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finsrclowns
06-09-2004, 02:34 PM
IRVING, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Antonio Bryant reportedly had an altercation with coach Bill Parcells during practice Tuesday and was ejected by club security.
Witnesses who spoke on condition of anonymity told the The Dallas Morning News and Fort Worth Star-Telegram for Wednesday's editions that the confrontation began when Bryant complained about his role as the team's third receiver and the number of repetitions he was getting during a drill.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1818510

I've had an eye on this guy as an up and comer in the NFL. He's 6'1" 192 and runs a 4.43 40. He's bigger, stronger and faster than Josh Reed. Now he's got into an ugly beef with Parcells and Parcells might be looking to get rid of him. I know noone is looking to add problems, and I'm not really down on Reed, but I'd make that trade Reed for Bryant in a minute. Thoughts?

Novacane
06-09-2004, 02:48 PM
I'll take Reed over Bryant.

The Spaz
06-09-2004, 02:58 PM
I might concider Bryant for Shaw:snicker:

Hermanator21
06-09-2004, 02:59 PM
If we were in need of WR I wouldn't mind, but I think we are O.K. at that position.

tomdonahoe
06-09-2004, 03:27 PM
I doubt Bryant is going anywhere. He was a second round pick and the real boss, Jones will have the final say if he goes or not. He would be a great addition to any team. He is young, fast and can make the tough catch.

mypoorfriendme
06-09-2004, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by tomdonahoe
I doubt Bryant is going anywhere. He was a second round pick and the real boss, Jones will have the final say if he goes or not. He would be a great addition to any team. He is young, fast and can make the tough catch.

not to mention the only reason he went in the second round was because of his attitude and off the field troubles. otherwise i think he would have been top 20 at worst

willis_mchenry
06-09-2004, 03:56 PM
Wasn't one of the reasons of this problem was that he was not getting enough repititions at the #3 slot? What would make him change his mind if he came to Buffalo?

tomdonahoe
06-09-2004, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by willis_mchenry
Wasn't one of the reasons of this problem was that he was not getting enough repititions at the #3 slot? What would make him change his mind if he came to Buffalo?

I think he would start opposite Moulds.

finsrclowns
06-09-2004, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Fairway To Green
I'll take Reed over Bryant.

If you say that because of attitude I can respect that, but not based on ability. Again I'm not really knocking Reed. He was a force in college and he will be a decent pro, but IMO his upside is limited because he is small and not overly fast. Bryant has the tools to be a force in this league. I know this- in Reed's rookie year when Bledsoe looked for him he seemed to always be open; last year as a #2 he seemed to always be covered. He was playing against starting corners last year and he couldn't seem to get a lot of separation and the ball needed to be threaded right in there to get a completion. That's just what I saw. I expect Reed will go back to the slot this year and do very well. But if the OL improves this year I think Bledsoe could do for Bryant what he did for Price so I'd make that trade even if Bryant is a crybaby.

Jan Reimers
06-09-2004, 04:54 PM
As with Couch, no thanks. We're deep enough at WR not to have to take a head case.

mypoorfriendme
06-09-2004, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
If you say that because of attitude I can respect that, but not based on ability. Again I'm not really knocking Reed. He was a force in college and he will be a decent pro, but IMO his upside is limited because he is small and not overly fast. Bryant has the tools to be a force in this league. I know this- in Reed's rookie year when Bledsoe looked for him he seemed to always be open; last year as a #2 he seemed to always be covered. He was playing against starting corners last year and he couldn't seem to get a lot of separation and the ball needed to be threaded right in there to get a completion. That's just what I saw. I expect Reed will go back to the slot this year and do very well. But if the OL improves this year I think Bledsoe could do for Bryant what he did for Price so I'd make that trade even if Bryant is a crybaby.

but the point is, we dont need another reciever no matter who it is.

tomdonahoe
06-09-2004, 07:40 PM
We always need better players not matter what the position and Bryant would be an upgrade. But it doesn't matter b/c he won't be available.

finsrclowns
06-09-2004, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by mypoorfriendme


but the point is, we dont need another reciever no matter who it is.

