Interesting Rumors

[clumping platelets]

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http://www.sportsrumormill.com/viewtopic.php?t=16697

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[Earthquake Enyart]

Asks me to register. :mad:

[Tatonka]

yeah.. i am not registering.

can you just post the info?

[clumping platelets]

The author is a reported "insider" like Ingtar




Cleveland and Buffalo have been talking recently. Buffalo is interested in moving up to #7 to select Roy Williams ,Ben Roethlisberger, or Kellen Winslow. Additionally, Buffalo has spoken with San Diego regarding the #1 overall pick. This of course would be for Eli Manning


Another trade I feel comfortable with is Buffalo trading up for Winslow. Buffalo does like Roethlisberger and Manning but feel confident that Bledsoe can achieve in 2004 with a solid TE. This would be a double answer for a weak passing game. Donahue feels they can aquire a veteran QB post June 1st to backup


Buffalo trades #13, #74, and #109 to Arizona for #3 overall to select Kellen Winslow

[Patrick76777]

Is this some silly ass fan site???

[clumping platelets]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
Am I a silly ass???


Probably :snicker:

[Earthquake Enyart]

This guy is smokin ganga.


So the three trades I feel have the best chance as of today of actually occurring are as follows;
New Orleans trade #18 #48 #150 and a 2005 2nd rnd pick to San Diego for #1 overall to select Eli Manning.
Buffalo trades #13, #74, and #109 to Arizona for #3 overall to select Kellen Winslow.
Jacksonville trades #9 & # 70 and #249 to Detroit for #6 overall to select Larry Fitzgerald.

My top ten Mock now appears as follows;
San Diego to Saints QB Eli Manning
Oakland OT Robert Gallery
Arizona to Buffalo TE Kellen Winslow
Giants QB Ben Roethlisberger
Redskins DT Tommie Harris
Lions to Jacksonville WR Larry Fitzgerald
Browns S Sean Taylor
Falcons DB DeAngelo Hall
Jaguars to Lions WR Roy Williams
Texans DE Wil Smith

[Dozerdog]

That is ridiculous



Originally posted by Patrick76777
Is this some silly ass fan site???


It's a forum anyone can register in.


Hey clump, does this "insider" have a track record? Or is this a Brian H wannabe

[clumping platelets]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
That is ridiculous





It's a forum anyone can register in.


Hey clump, does this "insider" have a track record? Or is this a Brian H wannabe

He is an "insider" like Ingtar but he handles cap & draft issues. He's been accurate about 2/3 of the time from what I can tell. He gets his share of abuse on that site, so they gave him his own highly moderated forum

[ryjam282]

I would love it soooo much if we could get Winslow. He is a bit of a loose cannon sometimes but brings the attitude this team needs. He's a soldier :)

I really want Rivers but if we got Winslow, I would be sooo pumped. He could do for our WR's what Shockey does for the Giant WR's. Ike Hilliard has been pretty good since Shockey got there....What do you think?

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
He is an "insider" like Ingtar but he handles cap & draft issues. He's been accurate about 2/3 of the time from what I can tell. He gets his share of abuse on that site, so they gave him his own highly moderated forum



Not to harp,


....but what has he gotten right? Stuff that is somewhat obvious (like Milloy to Buffalo) or suprises, Like Sapp to the Raiders?

[Ickybaluky]

I realize you guys may want to believe that, but giving up only the #74 (3rd Rnd) and #109 (5th Rnd) to move up from #13 to #3? Value-wise, that is not giving up very much, unless there is something else involved, like a future pick.

[clumping platelets]

#109 is our 4th rd pick. I agree NE39, unless the Cards are "very" motivated, that deal does not make sense value wise

[The Spaz]

Move up to #3 and select Winslow that is BS. I wouldn't mid moving up there to get someone like Fitzgerald or Gallery but not for Winslow.

[clumping platelets]

I also agree Spaz, Winslow at #3? :shakeno:

[Tatonka]

you do not give up picks in the most talented draft to happened in the last 10-20 years. you go get more picks if possible.

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
That is ridiculous





It's a forum anyone can register in.


