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[Dozerdog]

Post subject: Sean Alexander to Oakland? MY FINAL POST (Retirement)


I told my son recently I enjoy posting to all of you and answering your interesting questions. However, now that reitrement is officially two days aways my new business interest and vacations will not allow me to keep up with the posts. I promised my son that I would make the final post the best post. So what you will read below you aill only hear here as no one really knows this information besides my firm and the teams involved. My son will contnue to monitor the site under our joint username as he has in the past. I wish everyone the best and thank you for a wonderful time. Keep believing in your team and they will eventually make you proud as a fan.

Cleveland is definitely keeping me busier than normal these last few days of work. As a hired consultant by the Cleveland Browns we have been advising them this week as to where certain players will fall and who is interested in who. Over and above this we have been dealing with multiple trade scenarios for Cleveland. My contact with Cleveland and my friendship with coach Schottenheimer is how I was able to bring you the information regarding those two teams trading.

One trade I have not brought to your attention has to do with Seattle. Oakland has not up until this point allowed me to speak of any trades they may be negotiatiing. Al is a pretty secretive guy unlike the Browns. I spoke with Al today as he wished me well in my pending retirement and I secured his permission to post this information. I imagine it won't be long until ESPN or someone acts as if they were the first to leak this unless a snafu breaks the trade. So here goes.

I will show in parenthesis the trade value as assigned by Oakland to the player or pick. The trade as I last heard it in version 7 is as follows;

Seattle trades Sean Alexander(2000), and the 23rd(825) to Oakland for the #2 overall pick in round #1(2600) and DT Terdell Sands(125). In return Seattle trades Cleveland the #2 pick (2600) (contingent on Gallery's availability) for the #7 pick (1800), Dennis Northcutt (325), and a 2005 contingency pick. The contingency is based on Cleveland's 2005 record. .500 or better = a 2nd rounder while below .500 = a 3rd rounder.

Now the parameters for this trade are finalized and in writing. I have a copy here myself with signatures of all the parties involved. The catch is whether or not Cleveland strikes a deal with San Diego for the #1. The second catch is if Gallery would fall to #2 and not be selected by San Diego. The third catch is NFL approval which has not been sought to keep the trade quiet. They may get approval once the leak is made.

[Dozerdog]

I forgot the link-

http://www.sportsrumormill.com/viewtopic.php?p=167633&highlight=#167633


We will see if he's been telling ther truth- or making stuff up.

[Dozerdog]

Post subject: April 22, 2004 Update


I'm sure most of you have now been brought up to speed on the fiasco with Eli Manning's dad Archie and the Chargers. Briefly Archie basically told Chargers managment there was no way in hell Eli will play for the Chargers. After a much heated debate he went as far to say that Eli will sit out if necessary until the 2005 draft.
Well if you've been reading my posts you should know that it's managment not Schottenheimer that wants Manning. Well Marty wins again now that managment realizes they have no shot at signing Eli.
Archie made it pretty well known that Eli wants to play for Coughlin. Fine sign with the Giants at #4 most would say. Well, now most people are convinced that the Giants have the ball in there court and will make a trade with San Diego to move up to #1. This removes any risk of another team jumping up to get Manning. Here lies the problem. Does everyone really believe that San Diego would take less in a trade now? No. The Chargers still want the Giants 2nd round pick that the Giants refuse to give up.
So what happens now? Well the Browns have remained active and are in contact with the Chargers as we speak. What is ironic is the fact that Chargers managment has assured the Giants that they are the only team they are negotitating with. I spoke with coach Schottenheimer this morning who said the Browns are trying to draft an offer that includes more players than picks. This raises the stakes as the Chargers must deal with cap issues and possible renegotiations.The first offer faxed this morning at 7:46 a.m. is as follows;

Tim Couch (Chargers and Couch have reached a deal)
Dennis Northcutt (Northcutt is adament to wait for his appeal to be heard)
Cleveland's third round pick #68.

According to Schottenheimer they are satisified with the trade only if Northcutt agrees to play for San Diego. Northcutt is in route via private jet courtesy of San Diego to meet and discuss his future. San Diego is willing to renegotiate his contract so he receives fair compensation.

