Buffalo Bills Hall of Shame

[OpIv37]

The Rob Johnson thread spurred this idea- who are the worst players/coaches in Bills history and why?

I'll start with the obvious ones-
Rob Johnson- $25 Million for 3 good games and a 2-14 season
Gregg Williams/Kevin Gilbride- I'm sure this needs no further explanation.

Who else?

[Romes]

Chris Watson - Our favorite punt catcher.

[SABURZFAN]

tom cousineau


nuf said :mad:

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by Romes
Chris Watson - Our favorite punt catcher. good choice- his coverage skills were also top-notch




Originally posted by SABURZFAN
tom cousineau


nuf said :mad:
Care to elaborate? I think I'm too young to remember this one....

[Crisis]

Originally posted by Romes
Chris Watson - Our favorite punt catcher.

To be fair, before the year he really sucked it up, he was a pretty good special teams player (coverage, not return)...and he was an ok nickel back. Then he nosedived the next season.

[Crisis]

I'd like to add Todd Collins though.

[THATHURMANATOR]

KELSO!!!!

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

The 1980-1985 Buffalo Bills

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by OpIv37
The Rob Johnson thread spurred this idea- who are the worst players/coaches in Bills history and why?

I'll start with the obvious ones-
Rob Johnson- $25 Million for 3 good games and a 2-14 season
Gregg Williams/Kevin Gilbride- I'm sure this needs no further explanation.

Who else?


Originally posted by OpIv37
good choice- his coverage skills were also top-notch




Care to elaborate? I think I'm too young to remember this one....

I was going to say...this will be interesting based on the age of the poster.


try almost any player on the 1968, 1971 and 1984/5 Bills.

[tomdonahoe]

I never liked Ken Irvin. It may be early but Pucillo may have Hall of Shame written all over him.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Pucillo is well on his way.

[Jan Reimers]

Richie Lucas, first round pick, 1960
Walt Patulski, first round pick, 1972
Al Cowlings, second round pick, 1970(?)
Billy Joe Hobert, useless jerk

To name just a few of my all time "favorites."

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers

Billy Joe Hobert, useless jerk


I forgot about this guy- taking up way more space on the bench than should ever be allocated to a QB. He was pretty damn useless.

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
Al Cowlings, second round pick, 1970(?)

He was drafted back then because he was OJs buddy.

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by tomdonahoe
I never liked Ken Irvin.

Not as bad as Watson but I do remember him giving up a critical touchdown or two.

[Crisis]

Erik Flowers

[helmetguy]

J.D. Williams-CB, Frsno St. 1st round pick, 1990

[Mr. Miyagi]

Thurman Thomas - 2000 - traitor.

[ZacGriffi~82]

Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
Thurman Thomas - 2000 - traitor.

Fug no.

[NC-BILLS44]

Joe Panos

[carybillsfan]

Jeff Burris

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by Ebenezer
He was drafted back then because he was OJs buddy.

Yeah, I know. That - and not the fact he stunk - is why he's in my Hall of Sham (e intentionally eliminated.)

[MustWin]

cant believe no one has mentioned Norwood.

ok I will

Scott Norwood

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by Crisis
Erik Flowers

The entire 2000 draft.

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by MustWin
cant believe no one has mentioned Norwood.

ok I will

Scott Norwood

Norwood won many many more games than he ever lost.

[MustWin]

Originally posted by Ebenezer
Norwood won many many more games than he ever lost.

But he lost the superbowl

[NC-BILLS44]

Bucky Brooks
Lonnie Johnson
Gabe Northern

All second rounders that did nothing.

[carybillsfan]

I got another: That dumba$$ Billy Joe Hobert --- "I didn't even read the playbook." Hey Billy Joe, Todd Collins sucks did really think you were never gonna get in a game!!

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by carybillsfan
Jeff Burris

Why Burris? I remember him playing well- in fact I saw him get an INT in a game against the Seahawks back in the day.

[carybillsfan]

Originally posted by OpIv37
Why Burris? I remember him playing well- in fact I saw him get an INT in a game against the Seahawks back in the day.

He was terrible, a couple ints here and there but if the took him deep and they did often he ran like he had cement shoes on. He then left to sign $5mil/yr deal only to be cut after 1 season.

[I'M A BELIEVER]

Yep....Erik Flowers probably the worst of them all.
Bucky Brooks, Robert Hicks, Joe Panos, Jerry Ostroski, Jonathan Linton, Kamil Loud, Matt Stevens, Dan Brandenburg, Sean Woodson, Jamie Nails, Antowain Smith (!), Sheldon Jackson, Bryce Fischer, Kendrick Office, Corey Moore, Travares (Sp?) Tillman, Avion Black, Leif Larson, Derrick Holmes....

