13. Buffalo Bills (BZ Mock Draft)

[Patrick76777]

The Buffalo Bills are now on the clock, Please select the player you feel the Buffalo Bills are most likely to choose.




With the Thirtieth pick, The Buffalo Bills select:




DE Will Smith Ohio State
Chris Gamble CB Ohio St.
Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina
Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
Lee Evans, WR, Wisconsin





1. San Diego - Eli Manning
2. Oakland Raiders - Robert Gallery
3. Arizona Cardinals - Larry Fitzgerald
4. New York Giants - Ben Roethlisberger
5. Washington Redskins - Kellen Winslow
6. Detroit Lions – Sean Taylor
7. Cleveland Browns - Roy Williams
8. Atlanta Falcons - Tommy Harris
9. Jacksonville Jaguars - Kenechi Udeze
10. Houston Texans - Vince Wilfork
11. Pittsburgh Steelers – Phillip Rivers
12. New York Jets - Deangelo Hall

[Patrick76777]

Give me a shout out if you think I left anybody off. I'll try not to melt down this time. Sorry Spaz! you had a good point!

Stampede, We're going to let this one run thru the night so everyone gets a chance!

And no trading down, so just pick someone!

[Patrick76777]

I'm happy if it goes like this because I have a huge boner for Will Smith!

[jwright]

Bills shock the league again and select Vincent Wilfork. Sam Adams is old and Pat Williams is at the end of his contract. Of course they try their best to trade down but no takers since so many teams want to trade down also. I wouldn't draft Wilfork but this pick has TD written all over it.

[chernobylwraiths]

If ever there was a good trade down scenario, then this is it. Smith is probably the best player to take here. Losman is just too much of a reach, CB we don't really need, and WR is just too deep not to get a reasonably good player later. The OT is also intriguing, but I would say that if these were the only players left here, take a trade down with NE, Philly, Dallas, or whoever comes up with the best offer.

[Patrick76777]

Maybe if Houston didn't take him at #10 in this draft!

[jwright]

Nevermind...Houston has him and I cannot read.

[chernobylwraiths]

Originally posted by jwright
Bills shock the league again and select Vincent Wilfork. Sam Adams is old and Pat Williams is at the end of his contract. Of course they try their best to trade down but no takers since so many teams want to trade down also. I wouldn't draft Wilfork but this pick has TD written all over it.

Wilfork went already in this draft. His list is about as close to who we would pick as it gets.

[DraftBoy]

I said Losman, while he may be a reach at this point none of the players left will make an impact and I think TD wants a pretty close to sure thing QB of the future. I see this as a needed reach. Since we cant trade down.

[Novacane]

If thats whats left we should take Will Smith

[Michael82]

Originally posted by DraftBoy
I said Losman, while he may be a reach at this point none of the players left will make an impact and I think TD wants a pretty close to sure thing QB of the future. I see this as a needed reach. Since we cant trade down.

Are you high!? Losman at #13!?!? :snicker: :rofl: :lmao: :lol:

[Michael82]

BTW...I think this is a no brainer...Reggie Williams is going to be a damn good receiver and is compared to a Steroidless, Less Attitude, David Boston in Sporting News.


With the 13th selection of the 2004 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select....

WR Reggie Williams from the University of Washington

[DraftBoy]

Originally posted by Mikey82


Are you high!? Losman at #13!?!? :snicker: :rofl: :lmao: :lol:

Who the hell on that list is gonna make an impact year 1? Not one of those players would start all would be backups.

[jwright]

I say Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina. The guy can fly and Clements contract is going be coming up in the near future. I would hate to see them take a WR b/c histroy shows that it is a very risky pick. Hell Pittsburgh took Troy Edwards one year at 10 and everyone thought that was the right pick. He was amazing in college. Sleeper pick maybe DJ Williams, Posey contract is cap friendly and can be terminated without a huge hit.

[DraftBoy]

Originally posted by Mikey82
BTW...I think this is a no brainer...Reggie Williams is going to be a damn good receiver and is compared to a Steroidless, Less Attitude, David Boston in Sporting News.


With the 13th selection of the 2004 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select....

WR Reggie Williams from the University of Washington

Reggie Williams?? Are you high? Kid has size but his hands are suspect and his numbers are mediocre for being the only real weapon his whole career at Washington. Hes more of a later rd 1 rd 2 player. He is OVER-HYPED!

[Patrick76777]

Will Smith people! Forget the skill positions. This guy is real big and real fast! he'll be chasing the QB for the next 12 years.