Read that sentence aloud to yourself and tell me you really mean it. I doubt you do.

If TD felt that way no how no way does he draft McGahee. Building a winning football team is all about upgrading every position wherever and whenever possible, end of story. IMO Bryant would be an upgrade over Reed and I'd make the call. If the answer's no it costs you nothing. But Bill Parcells does not like insubordination so he might be more receptive than some people think.

Tatonka
06-09-2004, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by tomdonahoe
I think he would start opposite Moulds.

why would you think that? we have three guys right now that can start opposite moulds.. and used a high first rounder on one of them and a high second rounder on the other.

i would take josh reed over bryant... there is a reason that reed was drafted before him. reed doesnt have to be big or super fast to be a great receiver.. hines ward is neither of those things.. would you take bryant over hines ward? that is where i believe reed will end up.

bryant went after his own coach.. he pisses and moans about not getting playing time.. he was an ******* in college..

great.. he can make a few sweet catches..

attitude and the mental side of the game are two of the biggest components of football.

no thanks.

finsrclowns
06-09-2004, 10:31 PM
great.. he can make a few sweet catches..

16.7 YPC is something JR may never achieve and he will never be as big, fast or strong as Bryant. Reed is a nice #3. Bryant could be a nice #2 this year while Evans learns the NFL game. Just MO.

B-DON
06-09-2004, 10:38 PM
bryant has a slight edge over reed all around

BigZ
06-10-2004, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by willis_mchenry
Wasn't one of the reasons of this problem was that he was not getting enough repititions at the #3 slot? What would make him change his mind if he came to Buffalo?

The only place that he would go and be happy is to a place where he'd be #1 or #2.

Do any of you really think he'd beat out Evans or Reed? I doubt it.

B-DON
06-10-2004, 03:40 AM
i guarantee you he'd beat out reed right now but who knows how good reed really can be is still up in the air. as of right now bryant has the better upside

Earthquake Enyart
06-10-2004, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Tatonka
why would you think that? we have three guys right now that can start opposite moulds.. and used a high first rounder on one of them and a high second rounder on the other.


If you said Aiken, I would start screaming.

Henry for Bryant and our #1 next year back.

zone
06-10-2004, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
16.7 YPC is something JR may never achieve and he will never be as big, fast or strong as Bryant. Reed is a nice #3. Bryant could be a nice #2 this year while Evans learns the NFL game. Just MO.

Why not JR did over 18 in college? While Antonio Bryant was doing 15.5.

finsrclowns
06-10-2004, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by zone


Why not JR did over 18 in college? While Antonio Bryant was doing 15.5.


I'm sorry, but college is not the pro's. Reed is a good athlete but he lacks the kind of speed it takes to average 16 or 18 YPC in the pro's IMO. I hope we make the deal, but we probably won't so I hope Reed proves me wrong.

Earthquake Enyart
06-10-2004, 08:08 AM
Did we learn nothing form last year?

Other than a healthy Moulds, we have no one who can stretch the field. That's why we drafted Evans.

Bryant is a big upgrade over Reed or Shaw.

Tatonka
06-10-2004, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
16.7 YPC is something JR may never achieve and he will never be as big, fast or strong as Bryant. Reed is a nice #3. Bryant could be a nice #2 this year while Evans learns the NFL game. Just MO.

yeah.. bryant has a high ypc, because he doesnt catch many balls.. and when he does, they are all of the deeper variety...

the guy is a whiner.. going after his coach.. having to be escorted off the property.. sounds like a guy that could really help us... that is all we need is a pissed off crybaby wr to go with the soon to be pissed off starting RB, and a ****box QB that folds under pressure!

sounds like something i would want to buy season tickets for!!

