Lee Evans at KR

[juice]

Looking at the latest ESPN Mag they have a fantasy breakdown in which Evans is listed as a Top Fantasy KRer, with his speed he might be the answer to or ST return problems.

Anyone know if he has been doing any returning in practice like Moulds did early in his career or if he was ever used in the return game in college?

I'd rather see Lee back there on KR or PR than Clements who is invaluable to our exceptional Defense.

[The Spaz]

No he won't and he shouldn't be used at that position way too much risk at that position. Besides that we have like 6-7 guys competing at that spot now. Also Evans didn't do KR/PR in college.

[juice]

Originally posted by The Spaz
No he won't and he shouldn't be used at that position way too much risk at that position. Besides that we have like 6-7 guys competing at that spot now. Also Evans didn't do KR/PR in college.

Clements would be a bigger loss to this team than Evans and Moulds did some return duty early in his career, why not Lee Evans.. Besides Evans isn't even a starter as of yet, many Rookies have to earn their "Stripes" on ST.

[The Spaz]

The difference is the coaching staff is expecting Evans to start right away wether they say that or not and him being injured playing that position would mess up the plans.

[casdhf]

By the sounds of it, he's earning a starting spot at WR.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by casdhf
By the sounds of it, he's earning a starting spot at WR.

Correct and I'm happy.:up::beers:

[Michael82]

Nope, it's not true. They havent even tried him there in camp. The current KRs are Antonio Brown, who is getting every chance he can to keep his job, Josh Reed, and Terrence McGee also have a shot at taking the job. Or you might even see Ken Simonton use it as a way to keep his job.

[juice]

Originally posted by Mikey82
Nope, it's not true. They havent even tried him there in camp. The current KRs are Antonio Brown, who is getting every chance he can to keep his job, Josh Reed, and Terrence McGee also have a shot at taking the job. Or you might even see Ken Simonton use it as a way to keep his job.

Lee seems to be a more natural fit to help fix the lack of production in the return game.. World class speed as well as field vision.

[The Spaz]

He's not goign to be a returner so just focus on who is. Hopefully Brown has a better year.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by juice
Lee seems to be a more natural fit to help fix the lack of production in the return game.. World class speed as well as field vision.

If you want Evans to be your #2 receiver, you can't have him back there returning kicks. It gets tiring and is too risky too.

[juice]

Originally posted by The Spaz
He's not goign to be a returner so just focus on who is. Hopefully Brown has a better year.

I lost hope in Brown last season.. He has NO field vision.


Originally posted by Mikey82
If you want Evans to be your #2 receiver, you can't have him back there returning kicks. It gets tiring and is too risky too.

I dont see the since in having your stud CB back there, but I'd rather see the Rook returning kicks over Clements.. Moulds did it.. and we have alot more recievers than Lock down Corners.

Like WM Evans hasn't proven he is a starter in this League.

[tampabay25690]

Originally posted by The Spaz
No he won't and he shouldn't be used at that position way too much risk at that position. Besides that we have like 6-7 guys competing at that spot now. Also Evans didn't do KR/PR in college.

I agree with you there, we should never use him as a kick returner

[tampabay25690]

If anyone I would like to see KR this year I would like to see Jonathon Smith the rookie, they have said that he is the best athlete ever to come out of G-Tech. I do remember seeing him play last year against FSU and the guy was a stud did everything, WR, RB, KR, PR........

[socalfan]

You know, even OJ Simpson was a KR guy when he played in Buffalo. Why not a McGahee or a Evans?

[juice]

Originally posted by socalfan
You know, even OJ Simpson was a KR guy when he played in Buffalo. Why not a McGahee or a Evans?

Why not? Its still the game of football why not let these Rookies earn some PT.


Originally posted by tampabay25690
If anyone I would like to see KR this year I would like to see Jonathon Smith the rookie, they have said that he is the best athlete ever to come out of G-Tech. I do remember seeing him play last year against FSU and the guy was a stud did everything, WR, RB, KR, PR........

I agree, this kid deserves a shot, but an Evans could change the outcome of a couple of games by changing Ave. possesion starting position from the 20 yd line to the 35 yd line.

[chubluv]

Originally posted by Mikey82
Nope, it's not true. They havent even tried him there in camp. The current KRs are Antonio Brown, who is getting every chance he can to keep his job, Josh Reed, and Terrence McGee also have a shot at taking the job. Or you might even see Ken Simonton use it as a way to keep his job.


I thought they drafted that kid from georgia tech in the 7th rd to try as a kick returner. Freddie Smith or whatever his name is.

[helmetguy]

Originally posted by juice
Lee seems to be a more natural fit to help fix the lack of production in the return game.. World class speed as well as field vision.

Since they haven't even TRIED Evans at the position in camp, how can you possibly claim he has better "field vision" than, say Antonio Brown? Talking through the back of your front again?

[juice]

Originally posted by helmetguy
Since they haven't even TRIED Evans at the position in camp, how can you possibly claim he has better "field vision" than, say Antonio Brown? Talking through the back of your front again?