Hey clump, does this "insider" have a track record? Or is this a Brian H wannabe

:laughter:

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Move up to #3 and select Winslow that is BS. I wouldn't mid moving up there to get someone like Fitzgerald or Gallery but not for Winslow.

You are absolutely right, Spaz. We would be crazy.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by Tatonka
you do not give up picks in the most talented draft to happened in the last 10-20 years. you go get more picks if possible.

It's not giving up that much to move up to 3. But Winslow? :huh:

How could be pass up Taylor, Fitzgerald or Big Ben? :scratch:

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
#109 is our 4th rd pick. I agree NE39, unless the Cards are "very" motivated, that deal does not make sense value wise


Originally posted by The Spaz
Move up to #3 and select Winslow that is BS. I wouldn't mid moving up there to get someone like Fitzgerald or Gallery but not for Winslow.

The only way any of this makes sense is if it's with the Redskins. The Skins need picks, (they have only 1 other, I beleive)and they want to move down in the 1st round because of the cap sace needed to sign a top 5 pick.

[Gunzlingr]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
It's not giving up that much to move up to 3. But Winslow? :huh:

How could be pass up Taylor, Fitzgerald or Big Ben? :scratch:

amen to that!

[clumping platelets]

I'm wary of Winslow.......his agents will most likely be the Poston's :shakeno:

Bills trade up to #3, it better be for one of the QB's, WR's, or Gallery!!

Hmmm........

Bills trade #13, #74, 2nd rd 2005, and OL Jennings to Cards for #3, and 4th rd 2005 :up:

Gallery would be my first choice, then one of the QB's, then Fitzgerald

[TKO]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
It's not giving up that much to move up to 3. But Winslow? :huh:
How could be pass up Taylor, Fitzgerald or Big Ben? :scratch:
this rumor is crazy :freako:

[ryjam282]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
I'm wary of Winslow.......his agents will most likely be the Poston's :shakeno:

Bills trade up to #3, it better be for one of the QB's, WR's, or Gallery!!

Hmmm........

Bills trade #13, #74, 2nd rd 2005, and OL Jennings to Cards for #3, and 4th rd 2005 :up:

Gallery would be my first choice, then one of the QB's, then Fitzgerald


Now that is just too much to give up.....

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Bills trade #13, #74, 2nd rd 2005, and OL Jennings to Cards for #3, and 4th rd 2005 :up:

why are you so shot in the butt to trade Jennings all the time? :huh:

[Ickybaluky]

That isn't even close to value.

Last year, the Jets gave up the #13, #22 and #116 (4th) in exchange for the #4 overall selection.

Last year, Arizona traded the #6 overall selection to New Orleans in exchange for the #17 and #18, and they were panned for not getting enough value in return (based on history).

Past trades for top-5 selections require similar value in return. This deal isn't even close.

If the Bills were talking the #13, next year's #1 and the #74, that might be believable. It would take that kind of value, 2 1st rounders and something else later on.

[clumping platelets]

Originally posted by Ebenezer


why are you so shot in the butt to trade Jennings all the time? :huh:


If Gallery were the choice, why keep him

Why not get something for him before he leaves as UFA? :shakeno:

[Earthquake Enyart]

Originally posted by NE39
That isn't even close to value.

Last year, the Jets gave up the #13, #22 and #116 (4th) in exchange for the #4 overall selection.

Last year, Arizona traded the #6 overall selection to New Orleans in exchange for the #17 and #18, and they were panned for not getting enough value in return (based on history).

Past trades for top-5 selections require similar value in return. This deal isn't even close.

If the Bills were talking the #13, next year's #1 and the #74, that might be believable. It would take that kind of value, 2 1st rounders and something else later on.


Wow. I actually agree with you. :const:

[TKO]

Originally posted by NE39
That isn't even close to value.

Last year, the Jets gave up the #13, #22 and #116 (4th) in exchange for the #4 overall selection.

Last year, Arizona traded the #6 overall selection to New Orleans in exchange for the #17 and #18, and they were panned for not getting enough value in return (based on history).

Past trades for top-5 selections require similar value in return. This deal isn't even close.