Tatonka
06-10-2004, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
I'm sorry, but college is not the pro's. Reed is a good athlete but he lacks the kind of speed it takes to average 16 or 18 YPC in the pro's IMO. I hope we make the deal, but we probably won't so I hope Reed proves me wrong.

yeah.. rice was really fast too.. thats how he got that good ypc average.. speed is everything! :rolleyes:


Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
Did we learn nothing form last year?

Other than a healthy Moulds, we have no one who can stretch the field. That's why we drafted Evans.

Bryant is a big upgrade over Reed or Shaw.

you can never have too many discontent team cancers!!

zone
06-10-2004, 10:13 AM
There is no deal and there will not be so this is stupid to even talk about. Why would we take a person who is a cancer on and off field over the core of vets and respectable team players that we have now?

A)He doesn’t even come close to the talent L.E. has

B)If he is crying about #3 somewhere else, why would we bring him to buffalo? So he can whine about being #3 or #4 and go after our coach?

Josh Reed IMO is definitely a better slot receiver anyhow.


Originally posted by finsrclowns
I'm sorry, but college is not the pro's. Reed is a good athlete but he lacks the kind of speed it takes to average 16 or 18 YPC in the pro's IMO. I hope we make the deal, but we probably won't so I hope Reed proves me wrong.

He did almost 14 in 2k2. He is only going to get better.

Earthquake Enyart
06-10-2004, 10:22 AM
What kind of leadership is there in Dallas, other than Parcells? They don't really have any vets left from the SB teams. Then they add Keyshawn. :eek: They really could implode this year.

One would think that a core of veteran leaders, like what we have here, could keep a guy like Bryant in line. But WR's are prima donnas anyhow. Would you turn down TO? Chad Johnson?

tomdonahoe
06-10-2004, 10:48 AM
Bryant is very talented and he is immature. The kicker is that he is only 22 yrs. old with three years of NFL experience which is a huge upside. He would be a significant upgrade to our receiving core and I think he would start.

McBFLO
06-10-2004, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
I know this- in Reed's rookie year when Bledsoe looked for him he seemed to always be open; last year as a #2 he seemed to always be covered. He was playing against starting corners last year and he couldn't seem to get a lot of separation and the ball needed to be threaded right in there to get a completion. That's just what I saw. I expect Reed will go back to the slot this year and do very well.

Good post....

I think Reed's ideal spot on the field is in the slot, as the #3 WR. I think that's as high as he'll get on the depth chart here as long as Eric Moulds is around. Evans will be #2. I look at Reed as being a poor man's Hines Ward, which isn't a bad thing, because Hines Ward is an excellent WR. And considering the coaching staff we have, I think Reed could have his best year as a pro. He may not be good enough or talented enough or fast enough to take on the #2 CBs of the league, but I think he'll thrive against the #3s out there. I expect anywhere from 50-60 catches for about 700-800 yards and about 5-6 TDs.

buffmaniac
06-10-2004, 11:17 AM
No thanks. I'll pass on Bryant. I feel pretty good about our WR core with Moulds, Reed, Evans, and Shaw.

finsrclowns
06-10-2004, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Tatonka


yeah.. rice was really fast too.. thats how he got that good ypc average.. speed is everything! :rolleyes:



The only thing I can think of that Josh Reed and Jerry Rice have in common are their initials. When I close my eyes and think of Rice I think of big plays, getting open against the team's best corner, and running away from people after the catch. Rice may not have been a burner but he had great acceleration and could cut at top speed. Reed doesn't do that. I was one of his defenders last year when he was dropping every other ball for the first five games. He mostly got over that, but when I think of him I can't think of very few big plays last year. The first Miami game and the Dallas game you would have needed dental records to prove he was there. You think he's going to be Hines Ward? It's possible I guess but he looks more like Heinz ketchup to me...kinda slooww...I'll take Bryant, baggage and all.