I didn't say he had better Field Vision than Brown or anyone else, But I would say that YOU probably have better Field Vision than Antonio. But if you look at his BIO it talks of his Open-Field running ability which pretty much Equates to Field-Vision.

The article in ESPN MAG ranked LEE as a top fantasy KR man, maybe that Publication has some inside track, or maybe you are a professional anal-lyst and can offer a CREDIBLE solution to the return game lack of production.. what are you talking Through?

[Earthquake Enyart]

I still think Brown is gonna be ok.

Give the kid a chance with a real special teams coach.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by juice
I didn't say he had better Field Vision than Brown or anyone else, But I would say that YOU probably have better Field Vision than Antonio. But if you look at his BIO it talks of his Open-Field running ability which pretty much Equates to Field-Vision.

The article in ESPN MAG ranked LEE as a top fantasy KR man, maybe that Publication has some inside track, or maybe you are a professional anal-lyst and can offer a CREDIBLE solution to the return game lack of production.. what are you talking Through?

They haven't even tried him out at that spot so he isn't goign to be a returner period unless we have some serious injuries.

[tomdonahoe]

I think you will see Reed and Brown returning kicks. They like Reed because he can break tackles but it is probably still up in the air. Maybe T. McGee also. I think they need to give Brown another year. In no way am I comparing them but KC had Dante Hall on their roster for a few seasons before he blossomed. To Brown's defense he didn't have much blocking from the special teams unit. However Brown tripping over the twenty yard line all by himself is another story.

[Billsouth]

can anyone say JASON SEHORN?

[juice]

Reed lacks the speed and Brown lacks field vision, if Evans could give this team the spark that D. Hall gave KC last year he could be one of the team MVP's and change the outcome of several games.

[tomdonahoe]

Originally posted by juice
Reed lacks the speed and Brown lacks field vision, if Evans could give this team the spark that D. Hall gave KC last year he could be one of the team MVP's and change the outcome of several games.

How weird would it be to see the freakin Buffalo Bills leading the league in returning kickoffs and punts for touchdowns....The blocking is just as important as the guy with the football. I thought our blocking was poor last year, no walls.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Originally posted by Billsouth
can anyone say JASON SEHORN?

Yes I can say Jason Sehorn but Why would I want to?

[Billsouth]

because u would have remembered that the giants had him handle kick return duties and he blew his knee out in preseason and never really recovered the same speed.

that is why u would say jason sehorn... because it is a bad idea to have evans return kicks. why do u think u never see bigtime offensive weapons return kicks?

thats how guys like mike bates and desmond howard made a living and why probowl has a spot for just a special teams player

[juice]

Originally posted by Billsouth
because u would have remembered that the giants had him handle kick return duties and he blew his knee out in preseason and never really recovered the same speed.

that is why u would say jason sehorn... because it is a bad idea to have evans return kicks. why do u think u never see bigtime offensive weapons return kicks?

thats how guys like mike bates and desmond howard made a living and why probowl has a spot for just a special teams player

Sehorn never had speed or the ability to cover, reminds me of Wire.

So Nate Clements is a viable option? Nate is one of our top 3 Defensive players and Evans is an unproven Rookie.. We seem to be Babying some of these young guys.. 1st pick or not if he can improve our field position he is still part of this team.

How many WR do we have on this roster.. Now how many players the caliber of Nate Clements.. Evans is only a Pre-season Superstar, Moulds held down return duty.

[Billsouth]

there is a big difference between punts and kicks.

u r crazy if u think sehorn did not have speed. how could he possibly remind u of wire... he was never a big hitter (or a linebacker for that matter) he was a speed corner. why do u think they had him return kicks?

because he was a speedster.

When did moulds return kicks?

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
I still think Brown is gonna be ok.

Give the kid a chance with a real special teams coach.

I agree. He looks like he is getting better during practice and the ST coach really seems to love him.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by socalfan
You know, even OJ Simpson was a KR guy when he played in Buffalo. Why not a McGahee or a Evans?

The two worst years of his career. (not injury related)


Wow.....a John Rauch fan?

[juice]

Originally posted by Billsouth
how could he possibly remind u of wire...

When did moulds return kicks?

He had speed a few Knee injuries ago if I'm not mistaken.. and he reminds me of Wire because his ability to cover was always over-rated or non-existant.

Sapp called Sehorn out when he said that Lynch was the real deal when it came to white DB's that could play and Sehorn wasn't.

I wouldn't want my stud DB on KR or PR, but it might have been PR that Moulds did early in his career, either way they are the two most hazardous jobs in the game.

I'm not sure but I thought Sehorn had another knee injury or something when he was with the Giants.. So maybe I shouldn't say he never had speed, but he was never a lock down corner.

[Billsouth]

to put this to bed here is what ernie acorsi was quoted as saying:

Accorsi called some of Sehorn's more memorable moments "magical," and wasn't far from the truth. Before accumulated injuries over the last five years sapped him of speed, the 6-foot-2, 213-pound Sehorn ranked among the best corners in the NFL. Fast, tall, and athletic, Sehorn appeared ready to break into the elite following a strong 1997 season in which he recorded a career-high six interceptions, one of which he returned for a touchdown.

