View Full Version : why is it questionable when Buffalo WIN'S
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 07:08 PM
:confused: How,come it's all right for New England to just beat a team like Chicago this close. but it's a laugh when Buffalo just beats a team like that?
I am constantly reading hear how Buffalo should cake walk over teams like Chicago. But, no one compares it the same way when teams like New England, just win by a lesser opponent. Why is it okay???
:hammeru: It just behooves me when comparing the competition in the NFL, that a team that was 3/13 the year before should be better than a team that won the Super Bowl!
This game proves that any team in the NFL is dangerous and there is no give me!
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!... :hammeru:???? :confused: ???
Buffarama
11-10-2002, 07:16 PM
Buffalo fans are of a higher class, and prefer to win in a way that lets the other team know they lost, without question.
NE fans are happy with anything, even when they don't deserve it.
4thAndLong
11-10-2002, 07:17 PM
Better lucky than good.
As far as I am concerned Chicago the players outplayed NE but Chicago the coaching staff gave the game away.
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 07:37 PM
I think that the referee's gave New England the game, by not measuring the spot of the ball. That move was probably, if a referee should be fined for bad officiating, that could be a fine.
I myself saw, that he had the ball with two hands and in his chest , and took to steps before he started jiggling the ball. And I thought it had to be conclusive to be overturned a call on the field?
Do they watch the play in slow motion or in regular motion when they're reviewing? The reason I ask this is when you look at that interception in full motion you can see he had control with two hands and two steps. But when you watch something like that in slow motion your concept of movement is at a loss. Try it at home using your VCR if you have that option, and also take your side vision out of it to.
No one answered my question yet???
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
4thAndLong
11-10-2002, 07:41 PM
The answer is....WE'RE KNOWN AS A LOSER ORGANIZATION.
No one will ever respect us and give us credit where it is due. We're an organization known for losing 4 SBs, getting rid of Antowain, RJ/DF, and "Wide Right."
Thats the facts. We're a small market team with little to no respect. Thats what being a Diehard fan is all about.
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 07:42 PM
4thAndLong LMAO
4thAndLong
11-10-2002, 07:44 PM
What'd I do now?
:huh:
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 07:44 PM
4th, I like the way you put it
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
SABURZFAN
11-10-2002, 07:49 PM
it's just another way of doubting the BILLS credibility.
JayWood
11-10-2002, 08:04 PM
Until we win the big one, and do it straight up, not like the Patriots got away with one last year, we will be seen as a losser organization. It will unfortunatley be that way until we get the ring!! Its also to bad that our whole team was not up to playing football last week. A win would have really made people notice. The bye is over, its time to get down and dirty boys and girls
ublinkwescore
11-10-2002, 08:34 PM
I too think that the Bills just took last week off.
Wait till we get our hands on the patriots again, we're gonna kill them.
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 08:34 PM
I don't accept the respect BS, this happens on this board and all the other Bills boards and I can't understand why it's OK to be lucky for one team and win and not for us?
It just irritates me when people don't realize the NFL is a high dollar organization and all team are built to win at any given week! Especially with free agency. The cakewalk idea longer should be used when discussing one team's ability as compared to another. It no longer fly's.
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
Marcos20
11-10-2002, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by DIHARD2
:confused: How,come it's all right for New England to just beat a team like Chicago this close. but it's a laugh when Buffalo just beats a team like that?
I am constantly reading hear how Buffalo should cake walk over teams like Chicago. But, no one compares it the same way when teams like New England, just win by a lesser opponent. Why is it okay???
:hammeru: It just behooves me when comparing the competition in the NFL, that a team that was 3/13 the year before should be better than a team that won the Super Bowl!
This game proves that any team in the NFL is dangerous and there is no give me!
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!... :hammeru:???? :confused: ???
Becouse noone want to accept that we are for real :angry:
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 08:44 PM
Marcos20, so what you're saying is that New England isn't for real, because they just barely beat a team that should have been a cakewalk for them, right?
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
Buffarama
11-10-2002, 09:22 PM
I wish everyone in Buffalo would drop the small market BS.
Amazing how we can support Casino's in Niagara Falls Ont, a new one coming in the USA side of NF, the casino up the thruway at Turning Point, slots at Fort Erie, soon Batavia, and anywhere else anyone wants to build a casino.
What we really have in Buffalo, is a large market of addicted gamblers who won't think twice about dropping a few hundred bucks a weeked gambling, but piss and whine about every cent spent at a sporting event.
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 09:42 PM
Small market at one time, was a factor somewhat. But it isn't any longer on fan base, because of television and cable. Also what does eliminate the small market BS is the cap and free agency. That was the biggest reason that whole system was introduced.
So I agree with you, on small market BS, the only way the small market does effect Buffalo would be filling the stadium. But we have one of the largest seating facilities in the NFL. Anything larger would definitely be hard for Buffalo to fill because of the amount of population it has to pull from.
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
Buffarama
11-10-2002, 09:50 PM
I sound like such a hard a** sometimes, but people in WNY spend alot of money. When you consider Southern Ontario, Rochester and Syracuse, all you have to do is get people excited, aka the Bills.
That's why I'm all for building a state of the art stadium in the Batavia/Pembroke area off the Thruway, and becoming the WNY Bills, and bring baseball here as well.
You all want a champion? There's your ticket.
4thAndLong
11-10-2002, 10:08 PM
Who would bring Baseball to a city that is on the verge of losing it's NHL team? No one.
We're a small market, Buffalo is a dying city.
We dont even know if there is a future of the Bills in Buffalo, we all know Ralph's age and all that stuff. You wouldn't spend all the money for a state of the art stadium when the team could be moved.
Lets look at reality, we're a death away from the Bills moving, and an owner away from the Sabres being moved, and attendance.
We're a small market team.
BTW, how did this subject change to small market stuff?
Buffarama
11-10-2002, 10:19 PM
That's a false perception propogated by an imbecelic media.
Think small, be small.
We are great fans. We are not small. There is plenty of money and people here.
4thAndLong
11-10-2002, 10:22 PM
Thats how it looks in reality.
Small market doesn't mean small fans.
lunatic_bills_fan
11-10-2002, 10:42 PM
Salary Cap inlike most other sports takes a lot of the crap outta the small market area. Only allowed to spend so much money.
4thAndLong
11-10-2002, 10:46 PM
What I meant by small market, is we dont get noticed as much. And when was the last time we had a prime time game in Buffalo?
When was the last time you see the Bills get any respect around the league? And I dont mean Vic Carruci, who use to work for the Buffalo News.
Then you have the teams like NYG getting prime time because they're a NYC team.
Small market means small players. How else do you think we got Flutie here!
Buffarama, I hear ya although I don't think that putting a stadium in the Batavia (or thereabouts) area would necessarily support a baseball team, it certainly would draw more fans from Rochester and therefore Syracuse.
RWS is currently what, about 20-30 minutes south of the Exit 50 toll plaza that is a good 20 minutes from Batavia. That would save near an hour, 45 minutes anyway, for Rochester and Syracuse residents. It would change an ordinarily 2 1/2 hour drive from Syracuse to around an hour and a half. IMO that would draw more from there.
Oh well, too late. :(
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 11:13 PM
I like the idea of the stadium moving toward Batavia, because of the pickup of a lot more fans like you two stated, Rochester and Syracuse. There's a lot of open LAND I believe, at least there was when I was living there and out that way that's close to the expressway.
That would be a better choice then staying in Orchard Park and the snowbelt. Although I think going that way is keeping the stadium somewhat in a snow region, I remember that area getting hit pretty good when I was growing up. But it is logical, logistically, you also have Broadway in that pie shape between Broadway and the expressway.
From reading an article I read, I don't know if it was on this site, but Ralph's wife is a big fan of the team, so there's a good chance it is set up so she can take it over. I think her enthusiasm is going to help keep the Bills in Buffalo, when Ralph does go to the big football stadium in the sky.
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
DH,
Good points. Or as Archie Bunker would say, 'good pernts!'
Due to those large open spaces, there'd be a ton of parking. I'm not sure how feasible it is anymore since the State laid down some greenbacks to fund the "makeover" of Rich.
It'd be good though. The snow couldn't be any worse than it is in OP.
BTW, for many Buffalo people it wouldn't even be a significant change in distance either. Maybe a little bit for Buffalonians North and East. Only those living south near OP now would take longer. But hey, they've benefitted for years. Time to spread the wealth, eh. :D
The stadium will not move. You haven't seen the roads here lately. The city of Buffalo will be quick access to the stadium.
DIHARD2
11-10-2002, 11:45 PM
Before the Ralph was built by taxpayers money, a private entrepreneur was going to build it in Lancaster and the only cost to taxpayers would've been building an on and off ramp to the expressway. Then the politicians got involved, and we all know how it turned out. Have to keep the politicians out of it this time.
Buffalo really has no other choice but to build a new stadium within the next ten years. Only because of the upgrades that have been done recently on all the other stadiums in the NFL.
Now back to the original topic; why is it that Buffalo has to fight to get recognize by its fans, when they have to fight to win a game that according to a few should've been a cakewalk, but when a team like New England just beats a team that they should have had a cakewalk with nothing is said.
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
Ok I had to respond to this before I go to bed. I was gonna put off tomorrow but im lazy in nature and might not feel like voicing my opinion.
I think that the Bills are a lot more respected than people realize. They are a love or hate team and I don't believe there would be any "hating" of the Bills if they were not respected. Seriously, how many people out there hate teams like the Bengals or Lions or Seahawks with a passion??? When I surf the net and try and get a consensus of what other people think it just appears to me that we get so much more respect than realized. There will always be the superbowl jokes, especially from our rivalries fans or the fans of whoever we are playing at the current moment. If these people thought the Bills were nothing special I doubt they would take the time to get joy and glee from rubbing the SB losses in our faces.
The Bills are not in any "primetime" games because they have not had winning seasons in a while. In our SuperBowl years we were getting about 3 MNF games a season, including MNF games in Buffalo.
The Bills are a high profile team, in a small market but I do not believe the market plays that much of a part in their respect or not. I read somewhere on the net(wish I could remember where) in which a fan of another team was giving his opinion on the teams the NFL seem to focus on, just by general consensus and he chose Buffalo, Dallas, San Fran and a few other high profile teams. So again, I think the Bills get a little more respect than you guys may realize. Also, it says a lot when a player like Drew Bledsoe wants to play for the Bills.
As for the city of Buffalo. Well, I just think it is a damn shame that we have that waterfront and nothing done with it.
The_Philster
11-11-2002, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by AG75
As for the city of Buffalo. Well, I just think it is a damn shame that we have that waterfront and nothing done with it.
Thank Adelphia for that. :down: They had a great plan in place but we all know what happened with THAT idea.
vmark11
11-12-2002, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by DIHARD2
:confused: How,come it's all right for New England to just beat a team like Chicago this close. but it's a laugh when Buffalo just beats a team like that?
I am constantly reading hear how Buffalo should cake walk over teams like Chicago. But, no one compares it the same way when teams like New England, just win by a lesser opponent. Why is it okay???
:hammeru: It just behooves me when comparing the competition in the NFL, that a team that was 3/13 the year before should be better than a team that won the Super Bowl!
This game proves that any team in the NFL is dangerous and there is no give me!
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!... :hammeru:???? :confused: ???
First of all, I don't recall anybody being upset after we beat the Bears. I remember people criticizing Chris Watson, Jerry Gray, and Gregg Williams' clueless clock management at the end of the first half, but that's what diehard fans of any team do. Go to a good Pats site (if there are any) and I bet they're talking about the same stuff. But considering we gave them 7 points and dominated the game statistically....and a lot of people were surprised that we were favored going into the game.....I don't remember anyone expecting a cakewalk.
Plus the fact that we had the Bears at home, and the fact that the Bears had more injuries at the time we played them.
Finally, you say any NFL team is dangerous, there are no gimme's, and then you say it's ridiculous to compare 2 teams (Bills&Pats)....so which is it?
DIHARD2
11-12-2002, 01:54 AM
vmark11, I just realized your new to the board so you really haven't read many threads, or maybe you just spot read to get the just of the the board's thoughts. And welcome to the zone.
????"Finally, you say any NFL team is dangerous, there are no gimme's, and then you say it's ridiculous to compare 2 teams (Bills&Pats)....so which is it?"????
[It just behooves me when comparing the competition in the NFL, that a team that was 3/13 the year before should be better than a team that won the Super Bowl
This game proves that any team in the NFL is dangerous and there is no give me!/]
If you read what I wrote, here is what I'm trying to say! You can't compare and I don't know how people keep on trying to compare and say that Buffalo should beat this team because of these players are missing, or Buffalo beat that team because players were missing. Why isn't it just Buffalo beat a team because they played better.
Also what I can't understand is how can anyone expect more from a 3/13 team except improvement. I expect a Super Bowl champion to play better than us when they are playing a lesser team. As compared to us, just winning against a lesser team. The fact is we got better than last year and was able to beat a team that we would have lost to last year.
There are numerous threads not only on this board but the others that over critique the situation, we do not have a Super Bowl team this year and I really can't see the playoffs but if we do make them, it will only be a one-game situation unless we get New England's luck with the referees, but I doubt that will happen.
I hope I explained myself better.
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
DIHARD2
11-12-2002, 02:06 AM
I see you are not new to the board you started about the same time I did. So you have been reading and you have to have seen people over critique the games that we did win in. There is always that excuse why we beat them or there's always that comment it should have been a better win in point. Instead of we beat them because we're better than we were last year.
GO!!!...BUFFALO!!!...
Originally posted by The_Philster
Thank Adelphia for that. :down: They had a great plan in place but we all know what happened with THAT idea.
It's ironic isn't it? It is just so damn typical of everything that seems to go wrong here. I was really looking forward to a new building going up. I have lived in WNY all my life but can honestly say I am not crazy about our skyline. I look at a city like Pittsburgh that is similar in population and struggles but really has a beautiful skyline ;(
http://www.cup.edu/ret/images/Pittsburgh.jpg
Well, we do have some good news. Hopefully this will do great things for downtown.
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20021114/1000050.asp
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