Hey Kellen Winslow, you're no soldier.

[lordofgun]

You should take a look at Pat Tillman and keep your trap shut. I just hope some of the cocky athletes learn something from this situation.

[LtBillsFan66]

They should kill him, so he knows how it feels.

[Novacane]

They won't.

[chernobylwraiths]

Unfortunately, the Pat Tillman's of this world are quickly forgotten. But I hope not.

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by chernobylwraiths
Unfortunately, the Pat Tillman's of this world are quickly forgotten. But I hope not.

I knew a Matt Tillman. He sat behind me in 10th grade math class. I'll never forget him. He was a funny guy.

[STAMPY]

Originally posted by lordofgun
You should take a look at Pat Tillman and keep your trap shut. I just hope some of the cocky athletes learn something from this situation.

i said that same thing b4, winslow

[lordofgun]

Originally posted by BuffaloBillsSTAMPEDE
i said that same thing b4, winslow

Yeah, but no one can understand anything you type. :jk:

[mypoorfriendme]

pat tillman is the first true american hero ive seen or heard of in a while. while i respect the FDNY, it was their job to save lives and what not. pat tillman turned down millions to go fight for his country. i really hope this whole situation registers with kellen. football is a game, soldiers are fighting for our lives in the middle east.

great thread

[STAMPY]

Originally posted by mypoorfriendme
pat tillman is the first true american hero ive seen or heard of in a while. while i respect the FDNY, it was their job to save lives and what not. pat tillman turned down millions to go fight for his country. i really hope this whole situation registers with kellen. football is a game, soldiers are fighting for our lives in the middle east.

great thread


Don't agree at all. job or no job. A true hero defends your rights! They are all heros, Mad props to Pat for doing stuff he had no need to do, class act

[STAMPY]

Originally posted by lordofgun
Yeah, but no one can understand anything you type. :jk:

I could counter react with some trash talking and make you cry, but that's nothin new for you:snicker: plus it's your bday man!!! i can't do that ya lousy ....

[helmetguy]

Agreed, Stampy. Tillman was a real soldier; Winslow, Jr. just a toy soldier.

[casdhf]

I say winslow is a ****. :up:

[STAMPY]

Originally posted by casdhf
I say winslow is a ****. :up:

I say... I'd draft Winslow in a second :up:

[Ed]

What did Winslow say?

[STAMPY]

he always says... i'm not a football player... i'm a f'n soldier, very cocky attitude, but hell of a talent, he's a hurricane- comes with the territory

[HAMMER]

Originally posted by billsfanone
They should kill him, so he knows how it feels.
What is wrong with you people? Kill him?

[STAMPY]

Originally posted by HAMMER
What is wrong with you people? Kill him?

People are crazy at times. He'd sing a different tune if he was a bill and said that crap

[Tatonka]

he probably doesnt even know who pat tillman is.. he is sitting in a hotel right now in new york thinking about the 8 million dollar signing bonus he is about to get.

damn it that so horrible that tillman died. i was really hoping he would make it back and get a chance to get back in the nfl.

[Samphin1]

Originally posted by lordofgun
You should take a look at Pat Tillman and keep your trap shut. I just hope some of the cocky athletes learn something from this situation.

While were at it, someone slap Simeon Rice for his deplorable comments regarding Pat Tillman. These people have no view of the bigger picture and are typical self centered athletes who would probably cr@p themselves if any type of danger came their way. Pat Tillman will not be soon forgotten. If I had it my way, all those brave souls who have lost their lives, limbs and sense of worth ( a friend of mine has recently come back, completely changed, his mother basically says she sacrificed her son for her country, even though he is still living). would all be on tv, all be getting the glory they deserve ad making the money that athletes are making.

:patriot:

[DraftBoy]

Originally posted by Samphin1


While were at it, someone slap Simeon Rice for his deplorable comments regarding Pat Tillman. These people have no view of the bigger picture and are typical self centered athletes who would probably cr@p themselves if any type of danger came their way. Pat Tillman will not be soon forgotten. If I had it my way, all those brave souls who have lost their lives, limbs and sense of worth ( a friend of mine has recently come back, completely changed, his mother basically says she sacrificed her son for her country, even though he is still living). would all be on tv, all be getting the glory they deserve ad making the money that athletes are making.

