TV return/McGee Burnt toast Sub

[juice]

Before everyone falls victom to the Hype of McGee being the athletic lockdown LCB to compliment Nate Clements at RCB, it may be beneficial to take a look at T-Mac Jets performances a little closer. First Wayne Chrebet ran wild in our secondary leaving McGee in the dust on his way to a team high in receptions and yards recieving.. not by coincidence our same struggling LCB was victomized by Santana Moss with a season breakout game amassing over 150 yds and catching what could've been a game altering TD when McGee fell downfor no apparent reason.

At the outset of the season it was thought that Kevin Thomas might be the backup that was closer to being ready to start at a cornerback position but due to the unfortunate injury to Vincent, McGee got his opporitunity to start. This start came at the same time as McGee was beginning to tear up opposing ST units with a few very impressive returns, with a few being called back on penalties.

Many began to see the Highlight shows giving T. McGee the spotlight for his return abilities and began to yearn for more Pub. The thoughts of T-Mac getting a few picks as the Starting LCB and taking them back to the house led many to annoint him as our Youthful Future at the LCB spot, But after watching his Two Starts against the Jets that may not be the case, and he does not look ready to make the Leap to the starting role, Yet.

TV has practiced a full week and is expected to be available this week against the Pats, Leading to talk and speculation that he may be plugged into the starting FS position if T-Mac appears to have the ability to hold down that LCB for the duration of the season. Vincint at FS, in many peoples opinion would be an upgrade to the Athletisism and Playmaking abilities of our Safety unit and might solidify a Defensive Secondary that has struggled to create Turnovers this year.

Troy Vincent moved to FS, leaving T. McGee to hold down the Corner may look good on paper, but actuality appears to be a move that might still be an Off-Season away.

Izzell Reese retaining his position at FS and Vincent returning to his LCB position will give this Bills Secondary the best chance to be successful with the present state of the team. Allowing T. Mcgee to develope as a Nickle back while polishing his cover abilities, along with being the Pro Bowl caliber performer in the Return game might be the role that mot helps this team to win Games this Season. There's always next year for a smoother transition into the starters position without the liabilities rushing the change could bring.
www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20041108/1012887.asp (http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20041108/1012887.asp)

[THATHURMANATOR]

Thanks for Bolding the names.

[casdhf]

I agree with most of juice's post, other than the hard on for Reese...he blows.

[juice]

I agree with most of juice's post, other than the hard on for Reese...he blows.Give examples of plays that Reese has been beat as opposed to the number of time Wire was toasted at SS, McGee Toasted at CB, or the Raiders game when R. Baker was beat for the game winning TD.

Reese plays FS without hurting the team and his run support is better than average.

I'm glad you agree with the post other than your mistake of viewing Good solid Safety play as me having a "Hard-On" for the guy.

I just didn't see where his play hurt the team against the Jets.. Again give me some examples of him being totally out of position.. Where are the huge outputs from opponents Passing game.. If it Aint broke ..

[LtBillsFan66]

I would rather Vincent at CB at this point too.

[ryjam282]

I have to agree with Juice on this one. Sure, FS isn't the hardest position to come in and learn but I don't think that TV should be doing this. I think McGee could continue on the special teams and continue learning the cover skills as the nickel guy and completely shut down #3 WR's. It will only make our D that much better. Reese really hasn't done much to say he sucks.....I think stick with it for now. We are #2 in Defense right now and I would like to see it continue that way.

[DaBills]

Before we get rid of anyone, (and I am unhappy with mcGhee lately), I want to see Gray for one game at least have the DBs play tight on the line and jam some people.

I think our guys are getting beat because they are laying 5, 10 yards off the line and hoping to recover with their speed. If we don't have a decent pass rush at the same time, the QB throws deep all day.

Watch this week when we play NE. They will jam Moulds & Co at the line. That has to disrupt rythm, yet our secondary will let WR's get up to full speed before covering them. It's not just McGhee it happens too either.

Jam guys at the line along with stepping up pressure on Brady, and he'll be forced into handing it off. Right into the strength of our run defense.

[Mr. Cynical]

I agree with most of juice's post, other than the hard on for Reese...he blows.
:rofl:

Party at juice's house to showcase the Ruben and Izzel shrine in his living room.

:;

[Michael82]

:rofl:

Party at juice's house to showcase the Ruben and Izzel shrine in his living room.

:;
You forgot about the biggest one of all....

The OJ Simpson shrine. :up:

[juice]

There is only an OJ Shrine

Brown and Reese are solid Players in the League that Bills fans seem to underappreciate.

Reese, we still have the services of and is playing solid at FS.

Brown we CUT, with the Makeshift Line we have now. And Just when you thought things were getting better for the Line, Big Mike goes down.