And in case you didn't notice it, it seems it's almost a requirement in the NFL for a WR to be mentally unbalanced. The list of WR showoffs, malcontents, and nutjobs is long. Is Bryant a cancer because he pulled a nutty Tuesday? Not by league standards. More like par for the course.

Tatonka
06-10-2004, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
What kind of leadership is there in Dallas, other than Parcells? They don't really have any vets left from the SB teams. Then they add Keyshawn. :eek: They really could implode this year.

One would think that a core of veteran leaders, like what we have here, could keep a guy like Bryant in line. But WR's are prima donnas anyhow. Would you turn down TO? Chad Johnson?

first off.. parcells is known for keeping players in line.. he is the only one that could control Meshawn..

it is pathetic that the kid can only play for a team that has enough babysitters ... errr.. i mean.. veteran leadership to keep him in line.

he is nothing like chad johnson.. chad johnson is a showboat, but not rude, obnoxious and disrespectful to his own team.

you can have owens too.. he is a toolbox that drops a ton of passes.

this whole coversation is completely pointless anyway.. there is NO CHANCE that TD would ever allow a guy like that to put on a bills uni... absolutely zero chance.

Tatonka
06-10-2004, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
The list of WR showoffs, malcontents, and nutjobs is long. Is Bryant a cancer because he pulled a nutty Tuesday? Not by league standards. More like par for the course.

yeah.. cuz i know alot of wrs that have to be escorted from the team facilities because they threw a jersey in their coaches face.. sorry.. that is not par for the coarse, and it is a bunch of **** that you would even say so. harrison, moulds, rice, ward.. gimme a break.. there are tons of good receivers that arent idiots..

as far as josh reed.. he isnt even in his third year yet.. so what that he may be better in the slot.. fine.. how bout andre reed.. josh has alot of the same characteristics as the other reed.. he will be fine.

and are you guys so blind to think that the bills who just spent the #13 pick on evans are really going to bump evans down to number 4? yeah right..

you can have bryant like you said.. thank god you dont make any decisions regarding the bills though.. i think td is doing alright.. at least i know he wont bring some POS that wants to pull a spreewell on his coach.

finsrclowns
06-10-2004, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by Tatonka


yeah.. cuz i know alot of wrs that have to be escorted from the team facilities because they threw a jersey in their coaches face.. sorry.. that is not par for the coarse, and it is a bunch of **** that you would even say so. harrison, moulds, rice, ward.. gimme a break.. there are tons of good receivers that arent idiots..

as far as josh reed.. he isnt even in his third year yet.. so what that he may be better in the slot.. fine.. how bout andre reed.. josh has alot of the same characteristics as the other reed.. he will be fine.

and are you guys so blind to think that the bills who just spent the #13 pick on evans are really going to bump evans down to number 4? yeah right..

you can have bryant like you said.. thank god you dont make any decisions regarding the bills though.. i think td is doing alright.. at least i know he wont bring some POS that wants to pull a spreewell on his coach.

Yeah...thank God I don't make decisions regarding the Bills...I'm a moron because I'd take Bryant over Reed, attitude and all...oh well I'll pull my application for GM.

I don't like what Bryant did but it's hardly a Sprewell situation. Corey Dillon threw his equipment in the stands last year and trashed his team repeatedly but BB is giving him a chance. Guess he's a moron too. He's also putting up with Ty Law calling him a liar and worse. Oh I forgot throwing your jersey in the coaches face makes you a cancer forever. BTW, Sprewell, who is indeed an idiot, helped his team to the WCF this year. I'd be willing to live with a few jerks if that's what it takes. I just want to win.

Evans is a rookie. It wouldn't hurt him to play a year at #3. I'd have Evans and Bryant compete for the #2 spot for this year and I'd say Bryant's experience would give him an edge. Who said anything about Evans at #4?

Earthquake Enyart
06-10-2004, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
Who said anything about Evans at #4?

Everybody knows it's:

1. Moulds
2. Bryant
3. Aiken
4. Evans

The Spaz
06-10-2004, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
Everybody knows it's:

1. Moulds
2. Bryant
3. Aiken
4. Evans

Wrong.

