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Earthquake Enyart
11-17-2004, 12:29 PM
From TMQ on nfl.com

A Brief History of the Preposterous Punt

On Nov. 3, 2002, trailing defending champion New England by 10 points, the Bills faced fourth-and-2 on the Patriots 32. Did they go for it? Attempt a field goal to close the deficit to one score? Buffalo punted from the New England 32! Emboldened by the mincing, fraidy-cat call, New England marched the length of the field for a touchdown that turned the contest into a blowout. That was almost exactly two years ago. To the point of the Preposterous Punt, Buffalo was 5-3 and the second-highest scoring team in the league. Since then, the Bills have gone 12-21 and consistently been at or near the bottom in scoring. The extremely weird Bills habit of punting inside the opponent's 40 has continued from the reign of the tastefully named Gregg Williams to the current stewardship of the serious pun potential Mike Mularkey. For instance, earlier this season, Buffalo punted from the Jersey/B 37 in a game the Bills went on to lose by two points. No wonder the Bills are the third-lowest scoring club in the league -- it's hard to ring up points when you don't even try to score.

Never underestimate the extent to which NFL teams do, in fact, respond to the messages coaches send them. By punting in opposition territory, two consecutive Buffalo coaches have sent the message that they think their players are incapable of picking up yards in pressure situations. Inside the opponent's 40 -- the Maroon Zone -- is where a team must convert mere possessions into scoring opportunities. In this part of the field, teams may actually be better off going for it and failing than launching a mincing fraidy-cat punt. Going for it sends the message that the coach is challenging his players to win the game, a message that redounds even if the attempt fails. Punting sends the message that the coach has no confidence in his players, or that the coach is not totally committed to winning, an equally bad message.

To the moment of the Preposterous Punt on Sunday, the Buffalo offense had staged a brisk opening drive, gaining 45 yards. On the next possession, after a decent drive of 23 yards, the Bills again punted inside New England territory, this time on fourth-and-7 from the Patriots 44. Realizing their coach had no confidence in them and was not totally committed to winning the game, Buffalo offensive players visibly gave up at this point, gaining only 72 yards the rest of the game. To top off the fiasco, trailing 23-0 late in the third quarter, the Bills faced fourth-and-2 from their own 31. Coaches sent in the punting unit. TMQ thought: You're 3-5, you're down by 23 points to the defending champions, what do you have to lose! What the Buffalo players surely thought was -- the coaching staff has quit on this game, so why shouldn't we?

As for Bledsoe, for two seasons this once-magnificent passer has meekly trotted off the field, head hanging low, as coaches send in the punting unit in opposition territory. If Green Bay coaches did the same to Brett Favre, there would be a detonation so powerful it would light up screens at the National Earthquake Information Center. As the Buffalo offense has sputtered under two different coaches, Bledsoe has never asserted himself to demand that the Bills play to win instead of playing not to lose; he has meekly hung his head low during embarrassment after embarrassment. Yesterday, Ron Borges of the Boston Globe called Bledsoe "a sad imitation of what he once was." No one questions that Bledsoe is giving it all he's got. He just seems to have nothing left to give.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7893888

Michael82
11-17-2004, 12:55 PM
From TMQ on nfl.com

A Brief History of the Preposterous Punt

On Nov. 3, 2002, trailing defending champion New England by 10 points, the Bills faced fourth-and-2 on the Patriots 32. Did they go for it? Attempt a field goal to close the deficit to one score? Buffalo punted from the New England 32! Emboldened by the mincing, fraidy-cat call, New England marched the length of the field for a touchdown that turned the contest into a blowout. That was almost exactly two years ago. To the point of the Preposterous Punt, Buffalo was 5-3 and the second-highest scoring team in the league. Since then, the Bills have gone 12-21 and consistently been at or near the bottom in scoring. The extremely weird Bills habit of punting inside the opponent's 40 has continued from the reign of the tastefully named Gregg Williams to the current stewardship of the serious pun potential Mike Mularkey. For instance, earlier this season, Buffalo punted from the Jersey/B 37 in a game the Bills went on to lose by two points. No wonder the Bills are the third-lowest scoring club in the league -- it's hard to ring up points when you don't even try to score.

