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  • juice
    Registered User
    • Aug 2003
    • 3538

    Izzell Reese or Coy Wire at FS

    If the competition at FS is between Reese and Wire, Who should start and who would give us more Interceptions needed at the position,which has been lacking that type of momentum changing "Big Play".

    Reese was playing well at the position when given the chance last season while starting... It is a natural position for him and he has the Range and experience to make correct reads to be effective.

    Wire is highly aggressive and can produce big plays in run defense and Blitzing situatons... Over agression can be a liability at FS and leave the Defense open to Big Plays but if used correctly can give the Bills a John Lynch type player at FS.

    Wire seems to be more of a SS type player but Milloy will be more effective with that type of play.

    Or Can the position be filled by both players, Reese that is a better cover defender and Wire who is a more instinctive tackler and Blitzer?
    Last edited by juice; 06-26-2004, 09:00 PM.


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  • TigerJ
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    • Jul 2002
    • 22575

    #2
    The assumption is that because as a rookie, two years ago, Wire was making the transition from LB and was not very good in coverage, that this will still be the case. I'd prefer to hold off on that judgement. He was getting better toward the end of his rookie season, and had a whole season to watch from the sidelines, study film, practice and work with a more experienced Lawyer Milloy. If nothing else Wire seems to be a highly motivated and intelligent player, and I would not put it past him to have learned how to cover.

    I think it's pretty clear Buffalo is not going to get a lot of interceptions out of Reese.
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    • Tatonka
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      • Jul 2002
      • 21289

      #3
      yeah.. reese has shown over his career to be a real "interception machine"

      7 career INTs in 6 years.. and 3 of those came in one season 4 years ago..

      none in the last two years..

      reese will never get any better..

      wire can.

      wire is the better choice and will be the starter..

      reese is ... well.. lets just say.. you cant turn chicken **** into chicken salad.
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      • G. Host
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        • Jul 2002
        • 10298

        #4
        I think Wire should get his shot but the Bills should try to lock him up longer if they are going to invest the money in training him to be a free safety rather than his more natural position of strong safety.

        Also he will end up competing with Vincent sooner or later since that is part of the plan when they brought Vincent to the Bills.

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        • Jan Reimers
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          • May 2003
          • 17353

          #5
          It would appear that Wire is a better, more competitive athlete with a much bigger upside than Reese. He is far more likely to give us some big plays, but perhaps a little more likely to get toasted occasionally as well.

          I'd take Wire. He won't fail for lack of effort.
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          • justasportsfan
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            • Jul 2002
            • 71579

            #6
            If I were the coaches I'd let Wire cover Moulds in some drills just to practice his coverage skills and let Drew (or the other 2 ) through to him just so he can practice catching. Wire could be a liability covering the likes of McMichael or a caliber of Gonzo if he doesn't improve.
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            • DraftBoy
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              • Jul 2002
              • 107452

              #7
              Wire over Reese, no competition there.
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              • juice
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                • Aug 2003
                • 3538

                #8
                Reese might be the best cover Safety on the roster which gives him the upper hand as the starter, at least in passing situations.

                Clements might be able to return to his "Big Play" form with a FS who can back him up when he Gambles to make the Pick.


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                • Tatonka
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 21289

                  #9
                  Originally posted by juice
                  Reese might be the best cover Safety on the roster which gives him the upper hand as the starter, at least in passing situations.

                  Clements might be able to return to his "Big Play" form with a FS who can back him up when he Gambles to make the Pick.
                  is it all of reese's INTs that lead you to believe he can cover?
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                  • juice
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                    • Aug 2003
                    • 3538

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Tatonka
                    is it all of reese's INTs that lead you to believe he can cover?
                    No, It was watching his play last season and him winning the starting position before his injury... from what I have seen of Wire I would say that he is the worst cover guy of all of the DB's on the team.

                    Not to say Wire hasn't improved, but I would say he has the most to prove in reading and recognition.

                    What has Wire done to show that he can be effective in pass coverage and that he is deserving of the starting FS spot? We already have a starting SS.


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                    • Tatonka
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 21289

                      #11
                      reese won the starting FS spot because we dont have another FS on the roster..

                      yeah.. he really had to work his tail off for that..

                      prioleau is an undersized SS.. not a FS.. never was.. he just filled the role for a year.

                      wire is the best athlete of them all.. and has the ability to make big plays..

                      you ask me what has wire shown to change that he cant cover?

                      i ask you what has wire done to show you that he cant cover in the first place.. so he got burn a handful of times as a rookie.. big deal.. all rookies do.. especially ones that are in a new position.. he also held shanon sharp to 0 catches for zero yards..

                      he will be fine.. and reese will be lucky to just be a back up.
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                      • juice
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                        • Aug 2003
                        • 3538

                        #12
                        Wire has the ability to make big plays as a Blitzer and tackler.. why should he be annointed to starting FS when he played the SS position more like a LB and only excelled in run support?

                        Wire hasn't proven he can read and recognize a run play from Playaction, he tends to play with a run first mentallity which leads to him getting burned deep... exposing his inability to recover.

                        Even in run defense he is over aggressive and overruns plays rendering him ineffective as the last line of defense.. This type of play leads to alot of tackles and very few pass plays defended well.

                        LB first mentallity will not make Wire our starting FS, maybe a SS on first and second downs but he will prove to be a liability in pass "D".

                        Has he done something in the offseason to Warrant him being our last line of pass defense when that is the weak point of his game as a DB?

                        I'd rather have Reese playing the center field, at least he has shown the range and has the experience. But Wire is worth taking a look at, as of right now I'd put him no higher than #2 at FS.


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                        • Tatonka
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 21289

                          #13
                          wire hasnt shown you any range at FS because you have not seen him there.. you have no idea what range he has... you also dont know what he has learned about coverage and recognition.. he was a rookie playing a new position.. so of coarse he was going to revert to his LB mentality at first.. but he was only beat a handful of times and got better as the year went on.. including shutting out a future hall of famer in Shanon Sharpe... but of coarse you dont want to see or admit any of that.

                          reese has done NOTHING.. not one pick.. not one fumble.. not one big hit.. NOTHING.. he is a scrub.. and he is a league vet.. who is NOT going to get any better.. there is a reason that denver only had him start at FS for ONE year.
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                          • juice
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                            • Aug 2003
                            • 3538

                            #14
                            Reese has shown the ability to stay in the League at one position.. Even a second string player has a role on any team.

                            Wire may have a role on this "D" but I Question if that role will be as the last line of pass defense.. It's just not the stronge point of his game, UNLESS he has grown by leaps and bounds in coverage ability he seems to be more of a run support guy than a coverage first guy.

                            Wire should concentrate on the SS position, It better fits his natural abilities.


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                            • G. Host
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 10298

                              #15
                              Concentrating on strong safety is a 'Sulking' Sullivan type of move - Wire has too much spirit to do that. In my opinion the Bills should have never signed Malloy - he does not do enough to earn the dollars he gets. The Bills should have stuck with Wire and built the team by draft not overpriced, over the hill veterans.

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