This is why the defense's high ranking is an abberation

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  • mchurchfie
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 13418

    This is why the defense's high ranking is an abberation

    As pointed out by Jerry Sullivan of the Buffalo news, some very telling facts..........It wasn't any great surprise when the Bills' defense came up small in New England. The Bills' gaudy defensive statistics are largely the result of nasty weather and even nastier opposing offenses. In the month before the loss to the Patriots, they fattened their numbers against Baltimore, Arizona and Miami, now the NFL's 30th-, 29th- and 27th-rated offenses.

    As I always maintained the defense is highly overrated.
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  • juice
    Registered User
    • Aug 2003
    • 3538

    #2
    This defenses weakness is it's lack of ability to bring pressure from the DE position.. When the DEs cant become a factor it makes it alot easier for the opposition to be effective in the Blitz pickup.


    "Hey, I was always aggressive. I always had lots of energy, thats why my teammates on the Bills started calling me Juice" PLAYBOY Dec.'76

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    • justasportsfan
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 71579

      #3
      Double teaming Shoebel and running at him was pure genius by BB/Weiss side. It took away any pass rush from either Shoebel or Kelsay and caught the DL offguard. Gray didn't have an answer to that. In the process, our Dl was confused as to whether the Pats would run or throw thus giving Brady all the time in the world.

      That could've been avoided if Drew wasn't turning the ball over thus keeping their O off the field.

      Mularkey should learn from Bellichcik/Weiss.
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      • bills_fan_atic
        Registered User
        • May 2003
        • 2202

        #4
        Originally posted by juice
        This defenses weakness is it's lack of ability to bring pressure from the DE position.. When the DEs cant become a factor it makes it alot easier for the opposition to be effective in the Blitz pickup.
        Kinda makes you sick to think of the defensive players we passed up and our offense still sucks.

        Excellent comments Justa and Mchurch!

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        • Mr. Miyagi
          Lecter's Little *****

          • Sep 2002
          • 53616

          #5
          Originally posted by mchurchfie
          As pointed out by Jerry Sullivan of the Buffalo news, some very telling facts..........It wasn't any great surprise when the Bills' defense came up small in New England. The Bills' gaudy defensive statistics are largely the result of nasty weather and even nastier opposing offenses. In the month before the loss to the Patriots, they fattened their numbers against Baltimore, Arizona and Miami, now the NFL's 30th-, 29th- and 27th-rated offenses.

          As I always maintained the defense is highly overrated.
          Tell that to Takeo. And nice knowing you.

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          • Jan Reimers
            Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
            • May 2003
            • 17353

            #6
            Our defense has failed to stop drives at critical times on several occasions this season, is still poor at creating turnovers, and continually gets schooled by good offensive teams.

            I totally agree with you guys. Our D mostly looks good because of the weak offensive teams we've played, and because - when compared to our own offense - it is at least semi-competent.
            Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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            • ryjam282
              Offical Billszone Starting QB
              • Mar 2003
              • 3261

              #7
              I think our D is the definition of Bend but don't Break defense. We let the teams run wild inside the 20's but we seem to really step it up inside the red zone.



              Ryan Withey
              Owner/President/GM/Director of Player Personnel

              Kansas City Super Deuces

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              • Forward_Lateral
                Registered User
                • Mar 2004
                • 29895

                #8
                I think our pass coverage is horrible, to be honest. How many times have we had a team in 3rd and more than 10 and given up a wide open first down? Why aren't the corners jamming at the line, you can still do that can't you? Why is the coverage so soft ALL THE TIME? It gets so frustrating watching WR's wide open play after play against our D. It is crappy play, or a crappy system?

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                • casdhf
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 17542

                  #9
                  Originally posted by justasportsfan
                  Double teaming Shoebel and running at him was pure genius by BB/Weiss side.
                  I don't think I'd call it genius. This is where teams typically attack, our 260 pound DE.
                  Originally posted by BillsZone Mod
                  cas,

                  I'm just letting you know that you have been given 2 points for telling Wys AKA Mark to kill himself.