Never underestimate the extent to which NFL teams do, in fact, respond to the messages coaches send them. By punting in opposition territory, two consecutive Buffalo coaches have sent the message that they think their players are incapable of picking up yards in pressure situations. Inside the opponent's 40 -- the Maroon Zone -- is where a team must convert mere possessions into scoring opportunities. In this part of the field, teams may actually be better off going for it and failing than launching a mincing fraidy-cat punt. Going for it sends the message that the coach is challenging his players to win the game, a message that redounds even if the attempt fails. Punting sends the message that the coach has no confidence in his players, or that the coach is not totally committed to winning, an equally bad message.

To the moment of the Preposterous Punt on Sunday, the Buffalo offense had staged a brisk opening drive, gaining 45 yards. On the next possession, after a decent drive of 23 yards, the Bills again punted inside New England territory, this time on fourth-and-7 from the Patriots 44. Realizing their coach had no confidence in them and was not totally committed to winning the game, Buffalo offensive players visibly gave up at this point, gaining only 72 yards the rest of the game. To top off the fiasco, trailing 23-0 late in the third quarter, the Bills faced fourth-and-2 from their own 31. Coaches sent in the punting unit. TMQ thought: You're 3-5, you're down by 23 points to the defending champions, what do you have to lose! What the Buffalo players surely thought was -- the coaching staff has quit on this game, so why shouldn't we?

As for Bledsoe, for two seasons this once-magnificent passer has meekly trotted off the field, head hanging low, as coaches send in the punting unit in opposition territory. If Green Bay coaches did the same to Brett Favre, there would be a detonation so powerful it would light up screens at the National Earthquake Information Center. As the Buffalo offense has sputtered under two different coaches, Bledsoe has never asserted himself to demand that the Bills play to win instead of playing not to lose; he has meekly hung his head low during embarrassment after embarrassment. Yesterday, Ron Borges of the Boston Globe called Bledsoe "a sad imitation of what he once was." No one questions that Bledsoe is giving it all he's got. He just seems to have nothing left to give.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7893888
Damn, that rings so true. I get so damn pissed when Mularkey punts from inside the 35-yard line. If you won't kick the field goal, because you don't trust your kicker, then go for it. :mad:

Good article. :clap:

TedMock
11-17-2004, 01:03 PM
The punt from the Patriots 44 yard line on 4th and 7 was the right call. It was too early in the game to get crazy, and you just can't go in and attempt a 61 yard field goal with most kickers, let alone Lindell. Even with Adam V. I doubt NE would've done something like that. 4th and 7 is a long way to go. Now, late in the 3rd quarter and down by 23, I may have done things differently. Primarily because a miracle comeback would've changed the entire season.

Ebenezer
11-17-2004, 01:03 PM
From TMQ on nfl.com

A Brief History of the Preposterous Punt

On Nov. 3, 2002, trailing defending champion New England by 10 points, the Bills faced fourth-and-2 on the Patriots 32. Did they go for it? Attempt a field goal to close the deficit to one score? Buffalo punted from the New England 32! Emboldened by the mincing, fraidy-cat call, New England marched the length of the field for a touchdown that turned the contest into a blowout. That was almost exactly two years ago. To the point of the Preposterous Punt, Buffalo was 5-3 and the second-highest scoring team in the league. Since then, the Bills have gone 12-21 and consistently been at or near the bottom in scoring. The extremely weird Bills habit of punting inside the opponent's 40 has continued from the reign of the tastefully named Gregg Williams to the current stewardship of the serious pun potential Mike Mularkey. For instance, earlier this season, Buffalo punted from the Jersey/B 37 in a game the Bills went on to lose by two points. No wonder the Bills are the third-lowest scoring club in the league -- it's hard to ring up points when you don't even try to score.

Never underestimate the extent to which NFL teams do, in fact, respond to the messages coaches send them. By punting in opposition territory, two consecutive Buffalo coaches have sent the message that they think their players are incapable of picking up yards in pressure situations. Inside the opponent's 40 -- the Maroon Zone -- is where a team must convert mere possessions into scoring opportunities. In this part of the field, teams may actually be better off going for it and failing than launching a mincing fraidy-cat punt. Going for it sends the message that the coach is challenging his players to win the game, a message that redounds even if the attempt fails. Punting sends the message that the coach has no confidence in his players, or that the coach is not totally committed to winning, an equally bad message.

