Show me a time when TD has blatantly lied about someone having a starting position on the team.

                            Lastly, I am dealing with your posts because I do read them and I do reply. That is how I deal. When I get sick of it I will stop. My problem is not you posting about Drew. Thats what message boards are for you can post under TOS all day. You complained about me telling you what you do/do not realize but you do the same thing to others, i was trying to reply in my post using a similar style to your posts (notice the bold, the conclusion part,etc)...if you can't handle it don't dish it out.
                            Originally posted by paladin warrior
                            RALPH is drove me nut.

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                            • Tatonka
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 21289

                              #15
                              i just want to note that i am not posting on this thread.

                              "All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity." ~ Gordie Howe

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