Pass rush on this team has been weak for years now!

[DraftBoy]

Id go with three players:

Smith, Robinson or Losman

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
Will Smith people! Forget the skill positions. This guy is real big and real fast! he'll be chasing the QB for the next 12 years.

Pass rush on this team has been weak for years now!

He's not big! If anything...he's small for the DE position in the NFL.

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Mikey82


He's not big! If anything...he's small for the DE position in the NFL.



Wrong! Do your homework

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green




Wrong! Do your homework

6'3 275 Lbs. isn't small but he played at 260-265 so in training camp that extra 10 Lbs. could be gone very easily.

[jwright]

And he makes really bad movies not to mention he's an awful rapper.

[chernobylwraiths]

Originally posted by jwright
And he makes really bad movies not to mention he's an awful rapper.

Now that was just wrong. I used to like "Parents just don't understand", "Nightmare on My Street". :D

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
If thats whats left we should take Will Smith

unfortunately, me too.


Originally posted by Mikey82
BTW...I think this is a no brainer...Reggie Williams is going to be a damn good receiver and is compared to a Steroidless, Less Attitude, David Boston in Sporting News.


With the 13th selection of the 2004 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select....

WR Reggie Williams from the University of Washington

you laugh at the losman pick, but then use a high first rounder on a guy that is not even the 3rd best wr. i would take woods and evans over him. like draftboy said.. overrated.


Originally posted by Mikey82
He's not big! If anything...he's small for the DE position in the NFL.

he is 15lbs heavier than jason taylor. same height.

[BillsMan80]

Reggie Williams easily. He's gonna be a stud. Will Smith is going to be the most overrated bust to come out of this draft. He was so damn overhyped it isn't even funny. Never did anything at Ohio State. Name only. If we take Will Smith we will regret the pick for years to come. Erik Flowers Round 2.

[STAMPY]

Shane Andrews is a possibility to help our Oline, he's a big fat slob that can block. i went with reggie williams tho, i wish it was mike williams tho :( To be honest my heart was with JP Losman, i wish we could trade down 5-6 spots and grab him there

[Tatonka]

it is so funny..

none of us have a single clue.. the players dont even have a single clue.. if they are going to be successful..

and the odds are that like half the guys at any position are gonna either blow or be nothing better than average.. go back and look at every first round..

one guy thinks will smith is the biggest bust ever.. the other guy thinks reggie williams is over hyped.. funny thing is.. alot of peoples opinions are swayed by what they want.. if person A thinks we should draft a WR.. then he thinks less of the other player because it is not the guy he wants.. and so forth.

it is just funny.. none of the experts and none of you (or me) really know what the hell we are talking about.. and wont know how good any of these players will be until 2-3 years down the road. and the spot that these guys end up getting drafted in is gonna be so ass backwards and screwed up to how they actually perform.. its just funny.

[Patrick76777]

Originally posted by Tatonka
it is so funny..

none of us have a single clue.. the players dont even have a single clue.. if they are going to be successful..

and the odds are that like half the guys at any position are gonna either blow or be nothing better than average.. go back and look at every first round..

one guy thinks will smith is the biggest bust ever.. the other guy thinks reggie williams is over hyped.. funny thing is.. alot of peoples opinions are swayed by what they want.. if person A thinks we should draft a WR.. then he thinks less of the other player because it is not the guy he wants.. and so forth.

it is just funny.. none of the experts and none of you (or me) really know what the hell we are talking about.. and wont know how good any of these players will be until 2-3 years down the road. and the spot that these guys end up getting drafted in is gonna be so ass backwards and screwed up to how they actually perform.. its just funny.


RIght on!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Originally posted by Tatonka
it is so funny..

none of us have a single clue.. the players dont even have a single clue.. if they are going to be successful..

and the odds are that like half the guys at any position are gonna either blow or be nothing better than average.. go back and look at every first round..

one guy thinks will smith is the biggest bust ever.. the other guy thinks reggie williams is over hyped.. funny thing is.. alot of peoples opinions are swayed by what they want.. if person A thinks we should draft a WR.. then he thinks less of the other player because it is not the guy he wants.. and so forth.

it is just funny.. none of the experts and none of you (or me) really know what the hell we are talking about.. and wont know how good any of these players will be until 2-3 years down the road. and the spot that these guys end up getting drafted in is gonna be so ass backwards and screwed up to how they actually perform.. its just funny.

You are 100% correct!

