Bills Fans

[Marino13Phins]

I have stayed out of this section of the forum for a while, mostly because I couldn't hold a good football conversation with most of you because a lot of you were to bias in your opinions, and we would just get into fights that had nothing to do with what we are takling about.

I came back in here last night, and posted 3 comments, and they were all taken very well for the most part, and you guys seem to want to have good football conversation, I expected to get smacked for talking about Boston and what not, but you guys listened ot what I had to say.

So all I want to say is thanks for the good football talk so far, I think I am going to start hanging out in this part of the forum again instead of just the lounge. I guess you bills fans aren't so bad after all

*I know this thread will probably get moved, but just wanted to pass along the word.*

[saviorbledsoe]

Tear..........you had me at Hello, you had me at hello

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by saviorbledsoe
Tear..........you had me at Hello, you had me at hello

:lol: You want to buy me a drink then? heh

[Mr. Miyagi]

Dolphins suck.

:couch:

[Novacane]

Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
Dolphins suck.

:couch:


so do the redsox

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Williams34Phins
mostly because I couldn't hold a good football conversation with most of you because a lot of you were to bias in your opinions, Haha! There you might wanna check FH and which fans are more biased. My favorite yearly finfan prediction " the fins are going undefeated" , just to name one among tons of biased opinions. Here's another one, Boston is the best wr in the AFCE :snicker:

[Tatonka]

welcome back.. chump.


:jk:

[Tatonka]

heard any good Randy McBeatshiswife jokes lately?

:snicker:

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by Tatonka
heard any good Randy McBeatshiswife jokes lately?

:snicker:

hey now! :viking:

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by justasportsfan
Haha! There you might wanna check FH and which fans are more biased. My favorite yearly finfan prediction " the fins are going undefeated" , just to name one among tons of biased opinions. Here's another one, Boston is the best wr in the AFCE :snicker:

I never said it wasn't that way over at FH. I don't see any of the we are going un defeated posts, especially not right now. There are a few guys that do it. I'm just saying it used to be much worse over here and it's not too bad anymore.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Sounds good man!

[Samphin1]

Justa likes to take posts that happened years ago and apply them to today's topics. Can you blame him? He is a Bills fan, the only thing they have to loko at is the past and remember how close they came to winning it all. :lol:
Just giving you cr@p Justa. Seriously though, most of the insane predictions over at FH are non existant. Sure we have a few fanaticals but so does this place and probably every other fanbase. The fact that many of you predict Miami's doom every year is just as laughable.

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Samphin1
Justa likes to take posts that happened years ago and apply them to today's topics. Can you blame him? He is a Bills fan, the only thing they have to loko at is the past and remember how close they came to winning it all. :lol:
Just giving you cr@p Justa. Seriously though, most of the insane predictions over at FH are non existant. Sure we have a few fanaticals but so does this place and probably every other fanbase. The fact that many of you predict Miami's doom every year is just as laughable. Everything I've stated was made this year. I can even name the posters. Disgusting actually insists that Boston is the best in the AFCE.

Check out the Chambers/Moulds thread. Even though Chambers has the potential to be great , "some" of them even think he's already better than Moulds. :lol!:

[Schobel94]

Miami is gonna blow chunks, not becuase they don't have the talent, but becuase their team just doesn't flow well. I get a bad vibe from them. They have poor leadership, their biggest veteran leader is too busy bashing gays and blacks, and poor coaching, their head coach is too busy starring in 70's porn movies to coach his team.

It's not becuase I hate the Dolphins, which I do, becuase I hate the Pats too but they just seem to be a solid, tight team. I'm starting to get that feeling here with Mularky, where it has been absent for a long, long time. Miami seems ready to fall apart. Thye have a lot of wasted talent.

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by Schobel94
Miami is gonna blow chunks, not becuase they don't have the talent, but becuase their team just doesn't flow well. I get a bad vibe from them. They have poor leadership, their biggest veteran leader is too busy bashing gays and blacks, and poor coaching, their head coach is too busy starring in 70's porn movies to coach his team.

It's not becuase I hate the Dolphins, which I do, becuase I hate the Pats too but they just seem to be a solid, tight team. I'm starting to get that feeling here with Mularky, where it has been absent for a long, long time. Miami seems ready to fall apart. Thye have a lot of wasted talent.

Wasted talent.... same could be said for the bills.

