According to Stats, Inc...

[Michael82]

Out of Drew Bledsoe's 50 pass attempts, he's made 30 completions and had 7 Drops by his receivers. Of the remaining incompletions, 7 were bad throws, 3 were defensed, 1 was hit at the line, 1 was unclassified, the last one was intercepted. Now, if Bledsoe's 7 drops were caught...that would be 37/50 for a a 74% completion rate. It makes it more interesting when you look at the whole story...doesn't it? :;

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=2359



(Thank you to MadBuffaloDisease from TBD for the link)

[SABURZFAN]

how many bad throws were caught?

[Michael82]

Out of Drew Bledsoe's 50 pass attempts, he's made 30 completions and had 7 Drops by his receivers. Of the remaining incompletions, 7 were bad throws, 3 were defensed, 1 was hit at the line, 1 was unclassified, the last one was intercepted. Now, if Bledsoe's 7 drops were caught...that would be 37/50 for a a 74% completion rate. It makes it more interesting when you look at the whole story...doesn't it? :;

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=2359



(Thank you to MadBuffaloDisease from TBD for the link)
According to this site....Eric Moulds dropped 2 and Josh Reed dropped 2.

[Michael82]

how many bad throws were caught?
What do you mean? That's besides the point. Those 7 bad throws were not caught. 7 passes were good throws but were dropped. 3 were defended nicely or knocked down.

[Earthquake Enyart]

According to the paper the other day, Drew is 7th in the AFC in passer rating.

[BAM]

Drew did not lose our two games this year. And I did not need this statistic to tell me that.


Last year is another story though. :D

[im4bflo]

Drew says he's our quarterback, and everyone knows it, so...
GO DREW! There is no other option!
Those dropped balls did hurt, but he still needs to get rid of it sooner.
Keep on ROCKIN' Drew!
"you can get it done, what's more, you've got to get it done" LS
GO BILLS!!! :bow:

[Michael82]

This is pretty cool....check out the whole team's stats here....

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/teams.asp?team=02&Submit=Go

[Michael82]

Drew did not lose our two games this year. And I did not need this statistic to tell me that.


Last year is another story though. :D
Thank you, BAM! :up:

[Michael82]

According to the paper the other day, Drew is 7th in the AFC in passer rating.
Damn, you are right...that's very interesting....

1 Chad Pennington NYJ 482 56 42 4 0 48 124.3
2 Peyton Manning IND 510 62 40 4 1 64 104.9
3 Tom Brady NE 552 64 41 5 3 29 97.9
4 David Carr HOU 542 59 42 2 3 54 89.8
5 Rich Gannon OAK 514 64 39 3 2 58 88.9
6 Drew Brees SD 355 43 25 3 2 59 88.8
7 Drew Bledsoe BUF 351 50 30 2 1 65 86.3

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/AFC/PRAT/2004/regular

[Philagape]

Like I said on another thread, everybody who says Drew's washed up seems to forget that he played pretty well against the Jags. He wasn't washed up then.
It's going to take a few more games -- in this offense, with everyone healthy -- before I'm convinced either way.

[LtBillsFan66]

Gotta try to minimize those unclassified passes...

[OpIv37]

Also don't forget Drew's one interception in the two games hit Travis Henry in the hands. The pass was probably a little high, but a Pro Bowl running back should still be able to make the play.

[Michael82]

Also don't forget Drew's one interception in the two games hit Travis Henry in the hands. The pass was probably a little high, but a Pro Bowl running back should still be able to make the play.
EXACTLY! So if you look at this statistically...Drew Bledsoe really hasn't been that bad and if one or two of thoses drops were catched or if the Refs didn't have their heads up their asses...the Bills could easily be 2-0 and people wouldn't be standing on ledges ready to jump already....

[OpIv37]

EXACTLY! So if you look at this statistically...Drew Bledsoe really hasn't been that bad and if one or two of thoses drops were catched or if the Refs didn't have their heads up their asses...the Bills could easily be 2-0 and people wouldn't be standing on ledges ready to jump already....

no, but we'd still be *****ing about how poorly the offense played and how the winning record will never hold up. We wouldn't be Bills fans if we didn't.

[justasportsfan]

Like I said on another thread, everybody who says Drew's washed up seems to forget that he played pretty well against the Jags. He wasn't washed up then.
It's going to take a few more games -- in this offense, with everyone healthy -- before I'm convinced either way.
He was average. Dilfer like, caretaker. If you consider that as playing well then your standards are not that high.