It's:

1. Moulds
2. Evans
3. Reed
4-5 Shaw or Aiken

Tatonka
06-10-2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
Yeah...thank God I don't make decisions regarding the Bills...I'm a moron because I'd take Bryant over Reed, attitude and all...oh well I'll pull my application for GM.

I don't like what Bryant did but it's hardly a Sprewell situation. Corey Dillon threw his equipment in the stands last year and trashed his team repeatedly but BB is giving him a chance. Guess he's a moron too. He's also putting up with Ty Law calling him a liar and worse. Oh I forgot throwing your jersey in the coaches face makes you a cancer forever. BTW, Sprewell, who is indeed an idiot, helped his team to the WCF this year. I'd be willing to live with a few jerks if that's what it takes. I just want to win.

Evans is a rookie. It wouldn't hurt him to play a year at #3. I'd have Evans and Bryant compete for the #2 spot for this year and I'd say Bryant's experience would give him an edge. Who said anything about Evans at #4?

throwing a jersey in your coaches face and throwing your gear on the ground and having to be escorted off the property is alot different than dillon throwing his gear into the crowd.

if you cant see that, your blind.

i was referring to spreewells actions of trying to choke his coach, not his skills.. bryant is a fairly fast wr who had a decent rookie season, but was no better than josh reed last year, and there is definately no guarentee that he is better than josh reed this year.

his presence doesnt even come close to assuring us we would win, and in fact could cost us more than help us.

Evans was not brought in to play the slot.. he was brought in to add speed outside and so we can move reed back to the slot... so if you are saying that bryant is number two.. i assume that you would move evans to number 4.. because spot 1 is locked up by moulds and slot 3 is locked up by reed.

unless you think it is intelligent to sit down a good wr going into his third year, and put him at #4, so he never sees the field.. that makes sense.

whatever.. the conversation is pointless...

it will never happen. TD would never bring this tool in.

and ps.. yeah.. Belichick is an idiot.

TedMock
06-10-2004, 02:30 PM
Reed can still be the #2 WR and not be the the deep guy. Every team needs a deep threat who's not necessarily the #1 or #2 WR. Don Beebe wasn't the #2 guy, but he had a better ypc than the other WR's. Evans and Reed may end up 2a and 2b, which is fine with me. I don't care what we label them as long as the coaches put them in positions to showcase their talents. Having Reed run so many deep routes last year when speed obviously isn't his strong point was stupid. The whole world knows that. I'd be willing to bet that if he can get into a groove this year, running 9 yard patterns (a la Andre), he'll start breaking tackles and getting more. That's a good thing because it'll allow Moulds and Evans to free up on deeper patterns. Hey, Art Monk made a career out of the 9 yard out pattern.

finsrclowns
06-10-2004, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Tatonka


throwing a jersey in your coaches face and throwing your gear on the ground and having to be escorted off the property is alot different than dillon throwing his gear into the crowd.

if you cant see that, your blind.

I can see it's not the same, but are you saying if you were Parcells and he came in, admitted he lost his cool and apologized, you'd still cut him? He made a mistake, this cancer, tool stuff is over the top IMO.


i was referring to spreewells actions of trying to choke his coach, not his skills.. bryant is a fairly fast wr who had a decent rookie season, but was no better than josh reed last year, and there is definately no guarentee that he is better than josh reed this year.

Reed was a #2 receiver last year- his numbers should have been much better than Bryant's who's a #3, especially with QC throwing to him, but they weren't. I'm not a Reed basher, but I think Bryant is an upgrade. And my point with Sprewell was he learned a hard lesson from what he did, people do mess up sometimes. I doubt Bryant would do such a thing again.


his presence doesnt even come close to assuring us we would win, and in fact could cost us more than help us.