Mike was beginning to play into shape and was a HUGE part if our run game, and now who know how long we will be without him, the Run game has taken a huge step backwards, that goes to show how little depth we have on the O-Line.

Mikey, I bet my OJ Shrine doesn't compare to your Drew Live Crew, Bledsoe Memorial.

[casdhf]

Reese may not have done anything bad, other than cost us a win against the Jags, but he hasn't done anything good either. He pushes guys out of bounds 15 yards down field. I could do that.

[Michael82]

There is only an OJ Shrine

Brown and Reese are solid Players in the League that Bills fans seem to underappreciate.

Reese, we still have the services of and is playing solid at FS.

Brown we CUT, with the Makeshift Line we have now. And Just when you thought things were getting better for the Line, Big Mike goes down.

Mike was beginning to play into shape and was a HUGE part if our run game, and now who know how long we will be without him, the Run game has taken a huge step backwards, that goes to show how little depth we have on the O-Line.

Mikey, I bet my OJ Shrine doesn't compare to your Drew Live Crew, Bledsoe Memorial.
I don't have any single player shrines. i have a Bills shrine, my room...but that's about it. In it are a bunch of things that I cherish...

1. Wilson replica football signed by Jim Kelly in silver marker.
2. Mini helmet and jersey signed by Eric Moulds
3. Mini helmet signed by Pete Metzelaars
4. Bills football signed by all the offensive stars, and some defensive stars from training camp in 2000.
5. Bills football signed by most of the offensive stars and some defensive starters in 2001.
6. Bills football signed by most of the offensive stars and some defensive players in 2002.
7. Bills football signed by a bunch of starters in 2003.
8. Bills football signed by a bunch of starters in 2004.
9. Pair of gloves given to me by Sammy Morris and signed.
10. Pair of gloves given to me by Antoine Winfield and signed.
11. Pair of gloves from his rookie season given to my by Terrence McGee and signed.
12. Glove that Josh Reed gave me and signed at camp in his rookie year.

Oh and then I got all my 8x10's that are signed by a bunch of different players (2 Jim Kelly's, 1 Don Beebe, 1 Thurman Thomas, 1 Steve Christie, 1 Steve Tasker, 2 Drew Bledsoe, 2 Eric Moulds, 1 Josh Reed, 1 Lawyer Milloy, 1 Brian Moorman, 1 Takeo Spikes, 1 Pat Williams, 1 Willis McGahee, 1 JP Losman and a few others)

[juice]

Thats pretty impressive Mikey, The only thing you are missing is an autographed OJ Jersey.. Let me know if you need one to make your collection complete.

[LtBillsFan66]

I have a Bills mini helmet on my desk.

[Michael82]

Thats pretty impressive Mikey, The only thing you are missing is an autographed OJ Jersey.. Let me know if you need one to make your collection complete.
I would actually love to get my hand on an OJ jersey. That would be a sweet addition to my collection...or even an OJ autographed helmet or photo. :up:

[juice]

I would actually love to get my hand on an OJ jersey. That would be a sweet addition to my collection...or even an OJ autographed helmet or photo. :up:Mikey, check your PMs, I can help you with some autographed OJ stuff.

[LtBillsFan66]

I want an autographed knife. :D

[Michael82]

I want an autographed knife. :D
:rofl: I know we all rag on OJ Simpson a lot and dislike him for the crimes he did/didn't commit. However, I look at what he did in the NFL when he played for the Buffalo Bills...it was incredible! The guy was an awesome running back and one of the greatest ever. If only the murder never happened. It would be interesting to see how much differently people act about him.

This is part of the reason why I would like to have some kind of memorabilia of him to put in my collection.

[DaBills]

I have a box of Flutie Flakes.

But no milk.

[Drewpac]

I agree with Juice. Barring any future injuries, the aforementioned personnel moves shouldn't take place until training camp.

[juice]

I agree with Juice. Barring any future injuries, the aforementioned personnel moves shouldn't take place until training camp.Why would you make the change now when we brought TV here to play Corner, Paid him like a starting Corner, and we're attempting to salvage a season that is only half over. t's obvious that T-Mac isn't quite ready for the starters role yet.

Vincent playing a new position coming off of surgery might even struggle with the transition and become a liability himself.

[NapalmDeath]

Vincent playing a new position coming off of surgery might even struggle with the transition and become a liability himself.


That is a VERY good point. Not taking anything away from TV, but realistically, the Bills best D will be with TV at corner this year.

Next year is a different story.

[Typ0]

I don't have any single player shrines. i have a Bills shrine, my room...but that's about it. In it are a bunch of things that I cherish...