                  BillsZone Mod

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                  • Mr. Cynical
                    Maybe?
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 9766

                    #10
                    I've really never had a big problem with our D. Granted they aren't great, but I always felt they were competent. In NE they held them to field goals on 3 drives, 2 of which started at our end of the field (I think). Sure, ultimately they started to falter, but the offense never gave them a chance to rest, or any hope that they (the offense) wasn't going to just turn it over again. After awhile this will drag any D down IMO.

                    Thing is...if the D really isn't that good, then there really is no reason not to can TD. His only "saving grace" was his defensive moves and if those aren't any good, then how can anyone in their right mind defend him.

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                    • mchurchfie
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 13418

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
                      Tell that to Takeo. And nice knowing you.
                      **** Takeo...he needs to up his game and start earning that big contract as an impact player.
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                      • bills_fan_atic
                        Registered User
                        • May 2003
                        • 2202

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Forward_Lateral
                        I think our pass coverage is horrible, to be honest. How many times have we had a team in 3rd and more than 10 and given up a wide open first down? Why aren't the corners jamming at the line, you can still do that can't you? Why is the coverage so soft ALL THE TIME? It gets so frustrating watching WR's wide open play after play against our D. It is crappy play, or a crappy system?
                        Probably more the crappy system. The comment Sam Adams made about the blocking scheme of the front four being designed to fill gaps instead of attacking raised my concerns. Now we have Jerry Gray saying, "We didn't attack." The best way to challenge the Patriots is to attack and go straight up man to man. They don't respect zone coverage and cover 2. Charlie Weiss and Tom brady are much too smart for that.

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                        • DaBills
                          Registered User
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 1206

                          #13
                          3rd downs are the key stat. We ain't stopping teams from converting them, and WE ain't converting them on O.

                          We stop teams, maybe for little or no gain on 1st and 2nd, then give up the forst down yardage. First half of NE, they were faced with 3rd and really long. I said oh ****, here they go, Bills are going to let them get it. Sure enough. I would rather the D buckle down on 3rd instead of just 1st and 2nd.

                          And is it me or is our LB corps the only ones doing any of the pass coverage? The freakin' secondary is almost back at the endzone before anyone comes up to help on passing plays! How many times did NE have guys take small passes and go untouched for 10 yards before they even saw someone from our secondary? ANd when NE was on D, all of their backs jammed our guys.

                          When you have Fletcher or Spikes getting more tackles than Clements and McGhee on pass plays, something's wrong.

                          Forget bend-don't break — we should rename it the 'Wilson Defense' because the secondary is out there floating alone in open water 5,000 miles away from civilization.
                          “The Bills: better than the record indicates.”

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                          • Dozerdog
                            In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

                            Administrator Emeritus
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 42587

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mchurchfie
                            As pointed out by Jerry Sullivan of the Buffalo news, some very telling facts..........It wasn't any great surprise when the Bills' defense came up small in New England. The Bills' gaudy defensive statistics are largely the result of nasty weather and even nastier opposing offenses. In the month before the loss to the Patriots, they fattened their numbers against Baltimore, Arizona and Miami, now the NFL's 30th-, 29th- and 27th-rated offenses.

                            As I always maintained the defense is highly overrated.
                            Very Wysonian.

                            Jacksonville is a division leader and we dominated them in great weather. We held the Jets to 16 points and 17 points in two meetings- they have a top offense as well. We held Baltimore to 17 yards in the second half on the road in good weather. Other than the Pats (who own the Bills offensively and defensively) this team has met the challenge each week.

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                            • Dozerdog
                              In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

                              Administrator Emeritus
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 42587

                              #15
                              Go back to last year- we had mostly the same defensive personnel and were only really whipped in 3 games- (KC, Jets on the road, NE on the road)

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