[Samphin1]

Originally posted by Schobel94
Miami is gonna blow chunks, not becuase they don't have the talent, but becuase their team just doesn't flow well. I get a bad vibe from them. They have poor leadership, their biggest veteran leader is too busy bashing gays and blacks, and poor coaching, their head coach is too busy starring in 70's porn movies to coach his team.

It's not becuase I hate the Dolphins, which I do, becuase I hate the Pats too but they just seem to be a solid, tight team. I'm starting to get that feeling here with Mularky, where it has been absent for a long, long time. Miami seems ready to fall apart. Thye have a lot of wasted talent.

Funniest post of the year and further proves my point. Because YOU have a feeling that Miami is going to be terrible, I suppose we should just fold up shop right? Tell me, how many years in a row have you had this "feeling?" Something tells me this isn't the first year. Also, Mularkey is this grand savior right? Dude has never been a head coach in the NFL in his life. Yeah, that sound slike a sure thing.

If we have poor leadership that leads us to double digit wins, then what does Buffalo have? By the way, Zach Thomas, and Jason Taylor are our biggest veteran leaders, not Seau. Just because he is older doesn't mean he has more influence over the players.

I will give you this though, Buffalo isn't ready to fall apart, they have already unraveled and been spread out everywhere. It is up to them to try to put the pieces back together. Miami, meanwhile will keep on trucking, most likely, having another winnign season staring down at a few teams in the East. MY guess is that, due to the bad heebee jeebee's I am getting form Buffalo, is that they will be one of the teams staring up at Miami.

:madhop:

[Samphin1]

Originally posted by justasportsfan
Everything I've stated was made this year. I can even name the posters. Disgusting actually insists that Boston is the best in the AFCE.

Check out the Chambers/Moulds thread. Even though Chambers has the potential to be great , "some" of them even think he's already better than Moulds. :lol!:

Based on last year's numbers and Moulds severe injuries... I would take Chambers over Moulds right now too. Cheaper, younger and perhaps more talent. :idunno: It is too incomplete to evaluate how good Chambers is going to be. With Moulds, you have a pretty depe history to go back on. If I am building a team right here and now and someone ask me whether I want Moulds or Chambers, I am taking Chambers first. Now as far as Moulds and Boston go...I would hold out to see who gets hurt first, and then take the other one. :naughty:

[saviorbledsoe]

:hitself: :fishfry: :flush: :angry: :homer: :stupid:

[Samphin1]

Originally posted by saviorbledsoe
:hitself: :fishfry: :flush: :angry: :homer: :stupid:

Yet another smart, witty and informative post.... :drool: :lolhit:

[Voltron]

Samphin,

I don't want to start an argument but you sit here and do the same thing that you accuse many of us of. You sir are a hypocrite! :homer:

I totally agree that much of the talent on this team has been wasted but at the same time you can't sit there and tell me with a straight face that Chambers is a more talented receiver than Moulds. That is just being totally biased.

You guys have a better HB but no back up near the quality of Ricky. If he gets hurt your team is screwed! Both our O lines are untested and more or less unknown (I would say we have one of the best, if not the best O line coaches in the league so that gives us a bit of an edge but not much) you have some good receivers but not one QB that can throw a deep ball with much accuracy. Your D has one of the best lines in the league but your LB corps is probably the oldest in the league and your secondary while having 2 of the best CBs in the AFCE is also getting up there in age (just as Vincent is on the Bills side). I think just like many of the :homer: fans at finhell you see more than is really there.

[ryguy8161]

Alright, here's my little shpiel,

Down the road, Chambers will surpass Moulds, no doubt about it. But if I'm in a fantasy draft for just next season, I'm taking Moulds. If I'm in a keeper league that's going to last 5 years, I very well may take Chambers. Yeah, you can say that he's cheaper and younger, but talent wise, he hasn't shown me any reason why he's better. He's only played 3 seasons and entering his prime, his best days are ahead of him.

It's not fair to compare the two right now because of age difference, but after this season we'll have a better judgement because Chambers will have played his fourth season and can now be compared to when Moulds is in his prime.


...to be continued next offseason

[Schobel94]

Originally posted by Samphin1


Funniest post of the year and further proves my point. Because YOU have a feeling that Miami is going to be terrible, I suppose we should just fold up shop right? Tell me, how many years in a row have you had this "feeling?" Something tells me this isn't the first year. Also, Mularkey is this grand savior right? Dude has never been a head coach in the NFL in his life. Yeah, that sound slike a sure thing.