AND....who was that speedy white WR we drafted in the nineties sometime........

[thefixer74]

Originally posted by I'M A BELIEVER
Yep....Erik Flowers probably the worst of them all.
Bucky Brooks, Robert Hicks, Joe Panos, Jerry Ostroski, Jonathan Linton, Kamil Loud, Matt Stevens, Dan Brandenburg, Sean Woodson, Jamie Nails, Antowain Smith (!), Sheldon Jackson, Bryce Fischer, Kendrick Office, Corey Moore, Travares (Sp?) Tillman, Avion Black, Leif Larson, Derrick Holmes....

AND....who was that speedy white WR we drafted in the nineties sometime........ Don Bebee?


I was going to add Leif Larson(beat me to it),and Gary Anderson

[Historian]

Reuben Gant!

[Earthquake Enyart]

Fina

Todd Collins

Ruud and Nelson

[I'M A BELIEVER]

Not Beebe....whoever this guy was he was not too successful...a small flash in the pan....seems like he was from TCU or something like that....

[The Spaz]

2000 draft class was horrible Butler had to know he was on the outs.:mad: :pow:

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by I'M A BELIEVER
Not Beebe....whoever this guy was he was not too successful...a small flash in the pan....seems like he was from TCU or something like that....


Justin Armour?

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by I'M A BELIEVER
Yep....Erik Flowers probably the worst of them all.
Bucky Brooks, Robert Hicks, Joe Panos, Jerry Ostroski, Jonathan Linton, Kamil Loud, Matt Stevens, Dan Brandenburg, Sean Woodson, Jamie Nails, Antowain Smith (!), Sheldon Jackson, Bryce Fischer, Kendrick Office, Corey Moore, Travares (Sp?) Tillman, Avion Black, Leif Larson, Derrick Holmes....



Wow- that was only 4 years ago and I don't think any of those guys are still playing (other than Smith and Nails).

Antonio Brown may be on his way as well- plays great in pre-season then can't do a damn thing when it counts.

[Bulldog]

Isn't Bryce Fischer still playing? I thought I saw him in some pre-season action starting for someone. Raiders?

[I'M A BELIEVER]

Yeah Bryce Fisher is playing, I think for one of the teams that was the first preseason monday night game....maybe ther Rams?

That list of names covered a lot of years.....but I think most are out of the league now. Robert Hicks is with the Raiders now...and is actually the primary backup at RT...

[OpIv37]

Originally posted by I'M A BELIEVER
Yeah Bryce Fisher is playing, I think for one of the teams that was the first preseason monday night game....maybe ther Rams?

That list of names covered a lot of years.....but I think most are out of the league now. Robert Hicks is with the Raiders now...and is actually the primary backup at RT...

I misread it- I thought you were still talking about the 2000 draft. A full day of work has rendered my brain useless- sorry.

[I'M A BELIEVER]

Originally posted by OpIv37
Justin Armour?

F yeah!

What ever happened to that guy?

[casdhf]

Fisher, Flowers and Sean Moran are all vying for a starting DE sport with STL

[Philagape]

Walt Patulski, the No. 1 pick of the 72 draft

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by MustWin
But he lost the superbowl

No...bad tackling was the primary reason we lost that.
Originally posted by tomdonahoe
I never liked Ken Irvin. Kenny was decent until he got switched over to RCB...it all went downhill from there

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by casdhf
Fisher, Flowers and Sean Moran are all vying for a starting DE sport with STL

That isn't saying much concidering Winstom left and Leonard Little is having some kind of personal problems so he isn't playing this year.

[casdhf]

Originally posted by The Spaz
That isn't saying much concidering Winstom left and Leonard Little is having some kind of personal problems so he isn't playing this year.

Still...a little ironic seeing how we drafted all 3 of them.

[saviorbledsoe]

Definintly

OJ ....he killed his wife
Rob Johnson ....the glass tiger
Billy Joe Hobert ....admitted to not looking at the playbook
Wade Phillips in 99....for pulling Flutie for RJ
Chris Watson....fumble the PR and KR...then hold and get a pass intereferance....totally usless.

[Luisito23]

MIKE WILLIAMS!!!

[chubluv]

Hank Bullough- coach

Almost every player on the 84-85 teams..

