Trading Henry is writing this season off...

[OpIv37]

The prevaling logic for trading Henry seems to be that his trade value is at it's peak right now. People seem to be forgetting that a corollary to this is that he's also the most valuable to OUR TEAM right now.

Henry was the only consistent player on the offense last season. Why would the Bills get rid of their best offensive player in the midst of rebuilding the offense?

The "might as well get what we can for him" attitude is defeatist. Anyone who would rather take a gamble on WM and a draft pick is implying that the only way to win this year is to take a chance and hope it pays off.

If WM plays well, there is probably little hope that we will be able to keep both backs after next season, but I would rather have them both on the Bills and be able to choose the better of the two. Trading Henry for a draft pick is only a good move under two conditions:
1. we can still get the player we want (not a guarantee in this draft)
2. The player turns out to be a star (not just good).

There is no way of knowing if either of these will be true, let alone both of them.

[BidsJr]

Only if you are a pessimist...........

[The Natrix]

Writing this season off? The reason I want to see this happen is becasue I am currently writing this season off. Getting that top six pick coupled with a potentially better RB could give me some hope for this season.

:lolpoint: risk averse people


This team was 6-10. You can blame the coaching all you want but the fact still remains that a mark of 6-10 was posted.

The Bills did not have a competitive advantage going in to this offseason. They ranked #13 in terms of cap shape. In theory, 12 other teams got better in FA. Remember, the Bills were 6-10.

Another newsfash: every team takes part in the draft. We can't expect to get a 1st and a 2nd pick to elevate this team to contender status, especially when every other team is looking for potential studs on the 24th. Again, the Bills were 6-10.

Many of the key players on this team are in there 30s: Moulds, Bledsoe (simply because it is the QB position), both DTs in Pat and Sam, Milloy, Vincent, Villarial. The thing is, every single one of these players either regressed from the previous season or stayed the same.

This thing has to happen now with the current core of players or it will never happen. If they fail to make the playoffs this year, a patchwork job on the current core will be a lost cause...

...However, this doesn't mean the draft should not address the future, it simply means that some RISKS should be made to give us a chance to win now. The perfect way to accomplish this is to move Henry if it is an option. Again this depends on the coaches and doctors evaluation of Willis and of course, a willing team to trade with.

If Henry is dealt and McGahee is a bust (highly unlikely) or is injured (more likely than the former senario) there is a good chance that the team was going nowhere anyway, namely because of poor QB play, inadaquate pass rush coupled with suspect FS coverage, poor O-line chemistry, Defensive coaching minus Williams and Lebeau and possibly other weaknesses. A new RB can be found when the QB and WR that are to be drafted this year are coming in to their own.

You gotta take risks. You can't be a conservative fairy, like the guy who plays nothing but nickel slots during a weekend at the casino.

[juice]

8-8 NO PLAYOFFS :madcloud: 10-6 PLAYOFFS :mex:

[BidsJr]

I love copy paste (:

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by BidsJr
Only if you are a pessimist...........

I most certainly am, especially when it comes to draft picks. Anyone know where Ryan Leaf is now? What about Heath Shuler? Too many early round QB's (assuming that's what we'd be pursuing with an earlier pick) have been flops.

[The Natrix]

Originally posted by BidsJr
I love copy paste (:

I'm shameless

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by The Natrix

You gotta take risks. You can't be a conservative fairy, like the guy who plays nothing but nickel slots during a weekend at the casino.

there has to be an associated cost-benefit analysis done with any risk. I agree that we need some young talent on the team, I just think the potential benefit from a good draft pick isn't worth the risk of losing the heart and soul of the offense.

[BidsJr]

Originally posted by OpIv37


I most certainly am, especially when it comes to draft picks. Anyone know where Ryan Leaf is now? What about Heath Shuler? Too many early round QB's (assuming that's what we'd be pursuing with an earlier pick) have been flops.

Ever heard of John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Steve McNair??????

Still have a chance of hitting a home run.

Maybe all 3 have a chance this year like in 83?


You can nitpick busts every year over the last 30 years all you want. But to be a bust you must first have high expectations.

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by BidsJr


Ever heard of John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Steve McNair??????

Still have a chance of hitting a home run.

Maybe all 3 have a chance this year like in 83?


You can nitpick busts every year over the last 30 years all you want. But to be a bust you must first have high expectations.

Anyone picked in the first round has high expectations, IMO. There's over 100 teams in Division I-A ball, and the best 32 players are picked in the first round.

If it's your team's pick, of course it's a gamble but it's worthwhile because every other team is gambling too. If a key player is traded, and the pick is a bust, then you lost a star AND a pick. Not the way to build for the future.

[BidsJr]

Originally posted by OpIv37


Anyone picked in the first round has high expectations, IMO. There's over 100 teams in Division I-A ball, and the best 32 players are picked in the first round.

If it's your team's pick, of course it's a gamble but it's worthwhile because every other team is gambling too. If a key player is traded, and the pick is a bust, then you lost a star AND a pick. Not the way to build for the future.



With this train of thought we'd still be riding horse and buggies.

Actually we'd be like France and Canada.

Thank God I'm not a liberal.

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by BidsJr




With this train of thought we'd still be riding horse and buggies.

Actually we'd be like France and Canada.

Thank God I'm not a liberal.

how does being cautious with draft picks make me a liberal?

