3 picks - 3 huge reaches

[Throne Logic]

I don't have any major problems with the players they picked.

However, I do have a major issue with the fact that each one of their first 3 picks was a reach by at least 10 slots, each.

That aggrivates me a lot.

[mypoorfriendme]

:blowtop:

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Throne Logic
I don't have any major problems with the players they picked.

However, I do have a major issue with the fact that each one of their first 3 picks was a reach by at least 10 slots, each.

That aggrivates me a lot.


I was upset about Evans. However.........I doubt either Evans or Losman would have been there 10 picks after we took them. This 3rd roud pick I don't know enough about him

[StanMarino13]

When Mike Williams wasnt eligible i heard Evans was the 4th best wr...Not that it matters but most fin fans arent happy u guys took him..lol Losman was a bolder move with what u guys gave up for him, but u gotta give to get so have to see with that one in a few years.

[thefixer74]

He was a run stuffer and playmaker for OSU.He is a hard working DT.Not too bad.

[The Spaz]

TD has admitted he loves tough players and that's the first thing he looks for.

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by The Spaz
TD has admitted he loves tough players and that's the first thing he looks for.

Unfortunately tough doesn't necessarily equate to talent or results on the field. Just look at Drew.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Mr. Cynical
Unfortunately tough doesn't necessarily equate to talent or results on the field. Just look at Drew.

Shall we go through the ones that do workout?

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by The Spaz


Shall we go through the ones that do workout?

If you want to....but it won't mean anything to me though. It is always possible to find examples on both sides of that equation which just proves that toughness does not necessarily equate to talent or results on the field. It *can*, sure. But it doesn't mean it will.

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Mr. Cynical


Unfortunately tough doesn't necessarily equate to talent or results on the field. Just look at Drew. why don't you answer this thread since all you've done for the most part is complain?



http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44285

[matt]

I love the fact that we as fans can pick up a few draft mags( they cost alot but it is the only way many put down the porn) and think they are experts and knowing not just what the Bills are thinking but every team around the league. There is no way to know how any team stacks the board or to now who covets who. I personally watch 1-2 college games a week, and have read a couple of draft mags. However the Bills have spent millions on scouting(anything from paying the scouts the cost that goes into the thousands of miles traveled hotel rooms etc..) Not to mention the people who make the decisions and have been doing this for a long time. Has TD made some mistakes, yes but he has always been agressive and he hits home runs. Lets remember he built a good Pittsburgh team, also lets wait a year or two to judge what he did today. 3 years ago he had probably the best draft I can remember as a Bills fan(Clements,Henry,Schobel,Jennings). Looking back the Bledsoe thing might have not been perfect, but at the time all of us experts would have made the same trade. If in two years Losman and Evans is a bust I will eat crow, for now I am keeping an open mind.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by matt
I love the fact that we as fans can pick up a few draft mags( they cost alot but it is the only way many put down the porn) and think they are experts and knowing not just what the Bills are thinking but every team around the league. There is no way to know how any team stacks the board or to now who covets who. I personally watch 1-2 college games a week, and have read a couple of draft mags. However the Bills have spent millions on scouting(anything from paying the scouts the cost that goes into the thousands of miles traveled hotel rooms etc..) Not to mention the people who make the decisions and have been doing this for a long time. Has TD made some mistakes, yes but he has always been agressive and he hits home runs. Lets remember he built a good Pittsburgh team, also lets wait a year or two to judge what he did today. 3 years ago he had probably the best draft I can remember as a Bills fan(Clements,Henry,Schobel,Jennings). Looking back the Bledsoe thing might have not been perfect, but at the time all of us experts would have made the same trade. If in two years Losman and Evans is a bust I will eat crow, for now I am keeping an open mind.

Excellent post!:clap:

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by matt
I love the fact that we as fans can pick up a few draft mags( they cost alot but it is the only way many put down the porn) and think they are experts and knowing not just what the Bills are thinking but every team around the league. There is no way to know how any team stacks the board or to now who covets who. I personally watch 1-2 college games a week, and have read a couple of draft mags. However the Bills have spent millions on scouting(anything from paying the scouts the cost that goes into the thousands of miles traveled hotel rooms etc..) Not to mention the people who make the decisions and have been doing this for a long time. Has TD made some mistakes, yes but he has always been agressive and he hits home runs. Lets remember he built a good Pittsburgh team, also lets wait a year or two to judge what he did today. 3 years ago he had probably the best draft I can remember as a Bills fan(Clements,Henry,Schobel,Jennings). Looking back the Bledsoe thing might have not been perfect, but at the time all of us experts would have made the same trade. If in two years Losman and Evans is a bust I will eat crow, for now I am keeping an open mind.