[Hemlepp53]

Drew did not lose our two games this year. And I did not need this statistic to tell me that.


Last year is another story though. :D

Agreed BAM.. It was overall poor ball playing on both sides of the Ball.... Mistakes.. Injuries... and So on havent helped our start...

[finsrclowns]

Only 7 bad throws in 2 games? That's not bad. As far as being Dilferlike, that I really don't get. I thought that's what we wanted him to be, get rid of it quicker, shorter passes yada yada. If not, throw that at the feet of the coaches- they call the plays and under this new offense he's supposed to throw it whenever possible where the play calls for it to go. Personally I think this offense has to be run heavy to win because the line is weak.

The only issue that isn't addressed by those stats is sacks. It's still the biggest problem he has. The first game it wasn't and we really had that game won. The second game it was a big problem and we lost, albeit with some help from the zebras. I think you'll see Bledsoe play well and the team win games that the line protects him and play poorly and lose when they don't.

[justasportsfan]

Only 7 bad throws in 2 games? That's not bad. As far as being Dilferlike, that I really don't get. I thought that's what we wanted him to be, get rid of it quicker, shorter passes yada yada. If not, throw that at the feet of the coaches- they call the plays and under this new offense he's supposed to throw it whenever possible where the play calls for it to go. Personally I think this offense has to be run heavy to win because the line is weak.

The only issue that isn't addressed by those stats is sacks. It's still the biggest problem he has. The first game it wasn't and we really had that game won. The second game it was a big problem and we lost, albeit with some help from the zebras. I think you'll see Bledsoe play well and the team win games that the line protects him and play poorly and lose when they don't.YUp, Dilferlike w/ an arm that could hurt them w/ the long ball every now and then. If he doesn't even have that arm, then we might as well hire Dilfer himself.

[Philagape]

He was average. Dilfer like, caretaker. If you consider that as playing well then your standards are not that high.

My standards are:
Scoring -- One TD pass, and there were plenty of other problems that stopped the offense.
Low turnovers -- Drew had none
Minimal sacks -- one
Efficiency -- 65 percent.

Drew did his part against the Jags, and he more than met my standards.

[Typ0]

I don't think Drew is washed up...and a lot of things about this offense are great for him...but our OL can't pass protect and that kills such a great opportunity to take advantage of his arm...so he's in trouble in this system. I hope I'm wrong.

[HenryRules]

I'm somewhat curious to know what the drops numbers/etc. are for other QB's (not really interested enough to check it out for all of them though). I took a look at Jeff Garcia (I thought he'd do better this year and was wondering why). He's also had 6 drops this season. Maybe every QB has about 5-8 drops?

It's hard to say if his completion % including drops as completions is good when we don't do the same for all the other QB's.

[Michael82]

I'm somewhat curious to know what the drops numbers/etc. are for other QB's (not really interested enough to check it out for all of them though). I took a look at Jeff Garcia (I thought he'd do better this year and was wondering why). He's also had 6 drops this season. Maybe every QB has about 5-8 drops?

It's hard to say if his completion % including drops as completions is good when we don't do the same for all the other QB's.
Holy ****, Tom Brady has only had 1 drop, but 9 poor throws, plus 3 ints. :snicker:
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5228&Submit=Go

AJ Feeley has also had 1 drop, but 7 poor throws and 3 int.
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5603

Chad Pennington had 4 drops and 6 poor throws. http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5047

Jake Delhomme had 3 drops and 12 poor throws.
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4555&Submit=Go

Mark Brunell had 4 drops and 5 poor throws.
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=2485&Submit=Go

Trent Green had 6 dropped passes and 8 poor throws.
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=2547&Submit=Go

Matt Hasselbeck had 3 drops, 8 poor throws, and 2 interceptions.
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4416&Submit=Go

[Billsouth]

do they keep stats on how many times he has held the ball too long and gotten sacked for a 10 yard loss?

[Michael82]

do they keep stats on how many times he has held the ball too long and gotten sacked for a 10 yard loss?
He's only had 8 sacks in 2 games. 7 of them came in 1 game and only about 1/2 of them were his fault. As far as I'm concerned...after reading more into this and reading his passer rating...Bledsoe is 14th for a passer rating. There is no way in hell you can blame these two losses on Drew Bledsoe. He does deserve some of the blame, but nothing like the blame you people are giving him.