Nothing is assured in the NFL. You may be right. But TD had Henry and he still drafted McGahee. Every position is fair game for improvement, and IMO Reed did nothing last year to show he's anything special. So it's ok to gamble a first rounder on a guy with a torn apart knee but not on a guy with questionable character? It's case by case but here I think Bryant is worth the risk.


Evans was not brought in to play the slot.. he was brought in to add speed outside and so we can move reed back to the slot... so if you are saying that bryant is number two.. i assume that you would move evans to number 4.. because spot 1 is locked up by moulds and slot 3 is locked up by reed.

unless you think it is intelligent to sit down a good wr going into his third year, and put him at #4, so he never sees the field.. that makes sense.

whatever.. the conversation is pointless...

it will never happen. TD would never bring this tool in.

and ps.. yeah.. Belichick is an idiot.

My idea was to trade Reed for Bryant straight up. Evans was drafted because Reed showed last year he could not replace Price as a #2. I was unaware you couldn't have 3 fast receivers. Evans could play the slot and play it well for a year or 2. What's wrong with that? BTW, Bellichick may be a jerk but he's no idiot.

Tatonka
06-10-2004, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
I can see it's not the same, but are you saying if you were Parcells and he came in, admitted he lost his cool and apologized, you'd still cut him? He made a mistake, this cancer, tool stuff is over the top IMO.

he has been making mistakes since he was in high school.. his mistakes with his attitude and the law cost him a big name college.. cost him a 1st round draft pick money.. and now should cost him more.. i am so sick of the "he made a mistake" crap.. he is a millionair pro athlete who has had several temper tantrums last year about his lack of production.. and this is just a carry over.. but now he has learned his lesson? sure he has.. maybe it was the security guards that tossed him on his ass in the streets that got through to him :rolleyes:




Reed was a #2 receiver last year- his numbers should have been much better than Bryant's who's a #3, especially with QC throwing to him, but they weren't.

yeah.. he was a number 2 with a hurt moulds and drews sorry ass at qb. quincy carter was a better qb last year... and he was playing behind galloway and glenn.. reed had a hurt moulds and shaw to scare people..

have you ever watched bryant? because i have had him on my fantasy team for the last two years.. he surprised me his rookie year, so i kept him last year.. he had plenty of opportunities that he did nothing with.. terry glenn started out as teh number 3 wr.. and took bryants job..

reed has every bit as much upside as bryant.. they are just different receivers.. one is fast, one is not as fast.. one is a crybaby pussy who pisses and moans to the media and throws his sweaty ass jersey in the face of a HOF coach, the other does what he is told and plays his role the best he can. you figure out which is which.



Nothing is assured in the NFL. You may be right. But TD had Henry and he still drafted McGahee. Every position is fair game for improvement, and IMO Reed did nothing last year to show he's anything special. So it's ok to gamble a first rounder on a guy with a torn apart knee but not on a guy with questionable character? It's case by case but here I think Bryant is worth the risk.

good point about reed.. he did show something in his rookie year though.. funny thing is.. bryant did the same thing.. showed something in his rookie year.. and then couldnt hold the 2 spot, lost it to glenn.. and sucked at the 3 spot last year too.. he started 5 game last year.. never broke 100 yards a game at all, the entire season.. only had 2 tds all season.. big friggen deal.

mark my words.. he will never be worth a damn his whole career and go down as just another wasted talent that couldnt lose the big fat chip on his shoulder..

i would rather not have trash like that on the bills. and i am 100% positive that TD would never allow it anyway.