[HenryRules]

Has anyone said Harvey Johnson ... 1 win every couple of years.

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by OpIv37
Care to elaborate? I think I'm too young to remember this one....

we had the #1 pick overall in 1979 and we drafted cousineau,a LB out of Ohio St.he ended up going to the CFL.

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by MustWin
But he lost the superbowl

We lost the Super Bowl long before Norwood was asked to make a 47 yarder on grass, in the rain. Levy got out coached by the Tuna, and we got outplayed.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by HenryRules
Has anyone said Harvey Johnson ... 1 win every couple of years.

I'll cut Harvey a small amount of slack- he was never a coach by trade- he was the team's head scout and twice took over as coach after late rwsignations. HC Joe Collier quit 2 games into the 1969 season, and Johnny Raush quit in the preseason in 1971

My vote goes to Rausch- he used the greatest player in the game in 1970 as a decoy- OJ Simpson.

[BigZ]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
tom cousineau


nuf said :mad:

Definitely!!!!

[BigZ]

Originally posted by Philagape
Walt Patulski, the No. 1 pick of the 72 draft


Yes. He's definitely a charter member.

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by Dozerdog

My vote goes to Rausch- he used the greatest player in the game in 1970 as a decoy- OJ Simpson.

I agree. Other than Gregg Williams, he is the only coach in Bills history that I really despise.

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by SABURZFAN
we had the #1 pick overall in 1979 and we drafted cousineau,a LB out of Ohio St.he ended up going to the CFL.

The one positive about Cousineau was that when he came back from the CFL, we still held his rights...until we traded him to Cleveland for the 14th overall pick in the 1983 Draft. I think the guy we got out of that turned out decent. :scratch: ;)

[Historian]

Originally posted by The_Philster
The one positive about Cousineau was that when he came back from the CFL, we still held his rights...until we traded him to Cleveland for the 14th overall pick in the 1983 Draft. I think the guy we got out of that turned out decent. :scratch: ;)

We actually signed him. Houston made him an outlandish offer (peanuts by today's standards!) which the Bills had to match in order to get anything for him. So we matched the offer, signed him, and then traded him to Cleveland.

It was a tough time to be a Bills fan.

[Billsouth]

lets see, who has not been mentioned:

travares tillman
ryan denney (on his way)
mike williams
todd collins
gregg the *** williams first offensive coordinator
gregg the *** williams entire staff except krumrie and gray
oj simpson (because he is a mass murderer)
al cowlings (because he sucked and drove the mass murderer)
eddie robinson (because he lost his jock to chad pennington)
chiti ahanatou (because he kept his hair like ricky williams)

[Billsouth]

kay stephenson

[Billsouth]

paul mcguire!! Just kidding

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by Billsouth
kay stephenson

Hey, as a guy with a girl's first name, I resemble that remark.

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by The Spaz
2000 draft class was horrible Butler had to know he was on the outs.:mad: :pow:

i still think he tanked that draft. :mad:

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
Hey, as a guy with a girl's first name, I resemble that remark.

i wouldn't have minded jan stenerud(sp?) as our kicker when he was in his prime.

[capitolneal]

Tony Hunter, (picked before kelly) william booker 1st rd pick from auburn... speedy neal rb out of miami 3rd round

[SABURZFAN]

Originally posted by capitolneal
Tony Hunter, (picked before kelly) william booker 1st rd pick from auburn... speedy neal rb out of miami 3rd round

neal was a FB,but you're right,a 3rd rounder for a FB is too high.

[John Doe]

The first inductee to the hall of shame should be....

Ronnie Harmon

[Billsouth]

ALL VERY GOOD SELECTIONS!!

i forgot about tony Bunter and Ronnie "crisco hands" harmon


What about current bills?

here r possilbe choices although i am NOT endorsing anyones candidacy so juice keep it in ur pants (or panties if appropriate)

fats williams
pukecillo
grand slam at denneys
coy need to be more wired on defense
josh if only i was jake reed
nate cornroll clements
ryan lindell computers have better performance than me
trey teagggggggooooooddddd i cannot snap the ball
drew bledso who missed their block on this sack
mike mularkey.... this whole list better be a bunch of bologna


hoooooooooooyyyy...... i'll be here all week

chris rock

[Billsouth]

oh yeahhhhhhh!!!!

i almost forgot.... back by popular demand......

kevin i almost got kilbirde Buddy ryan (on the sidelines no less)


BONUS TRACK:


Gregg not ricky williams should be the one retired smoking dope