If the Bills were talking the #13, next year's #1 and the #74, that might be believable. It would take that kind of value, 2 1st rounders and something else later on.
And this is a deeper draft so teams probably want even more picks in return.

[justasportsfan]

Who's Donahue?

[Canadian'eh!]

i think the skins or lions will pull a trade for those two 1st rounders the pats have(and more). I'm no insider just a hunch. they both have plenty of needs and the skins especially have next to nothing in picks beside that #5.

as for this insider.... I'm all for listenting to any rumor.. (even ones i made up myself) but it would help me feel more at ease with the rumor if he knew how to spell DONAHOE.

ps- Ingtar, your post on the bills problems from last year was one of the best i ever read. thanks for the insight.

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Canadian'eh!
i think the skins or lions will pull a trade for those two 1st rounders the pats have(and more). I'm no insider just a hunch. they both have plenty of needs and the skins especially have next to nothing in picks beside that #5.

as for this insider.... I'm all for listenting to any rumor.. (even ones i made up myself) but it would help me feel more at ease with the rumor if he knew how to spell DONAHOE.

ps- Ingtar, your post on the bills problems from last year was one of the best i ever read. thanks for the insight.

Welcome Eh!

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Move up to #3 and select Winslow that is BS. I wouldn't mid moving up there to get someone like Fitzgerald or Gallery but not for Winslow.

Totally agree. F**k that. :up:

Even though this is a fantasy, there's no way I'd waste a #3 for a TE. I don't care how good he is. At that level I'd go QB, WR and DE. (in that order)

[Dantheman1280]

If we did any one of these stupid thing I would be very upset, this is a very deep draft at virtually every positon. why trade up, if any thing trade down!!

[elltrain22]

Wow, I hope that any of those scenarios work out.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by elltrain22
Wow, I hope that any of those scenarios work out.

You like selecting Winslow at #3?!:dizzy:

[SoCalBillsFan]

If we manage to get he number 3 pick and waste it on winslow I will puke. if we get up that high, take gallery , Big Ben, or SEAN TAYLOR. We could even take the number three pick and trade down 2 or three spots and still get taylor. Winslow is not a good pick at that spot.

[ryjam282]

That is a little high to take Winslow IMO, I think if they were to move up that high it would be to take Big Ben or Eli....Which I think is a waste, when we could Rivers who is probably better then both of them right now.

[smack541]

I don’t believe that Winslow rumor has any validity. But, I would not be shocked about a trade up for Manning. I know it sounds ridiculous, but when you look at it closer it might not be. Donahoe has already said he is going to take a QB the first day. If he waits to the 2nd round that leaves J.P. Losman. If there not impressed with him they may have to look at the top 3. And if Donahoe thinks Manning is a no brainier I could see him making the move. Even though I think Bledsoe will rebound next year, what if he doesn’t. Then we would be screwed at the QB position and have to wait till next year to draft a QB out of a lesser talented group. I’m scared to sacrifice anymore picks though in a loaded draft. Dont forget that maybe Henry might be on the block.

[Dozerdog]

Why not just keep all the picks -n evven trade down to the mid teens- and get ben Troupe if they have such a hard on for a TE?

[mypoorfriendme]

i am no longer a supporter of tom "donahue" if we move up to the third overall for winslow. if were at number three overall, we shuold be getting larry, eli, ben, or taylor and thats about it. MAYBE gallery if hes there. but if thats all it would take to move up, id say its worth it

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by mypoorfriendme
i am no longer a supporter of tom "donahue" if we move up to the third overall for winslow. if were at number three overall, we shuold be getting larry, eli, ben, or taylor and thats about it. MAYBE gallery if hes there. but if thats all it would take to move up, id say its worth it

That scenario isn't going to happen so don't worry about it.

[mypoorfriendme]

yeah, but its fun to think about!

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by mypoorfriendme
yeah, but its fun to think about!

Not when you would slam Donahoe forselecting Winslow at #3. That sure wouldn't be fun to think about.

[The_Philster]

Interesting thoughts...but other than Big Ben and Eli...who do we have that big a need for to move up like that?


Originally posted by justasportsfan
Who's Donahue?