If we have poor leadership that leads us to double digit wins, then what does Buffalo have? By the way, Zach Thomas, and Jason Taylor are our biggest veteran leaders, not Seau. Just because he is older doesn't mean he has more influence over the players.

I will give you this though, Buffalo isn't ready to fall apart, they have already unraveled and been spread out everywhere. It is up to them to try to put the pieces back together. Miami, meanwhile will keep on trucking, most likely, having another winnign season staring down at a few teams in the East. MY guess is that, due to the bad heebee jeebee's I am getting form Buffalo, is that they will be one of the teams staring up at Miami.

:madhop:

1. "Because YOU have a feeling that Miami is going to be terrible, I suppose we should just fold up shop right?"

I don't expect you to do anything, you can do whatever you would like, but I might suggest taking a long walk off a short cliff.

2. "Also, Mularkey is this grand savior right? Dude has never been a head coach in the NFL in his life. Yeah, that sound slike a sure thing."

That's why I stated I have a goof FEELING, but maybe in your peon dictionary that implies absoluteness, but not in mine. Oh, and remember that rookie coach Jon Gruden. I forgot, how did he do? Just becuase he's a rookie does not doom him to failure.

3. "If we have poor leadership that leads us to double digit wins, then what does Buffalo have?"

10-6 with no playoffs is just as bad as 0-16, except at least they get a good draft pick, although with Miami it really doesn't matter becuase they'll probably draft the worst player or trade it for Chris Watson or something.

4. "By the way, Zach Thomas, and Jason Taylor are our biggest veteran leaders, not Seau. Just because he is older doesn't mean he has more influence over the players."

Hmmm, now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the event at which Seau made those comments the same event at which he won the team LEADERSHIP award. Now, usually those things are given to team leaders, or maybe they are just given to old crappy players that play for stupid horrible teams and make fun of gays and blacks.

5. "Miami, meanwhile will keep on trucking"

Don't look now but I think I'm starting to see that cliff.

Miami has had so many chances to actually make an impact and go far in the post season but they blow all of them. The window of opprotunity is small in the NFL, and your best players aren't getting any younger.

When it really counted Miami can't hack it, has never been able to hack it, and will never be able to hack it becuase your team is filled with pathetic losers who beat up their pregnant wives, dress in wedding dresses, use steroids, look like Dumbo, and just plain suck. Suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, SUCK!

I'm tired of being nice, I'm tired of being civil, rational, fiar and balanced. I hate the Dolphins, I hate anyone who likes the Dolphins, I hate anyone who looks at the word Dolphins. Everytime I see them I hope that when they get hit their bodies explode into a million pieces. I hope fire and brimstone rain upon Pro Player Stadium, and I hope they all rot.

I'll see you in the fall!

[Hermanator21]

Anybody who wears those ugly ass colors of the Miami Dolphins is automatically GAY without a question. Ricky was already GAY before he signed with the Dolphins, and Seau was trying to hide the fact that he is GAY by trying to call them out.....Chambers has shown that he could be good but he is GAY to.

[Schobel94]

Oh it was never a question that all of the Dolphins players are homosexuals. I think it's in the contract.

[ryguy8161]

Originally posted by Hermanator21
Anybody who wears those ugly ass colors of the Miami Dolphins is automatically GAY without a question. Ricky was already GAY before he signed with the Dolphins, and Seau was trying to hide the fact that he is GAY by trying to call them out.....Chambers has shown that he could be good but he is GAY to.

:eek: :rolleyes:

[Voltron]

This has already gotten out of hand and should be put in the smack zone :rolleyes:

[Hermanator21]

I agree

But lets go over what we have all learned in class today people:
THE MIAMI DOLPHINS ARE ALL GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ryjam282]

Originally posted by Williams34Phins
I have stayed out of this section of the forum for a while, mostly because I couldn't hold a good football conversation with most of you because a lot of you were to bias in your opinions, and we would just get into fights that had nothing to do with what we are takling about.

I came back in here last night, and posted 3 comments, and they were all taken very well for the most part, and you guys seem to want to have good football conversation, I expected to get smacked for talking about Boston and what not, but you guys listened ot what I had to say.