People say we needed a speed wr, we got Evans and some say it's a reach.

Some people say we need to replace Drew, we got Losman. Other say it was expensive.

Some people will always find ways to complain.

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by justasportsfan
why don't you answer this thread since all you've done for the most part is complain?



http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44285

:huh: What exact question did I not answer? Care to state it for me?

[justasportsfan]

didn't you click on the link?

what qb in next years draft can play right away if Drew is gone after this season ? If there are none are you guys happy w/ Kordell as our starting qb going into 2005?

A qb ready to start at next year (Losman after this year) is more valuable than any 1st rd qb in next years draft.

You all want to draft need? Any player we drafted this year would not be much of a impact player and just like Losman take a whole year to learn and get their ears wet in the NFL.

Guys LIke Suggs, Peppers and Boldin are very rare.

[matt]

Lets not forget 3 years ago people where pissin and moaning because we didnt take Kenyatta walker and took clements instead. Isnt walker still on the bench. Also lets not forget we didnt trade Henry which everyone wanted to( I am glad they didnt) now next year if McGahee turns out then we can talk trade.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by matt
Lets not forget 3 years ago people where pissin and moaning because we didnt take Kenyatta walker and took clements instead. Isnt walker still on the bench. Also lets not forget we didnt trade Henry which everyone wanted to( I am glad they didnt) now next year if McGahee turns out then we can talk trade.


Exactly this kind of thinking will cause a lot less heartaches if people just waited until they see players on the field until they complain.

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by justasportsfan
didn't you click on the link?

what qb in next years draft can play right away if Drew is gone after this season ? If there are none are you guys happy w/ Kordell as our starting qb going into 2005?

I never said anything about drafting a rookie QB either this year or next and have them start. My goal is to draft a franchise QB to start 1-2 years after he is drafted.


Originally posted by justasportsfan
A qb ready to start at next year (Losman after this year) is more valuable than any 1st rd qb in next years draft.

What if we tank this year and get a top 5 pick? Would you still say Losman would be worth a Manning? I don't. Yes, we don't know what will happen next year. But the risk for Losman IMO was not worth it.


Originally posted by justasportsfan
You all want to draft need? Any player we drafted this year would not be much of a impact player and just like Losman take a whole year to learn and get their ears wet in the NFL.

Again, I don't care about immediate impact. I want to build to the future.

[B-DON]

I think Henry is definitely gone next year. Trading next years first round pick leads me to believe that TD and Co. think they can get that first round pick back next year for henry

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Mr. Cynical


I never said anything about drafting a rookie QB either this year or next and have them start. My goal is to draft a franchise QB to start 1-2 years after he is drafted.



What if we tank this year and get a top 5 pick? Would you still say Losman would be worth a Manning? I don't. Yes, we don't know what will happen next year. But the risk for Losman IMO was not worth it.



Again, I don't care about immediate impact. I want to build to the future. So what you're saying is that Losman is not a franchise qb? If that's the case then, what team do you scout for? Seems to me even Gruden said he is in the same class as the top 3 qb's (skill) except for his personality of being arrogant. So was Kelly.

[helmetguy]

So far:

WR-possible immediate impact, probable long term contribution
QB-Investment in the future
DT-Investment in the future, but may get some playing time this year.

And the problem with this is....we're worried about NEXT year's draft already? What happened to playing the season first?

[B-DON]

our first pick next year wont be to high anyways

[Billzz]

B-Don is soooooooooooooo right:) 32 sounds good.

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by justasportsfan
So what you're saying is that Losman is not a franchise qb? If that's the case then, what team do you scout for? Seems to me even Gruden said he is in the same class as the top 3 qb's (skill) except for his personality of being arrogant. So was Kelly.

I'm saying that drafting Losman at 22 by using our #1 was too high a price for a QB that has a potential attitude problem. I'm also saying that if TD truly could not trade up to get Ben (something I have a hard time believing) that he should have waited to see what happened after Rd 1. If Losman wasn't there, so be it. IMO, we lost our chance at our future QB after the big 3 were off the board. (yes, this is my opinion...I don't claim it to be fact)