49ers GM

[Bled2Hen]

yea it is, i think he ment Danahoe tho

[Jeff1220]

It would be interesting, but this is all crazy talk imo.

[The Quebecer]

According to the "Trade Value Chart":
#3 = 2200 (ARI)
#13 (1150) + #74 (225) + #109 (78) = 1453 (BUF)

So if it is true, "value-wyse", it would be a steal for the Bills

As for more realistic partners:
#9 = 1400 (JAC)
#8 = 1500 (ATL)
#7 = 1600 (CLE)

Something is definitely brewing...

Later,
Pat

[One Bills Drive]

I rarely get involved in rumors such as these, but I felt it was a moral imperative to let you all know that if I were able to strike a deal for the 3rd pick in this year's draft, it would most certainly not be Winslow.

No offense, Kellen.

Sincerely,

TD

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by One Bills Drive
I rarely get involved in rumors such as these, but I felt it was a moral imperative to let you all know that if I were able to strike a deal for the 3rd pick in this year's draft, it would most certainly not be Winslow.

No offense, Kellen.

Sincerely,

TD

I knew it. Thanks TD for the reassurance!:up::beer:

[Forward_Lateral]

If the Bills get a top 5 pick, I'd prefer to see them draft a guy like Taylor or Fitzgerald if he's still available, Taylor is probably going to be the best player out of this draft, IMO.

[BigZ]

Originally posted by Tatonka
you do not give up picks in the most talented draft to happened in the last 10-20 years. you go get more picks if possible.

Agreed, although I can see them giving up one to move up to get Big Ben, not Winslow though.

[ryjam282]

Originally posted by zielinski


Agreed, although I can see them giving up one to move up to get Big Ben, not Winslow though.


I agree, but I don't think we have to move up that far for a great QB. Rivers will be available as far as #11. We just have to move up above the Steelers and get Rivers, he is the one we need.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
This guy is smokin ganga.


So the three trades I feel have the best chance as of today of actually occurring are as follows;
New Orleans trade #18 #48 #150 and a 2005 2nd rnd pick to San Diego for #1 overall to select Eli Manning.
Buffalo trades #13, #74, and #109 to Arizona for #3 overall to select Kellen Winslow.
Jacksonville trades #9 & # 70 and #249 to Detroit for #6 overall to select Larry Fitzgerald.




This guy is no insider! EE is absolutey right..........this guy is smokin something.

[BuffaloRanger]

Originally posted by smack541
Even though I think Bledsoe will rebound next year, what if he doesn’t. Then we would be screwed at the QB position and have to wait till next year to draft a QB out of a lesser talented group. I’m scared to sacrifice anymore picks though in a loaded draft. Dont forget that maybe Henry might be on the block.

If Bledsoe doesn't rebound and we don't have a decent back-up, we'll have a Top 10 pick next year. A Qb could be had there.

Also, There's always FA next year and draft day trades for a QB (Ramsey may be available - just as an example).

So all is not lost if we don't get the QB of the future in the draft.

[Tatonka]

THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

we must get a qb this year.

:D

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by BuffaloRanger


If Bledsoe doesn't rebound and we don't have a decent back-up, we'll have a Top 10 pick next year. A Qb could be had there.

Also, There's always FA next year and draft day trades for a QB (Ramsey may be available - just as an example).

So all is not lost if we don't get the QB of the future in the draft.

The thing is, if we don't get a QB this year in the draft, we lose a year in the rebuilding of the offense IMO. The problem with that is our D is hitting their prime, both in age and in contract status. If we wait until next year to draft a QB, that really means we won't have a "star" starting QB until 4 seasons from now, assume it takes 3 years to ramp to full potential. (rookie year on the bench; 2nd year he starts but takes his lumps; 3rd year he starts and shows a comfort level). At that point alot of contracts will be on the table and/or players age will catch up to them. I know this is a problem for all teams, i.e., trying to "time" draftees with vets, so it's nothing unique to the Bills.

Still, I really want them to grab a Rivers or Ben this year and I'd support a blockbuster trade to get it done (e.g., our #13 and maybe our 1st next year). The thought of having only Blew and a scrub #2 this year is too depressing to think about.