A blown right knee and a broken left leg wrecked his next two seasons, but he came back strong in 2000 to break up a team-high 17 passes. He returned an on-side kick against Jacksonville 38 yards for a touchdown in the final, must-win game for home field playoff advantage, and then sparkled against Philadelphia and Minnesota in the playoffs.

Injuries, this time involving knee swelling, cut into his skills again in 2001. Last year, he fell to nickel back, behind young right corner Will Peterson on the depth chart.

Despite the decline, there were always flashes of what he had been. He returned an interception for a touchdown against St. Louis. And there was a pick in the wild card game in San Francisco that set up the final touchdown of the first half, which gave the Giants a 28-14 halftime lead.

There would, of course, be a huge collapse, with Sehorn getting burned repeatedly by Terrell Owens as the 49ers roared back with 25 unanswered points.

In the end, the physical decline and the rising $4.3 million salary proved too expensive to keep him around. Even if he did take the cut, he might not have made it to training camp.

So Sehorn decided it was best to move on, a view many in the Giants organization also held.

"We wish him well," Accorsi said.




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[Billsouth]

fyi- the story was from:

By ERNIE PALLADINO
The (Westchester, N.Y.) Journal News

[Michael82]

That's exactly why I don't want Nate Clements or Lee Evans returning kicks or punts. It's WAYYYYY too risky!!! :mad:

[juice]

Originally posted by Mikey82
That's exactly why I don't want Nate Clements or Lee Evans returning kicks or punts. It's WAYYYYY too risky!!! :mad:

My point exactly Mike, I wonder why they did it last year with Nate and why he is still practicing Returns this year. Nate is one of the few potential Pro Bowlers we have on this Defense and he is a Pick Artist, we should either get a specialist for return duty or use the most capable Rookie.

I dont really want to see our Speedster and 1st pick back there but I would much rather Evans than Clements.

[Billsouth]

why would u want to use clements or evans to return kicks. think about the risk v benefit? why do u think that terrel owens, champ bailey, clinton portis, ladamian tomlinson, [insert number one pick of any team] return do Not return kicks? because they r too valuable to their team.

i would rather use brown, coleman or the jonathan smith as they are more expendable to our team than clements or evans.

[juice]

Originally posted by Billsouth
why would u want to use clements or evans to return kicks. think about the risk v benefit? why do u think that terrel owens, champ bailey, clinton portis, ladamian tomlinson, [insert number one pick of any team] return do Not return kicks? because they r too valuable to their team.

i would rather use brown, coleman or the jonathan smith as they are more expendable to our team than clements or evans.

I just think that the Rookie should pull return duty before our Stud DB. I thought this statement explained it..




Originally posted by juice

I dont really want to see our Speedster and 1st pick back there but I would much rather Evans than Clements.

Most Rookie WR dont make an impact until the 3rd year, even though this staff may have different ideas for Evans, what would you have these guys do in their first 2 yrs, sit on the bench?

Rookies need to contribute unless it is a QB, knowone gets a free ride, but Evans isn't anymore a superstar than Moulds was, and like I said he held down some return duty.

[Charlieguide]

Is it getting hostile around here, or is it just me? :couch:

You guys are allowed to have differing opinions . . . it's why we're all here. But wild speculation is not worth getting ticked off.

[juice]

Originally posted by Charlieguide
Is it getting hostile around here, or is it just me? :couch:



It's just you Charles.. Speculation is the reason we post here.. No hard feelings here, just a little spirited debate, It keeps the board live for us Nighthawks.

[G. Host]

Originally posted by Mikey82
I agree. He looks like he is getting better during practice and the ST coach really seems to love him.

My question is why Rusty did not try to work with him so he could have a little more strength. I think Moorman (who was a top hurdler so he is not exactly slow) could do a better job than him and is sturdier.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by G. Host
My question is why Rusty did not try to work with him so he could have a little more strength. I think Moorman (who was a top hurdler so he is not exactly slow) could do a better job than him and is sturdier.

I'm pretty sure all players have a workout schedule and are required to atend it.

[G. Host]

Originally posted by The Spaz
I'm pretty sure all players have a workout schedule and are required to atend it.

Require no, encouraged yes. Like NFL referees being a NFL is a part time job at least according to NFLPA union.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by G. Host
Require no, encouraged yes. Like NFL referees being a NFL is a part time job at least according to NFLPA union.

This isn't mini camp or voluntar this is training camp and pretty near the regular season. If he didn't workout I'm sure he would be fined or be cut by now.

[The Spaz]

If it was voluntary then was Mike Williams fined?

[G. Host]

Originally posted by The Spaz
If it was voluntary then was Mike Williams fined?

Voluntary mini-camps. Mike Williams was fined in training camp after preseason started. Williams could not be fined for missing the mini-camps unless his contract had incentive bonuses tied to it.