To the moment of the Preposterous Punt on Sunday, the Buffalo offense had staged a brisk opening drive, gaining 45 yards. On the next possession, after a decent drive of 23 yards, the Bills again punted inside New England territory, this time on fourth-and-7 from the Patriots 44. Realizing their coach had no confidence in them and was not totally committed to winning the game, Buffalo offensive players visibly gave up at this point, gaining only 72 yards the rest of the game. To top off the fiasco, trailing 23-0 late in the third quarter, the Bills faced fourth-and-2 from their own 31. Coaches sent in the punting unit. TMQ thought: You're 3-5, you're down by 23 points to the defending champions, what do you have to lose! What the Buffalo players surely thought was -- the coaching staff has quit on this game, so why shouldn't we?

As for Bledsoe, for two seasons this once-magnificent passer has meekly trotted off the field, head hanging low, as coaches send in the punting unit in opposition territory. If Green Bay coaches did the same to Brett Favre, there would be a detonation so powerful it would light up screens at the National Earthquake Information Center. As the Buffalo offense has sputtered under two different coaches, Bledsoe has never asserted himself to demand that the Bills play to win instead of playing not to lose; he has meekly hung his head low during embarrassment after embarrassment. Yesterday, Ron Borges of the Boston Globe called Bledsoe "a sad imitation of what he once was." No one questions that Bledsoe is giving it all he's got. He just seems to have nothing left to give.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7893888
can't disagree at all...

The King
11-17-2004, 01:04 PM
Yeah def a great article

Michael82
11-17-2004, 01:37 PM
The punt from the Patriots 44 yard line on 4th and 7 was the right call. It was too early in the game to get crazy, and you just can't go in and attempt a 61 yard field goal with most kickers, let alone Lindell. Even with Adam V. I doubt NE would've done something like that. 4th and 7 is a long way to go. Now, late in the 3rd quarter and down by 23, I may have done things differently. Primarily because a miracle comeback would've changed the entire season.
I agree. But this is the one that pisses me off the most. The one that took the wind out of the offense's sails...

4-5-NE35 (10:22) B.Moorman punts 25 yards to NE 10, Center-J.Dorenbos, fair catch by K.Faulk.

Drive 4 Five
11-17-2004, 02:05 PM
Face it. 4&7 on the 44 with this bunch? They're more likely to turn the ball over on a Bledsoe sack or a Moulds completion for 6 yards than converting. It would be hard for any coach to have the confidence to go for it with these guys right now. Punting on 4th & 2, down 10, at the opponent's 32, that is just ****ing ******ed.

RedEyE
11-17-2004, 04:20 PM
All this tells me is something that I already know, Lindell's kicking abilities are total crap. Williams knew it, and Mularkey is now privey to it.

Earthquake Enyart
11-17-2004, 05:42 PM
It wasn't 4th and 7 it was 4th and 4 or 5.

When he punted, I thought of the exact thing as TMQ. Back to days of Gregg, the hairless, great interview, wondercoach

Plus we're 3-5. Go for it for Pete's sake.

TedMock
11-18-2004, 10:15 AM
I agree. But this is the one that pisses me off the most. The one that took the wind out of the offense's sails...

4-5-NE35 (10:22) B.Moorman punts 25 yards to NE 10, Center-J.Dorenbos, fair catch by K.Faulk.

Can't disagree with you there. We showed no confidence in our offense, but what reason would we? We showed total confidence in the defense, why wouldn't we? Then NE marched from their own ten yard line for a score. That was early in the game, before they were tired, so all this "they were on the field crap" can be thrown right out the window. We couldn't go for it, because of our inept offense, we couldn't kick a field goal because of our inept kicker, so why not let our #3 rated defense bail us out? Ooops! The defense is still a solid unit, albeit they desperately lack a DE, but they happened to play their worst game the same day that the offense did. It happens, I guess.