1. Wilson replica football signed by Jim Kelly in silver marker.
2. Mini helmet and jersey signed by Eric Moulds
3. Mini helmet signed by Pete Metzelaars
4. Bills football signed by all the offensive stars, and some defensive stars from training camp in 2000.
5. Bills football signed by most of the offensive stars and some defensive starters in 2001.
6. Bills football signed by most of the offensive stars and some defensive players in 2002.
7. Bills football signed by a bunch of starters in 2003.
8. Bills football signed by a bunch of starters in 2004.
9. Pair of gloves given to me by Sammy Morris and signed.
10. Pair of gloves given to me by Antoine Winfield and signed.
11. Pair of gloves from his rookie season given to my by Terrence McGee and signed.
12. Glove that Josh Reed gave me and signed at camp in his rookie year.

Oh and then I got all my 8x10's that are signed by a bunch of different players (2 Jim Kelly's, 1 Don Beebe, 1 Thurman Thomas, 1 Steve Christie, 1 Steve Tasker, 2 Drew Bledsoe, 2 Eric Moulds, 1 Josh Reed, 1 Lawyer Milloy, 1 Brian Moorman, 1 Takeo Spikes, 1 Pat Williams, 1 Willis McGahee, 1 JP Losman and a few others)

Mikey you really need to get a life...at least get some porn on those walls buddy and things will look up....

[Michael82]

Mikey you really need to get a life...at least get some porn on those walls buddy and things will look up....
Porn on the walls? :rofl:

not on the walls, under the bed and in the desk drawers. :naughty:

:up:

[juice]

the Bills best D will be with TV at corner this year.

Next year is a different story.I agree Napalm..

There is a period of adjustment for any type of position change, and as we know from the COY WIRE EXPERIMENT, positions in the defensive backfield are not completely interchangable.. to attempt this move now, with the way that McGee has struggled would be a step backwards for an already cohesive unit.

[EDS]

I agree Napalm..

There is a period of adjustment for any type of position change, and as we know from the COY WIRE EXPERIMENT, positions in the defensive backfield are not completely interchangable.. to attempt this move now, with the way that McGee has struggled would be a step backwards for an already cohesive unit.

Moving an established successful player from one position to another is a far different story then moving a player who has yet to prove he can play at an NFL level. There are no guarantees, certainly, but Troy Vincent is the type of experienced, intelligent veteran player that can make the move, much like Rod Woodson, Carnell Lake, and Leroy Butler.

I actually think in the long run that McGee may make a good safety. Try him at corner first yes, but if he does not improve over the course of the next year, then he may be a long term fit at free safety since he could cover a lot of ground in the middle. He even played some safety in college.

[juice]

Moving an established successful player from one position to another is a far different story then moving a player who has yet to prove he can play at an NFL level. There are no guarantees, certainly, but Troy Vincent is the type of experienced, intelligent veteran player that can make the move, much like Rod Woodson, Carnell Lake, and Leroy Butler.

I actually think in the long run that McGee may make a good safety. Try him at corner first yes, but if he does not improve over the course of the next year, then he may be a long term fit at free safety since he could cover a lot of ground in the middle. He even played some safety in college.But to make that switch Mid-Season, While McGee is struggling at the CB position, I find questionable.

Vincent losing a step might make this move to FS neccessary in the off-season, but right now within Divisional play, could hurt the entire unit.. the most glaring weakness in the Defensive Backfield seems to be McGee's play at LCB.

I guess Vincent is day-to-day as it stands right now or has McGee been named the starter against the Pats?

[juice]

McGee has been named the starter and MM has indicated that whatever capacity Vincent plays will be at the FS position.


I think Vincent will be available to play this week and may not start at FS but will play a major role at that position.

Maybe the plan is to work Vincent into whatever position he is mostly needed.. I cant see the staff allowing McGee to struggle like he did last week, Because Brady will not let up if he thinks he can exploit McGee as a Weakness in the Secondary.

[juice]

www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20041111/1032406.asp (http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20041111/1032406.asp)

[juice]

www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20041111/1032406.asp (http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20041111/1032406.asp) Do you think that TV and MM are going at it, Because this Article is saying

MM strongly indicated Vincent would be playing FS if he can play Sunday.

"Terrence is starting right now, and I'm not sure that Troy Vincent's Injury is part of the equation of whether Terrence does or not".

Seems to be saying that Vincent has no say-so in the matter.

While in a weekly Press conference today TV says that he is still a corner and that he "Still studies a third of the field at a time" seems to contradict what the HeadCoach is saying about the Players Representative of the League

Maybe these guys are having a little Pwr Struggle, MM sounds like he's made his decision, and TV seems like he thinks he should have some say in the matter.