This will however screw the Giants and Eli by causing Eli to fall and increasing the chance of another team tradign ahead of the Giants to get Manning. The Raiders and Cardinals for the record are not interested, however the Steelers have said they would be interested if he falls from #1. Would Eli like to play for Cowher. His response was favorable.

So what would the Chargers do at #7 if Gallery, Fitzgerald, and Roy Williams, are gone? First, according to coach they would entertain any offers to move down again no lower than 15th. If they succeed in tradign down they would then be interested in Wil Smith, Reggie Williams, Vilma or Williams, and Andrews. If they remain at #7 they will choose between Taylor, Winslow, and Hall. They have gone as far as to contact these teams if they do indeed end up at #7;
Buffalo (Interest in a QB)
Jets (Interest in Hall, Winslow, or Taylor)
Pittsburgh (Interest in a QB or Hall)
Houston (Interest in Taylor)

From what coach led me to believe was that Buffalo appeared to be the only potential suitor.

MY THOUGHTS:
Knowing coach Schottenheimer as long as I have he was very enthusiastic during our conversation. I expect his enthusiasm had to do with managment realizing the difficulty with signing Manning. Marty does not want a rookie QB. He feels Brees is still in developmental stages on a team that has lacked suitable weapons for him. Marty as I said was very enthusiastic so this leads me to believe that he has won the battle and will get his way going into 2004. Managment however is not totally sold on Gallery so he may have to adjust and move down to #4. Either way he will develop the team as sees fit. I'm a gambling man by nature and spend some time in the casinos each year. So as a gambling old man my bet is a deal is struck between the Browns and Chargers. The deal will satisfy managment with another QB Couch and a gaping hole at WR with Northcutt. They can than still add a quality starter at #4 and address the line with picks in rounds 2 and 3.

Schottenheimer did elaborate he is high on Travelle Wharton, Jacob Bell, Dantarrius Thomas, and Teddy Lehman. The switch to a 3-4 makes LB a need. As a good friend of Marty's for many years I can only hope they get the oppertunity to build this team and that Drew Brees finally has some weapons to use.

[Earthquake Enyart]

His other thread said that the Chargers would take Northcutt, Couch and #7 for #1, then trading 7 to the Bills for 13 and whatever.... so the Bills would get Big Ben

I don't know if th guy is full of it or not, but it is interesting reading.

[Tatonka]

it sounds like a bunch of crap to me.. and i love how the guy is "retiring" on draft day and wont be back... but his "son" will be monitoring the site under this guys username..

so what he is saying is.. i am full of ****.. and after the draft, that will be obvious, but i will be changing my alias from a nfl "advising firm" guys to the son of and nfl consultant so i can still hang out on the board i like.

pffffff.

[Dozerdog]

If I were San Diego-

I'd take a little less from the Giannts- the #4 pick, a 2nd, and WR Ike Hilliard to move to the 4th spot, then trade that to Cleveland for their #2 and Northcutt.

[The Spaz]

I smell BS too. Wether the guy was retiring or not he should be fired prior to his retirement date for posting this information if it's true!

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by The Spaz
I smell BS too. Wether the guy was retiring or not he should be fired prior to his retirement date for posting this information if it's true!

Just Curious- but why?

It's obvious that he works for/gets info (if you beleive him) from San Diego and Oakland- both whom would be best served by bidding wars. What makes a good bidding war? Leaks ......

[JJamezz]

I agree, no matter what, he's very entertaining.

It seems like an awful LONG way to go for a bunch of BS though.

[Ingtar33]

this feels weird...

I won't say he's full of crap only that this doesn't sound like any type of info a guy working for an independent scouting firm would learn.

As a scout you deal with other scouts, and personnel men for the most part. Independents rarely see anyone in the team, most definitely not the coach. Personally Ive spoken more with scouts and front office guys like for example Tom Modrak, or AJ Smith, than i have with head coaches. And ive never had a conversation with "Al" Davis. This is just so strange. He talks of speaking with "Marty" but refers to AJ Smith, Buddy Nix, or Fran Foley as "the front office"?