So all I want to say is thanks for the good football talk so far, I think I am going to start hanging out in this part of the forum again instead of just the lounge. I guess you bills fans aren't so bad after all

*I know this thread will probably get moved, but just wanted to pass along the word.*


Welcome back and I am glad we could get into some good conversation. Your comments are always welcome here. Not everyone acts completely immature all the time. You must have just caught us on a bad day/week last time you were here.

[ryjam282]

Originally posted by Samphin1


Based on last year's numbers and Moulds severe injuries... I would take Chambers over Moulds right now too. Cheaper, younger and perhaps more talent. :idunno: It is too incomplete to evaluate how good Chambers is going to be. With Moulds, you have a pretty depe history to go back on. If I am building a team right here and now and someone ask me whether I want Moulds or Chambers, I am taking Chambers first. Now as far as Moulds and Boston go...I would hold out to see who gets hurt first, and then take the other one. :naughty:


Moulds over Chambers based solely on last year huh? More talent? Based on what? One 3 TD game on Thanksgiving? Has Chambers made a Pro Bowl, Moulds has.
Has Chambers had a 1000 yard season in his first 3 years? Moulds sure did (1368 in 1998, his first year as a starter and with almost the same amount of catches that Chambers had last year. )

Also, check out these numbers from last year. You say "Based on last year's numbers and Moulds severe injuries... I would take Chambers over Moulds right now too." Let's check out the numbers.
Chambers, 64 catches 963 yards 11 TD's
Moulds, 64 catches 780 yards 1 TD.
Moulds only played 13 games last year and had the exact same amount of catches...Also, keep in mind that Moulds did play 3 games with a severely sore groin muscle in attempt to help his team make the playoffs. So, based on those numbers, the only thing you can say is that Moulds didn't get into the endzone last year but there numbers were comparable considering Chambers played 3 more games then he.

So, maybe you can shed some light on the fact that Chris Chambers is anywhere near being a better WR then Eric Moulds cause I am sitting here and can't figure it out. Potential means absolutely nothing cause Moulds still has plenty of it and as we all know, Ryan Leaf was loaded with potential and look how that turned out. Potential means crap until you prove it, especially in the NFL.

[justasportsfan]

Originally posted by Samphin1


Based on last year's numbers and Moulds severe injuries... I would take Chambers over Moulds right now too. Cheaper, younger and perhaps more talent. :idunno: It is too incomplete to evaluate how good Chambers is going to be. With Moulds, you have a pretty depe history to go back on. If I am building a team right here and now and someone ask me whether I want Moulds or Chambers, I am taking Chambers first. Now as far as Moulds and Boston go...I would hold out to see who gets hurt first, and then take the other one. :naughty: Only a finfan would take an unproven Chambers over Moulds. Chambers has yet to make 1000 yds. Inspite of Moulds injuries and 1 game short , Moulds nos. from last year wasn't all that far apart.

Don't get me wrong, Chambers has shown signs of greatness but isn't there yet. Until he gets there ,I'd take a proven no. 1 considered to be an elite. All he's done is put up no. 2 numbers . Add to the fact that no one knows for sure what Feely can do even at his best if he even beats out Fiedler for the job. You still have a questionable OL.

I don't expect you to agree because you're a finfan.

[TigerJ]

For myself, I never smack first.

I agree Buffalo wasted their talent last season. (Samphin's words). I continue to like everything the new coaching staff is doing and I think they will take better advantage this season.

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by Hermanator21
Anybody who wears those ugly ass colors of the Miami Dolphins is automatically GAY without a question. Ricky was already GAY before he signed with the Dolphins, and Seau was trying to hide the fact that he is GAY by trying to call them out.....Chambers has shown that he could be good but he is GAY to.

This might be the worst post ever.... :z:

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by ryjam282



Welcome back and I am glad we could get into some good conversation. Your comments are always welcome here. Not everyone acts completely immature all the time. You must have just caught us on a bad day/week last time you were here.

Yea, it's fun here when we aren't in arguements all the time lol.

IT's not so bad besides the people who can't hold a good conversation and fall back on calling players gay, and making fun of team colors?

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by ryjam282



Moulds over Chambers based solely on last year huh? More talent? Based on what? One 3 TD game on Thanksgiving? Has Chambers made a Pro Bowl, Moulds has.
Has Chambers had a 1000 yard season in his first 3 years? Moulds sure did (1368 in 1998, his first year as a starter and with almost the same amount of catches that Chambers had last year. )

Also, check out these numbers from last year. You say "Based on last year's numbers and Moulds severe injuries... I would take Chambers over Moulds right now too." Let's check out the numbers.
Chambers, 64 catches 963 yards 11 TD's
Moulds, 64 catches 780 yards 1 TD.
Moulds only played 13 games last year and had the exact same amount of catches...Also, keep in mind that Moulds did play 3 games with a severely sore groin muscle in attempt to help his team make the playoffs. So, based on those numbers, the only thing you can say is that Moulds didn't get into the endzone last year but there numbers were comparable considering Chambers played 3 more games then he.

So, maybe you can shed some light on the fact that Chris Chambers is anywhere near being a better WR then Eric Moulds cause I am sitting here and can't figure it out. Potential means absolutely nothing cause Moulds still has plenty of it and as we all know, Ryan Leaf was loaded with potential and look how that turned out. Potential means crap until you prove it, especially in the NFL.

Very good points, but the td's blows him away, also Miami is a run first offense, with an average qb at best, and a terrible oline. 64 catches is not to bad. Moulds who is more experienced (and a better player as of right now imo) came from a decent oline.... not much better then Miami's. A more pass oriented offense, and had a better qb getting him the ball.

[ryguy8161]

Originally posted by Williams34Phins


Very good points, but the td's blows him away, also Miami is a run first offense, with an average qb at best, and a terrible oline. 64 catches is not to bad. Moulds who is more experienced (and a better player as of right now imo) came from a decent oline.... not much better then Miami's. A more pass oriented offense, and had a better qb getting him the ball.


In 2000, Moulds had Rob Johnson as a QB and ended up with 1326 yards receiving.

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by ryguy8161



In 2000, Moulds had Rob Johnson as a QB and ended up with 1326 yards receiving.

Better oline then what miami had last year.

[ryjam282]

Originally posted by Williams34Phins


Very good points, but the td's blows him away, also Miami is a run first offense, with an average qb at best, and a terrible oline. 64 catches is not to bad.

I know the TD's blow him away but remember, Moulds was hurt for awhile and the fact that we didn't have the threat of a running game, it was much easier to double team E-MO too. Chambers got the benefit of single coverage a lot due to defenses pulling up the safety to try to stop Ricky. Most teams know that Ricky can beat you, but Jay Fiedler cannot. And, last year, the Fins threw the ball a lot more then the previous year because Ricky wasn't able to get it done against the 8 in the box D's. So, hopefully, if we can sustain some sort of running attack we will be able to see Moulds get back to 2002 form. As well as Lee Evans being there will help too.

[Samphin1]

OK I was going to try and reply to each post individually, but seeing how everyone seems to want to talk to me, I will respond all at once and try to hit all points. My post said this ( I am paraphrasiing so forgive me for moving a few words around here) Baed on age, salary and Moulds injuries last year. At this point in their careers, I would pretyt much take Chambers as my first wideout going into this upcoming season. Again, I base this off of Eric coming off of what even you guys deem a devastating injury, the fact that he is getting older, ( an argument you guys like to make about our defense which I have thus, debunked, but more on that later Voltron) and salary. Granted, salary isn't my main concern since we are talking talent and production here.

Not once have I said Moulds isn't a great wideout. In fact, I think he is/was a great wideout. What I am saying is that looking at it objectively, until he proves he can come back after a terrible injury, I go with the younger cheaper, talented wideout. Now, as for Chambers being more talented than Moulds? Perhaps you guys missed the little smiley guy giving the shoulder shrug, that means I am not sure if Chambers is more talented. In fact, you guys help my argument by saying Chamber's grade is incomplete. Heck he may throw up some ungodly numbers this year and cna cement himself as being more "talented", then again, he may drop every pass coming his way and prove he isn't. The point is, it is too early to grade Chambers overall talent.

Also, I am a firm believer that the only real stat that counts are points for and points against. Everything else is just personal glory and time fillers for people like us who try ot justify certian players to other people. When you break it all down, points scored and games won/lost, is all that matters.

Ok Voltron, you have some other issues that I will hit up in a separate post just for you buddy. :)

[Samphin1]

Originally posted by Voltron
Samphin,

I don't want to start an argument but you sit here and do the same thing that you accuse many of us of. You sir are a hypocrite! :homer:

I totally agree that much of the talent on this team has been wasted but at the same time you can't sit there and tell me with a straight face that Chambers is a more talented receiver than Moulds. That is just being totally biased.

You guys have a better HB but no back up near the quality of Ricky. If he gets hurt your team is screwed! Both our O lines are untested and more or less unknown (I would say we have one of the best, if not the best O line coaches in the league so that gives us a bit of an edge but not much) you have some good receivers but not one QB that can throw a deep ball with much accuracy. Your D has one of the best lines in the league but your LB corps is probably the oldest in the league and your secondary while having 2 of the best CBs in the AFCE is also getting up there in age (just as Vincent is on the Bills side). I think just like many of the :homer: fans at finhell you see more than is really there.


Ok first things first. I disagree. I think Henry is right up there with Ricky as far as talent. I used ot think Ricky wa sleaps and bounds ahead of Henry, but then I checked stats, and everything is virtually identical to one another, other than receiving stats and TD's. I also agree that our backups aren't as talented as Ricky, but that is why they are backups. Travis Minor is a back in the mold of Warrick Dunn and isn't supposed to be the type of back Ricky is. Personally, until Willis proves otherwise, our backup has at least proved he can hang in the NFL.

O-line, I pretty much agree. You guys changed one part and got anew coach, we changed 4/5's and kept the coach. Both strategies might fail, btu I have a feeling that both should be better than last year, heck, neither could get much worse.

Now, I agree, I think we have talented recievers. Where I do disagree is when you say we have no QB who can throw the ball deep with accuracy. That is wrong. Base don early returns of Feeley, that is what he excels at. He has trouble with the shorter more "touch" pass routes ( such as quick ins and outs and hitting the running backs out of the backfield with anything other than a bullet pass). He also seems to have trouble throwing on the run. Throwing deep and accurate though? One of his strongpoints so far. So, basically your argument is talking about Jay Fiedler, not Feeley.

I agree about our D-line. It is definately a strongpoint, with or without O-gun. Linebackers, yes also older guys. But our depth is really really young ( and unproven ) and Greenwood is only 25 and starting. Eddie Moore, Branden Ayabadejo and Tony Bua are all young vastly talented guys who play with a lot of heart and grit. They should make good backups and eventually fight it out for starting spots over the next couple of years.

Now, as for DBs... are average age is actually younger than Buffalo's. Patrick Surtain is 28. as is Sammy Knight, one of our safeties. Arturo Freeman and Ataun Edwards are battling for the other starting safety spot and both are 27. Sam Madison is the only starting DB in his 30's and he is just that, 30.

Our backups? Reggie Howard 27, Will Poole, 22 for our CB's. Safety backups are going to be whoever loses the Freeman/Edwards battle, Alphonso Roundtree, 27 and Shawn Wooden who is also 30. So actually, technically, our average age got younger this year over last year. Marion was the "old" guy of the group and he has sice moved on.

Meanwhile, I believe Troy Vincent and Lawyer Milloy are both in their 30's and both in your starting lineup.

I did a huge write up about the age misconception on this site a few weeks back, scroll through a few pages to find it if you like. Basically, I broke down everyone's age on both sides of the defense and the average age of both teams is pretyt much dead even.

Anyhow, I hope this answers your questions.

[Samphin1]

Originally posted by Schobel94


1. "Because YOU have a feeling that Miami is going to be terrible, I suppose we should just fold up shop right?"

I don't expect you to do anything, you can do whatever you would like, but I might suggest taking a long walk off a short cliff.

2. "Also, Mularkey is this grand savior right? Dude has never been a head coach in the NFL in his life. Yeah, that sound slike a sure thing."

That's why I stated I have a goof FEELING, but maybe in your peon dictionary that implies absoluteness, but not in mine. Oh, and remember that rookie coach Jon Gruden. I forgot, how did he do? Just becuase he's a rookie does not doom him to failure.

3. "If we have poor leadership that leads us to double digit wins, then what does Buffalo have?"




10-6 with no playoffs is just as bad as 0-16, except at least they get a good draft pick, although with Miami it really doesn't matter becuase they'll probably draft the worst player or trade it for Chris Watson or something.

4. "By the way, Zach Thomas, and Jason Taylor are our biggest veteran leaders, not Seau. Just because he is older doesn't mean he has more influence over the players."

Hmmm, now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the event at which Seau made those comments the same event at which he won the team LEADERSHIP award. Now, usually those things are given to team leaders, or maybe they are just given to old crappy players that play for stupid horrible teams and make fun of gays and blacks.

5. "Miami, meanwhile will keep on trucking"

Don't look now but I think I'm starting to see that cliff.

Miami has had so many chances to actually make an impact and go far in the post season but they blow all of them. The window of opprotunity is small in the NFL, and your best players aren't getting any younger.

When it really counted Miami can't hack it, has never been able to hack it, and will never be able to hack it becuase your team is filled with pathetic losers who beat up their pregnant wives, dress in wedding dresses, use steroids, look like Dumbo, and just plain suck. Suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck, SUCK!

I'm tired of being nice, I'm tired of being civil, rational, fiar and balanced. I hate the Dolphins, I hate anyone who likes the Dolphins, I hate anyone who looks at the word Dolphins. Everytime I see them I hope that when they get hit their bodies explode into a million pieces. I hope fire and brimstone rain upon Pro Player Stadium, and I hope they all rot.

I'll see you in the fall!


Hmmmm, I don't think Bills fans should talk about Miami not hacking it when it counts. Afterall, my team never lost four SuperBowls in a row. To me, that reeks of unhackatude ( new word mine don't use it! ). Also, that argument about having a better draft pick is lame. I guess Buffalo figured they didn't have a chance and planned to lose games on purpose to get a better draft pick. Something tells me you would have traded those two losses to Miami and moved down a few spots than be, once again towards the top of the NFL draft due to losing so often. Tell me, since your team always has these high draft picks...why aren't they working? Shouldn't you guys be moving into the 20's with your first pick rather than mving towards the single digits? :jawdrop:

It looks like all those high first rounders are doing is getting you closer to the number one pick overall.:baghead:

[buffmaniac]

Originally posted by Samphin1
OK I was going to try and reply to each post individually, but seeing how everyone seems to want to talk to me, I will respond all at once and try to hit all points. My post said this ( I am paraphrasiing so forgive me for moving a few words around here) Baed on age, salary and Moulds injuries last year. At this point in their careers, I would pretyt much take Chambers as my first wideout going into this upcoming season. Again, I base this off of Eric coming off of what even you guys deem a devastating injury, the fact that he is getting older, ( an argument you guys like to make about our defense which I have thus, debunked, but more on that later Voltron) and salary. Granted, salary isn't my main concern since we are talking talent and production here.

Not once have I said Moulds isn't a great wideout. In fact, I think he is/was a great wideout. What I am saying is that looking at it objectively, until he proves he can come back after a terrible injury, I go with the younger cheaper, talented wideout. Now, as for Chambers being more talented than Moulds? Perhaps you guys missed the little smiley guy giving the shoulder shrug, that means I am not sure if Chambers is more talented. In fact, you guys help my argument by saying Chamber's grade is incomplete. Heck he may throw up some ungodly numbers this year and cna cement himself as being more "talented", then again, he may drop every pass coming his way and prove he isn't. The point is, it is too early to grade Chambers overall talent.

Moulds is still much better than Chambers. This isn't even worth a comparison. I mean Chambers hasn't even had 1000yds in a season. Plus Moulds has looked great so far and is already over the injury from last year. He will have another great year.

Just a sidenote. In an interview, the WRs coach for Wisconsin said that Evans is a better WR entering the NFL than Chambers was. Look for big things from Evans as well

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Fairway To Green
so do the redsox

:snicker:

Keep kicking him while he's down. :evil:

:loblo:

[Marino13Phins]

Originally posted by buffmaniac
Moulds is still much better than Chambers. This isn't even worth a comparison. I mean Chambers hasn't even had 1000yds in a season. Plus Moulds has looked great so far and is already over the injury from last year. He will have another great year.

Just a sidenote. In an interview, the WRs coach for Wisconsin said that Evans is a better WR entering the NFL than Chambers was. Look for big things from Evans as well

Taht's entering the draft, it's a different ball game when you actually get out there and play in this league.

Also I would not say Moulds is a much better WR then Chambers currently. He is obviously better. Chambers comes from a run first offense, with no legit second WR ever, we'll see what Boston does. Moulds thrived from a pass first offense, a good qb, and when Price was in buffalo a good #2 WR to take pressure off him. If I was a WR and I had my choice of offense I would pick the bills over miami, because Miami is run run, pass if you have to. The bills pass, becuase they have a good qb in bledsoe throwing the ball, not Jay Fiedler.