[jwright]

Originally posted by Tatonka
it is so funny..

none of us have a single clue.. the players dont even have a single clue.. if they are going to be successful..

and the odds are that like half the guys at any position are gonna either blow or be nothing better than average.. go back and look at every first round..

one guy thinks will smith is the biggest bust ever.. the other guy thinks reggie williams is over hyped.. funny thing is.. alot of peoples opinions are swayed by what they want.. if person A thinks we should draft a WR.. then he thinks less of the other player because it is not the guy he wants.. and so forth.

it is just funny.. none of the experts and none of you (or me) really know what the hell we are talking about.. and wont know how good any of these players will be until 2-3 years down the road. and the spot that these guys end up getting drafted in is gonna be so ass backwards and screwed up to how they actually perform.. its just funny.

Most accurate post in the history of the zone! But I still don't like Will Smith and I still think he is still overrated. Why try to predict the draft? B/C I enjoy talking Buffalo Bills football.

[The Spaz]

Who didn't know that?:snicker:

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by jwright
Most accurate post in the history of the zone! But I still don't like Will Smith and I still think he is still overrated. Why try to predict the draft? B/C I enjoy talking Buffalo Bills football.

oh, i hear you.. i am here all day every day speculating with the masses.. but it just struck me as funny that one guy can look at will smith and say so confidently "biggest bust ever!" and another guy can look at reggie williams and say "the most overhyped wr in the draft!".. just strong statements. it is like getting your lotto ticket and saying "This Son of a ***** is a Winner for sure!! I got the best numbers ever!!" and waving it around.. before they pull the numbers.

[chernobylwraiths]

Originally posted by Tatonka
it is so funny..

none of us have a single clue.. the players dont even have a single clue.. if they are going to be successful..

and the odds are that like half the guys at any position are gonna either blow or be nothing better than average.. go back and look at every first round..

one guy thinks will smith is the biggest bust ever.. the other guy thinks reggie williams is over hyped.. funny thing is.. alot of peoples opinions are swayed by what they want.. if person A thinks we should draft a WR.. then he thinks less of the other player because it is not the guy he wants.. and so forth.

it is just funny.. none of the experts and none of you (or me) really know what the hell we are talking about.. and wont know how good any of these players will be until 2-3 years down the road. and the spot that these guys end up getting drafted in is gonna be so ass backwards and screwed up to how they actually perform.. its just funny.

Nope, you are wrong. I am a father, therefore I am always right. :D

Hey, someone had to say it. ;)

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by chernobylwraiths
Nope, you are wrong. I am a father, therefore I am always right. :D

Hey, someone had to say it. ;)


i thought you were gonna say, your a woman.. your always right.

:snicker:

[Michael82]

The thing that kills me is that each one of the draft EXPERTS on this site has a different view and so does all the other NFL Draft EXPERTS.

[BillsMan80]

It's just that when I see Will Smith, and I see his production and play, I just can't help but think he's going to be a real bust for where he's going to be drafted. The production just isn't there, whereas with Reggie Williams, people are saying he's going to be a bust, but he's got all the skills and the production to back it up.

[chernobylwraiths]

Originally posted by Tatonka



i thought you were gonna say, your a woman.. your always right.

:snicker:

Well, anyone of us who is married knows how wrong that is. :D

At least on the inside.

[The Natrix]

Well I hope there is a better option left besides Smith and R. Williams, but if I had to choose I'd go with Will Smith.

[STAMPY]

The Losman Movement has Begun... Elway JR

[BigZ]

Originally posted by Tatonka
it is so funny..

none of us have a single clue.. the players dont even have a single clue.. if they are going to be successful..

and the odds are that like half the guys at any position are gonna either blow or be nothing better than average.. go back and look at every first round..

one guy thinks will smith is the biggest bust ever.. the other guy thinks reggie williams is over hyped.. funny thing is.. alot of peoples opinions are swayed by what they want.. if person A thinks we should draft a WR.. then he thinks less of the other player because it is not the guy he wants.. and so forth.

it is just funny.. none of the experts and none of you (or me) really know what the hell we are talking about.. and wont know how good any of these players will be until 2-3 years down the road. and the spot that these guys end up getting drafted in is gonna be so ass backwards and screwed up to how they actually perform.. its just funny.

:fabulous:

[BigZ]

Actually, with the choices left I had to really decide between Smith, Williams and Evans.

Smith wins.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by chernobylwraiths
Well, anyone of us who is married knows how wrong that is. :D

At least on the inside.

i would never tell my wife that.