:patriot:

Agreed, some of the posters on this board need to be slapped too for some of their horrible comments about this tragedy.

[HenryRules]

I'm sorry, but jumping on Winslow for saying something like that is a load of ****. Is he a soldier, no, obviously not. However, is he the first person to use words like "soldier", "warrior", "battler", "hero", "commander", "general", "trenches" etc. in conversation when discussing football? Hell no.

*****, it seems five or six times a day someone on this board talks about winning games "in the trenches". Why no words against them? My grandfather knows what trenches are, not Jonas Jennings. Same thing.

[HenryRules]

I have never done this before at all (quote past posts by a user), but this is one case where I think it's deserved.

LOG, please tell me what is the difference between what Winslow said and what you said here: http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33939&highlight=warrior



I love TH. He's been a warrior this season.


Again, I apologize for being classless and quoting a past post, but I think it proves my point that Winslow is not the first or last to make this sort of statement.

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by HenryRules
I have never done this before at all (quote past posts by a user), but this is one case where I think it's deserved.

LOG, please tell me what is the difference between what Winslow said and what you said here: http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33939&highlight=warrior



Again, I apologize for being classless and quoting a past post, but I think it proves my point that Winslow is not the first or last to make this sort of statement.

:huh: You're grasping there. Winslow tried to come off like he was some kind of soldier. Henry never said a thing about how he was. Two completely different things.

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by HAMMER
What is wrong with you people? Kill him?

Yeah, that was harsh. I was a little emotional earlier this afternoon. Now that I'm settled down, I would just maybe crush his legs or something.

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by BuffaloBillsSTAMPEDE
People are crazy at times. He'd sing a different tune if he was a bill and said that crap

Yeah, so. What's your point?

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by The_Philster


:huh: You're grasping there. Winslow tried to come off like he was some kind of soldier. Henry never said a thing about how he was. Two completely different things.

I am not grasping there .... maybe you should re-read it.

LOG was complaining about Winslow calling himself a soldier (an athlete being referred to as a soldier).

At the same time, LOG has used basically the exact same statement to describe another athlete.

Basically, I'm asking why LOG finds it acceptable for him to compare athletes to those in the military but it's not right for the athlete's themselves.

I never once implied that Henry said anything like that, I'm curious where you got that idea.

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by HenryRules
I am not grasping there .... maybe you should re-read it.

LOG was complaining about Winslow calling himself a soldier (an athlete being referred to as a soldier).

At the same time, LOG has used basically the exact same statement to describe another athlete.

Basically, I'm asking why LOG finds it acceptable for him to compare athletes to those in the military but it's not right for the athlete's themselves.

I never once implied that Henry said anything like that, I'm curious where you got that idea.
You're comparing what Winslow said about himself to what LOG said about Henry...not even remotely similar :shakeno:

[SabreEleven]

What did Rice say? I don't remember.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by The_Philster

You're comparing what Winslow said about himself to what LOG said about Henry...not even remotely similar :shakeno:

How the hell do you figure that?

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by The_Philster
You're comparing what Winslow said about himself to what LOG said about Henry...not even remotely similar :shakeno:

:hi5:

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by HenryRules
How the hell do you figure that?

It's so obvious.

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by billsfanone


It's so obvious.

Explain please.

Go to www.thesaurus.com and "warrior" is listed as a synonym of "soldier". If LOG has deemed it acceptable for athletes to be considered soldiers, then what is wrong with an athlete himself doing so?

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by HenryRules
Explain please.

Go to www.thesaurus.com and "warrior" is listed as a synonym of "soldier". If LOG has deemed it acceptable for athletes to be considered soldiers, then what is wrong with an athlete himself doing so?


How do I know this thesaurus.com isn't some sort of spyware site?

[mypoorfriendme]

Originally posted by billsfanone
How do I know this thesaurus.com isn't some sort of spyware site?