[Turf]

All QB's rated here have had receivers drop balls as well. So it's factored in if you think about it, and boosting his rating minus drops isn't necessarily correct.
The fact that he is 7th overall can only be soley because he's only had 1 INT.
The team is still incredibly boring. Everytime I watch this offense to me it seems like they're running in mud. There is no jump to this offense. All Drew's fault? Absolutely not, but he's a main cog in the machine.

[Michael82]

Oh BTW...it was 8 sacks for a loss of 52 yards.

[Michael82]

All QB's rated here have had receivers drop balls as well. So it's factored in if you think about it, and boosting his rating minus drops isn't necessarily correct.
The fact that he is 7th overall can only be soley because he's only had 1 INT.
The team is still incredibly boring. Everytime I watch this offense to me it seems like they're running in mud. There is no jump to this offense. All Drew's fault? Absolutely not, but he's a main cog in the machine.
But it's also the offense. We are purposely trying to do the dink and dunk, ground control offense. The problem is, that's not his strength and it is pretty boring. If we want this to change, we lose the ground control that everybody wanted. I hope we start to go deep more often now, to open up the offense and maybe go to a 4 wide set. :up:

[Turf]

That's why I always loved Gibbs way of doing it. Run Run run, then throw deep. After that everything's open.

[Michael82]

That's why I always loved Gibbs way of doing it. Run Run run, then throw deep. After that everything's open.
I like that too and would like to start seeing more of that. If we truly are a smash mouth team...the short passes on 1st down will stop and we'll run on 1st down, and keep running and mix in a long bomb or two.

[Tatonka]

how many bad throws were caught?

i was JUST thinking the same thing!

[justasportsfan]

My standards are:
Scoring -- One TD pass, and there were plenty of other problems that stopped the offense.
Low turnovers -- Drew had none
Minimal sacks -- one
Efficiency -- 65 percent.

Drew did his part against the Jags, and he more than met my standards.
I agree to a certain extent.

He is still a decent qb. Not to be mistaken as an elite qb anymore. If you expect him to be, you're setting yourself up for a disappointment. The problems at OL is what makes him less than a decent qb. Once again decent but no longer elite.

He will have flashes of what he once was an elite passer every now and then but not as a complete qb that can singlehandedly beat you or carry a team on his shoulder.

A one dimensional qb that if he's wr's are covered, there is nothing else he can do. He's dependent on an OL giving him time and without that time, he's helpless. He doesn't have the quick release of Dan Marino that didn't need a lot of time to get the pass out. He doesn't have the ability to do anything when flashed out of the pocket either by running or throwing on the run.

This is why we need our running game.

[finsrclowns]

According to this site....Eric Moulds dropped 2 and Josh Reed dropped 2.

Yeah and Reed's only caught 4. 50% drop rate? :eek2:

[Michael82]

Yeah and Reed's only caught 4. 50% drop rate? :eek2:
:eek:

[HenryRules]

Yeah and Reed's only caught 4. 50% drop rate? :eek2:


33% drop rate ... 2 out of 6. Still not good.

[finsrclowns]

33% drop rate ... 2 out of 6. Still not good.

Maybe "drop rate" is the wrong term. But he has dropped 50% as many passes as he's caught, which is what I meant to say. :peace:

[Mr. Cynical]

how many bad throws were caught?Bingo. :up: In the Oakland game alone I counted at least 5 bad throws that were caaught. And these where when he had time.

Looking at his other two years....

2003:
48.7% bad throws
9.6% drops

2002:
42.6% bad throws
11.5% drops

Seems to me he has been sucking pretty much ever since he got here if you want to go by this particular set of stats. :idunno:

Incomplete Pass Information 2003

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#e7e7e7 border=0><TBODY><TR align=right bgColor=#cccccc><TD class=text11B align=left width="35%">Type</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="15%">Number</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="25%">Pct of Incomp</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="25%">Pct of Overall Attempts</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Dropped</TD><TD class=text11>19</TD><TD class=text11>9.6</TD><TD class=text11>4.0</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Poor Throw</TD><TD class=text11>96</TD><TD class=text11>48.7</TD><TD class=text11>20.4</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Defensed</TD><TD class=text11>42</TD><TD class=text11>21.3</TD><TD class=text11>8.9</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Hit at Line</TD><TD class=text11>8</TD><TD class=text11>4.1</TD><TD class=text11>1.7</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Other</TD><TD class=text11>20</TD><TD class=text11>10.2</TD><TD class=text11>4.2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Intercepted</TD><TD class=text11>12</TD><TD class=text11>6.1</TD><TD class=text11>2.5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Incomplete Pass Information 2002
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#e7e7e7 border=0><TBODY><TR align=right bgColor=#cccccc><TD class=text11B align=left width="35%">Type</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="15%">Number</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="25%">Pct of Incomp</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="25%">Pct of Overall Attempts</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Dropped</TD><TD class=text11>27</TD><TD class=text11>11.5</TD><TD class=text11>4.4</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Poor Throw</TD><TD class=text11>100</TD><TD class=text11>42.6</TD><TD class=text11>16.4</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Defensed</TD><TD class=text11>53</TD><TD class=text11>22.6</TD><TD class=text11>8.7</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Hit at Line</TD><TD class=text11>6</TD><TD class=text11>2.6</TD><TD class=text11>1.0</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Other</TD><TD class=text11>34</TD><TD class=text11>14.5</TD><TD class=text11>5.6</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Intercepted</TD><TD class=text11>15</TD><TD class=text11>6.4</TD><TD class=text11>2.5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[colin]

Bingo. :up: In the Oakland game alone I counted at least 5 bad throws that were caaught. And these where when he had time.

Looking at his other two years....

2003:
48.7% bad throws
9.6% drops

2002:
42.6% bad throws
11.5% drops

Seems to me he has been sucking pretty much ever since he got here if you want to go by this particular set of stats. :idunno:

Incomplete Pass Information 2003

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#e7e7e7 border=0><TBODY><TR align=right bgColor=#cccccc><TD class=text11B align=left width="35%">Type</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="15%">Number</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="25%">Pct of Incomp</TD><TD class=text11B align=left width="25%">Pct of Overall Attempts</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Dropped</TD><TD class=text11>19</TD><TD class=text11>9.6</TD><TD class=text11>4.0</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Poor Throw</TD><TD class=text11>96</TD><TD class=text11>48.7</TD><TD class=text11>20.4</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Defensed</TD><TD class=text11>42</TD><TD class=text11>21.3</TD><TD class=text11>8.9</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Pass Hit at Line</TD><TD class=text11>8</TD><TD class=text11>4.1</TD><TD class=text11>1.7</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Other</TD><TD class=text11>20</TD><TD class=text11>10.2</TD><TD class=text11>4.2</TD></TR><TR bgColor=white><TD class=text11>Intercepted</TD><TD class=text11>12</TD><TD class=text11>6.1</TD><TD class=text11>2.5</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Incomplete Pass Information 2002
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did you even check similar stats for other QBs?

these are pretty much in line with many other QBs, and some of the better ones.

[elltrain22]

His completion pert. should be very high considering he never throws a pass farther than 10 yds. Drew is at his best throwing verticallly down field. 20, 30 yd plays, not these little nickel and dime plays that never get us the first down.

[Mr. Cynical]

did you even check similar stats for other QBs?

these are pretty much in line with many other QBs, and some of the better ones.
Whatever. He sucks, everyone outside of the Ostriches knows he sucks, and he will thankfully be just another bad memory after the year is mercifully over.

[socalfan]

Bingo. :up: In the Oakland game alone I counted at least 5 bad throws that were caaught. And these where when he had time.



Ah, a poor/bad thow is defined as a throw that is not catchable. If it were caught it wouldn't be a poor/bad throw. You guys are comedians. Give it a rest, it's an by-week.

[Mr. Cynical]

Ah, a poor/bad thow is defined as a throw that is not catchable. If it were caught it wouldn't be a poor/bad throw. You guys are comedians. Give it a rest, it's an by-week.I disagree 100%. If a QB has the time and he throws a pass that is behind his target, at his feet or over his head when there is no reason to do so (meaning it wasn't on purpose to avoid an INT), then that is a bad throw. That's fine once in awhile....it's also fine when the QB is about to get sacked...but not when he has the time to step in and deliver.

[BAM]

As long as they caught it, it's a good enough throw for me, Cyn. :up:

... unless they get their head taken off on the play or injured or something. :D

[Mr. Cynical]

As long as they caught it, it's a good enough throw for me, Cyn. :up:

... unless they get their head taken off on the play or injured or something. :DI hear ya. :;

But as you mentioned, one aspect of a "bad throw being caught" is injury. Another is "lost opportunity", meaning if the receiver has to stop or catch balls at weird angles their YAC is going to really suffer which really kills drives. Also receivers will lose confidence when running their routes if they are thinking "Here we go. I bet I have to get a stepladder for this next one". Last but not least, we're paying him a boatload of money and throwing "catchable bad passes" could be done for a helluva lot less.

[socalfan]

I disagree 100%. If a QB has the time and he throws a pass that is behind his target, at his feet or over his head when there is no reason to do so (meaning it wasn't on purpose to avoid an INT), then that is a bad throw. That's fine once in awhile....it's also fine when the QB is about to get sacked...but not when he has the time to step in and deliver.

What are you talking about?

Both you and Mike82 have quoted statistics. In your quotes you point out that bad/poor passes are counted as incompletions. Now you disagree with yourself 100%. What's up with that?

[helmetguy]

If I understand this correctly, according to STATS. Inc., bad throws are ALWAYS incompletions. I didn't know that style points were awarded or deducted from completed passes.

[TigerJ]

The Bills offence was very vanilla except for a few trick plays. Until the desperation pass to Lee Evans (that found him wide open and was caught) the Bills tried virtually nothing downfield. I don't blame Drew for that, but such a high percentage game should result in, well, a high percentage of completions. I don't think Mularkey is ever going to morph this team into the K-gun team of the early nineties, but I think he will want to get a few more downfield passes into the game. It will be interesting to see how Drew fares then.

The other thing that has to be strongly considered is Drew's seven sacks in the Oakland game. Some were Drew's fault. Some were the fault of the line. Some seemed to be the result of a game plan that looked far less prepared for a blitzing opponent than it should have been. Drew doesn't get a free pass on all this but clearly there was more stuff wrong than just Drew.

[Mr. Cynical]

What are you talking about?

Both you and Mike82 have quoted statistics. In your quotes you point out that bad/poor passes are counted as incompletions. Now you disagree with yourself 100%. What's up with that?
:huh: You completely lost me on this one. I said Drew throws alot of bad passes even when his receivers manage to catch them. How am I disagreeing with myself?

[Mr. Cynical]

If I understand this correctly, according to STATS. Inc., bad throws are ALWAYS incompletions. I didn't know that style points were awarded or deducted from completed passes.It's not about style points...


The receiver gets killed because Drew threw him a meatball
The receiver had to stop, bend down and catch it off his shoelaces and thus didn't get any YAC because of that.
The receiver had to jump way up to grab the ball over his head, thus either getting killed or tackled immediately without any YAC.
The receiver had to slow way down to catch the pass which gave the DB time to close and tackle, thus no YAC.
The receiver had to catch the ball at a weird angle so that his focus get diverted for a split second, thus putting him at risk or not allowing him to make a good play.
Given the above, the receiver loses confidence in Drew's ability to make good passes and it effects his route running, thus making him less likely to get open.

[finsrclowns]

It's not about style points...


The receiver gets killed because Drew threw him a meatball
The receiver had to stop, bend down and catch it off his shoelaces and thus didn't get any YAC because of that.
The receiver had to jump way up to grab the ball over his head, thus either getting killed or tackled immediately without any YAC.
The receiver had to slow way down to catch the pass which gave the DB time to close and tackle, thus no YAC.
The receiver had to catch the ball at a weird angle so that his focus get diverted for a split second, thus putting him at risk or not allowing him to make a good play.
Given the above, the receiver loses confidence in Drew's ability to make good passes and it effects his route running, thus making him less likely to get open.


Look you're more than entitled to your opinion- I think we get it, Bledsoe totally stinks. But this is over the top IMO. You can't make your own spin on stats that are the same basis for every player- or is Bledsoe the only QB that has completions that are not perfect throws? The truth is our receivers drop more than an average rate of balls. Are you saying that despite that they catch an above average amount of bad throws? I truly doubt that and in any case it's beyond the scope of this thread. When Stats Inc starts tracking "balls that were caught but should have been bigger gainers" we can revisit this.

[NapalmDeath]

Look you're more than entitled to your opinion- I think we get it, Bledsoe totally stinks. But this is over the top IMO. You can't make your own spin on stats that are the same basis for every player- or is Bledsoe the only QB that has completions that are not perfect throws? The truth is our receivers drop more than an average rate of balls. Are you saying that despite that they catch an above average amount of bad throws? I truly doubt that and in any case it's beyond the scope of this thread. When Stats Inc starts tracking "balls that were caught but should have been bigger gainers" we can revisit this.


Nice Post!

[socalfan]

Look you're more than entitled to your opinion- I think we get it, Bledsoe totally stinks. But this is over the top IMO. You can't make your own spin on stats that are the same basis for every player- or is Bledsoe the only QB that has completions that are not perfect throws? The truth is our receivers drop more than an average rate of balls. Are you saying that despite that they catch an above average amount of bad throws? I truly doubt that and in any case it's beyond the scope of this thread. When Stats Inc starts tracking "balls that were caught but should have been bigger gainers" we can revisit this.


Thanks...I gave up trying to explain it to him.

[bledslow]

those numbers are a bunch of BS.brady had 2 drops alone in his first drive of his arizona game(grahm,david.p). those are not accurate at all. -can a bad throw still be counted as a bad throw if its caught? drew has been bailed out more then a few times this year. are they counting the balls that drew thrown on short routes that were thrown at 150 mph to a open receiver? those were drews fault for throwing the ball at insane mph on very open short routes making it impossible to catch-those are drews boneheaded faults,not drops.

do they have a fortunate category? do the say how fortunate drews td was in the first game because it was a wide open td from a broken play?? and did they point out fortunate drew was on his other td pass to moulds when he caught it on a deflection?? lets be honest,drew should have zero td passes right now.

[Mr. Cynical]

Look you're more than entitled to your opinion- I think we get it, Bledsoe totally stinks. But this is over the top IMO. You can't make your own spin on stats that are the same basis for every player- or is Bledsoe the only QB that has completions that are not perfect throws? The truth is our receivers drop more than an average rate of balls. Are you saying that despite that they catch an above average amount of bad throws? I truly doubt that and in any case it's beyond the scope of this thread. When Stats Inc starts tracking "balls that were caught but should have been bigger gainers" we can revisit this.First you need to re-read both my posts (just like socal) to get the fact that they make two distinctly different points.

Point #1: Mikey posted the stats first, not me. He was the one who first used them as a basis for his argument that Drew "would have had better stats" had the dropped balls been caught. I showed...using HIS stats...that his trend of "bad throws" (as defined by his choice of stats source) has been Drew's SOP since he has been here.

Point #2: You are right - they don't track "crap throws that were caught". According to you I made my own spin on those stats. How could I? There are no stats to spin on this. What I said was the same thing Saburzfan and Tatonka were thinking....how many of the completed passes were crap throws? Well, I personally watched him throw at least 5 in the last game and around the same in the Jax game. And these were when he had time, so there is NO excuse.

And finally, my list of problems with catching bad balls is completely legitimate.

[Mr. Cynical]

those numbers are a bunch of BS.brady had 2 drops alone in his first drive of his arizona game(grahm,david.p). those are not accurate at all. -can a bad throw still be counted as a bad throw if its caught? drew has been bailed out more then a few times this year. are they counting the balls that drew thrown on short routes that were thrown at 150 mph to a open receiver? those were drews fault for throwing the ball at insane mph on very open short routes making it impossible to catch-those are drews boneheaded faults,not drops.

do they have a fortunate category? do the say how fortunate drews td was in the first game because it was a wide open td from a broken play?? and did they point out fortunate drew was on his other td pass to moulds when he caught it on a deflection?? lets be honest,drew should have zero td passes right now.
:bf1:

[Dozerdog]

Now we are crossing into Wys territory-

It's Bledsoe's fault that Campbell or Reed drops balls that hit 'em in the numbers.....or they fumble 5 yards downfield after the catch....

[Mr. Cynical]

Now we are crossing into Wys territory-

It's Bledsoe's fault that Campbell or Reed drops balls that hit 'em in the numbers.....or they fumble 5 yards downfield after the catch....
Quote me where I said that. (if you were talking to me that is....)

[Dozerdog]

Quote me where I said that. (if you were talking to me that is....)


I'm not quoting you- we have buttons to do that. I'm paraphrasing Wys.


It's just getting to the point we have been before- If the team plays bad - regardless if Bledsoe has an 86 QB rating or not- it's still his fault. He's got one INT- and Henry blew it by "gator -arming" it. Is he a great QB? Hardly. Yes, he's a statue. But the OL doesn't lift a finger, and our RBs miss the Blitz assignments all the time.


2 games, 2 plays, 2 yards, 2 TDs, 2-0.

[Mr. Cynical]

I'm not quoting you- we have buttons to do that. I'm paraphrasing Wys.


It's just getting to the point we have been before- If the team plays bad - regardless if Bledsoe has an 86 QB rating or not- it's still his fault. He's got one INT- and Henry blew it by "gator -arming" it. Is he a great QB? Hardly. Yes, he's a statue. But the OL doesn't lift a finger, and our RBs miss the Blitz assignments all the time.


2 games, 2 plays, 2 yards, 2 TDs, 2-0.Well, some people may be making the argument that it is all Drew's fault. I know I never have, which is why I wanted a quote. The bottom line is that I'm not taking into consideration the losses when I discuss Drew. I've said that in pretty much every post I've made but I guess I still need to do so.

I am judging Drew on Drew alone, meaning the things that Drew has 100% control over. Those are:

1. The throws he makes when he has time
2. The decisions he makes when he has time
3. Taking sacks instead of throwing it away.

And IMO, he has sucked miserably in all the above. That article from Pats Reign also states the same, in addition to his inability/inaccuracy when presented with complex defenses.

[Dr. Optimist, SB]

those numbers are a bunch of BS.brady had 2 drops alone in his first drive of his arizona game(grahm,david.p). those are not accurate at all. -can a bad throw still be counted as a bad throw if its caught? drew has been bailed out more then a few times this year. are they counting the balls that drew thrown on short routes that were thrown at 150 mph to a open receiver? those were drews fault for throwing the ball at insane mph on very open short routes making it impossible to catch-those are drews boneheaded faults,not drops.

do they have a fortunate category? do the say how fortunate drews td was in the first game because it was a wide open td from a broken play?? and did they point out fortunate drew was on his other td pass to moulds when he caught it on a deflection?? lets be honest,drew should have zero td passes right now.
Oh Christ! you should talk about fortunate after all the luck **** plays the pats have had in the last 3 years. every year the league ends up ammending a rule or making a new one becuase you lucky bastards get so lucky that it breaks or bends the rules.

[Dr. Optimist, SB]

Well, some people may be making the argument that it is all Drew's fault. I know I never have
Yeah, well lets take into consideration your Drew mentioned as the spawn of satan in your posts percentage = 99.9% (the .01% took time to bash TD).

[Dr. Optimist, SB]

Whatever. He sucks, everyone outside of the Ostriches knows he sucks, and he will thankfully be just another bad memory after the year is mercifully over.
Tisk tisk tisk. Isnt this what you yell at me for? Looks like you didnt have an answer for all of the stats in favor of Drews performance this year.

:)

[finsrclowns]

First you need to re-read both my posts (just like socal) to get the fact that they make two distinctly different points.

Point #1: Mikey posted the stats first, not me. He was the one who first used them as a basis for his argument that Drew "would have had better stats" had the dropped balls been caught. I showed...using HIS stats...that his trend of "bad throws" (as defined by his choice of stats source) has been Drew's SOP since he has been here.

Mikey's was making a point about this year and the relatively high number of dropped balls HAVE made a negative impact on Drew's stats. It's a valid point. What he did or didn't do in previous years has nothing to do with that point.


Point #2: You are right - they don't track "crap throws that were caught". According to you I made my own spin on those stats. How could I? There are no stats to spin on this. What I said was the same thing Saburzfan and Tatonka were thinking....how many of the completed passes were crap throws? Well, I personally watched him throw at least 5 in the last game and around the same in the Jax game. And these were when he had time, so there is NO excuse.

And finally, my list of problems with catching bad balls is completely legitimate.

You're spinning it because you and some others are making the point that Bledsoe should have MORE bad throws because some of his completions were not perfect throws. I'm sure that's true, but it's also true that a) it's pure speculation that DB has an unusual number of those compare to other QB's and b) it isn't tracked by STATS so it's not revelvant to this thread. Drops ARE relevant because they ARE tracked and the Bills HAVE dropped a relatively high number of balls.