[BidsJr]

Lack of progressiveness and forward thinking make societies liberal. FEAR of failure FEAR of taking chances leads to socialist governments that take that fear away. (Because everyone is equal. This takes away risk)


Risk is what make America .............america

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by BidsJr
Lack of progressiveness and forward thinking make societies liberal. FEAR of failure FEAR of taking chances leads to socialist governments that take that fear away. (Because everyone is equal. This takes away risk)


Risk is what make America .............america

This is football not christ sakes not government.

[mightyspaz]

Um.... I've had enough ... I'm wondering if it is time for a henry trade truce? ..... Can it be combined with the Bledsoe Truce? ...
The DBT and the HTT
I think they should unite!

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by BidsJr
Lack of progressiveness and forward thinking make societies liberal. FEAR of failure FEAR of taking chances leads to socialist governments that take that fear away. (Because everyone is equal. This takes away risk)


Risk is what make America .............america

I think you got that backwards- lack of progressivness is conservativism. Fear of taking chances is fear of change- liberals are known for advocating social change. Liberals do typically advocate equality of outcome over equality of opportunity, which is somewhat in line with what you are saying. But liberals are typically the ones willing to take chances on social change.

And conservatives are typically the ones who are traditionalist, meaning they are looking at the past or status quo versus the future.

Wow, we are really off-topic.

[juice]

Originally posted by BidsJr
Lack of progressiveness and forward thinking make societies liberal. FEAR of failure FEAR of taking chances leads to socialist governments that take that fear away. (Because everyone is equal. This takes away risk)


Risk is what make America .............america

Political Science Guy......... America needs diplomacy

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by juice


Political Science Guy......... America needs diplomacy

trust me- his post had very little to do with political science

[BidsJr]

Originally posted by The Spaz


This is football not christ sakes not government.


1. We have football because we are allowed too.
2. People follow certain paths because of what they believe.
3. Communism is directly tied to people not taking risks because it is the safe decision. (It is also the law)
4. Christ is directly and indirectly tied into the previous 3. Glad you brought him up. (:

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by BidsJr



1. We have football because we are allowed too.
2. People follow certain paths because of what they believe.
3. Communism is directly tied to people not taking risks because it is the safe decision. (It is also the law)
4. Christ is directly and indirectly tied into the previous 3. Glad you brought him up. (:

:rofl:

[BidsJr]

Originally posted by juice


Political Science Guy......... America needs diplomacy



America needs to remember what happened.........

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by BidsJr



1. We have football because we are allowed too.
2. People follow certain paths because of what they believe.
3. Communism is directly tied to people not taking risks because it is the safe decision. (It is also the law)
4. Christ is directly and indirectly tied into the previous 3. Glad you brought him up. (:

This is closer to political science. But communism abolished all private property and the elite class- there's definitely risk in that. In addition, the whole thing started with a revolution that resulted in war and executions- that's a huge risk. Don't get me wrong- I'm not defending communists at all- I'm just saying that they do take risks.

[juice]

Originally posted by BidsJr
4. Christ is directly and indirectly tied into the previous 3. Glad you brought him up. (:

Christ Guy.... You all need Jesus

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by mightyspaz
Um.... I've had enough ... I'm wondering if it is time for a henry trade truce? ..... Can it be combined with the Bledsoe Truce? ...
The DBT and the HTT
I think they should unite!

The off-season is making us go crazy. We have to find something to argue about when we can't debate the play-calling or the officiating.

[BidsJr]

Originally posted by OpIv37


This is closer to political science. But communism abolished all private property and the elite class- there's definitely risk in that. In addition, the whole thing started with a revolution that resulted in war and executions- that's a huge risk. Don't get me wrong- I'm not defending communists at all- I'm just saying that they do take risks.

Government dictating law on a culture is hardly risk.

What are they going to do? Revolt with the weapons that the government has prohibited them from having?

I think you missed my point.

And if you didn't you would be defending your conservative values.

[BidsJr]

Originally posted by juice


Christ Guy.... You all need Jesus

I agree we ALL do need Jesus

[The Natrix]

I need a beer.

[BidsJr]

Anyway I love Henry. I would hate to see him go. I just want us to get as much from him as we can. Either this year or next.

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by The Natrix
I need a beer.

I need some sleep. I'll check on this thread tomorrow, most likely buried in the TZ

[juice]

Originally posted by The Natrix
I need a beer.

Make sure its a domestic... No Guiness stuff..... Wouldn't want to be labeled a Communist.

[BidsJr]

Importation of a fine Dublin brew would hardly be labled commy.

We should all sip on a Guiness as we toke on a fine Cuban Montecristo #2 (Cigar)

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by OpIv37
Henry was the only consistent player on the offense last season. Why would the Bills get rid of their best offensive player in the midst of rebuilding the offense?

First, I would argue that Moulds is our best offensive player, not Henry.

Second, if they are rebuilding as you say....then I would say "you have to break some eggs to make an omelette". Sure, Henry is solid, but if TD thought he was long term he wouldn't have drafted WM. Taking a risk and trading him to move up the draft ladder would be a bold but smart move IMO.


Originally posted by OpIv37
Anyone who would rather take a gamble on WM and a draft pick is implying that the only way to win this year is to take a chance and hope it pays off.


Not true. I would take the gamble in the hopes that we are building toward the future. Meaning, if we got Ben because of some form of Henry trade, I would not expect him to help the Bills win this year. But I want that new foundation built and I want it started now rather than a year from now.

[mightyspaz]

I don't know what to say ... :lol: ... at all

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by mightyspaz
I don't know what to say ... :lol: ... at all

Give it a try. Inquiring minds want to know. :up: