How long does it take to get good?

[Mr. Cynical]

In the four years TD has been here we have an 18-36 record to show for it with not one winning season or playoff.

Here's a few examples of what *can* happen in a four year span or less if done right:

• John Fox took a 1-15 team to the Super Bowl in his second year.
• Tony Dungy took a 6-10 team to the AFC Championsip in his second year.
• Dick Vermeil took a 6-10 team to the Super Bowl in his third year.
• Andy Reid took a 3-13 team to the divisional playoffs in his second year, and the NFC Championship in his third year.
• Jim Fassel took a 6-10 team to the Super Bowl in his fourth year.
• Jimmy Johnson took a 3-13 team to 11-5 in his third year, and to the Super Bowl in his fourth year.
• Mike Shanahan took a 7-9 team to the Super Bowl in his third year.
• Bobby Ross took a 4-12 team to the Super Bowl in his third year.
• Bill Parcells took a 1-15 team to 9-7 his first year, then to the divisional playoffs in his second year at 12-4.

So it *can* be done if you have the right coach and GM. TD has done nothing to prove he should be here past this season. And since he hired MM, that means he's out too (deservedly or not, a new GM will normally bring his own coach).

[Typ0]

In the four years TD has been here we have an 18-36 record to show for it with not one winning season or playoff.

Here's a few examples of what *can* happen in a four year span or less if done right:

• John Fox took a 1-15 team to the Super Bowl in his second year.
• Tony Dungy took a 6-10 team to the AFC Championsip in his second year.
• Dick Vermeil took a 6-10 team to the Super Bowl in his third year.
• Andy Reid took a 3-13 team to the divisional playoffs in his second year, and the NFC Championship in his third year.
• Jim Fassel took a 6-10 team to the Super Bowl in his fourth year.
• Jimmy Johnson took a 3-13 team to 11-5 in his third year, and to the Super Bowl in his fourth year.
• Mike Shanahan took a 7-9 team to the Super Bowl in his third year.
• Bobby Ross took a 4-12 team to the Super Bowl in his third year.
• Bill Parcells took a 1-15 team to 9-7 his first year, then to the divisional playoffs in his second year at 12-4.

So it *can* be done if you have the right coach and GM. TD has done nothing to prove he should be here past this season. And since he hired MM, that means he's out too (deservedly or not, a new GM will normally bring his own coach).

Such a nicely written post...and such bad grammer in the title...LMAO.

[Mr. Cynical]

Such a nicely written post...and such bad grammer in the title...LMAO.

The irony of criticizing someone's grammar when they misspell the actual word is the funny part.

[Typ0]

The irony of criticizing someone's grammar when they misspell the actual word is the funny part.

Hi, my name is Typ0 and I'm a misspeller.

[lordofgun]

When your name is Typ0, you get a pass.

[Typ0]

When your name is Typ0, you get a pass.

I think I have to learn how to give rep now...

[Mr. Cynical]

Meanwhile back to the thread.....

This shows that it is not unreasonable to expect things to turn around in 4 years. And I don't mean Super Bowl either. Just playoffs would be enough. TD sucks and has to go.

[Turf]

Nice post Mr C. I cound't agree more. Here we are at the peak of our salary cap cycle and are the worst team in the league. At least when John Butler spent money and mortaged the future we had something to show for it.
TD keeps mortgaging the future with draft choices, and we still have nothing to show for it.
How many years does it take? It's painfully obvious that TD has failed, MAINLY because he has failed to address the offensive line, and his drafting has been very poor.
TD is a lame duck. He's done, as good as gone. He has had total control, more than anyone ever in this organization. He has failed. The timeframe in which he leaves is the only debatable issue.

[hwc]

You forgot Bill Belichick. He took a 5-11 Pats team to a SuperBowl win in his second year. And, another two years later.

But, none of the guys you mentioned have as many buddies in the press or work as hard to grab headlines as Tom Donohoe. For example, he nobody outworked him in convincing the media that he had fleeced the Pats in trading for Drew Bledsoe. Or, pulled a masterful coup in signing Lawyer Milloy to a contract as the highest paid safety in the NFL.

That oughtta count for something!

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Why can't we just have a little patience in the Tom Donahoe 10-15 year plan.

[The_Philster]

And here I thought TD was the GM....those other examples all look like coaches.

[chernobylwraiths]

And here I thought TD was the GM....those other examples all look like coaches.

Stop trying to make sense.

[The_Philster]

Stop trying to make sense.

my bad

[lordofgun]

Stop trying to make sense.

Stop stealing imbondz's lines.

[chernobylwraiths]

Stop stealing imbondz's lines.

I don't have any lines.