Originally posted by Mikey82
The thing that kills me is that each one of the draft EXPERTS on this site has a different view and so does all the other NFL Draft EXPERTS.

if that is not definative proof that it is all just crap speculation, i dont know what is.

it is no different for bills fans.. all of us fans watch every second of every game.. we are seeing the same thing..

how is it that half of us think bledsoe is a pile of crap, and the other half thinks he is a pile of gold?

[TedMock]

Originally posted by The Natrix
Well I hope there is a better option left besides Smith and R. Williams, but if I had to choose I'd go with Will Smith.

If we're still at 13 and those are the options (I like both, don't get me wrong) I'd rather just trade down. We could probably end up with Randy Starks (DT, MD) or Vernon Carey (OG, UM) at the end of the round.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by BuffaloBillsSTAMPEDE
The Losman Movement has Begun... Elway JR

he reminds me more of farve or steve young than elway.

[The Spaz]

"Big Ben" is more like Elway.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Originally posted by Mikey82
The thing that kills me is that each one of the draft EXPERTS on this site has a different view and so does all the other NFL Draft EXPERTS.

Please Mike dont kill yourself over a game.

[The Natrix]

Rivers is like Bernie Kosar. :(

[TedMock]

Originally posted by The Natrix
Rivers is like Bernie Kosar. :(

Rivers delivery isn't as side-armed as Kosar's. Even so, Kosar was actually a quality starter for a long time on playoff teams. He wasn't as bad as people say. He did have a perm-mullett which I can do without.

[ShadowHawk7]

Will could be a tweener like bust, similar to Eric Flowers, or be the next great one, like another Smith from Back in the Day... At this point, and since we can't trade down, I'd prolly go w/ him over Reggie, b/c Reggie lacks top-end speed, and we don't need WR as much as many will admit. (If Roy slipped through, I'd take him in a heartbeat, this guy is one of the best playmaking studs out there, and would be tooo good to pass up.) Compare that to our hole a LDE, especially after the potential leave of Schobel (hopefully replaced quite aqudately by Kelsay) and you got Will Smith as the newest Bill, partly due to the lack of other wish-list players being there, and no trading down. Also, we're facing Corey Dillion, Ricky Williams, and the still dangerous C Martin. We need a solid Dline.

Actually, I think Ricky is waaay overrated (3.3 yard ave. in 2003), Dillion may be selfish, locker room cancer for the Pats, and Martin just isn't that good anymore.

[McBFLO]

I went with Evans. We need a speed WR right? He fits that description more than Reggie Williams. And I think the Bills will pass on using another high round pick on a DE.

[ShadowHawk7]

Good point Pepper. Other than Smith, he'd be my 2nd option. This guy woulda been a top-10 pick two years ago! Who cares that he's 5-11? He makes acrobatic catches w/ ease. I've seen him single handedly win games for the badgers. He's absolutely a perfect fit for us w/ his amazing speed, and ability. He's even said it himself. There's almost no shot he'll be around in the 2nd when we pick. I've seen mocks where he goes at 25. He might be a reach. But there is no1 better, and this guy is waaay underrated, IMO.

[BillsMan80]

Will Smith has done nothing in his college career up until this past year. He had not had more than 5 sacks a year until this year, when he "exploded" for 10. Now if this sudden increase in stats and numbers doesn't scream Erik Flowers/workout warrior, I don't know what does. He will be a bust. Mark my words.

[McBFLO]

Originally posted by ShadowHawk7
Good point Pepper. Other than Smith, he'd be my 2nd option. This guy woulda been a top-10 pick two years ago! Who cares that he's 5-11? He makes acrobatic catches w/ ease. I've seen him single handedly win games for the badgers. He's absolutely a perfect fit for us w/ his amazing speed, and ability. He's even said it himself. There's almost no shot he'll be around in the 2nd when we pick. I've seen mocks where he goes at 25. He might be a reach. But there is no1 better, and this guy is waaay underrated, IMO.


True, he may be a bit of a reach, according to some of the mock drafts I'm sure we've all seen, but if you think the guy will produce for you, then go for it. why take the chance of trading down to get him at a better spot when you could potentially lose him to another team?

[chernobylwraiths]

Originally posted by Tatonka


i would never tell my wife that.

Well duh. That's why I said on the inside. :)


Originally posted by Tatonka
if that is not definative proof that it is all just crap speculation, i dont know what is.

it is no different for bills fans.. all of us fans watch every second of every game.. we are seeing the same thing..

how is it that half of us think bledsoe is a pile of crap, and the other half thinks he is a pile of gold?

I think he is neither. I think he is a good QB though.

[ShadowHawk7]

Originally posted by BillsMan80
Will Smith has done nothing in his college career up until this past year. He had not had more than 5 sacks a year until this year, when he "exploded" for 10. Now if this sudden increase in stats and numbers doesn't scream Erik Flowers/workout warrior, I don't know what does. He will be a bust. Mark my words.
Consider them marked. Actually with the given players available, I choose Evans instead.

[STAMPY]

I will be sooooooooo dissappointed if will smith is a bill

[DraftBoy]

Originally posted by Mikey82
The thing that kills me is that each one of the draft EXPERTS on this site has a different view and so does all the other NFL Draft EXPERTS.

Thats kinda the point if we all agreed then this site would be nothing.

[chernobylwraiths]

Originally posted by DraftBoy


Thats kinda the point if we all agreed then this site would be nothing.

Come on everyone. Let's all join hands and sing kumbyah.

[Patrick76777]

I'm giving this till 11

[Tatonka]

my god.. a wasted 1st round pick on a wr..

lets just hope the front office is smarter than this.

[BigZ]

Well, so much for consensus!!!

:rofl:

[Patrick76777]

It's tied! WTF!

[BillsMan80]

Reggie, Reggie, Reggie!!!!!!!

[Tatonka]

sweet.. tie ball game.. and i dont even really want will smith that much.

[lordofgun]

Sudden death???

[lordofgun]

You guys should keep this going through the end of Rd. 1. :up:

[Tatonka]

not necessary.. because without taking trades into consideration, which will happen for sure.. there is no way to even be close to accurate.

[Philagape]

With all things being equal, they're equally appealing, but the need isn't equal. We need a DE more than a WR. Creating a pass rush will make more of a difference, especially by creating turnovers, than one more receiver in an offense that is supposed to be based on the run.

[lordofgun]

Originally posted by Tatonka
not necessary.. because without taking trades into consideration, which will happen for sure.. there is no way to even be close to accurate.

I realize it's not necessary., Nothing on this entire board is necessary. :)

[Tatonka]

will smith wins!

[RedEyE]

Originally posted by Tatonka
will smith wins!

:bf1:

[lordofgun]

It's tied again. :chuckle:

[RedEyE]

Originally posted by lordofgun
It's tied again. :chuckle:


It was you wasn't it :mad:

[Dantheman1280]

what about Vernon Carey?? Hes a baller

[Patrick76777]

Originally posted by Tatonka
not necessary.. because without taking trades into consideration, which will happen for sure.. there is no way to even be close to accurate.


you can't say that 100%

[lordofgun]

Now Reggie Williams is ahead. :chuckle:

[Patrick76777]

I'll end at Noon unless we see another tie!


Should we go on and try to finish the first round?

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
I'll end at Noon unless we see another tie!


Should we go on and try to finish the first round?

We can't...until we end this. :D

[Patrick76777]

I know Mikey!

At Noon, when this is finished should we finish the first round?

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
I know Mikey!

At Noon, when this is finished should we finish the first round?

Yeah, but we gotta go back to our 1- 1.5 hour deadline :D

[Tatonka]

the draft was tied at 11.. as soon as the tie was finished, it should move on.. will smith was in the lead first past 11.. he wins.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Tatonka
the draft was tied at 11.. as soon as the tie was finished, it should move on.. will smith was in the lead first past 11.. he wins.

No, the deadline is at 12 noon. :snicker:

[Tatonka]

that is a new deadline.

[thefixer74]

I picked Reggie Williams.

I think Chris Kelsay is going to be better than Will Smith.

[lordofgun]

TIED AGAIN.

[RedEyE]

Now what?

[RedEyE]

I think that LOG is stuffing the ballot box. :mad:

Will Smith wins by default.

[Michael82]

LOL...with the new Noon deadline..I say next vote wins. :D

[Patrick76777]

Well, I am running it. and I did pick Will Smith!

[Patrick76777]

Did Mike vote with each of his 10 ID's?

[lordofgun]

I swear I only voted once...and it was yesterday.

[Tatonka]

tie ball game.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
Did Mike vote with each of his 10 ID's?

No...but that's a good idea! :snicker:













:jk: :ontome:

[STAMPY]

reggie win maaaan! i did vote for him, cause no losman choice

[Patrick76777]

Give it to Reggie Williams, he's the pick!

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Patrick76777
Give it to Reggie Williams, he's the pick!

That was a close one! :up: