According to the NFLPA website the contract numbers for Evans and Losman

[Ebenezer]

I've been away and did not know if anybody posted this...

The numbers look like this (these are base salary numbers and are not reflective of the cap hit of either player):

Evans:
2004 230000.00
2005 311250.00
2006 542500.00
2007 773750.00
2008 1005000.00
2009 1236250.00


Losman:
2004 230000.00
2005 305000.00
2006 385000.00
2007 550000.00
2008 650000.00


Amazing stuff. I read that Losman has no signing bonus this year. If that is true then he is playing for the league minimum. Evans is reported to have a $2.2 mil signing bonus (which would be divided by 6 years)...that means his cap hit is only $366,667 this year.

For what I have dug up the cap hits look like this:

Evans:
2004 $366,667
2005 $1,077,917
2006 $1,309,167
2007 $1,540,417
2008 $1,771,667
2009 $2,002,917

Losman:
2004 230000.00 (right now it is actually zero because he is not one of the top 51 but when he makes the team it will count)
2005 $1,330,000
2006 $1,571,667
2007 $1,741,667
2008 $1,841,667

Depending on the other bonuses the actual final cap hit will change. However, these are incredible contracts for the Bills. TD did a mighty fine job getting them under contract.

[Ickybaluky]

Len Pasquarelli reported that Evans deal contained an initial SB and 2 option bonuses. His total guaranteed monies are $5.586M and his contract could reach $24.58M with incentives and escalators.

The Buffalo News reported Evans deal had a $2.2M SB and a $4.2M option bonus next year.

Evans contract is for 6 years, but the last year if voidable so it is really a 5-year deal.

Losman's deal may not contact a SB (I have not heard terms), but it likely contains other guaranteeds in the form of roster, option or reporting bonuses.

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by NE39
Len Pasquarelli reported that Evans deal contained an initial SB and 2 option bonuses. His total guaranteed monies are $5.586M and his contract could reach $24.58M with incentives and escalators.

The Buffalo News reported Evans deal had a $2.2M SB and a $4.2M option bonus next year.

Evans contract is for 6 years, but the last year if voidable so it is really a 5-year deal.

Losman's deal may not contact a SB (I have not heard terms), but it likely contains other guaranteeds in the form of roster, option or reporting bonuses.

I heard that the option bonus for Evans in 2005 is $2.2 million not the $4.2 mil you have.

[Ickybaluky]

The $4.2M does sound high. However, the $5.586M in guarantees Pasquarelli reports is probably pretty accurate. Pasquarelli says there are 2 option bonus' in addition to the $2.2M up front.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by NE39
The $4.2M does sound high. However, the $5.586M in guarantees Pasquarelli reports is probably pretty accurate. Pasquarelli says there are 2 option bonus' in addition to the $2.2M up front.

Did Watson sign yet?

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by NE39
The $4.2M does sound high. However, the $5.586M in guarantees Pasquarelli reports is probably pretty accurate. Pasquarelli says there are 2 option bonus' in addition to the $2.2M up front.

Are the option bonuses amoratized?


Originally posted by The Spaz
Did Watson sign yet?

not that I have heard...he and rivers are the only 1st rounders not to sign.

[Earthquake Enyart]

I'll wait until CP weighs in. Chances are all this stuff is wrong. :eek:

[Goobylal]

Originally posted by Ebenezer
not that I have heard...he and rivers are the only 1st rounders not to sign.
Methinks the Spaz already knew the answer.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Goobylal
Methinks the Spaz already knew the answer.

:snicker::up:

[Ickybaluky]

Did Watson sign yet?

No, and it looks like a long-term holdout.

The Pats want him to accept a 6-year deal, but he only wants to sign for 5 years. They got Wilfork, Seymour and Warren to accept that length on their rookie deals, and state it is a team mandate that 1st round picks sign for 6 years. Graham (1st round 2002) is the only 1st round pick signed for 5 years. The Patriots haven't ever done voidable deals.

I can't really blame Watson for his stance. Only one 1st round pick slotted in the lower quarter of the 1st round since 1993 has signed for more than 5 years, so the Patriots' stance is unusual. Also, Watson is slightly overaged (23), so he will be 29 by the time he hits free agency if he signs for 6 years.

However, both sides are being pretty stubborn about it, and a resolution is not in sight. Nobody is questioning the Pats front office because of all the goodwill they have stored up from their recent success, and the fact they are returning both Fauria and Graham. However, one would think it is in their best interest to sign Watson and get him in.

The Pats have until the 10th week of the season to sign Watson. After that, he will b ineligible to play. After that, he does have the option of re-entering the draft.

[clumping platelets]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
I'll wait until CP weighs in. Chances are all this stuff is wrong. :eek:


What the he!! do I know? :ontome:


The information provided in the previous posts is the same that I have.

I suspect that Losman rec'd a roster bonus with his salary, otherwise, there is no way the Bills came within $1,000 of there rookie pool of slightly more than $3.64 million (NOT the reported $4+ million the Buff News had).

I've got an e-mail out to a fellow capologist who hopefully can give me a breakdown of their deals

[Ickybaluky]

Did Watson sign yet?

Watson fired his agent, Tom Condon. He got a waiver from the NFLPA on the 5-day rule (a player is required to wait 5 days after firing an agent before a new one can be used) and picked Pay Dye as his new agent (he also represented 5th-round pick P.K. Sam). Dye and Jack Mula (who negotiates contracts for the Pats) are meeting tonight and he should be signed in the next couple of days.

[Ickybaluky]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Did Watson sign yet?

You'll be happy to hear he just signed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=1860223) and had his first practice with the team this morning.

The Pats signed him to a 6-year non-voidable deal, as they did Vince Wilfork.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by NE39
You'll be happy to hear he just signed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=1860223) and had his first practice with the team this morning.

The Pats signed him to a 6-year non-voidable deal, as they did Vince Wilfork.


Great I hope he turns out like Graham.

[Ickybaluky]

I hope so as well...

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by NE39
I hope so as well...

I know Graham has been spectacular so far...

[Ickybaluky]

Did you watch the Super Bowl? Graham has developed into one of the more devastating blocking TE's in the league.

Granted, his development in the passing game has been slow, but that isn't abnormal for a TE. Graham has been unreal in camp and is ready to break out this year. He has tremendous talent and will be a big-time player for the Pats this year.

Between Graham and Watson, the Pats will have more athleticism in 2 TE sets than any team in the NFL.

[The Spaz]

:hail:Patriots. I agree everyone should take blocking TE's in the 1st round.

[Ickybaluky]

He isn't a blocking TE. He is a complete TE who is already a top blocker and is developing in the passing game. His receptions have gone up.

Graham struggled with a shoulder injury his rookie year and only caught 15 passes, but he got a lot better last year. He caught 38 passes for 409 yards and 4 TD. That isn't terrible production, especially on a team like the Patriots that spreads the ball aroung to many different players.

TE, like WR, is a position that historically takes time to develop. Graham will continue to improve, and be the kind of complete TE a Super Bowl contender could use.