My idea was to trade Reed for Bryant straight up. Evans was drafted because Reed showed last year he could not replace Price as a #2. I was unaware you couldn't have 3 fast receivers. Evans could play the slot and play it well for a year or 2. What's wrong with that? BTW, Bellichick may be a jerk but he's no idiot.

lee evans was brought in to be an outside receiver. not a slot guy. what makes you think he would play the slot better than reed would..

your right. there is no rule against having 3 fast wrs.. but there is also nothing that says that you need more than 1 fast wr to be good.. moulds is not fast.. he never has been.. he probably runs a high 4.4.. but he is a good receiver who can jump.

evans is a burner.. and reed is a slot guy who was misused in gilbrides horrible offense, and as you know he got over his drops.. was he ready to be a number 2 last year? obviously not.. but that doesnt mean he wont ever be.

i do know one thing.. 10 years from now.. it will be antonio who? and reed will still be playing.

finsrclowns
06-10-2004, 06:30 PM
yeah.. he was a number 2 with a hurt moulds and drews sorry ass at qb. quincy carter was a better qb last year... and he was playing behind galloway and glenn.. reed had a hurt moulds and shaw to scare people..

You've got it backwards...Reed helped Drew look sorry- he sure as heck was no Price. And even Price didn't force teams to game plan for him. You think Moulds being hurt changed how Reed was defended one bit? What a joke. There's tons of blame to go around for last year but even if Moulds had been healthy there's no reason to think Reed would have been a factor as a #2.


i do know one thing.. 10 years from now.. it will be antonio who? and reed will still be playing.

You're very sure of yourself and your opinions. Hope you're right. I'll let this pointless discussion go now.

Tatonka
06-10-2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
You've got it backwards...Reed helped Drew look sorry- he sure as heck was no Price. And even Price didn't force teams to game plan for him. You think Moulds being hurt changed how Reed was defended one bit? What a joke. There's tons of blame to go around for last year but even if Moulds had been healthy there's no reason to think Reed would have been a factor as a #2.



You're very sure of yourself and your opinions. Hope you're right. I'll let this pointless discussion go now.


hey bud.. there is no harm in a good debate.. this is the offseason.. this was actually one of the best threads in a while!

reed didnt help last year.. but even after reed got over the drops.. drews passes were off.. he threw the ball probably the worst he ever has in his career. there were plenty of times when reed was open and was underthrown or ovre thrown..

regardless..

bryant lost his job last year.. for a reason.. it is not like glenn hasnt been a constant underperformer his whole career.. and galloway is not a spring chicken.. bryant was given a chance to be a number two as well.. and he lost it... he lost it to a guy that parcells called "she".

come on.. i just dont see how you could give up on reed like that and assume that bryant would be better on the field.. it is a given that he would be 10 x the headache off of it.

if we judged all receivers by their second year totals then alot of guys would be out of the league..

finsrclowns
06-10-2004, 09:10 PM
he he....I'd take Glenn over Reed too!:sweat:

The Spaz
06-10-2004, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
he he....I'd take Glenn over Reed too!:sweat:

Now your just sick!!:puke:

finsrclowns
06-10-2004, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by The Spaz


Now your just sick!!:puke:

Glenn has had his troubles too but he played pretty well for Parcells in NE- 90 catches as a rookie, important piece of the '96 SB team. Even at this point in his career he's physically a very gifted receiver. It's not surprising he took a chance on Glenn when he had the chance to bring him to Dallas at very little cost. Glenn was a solid player and citizen his year in GB- I was surprised they let him go. He wasn't great for Dallas last year but Reed would have taken his year, and again Carter is very average IMO. Don't be shocked if another Parcells guy Vinny T ends up as the starter there, if not at the beginning of the season then at some point during the year.

The one thing that makes any discussion of our receivers difficult is factoring in the effect of Killdrive's suicide pact he called an offense. You give receivers 3 or more choices on what route to run on blitz pickup with an OL that could charitably be called pass blocking challenged. So Reed should benefit from this year's offense. I'll be quite happy if he has a monster year. But I'd still take Bryant. :p:

Tatonka
06-10-2004, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by finsrclowns
he he....I'd take Glenn over Reed too!:sweat:

"Say that again, and we are no longer brothers" - Brad Pitt in Legends of the Fall.

elltrain22
06-11-2004, 12:24 AM
I don't know, if he cant get along w/ Parcells, who knows how he might do w/ us.