So strange.

[Novacane]

I'll say this. If he is not for real he has one wild imagination!

[carybillsfan]

Complete BS there I just spoke to a friend of Rivers and Marty is very enthusiastic about drafting him.

[ryjam282]

You have to admit though, it all does sound pretty interesting and at least it is something different fromt he normal stuff we have been hearing on ESPN. I enjoyed the reads now lets see how it pans out. Hell, if we could move up to #7 like he says we would definitely be getting Big Ben then...The Steelers would be in the drivers seat and able to get Rivers with no problem cause SD would be at #13.

[McBFLO]

let's get the chant going....BULL*****...BULL*****...BULL*****...

[McBFLO]

why would seattle give up their #1 RB without getting anything in return? would they draft steven jackson with the 7th pick then?

[RedEyE]

I've always said that there is always a little truth within every lie.

We're left to sift out the garbage.


.....but I will tell you this, if Manning is forced to slip in the ranks that can only be good for Buffalo. Rivers and Rothelisberger drop with him.

[Mr. Miyagi]

I bet this guy was a professionally hired smokescreen. Teams one by one "leaked" stuff to him just to throw off other teams.

Like one of those clowns at the rodeos. Nothing but a distraction.

[Ickybaluky]

It has to be total bull. If Manning told the San Diego he would sit the year, they would laugh in his face. It isn't like his value would rise, and he likely would be costing himself a lot of money. He would never get that year back, and sitting out that long would make anyone's skills get rusty.

Elway did tell the Colts he wouldn't sign, but he had the option of playing professional baseball for a lot of money. That gave him bargaining power, Manning has none.

[Ickybaluky]

Also... I've read rumors before that Holmgren isn't a big Alexander guy (though this is the first mention of a trade). I think this guy just tracks the latest rumors and makes stuff up that fit the rumors.

[DraftBoy]

Seattle thinks they have a stud in Maurice Morris so they may be willing to deal Alexander.

[mypoorfriendme]

Originally posted by DraftBoy
Seattle thinks they have a stud in Maurice Morris so they may be willing to deal Alexander.


just like were eager to be dealing travis henry away, right?

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by NE39
It has to be total bull. If Manning told the San Diego he would sit the year, they would laugh in his face. It isn't like his value would rise, and he likely would be costing himself a lot of money. He would never get that year back, and sitting out that long would make anyone's skills get rusty.

Elway did tell the Colts he wouldn't sign, but he had the option of playing professional baseball for a lot of money. That gave him bargaining power, Manning has none.

That would make sense if he was money motivated. It's tough to negotiate a contract with a first year player when he's already a multi-millionaire.


It's all posturing. Trade me to NY and I'll be huge. And playing for a coach & organization that has been a model of stability for decades

[Big M]

It's a fun read. Pure speculation, gossip. I'm glad some logged in to expalin it's BS to me... As if we're brainless drones who needed to be told that. :drool:

[Ickybaluky]

I think we already have an answer, although most already knew. Today the Cleveland and Green Bay papers are reporting that Couch has come closer to an agreement with the Pack and he is telling friends he will get traded there. Doesn't sound like a guy who already has worked out contract terms with San Diego on a trade that is close to being done, does it?

Also, if the Raiders are supposedly close to finalizing a deal with Seattle for Alexander, why are the NY papers reporting their negotiating with the Jets for a possible deal for Lamont Jordan.

This guy is so transparent it is silly...

[Novacane]

I think the guy is just someone who likes attention

[ryjam282]

Originally posted by NE39
I think we already have an answer, although most already knew. Today the Cleveland and Green Bay papers are reporting that Couch has come closer to an agreement with the Pack and he is telling friends he will get traded there. Doesn't sound like a guy who already has worked out contract terms with San Diego on a trade that is close to being done, does it?

Also, if the Raiders are supposedly close to finalizing a deal with Seattle for Alexander, why are the NY papers reporting their negotiating with the Jets for a possible deal for Lamont Jordan.

This guy is so transparent it is silly...


Maybe there are talking with the Jets as a backup....Lamont Jordan is good but no where near as good as Sean Alexander