:lol:

but in all seriousness, what kellen said was not "i play like a soldier" he straight said "im an effin' soldier, theyre out there to kill me, i have to kill them first. this is not a game its a war"

NO kellen! football IS a game and dont worry, no ones out to kill you just yet. want to see a war? look in the middle east where you have real soldiers really being killed

[LtBillsFan66]

Originally posted by mypoorfriendme
:lol:

:phew:

At least SOMEONE knows I'm kidding. :D

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by mypoorfriendme


:lol:

but in all seriousness, what kellen said was not "i play like a soldier" he straight said "im an effin' soldier, theyre out there to kill me, i have to kill them first. this is not a game its a war"

NO kellen! football IS a game and dont worry, no ones out to kill you just yet. want to see a war? look in the middle east where you have real soldiers really being killed

He's not the first person to talk about "killing" someone during the game, he's not the first person to say this is a "war" not a game (win the war in the trenches is something often said of football).

It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of flak this guy has taken for something that almost every sports fan says.

[LtBillsFan66]

In all seriousness, right or wrong, most players, coaches, and announcers use those words as figures of speech. Kellen used them in a childish tirade. There is a big difference, IMO. Although... he did say that months ago, and why it's brought up now is beyond me.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by chernobylwraiths
Unfortunately, the Pat Tillman's of this world are quickly forgotten. But I hope not.

Not true! Don't you remember another guy who died after leaving the NFL? Bob Kalsu? He's on the Bills Wall of Fame and I think they have a memorial for him in Canton. :usa: :patriot:

[Samphin1]

Originally posted by HenryRules
I'm sorry, but jumping on Winslow for saying something like that is a load of ****. Is he a soldier, no, obviously not. However, is he the first person to use words like "soldier", "warrior", "battler", "hero", "commander", "general", "trenches" etc. in conversation when discussing football? Hell no.

*****, it seems five or six times a day someone on this board talks about winning games "in the trenches". Why no words against them? My grandfather knows what trenches are, not Jonas Jennings. Same thing.

Agreed that a lot of people use it probably, everyday for events outside of football as well. The difference is that these people, LOG, normal folk, use them as a metaphor, as some kind of way to describe someone or something. When Kellen went off, he was downright serious. He wa smaking out hi splight to be something greater than it was, and he got called on it. That is the key difference imo. What LOG said is a thinly veiled military reference, but it pails in comparison to what Kellen said. Kellen gave th eimpression that he should be heralded as a war hero type, not a ballplayer making a militaristic comment. Big difference. Tone had a lot to do with it.

Also, sometimes players refrain form using such terms. For instance, Miami's Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas, visited troops last year and were so moved by what they sacrifice and gave up, that they vowed to never use those types of metaphors again about football.

Someone, asked what Simeon Rice had said. He was asked about his former teammate Pat Tillman, back when Tillman joined the Army, an dhad some unflattering things to say. He stated ( paraphrasing here) that Tillman was playing "Rambo" and that it wasn't that big of a deal because he wasn't that good of a plyer anyway. When told he was a starter in the NFL, he said, yeah but he started for the Cardinals, basically stating that he wasn't good enough to start on a "real" team. It was disgusting and purely self centered. He wa smad because the talk wasn't about him and his newly acquired Super Bowl Ring. He said other things too but I would rather not repeat them.

[lordofgun]

Originally posted by HenryRules
I am not grasping there .... maybe you should re-read it.

LOG was complaining about Winslow calling himself a soldier (an athlete being referred to as a soldier).

At the same time, LOG has used basically the exact same statement to describe another athlete.

Basically, I'm asking why LOG finds it acceptable for him to compare athletes to those in the military but it's not right for the athlete's themselves.

I never once implied that Henry said anything like that, I'm curious where you got that idea.


Originally posted by The_Philster
You're comparing what Winslow said about himself to what LOG said about Henry...not even remotely similar :shakeno:

Exactly. The difference is that no one cares WTF I say about someone else.

[lordofgun]

Originally posted by lordofgun
Exactly. The difference is that no one cares WTF I say about someone else.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have KW2 on the team. I just think a lot of these ******ed spoiled athletes need to shut their traps and play. Nobody's life is going to change based on how well KW2 plays in the NFL.

[Jan Reimers]

Pat Tillman was a man and a true hero. Kellen Winslow is a selfish, spoiled little boy. End of story.

[lordofgun]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
Pat Tillman was a man and a true hero. Kellen Winslow is a selfish, spoiled little boy. End of story.

well said.