Free Agents

[hintexas]

I know that we are all in shock over the Bills not making the playoffs. But since the Bills dont even have (as of now) a first round draft pick the only way I see them getting better (other then growing together and expanding on their own talents) is through free agency. Does any one have a list of players available in free agency that can help the Bills get stronger for next year.
I think the Packers have two players that I would love to see come to Buffalo together as free agents TE Bubba Franks and Guard Marco Rivera. I also think that New England has a couple of players that are going to be free agents?

[BSXIII]

I know that we are all in shock over the Bills not making the playoffs. But since the Bills dont even have (as of now) a first round draft pick the only way I see them getting better (other then growing together and expanding on their own talents) is through free agency. Does any one have a list of players available in free agency that can help the Bills get stronger for next year.
I think the Packers have two players that I would love to see come to Buffalo together as free agents TE Bubba Franks and Guard Marco Rivera. I also think that New England has a couple of players that are going to be free agents?

I'd love to see Bubba Franks, as I think this team needs a receiving threat at TE. I like Campbell and Euhus, but they aren't exactly threats after they catch the ball. As for the Pats, Adam Vinatieri is a FA after this season. He would have been good for 2 wins easily this year. He may be the most clutch player in the league. If the center goal post went straight up, both his Super bowl Winning kicks probably would have hit hit. He is cluch from within 50 even in crappy weather. That is key in a ball control offense.

[BSXIII]

http://www.patscap.com/

Here are the Pats FA's.

[Marvelous]

Bubba Franks is a free agent??
:dance: :dance: :dance: < if so.
Man that would make me feel so much better going into next year with Drew again. We haven't had any TE production since Fluite to Riemersma. Big Riem kinda disapeared after Fluite left. I like Euhus but imo his injury might have pushed his progression back to far.

Cheers to Bubba Franks:):):)

[cordog]

Bubba Franks is a free agent??
:dance: :dance: :dance: < if so.
Man that would make me feel so much better going into next year with Drew again. We haven't had any TE production since Fluite to Riemersma. Big Riem kinda disapeared after Fluite left. I like Euhus but imo his injury might have pushed his progression back to far.

Cheers to Bubba Franks:):):)

Before we start talking TEs we need to talk about signing PW and JJ then available O-line. We still need 1 maybe 2 depending on JJ.

[BSXIII]

Before we start talking TEs we need to talk about signing PW and JJ then available O-line. We still need 1 maybe 2 depending on JJ.


I think Bubba Franks could help the team the most. I live in New England and saw a lot of Bledsoe's games with the Patriots. He is a completely different player with a top tier TE. Franks could do wonders for this offense.

[cordog]

Im not saying i wouldnt like Bubba Franks, I just think there are more pressing issues with this team. I wanna see P. Williams get signed, I would like to see some moves on the O-Line. Did you see Pitts O-Line today? They're great! The QBs had all the time in the world. When Willie Parker has 100 yds and Jerome Bettis rushes for 100 every game he starts, you know the line has played great.

[ArcticWildMan]

I think Bubba Franks could help the team the most. I live in New England and saw a lot of Bledsoe's games with the Patriots. He is a completely different player with a top tier TE. Franks could do wonders for this offense.

Oh please!!! We can't waste another season with Bledsoe in the hopes he becomes "a completely different player with a top tier TE." Put the pipe down for cripes sake.

Good QB's take advantage of what they have around them. NE doesn't have 1/4 of the talent we have at WR and RB yet Drew couldn't take advantage of it. WTF makes you think the addition of a different TE will suddenly transform him into a great QB?

Drew had more tools than a majority of QB's in the league and he still stunk it up. Wasting a few more million on another player will not turn a turd into a gold nugget.

[BSXIII]

Oh please!!! We can't waste another season with Bledsoe in the hopes he becomes "a completely different player with a top tier TE." Put the pipe down for cripes sake.

Good QB's take advantage of what they have around them. NE doesn't have 1/4 of the talent we have at WR and RB yet Drew couldn't take advantage of it. WTF makes you think the addition of a different TE will suddenly transform him into a great QB?

Drew had more tools than a majority of QB's in the league and he still stunk it up. Wasting a few more million on another player will not turn a turd into a gold nugget.


Try watching how much time NE's o-line gives brady to pass. He never gets touched. The few times he has faced pressure he showed he was very mortal just like any other QB facing pressure(Miami and Pitt). Watch the playoffs. You're gonna see some overhyped QB's choke far worse than Bledsoe did today. I guarentee it, and if it doesn't happen feel free to call me out on it!

[ArcticWildMan]

Try watching how much time NE's o-line gives brady to pass. He never gets touched. The few times he has faced pressure he showed he was very mortal just like any other QB facing pressure(Miami and Pitt). Watch the playoffs. You're gonna see some overhyped QB's choke far worse than Bledsoe did today. I guarentee it, and if it doesn't happen feel free to call me out on it!


LOL!!!! WHo is going to choke like Bledsoe did today? It isn't possible.

[BSXIII]

LOL!!!! WHo is going to choke like Bledsoe did today? It isn't possible.

You're on. It has happened every year and will this year as well.

[ArcticWildMan]

You're on. It has happened every year and will this year as well.


Well, Drew was the first choke of the playoffs, so I guess you're right. Pennington is the only other QB who you could even consider comparing to Drew so far but his play would have won the game for us, so that comparison is a joke.

[Marvelous]

Artic, we just gotta assume Donahoe will stick with Drew. :fury:
If we are stuck with him next Franks would be a great pickup along with lineman.
Lineman & or Jonas Jennings are a must...

[hintexas]

But does anyone know of a list of 2005 free agents?

[JWatts]

This is the only site I've found so far.

http://www.theredzone.org/2005/freeagents/index.asp

[Mr. Cynical]

I say we cut Drew and sign Stewart. Perfectly capable...and cheap....backup for JP. And he knows MM/TC.

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[The_Philster]

Holcomb would be my pick off that list. He looked good in the scrimmage last year....maybe a change of scenery would make him even better? :idunno:

[Mr. Cynical]

Holcomb would be my pick off that list. He looked good in the scrimmage last year....maybe a change of scenery would make him even better? :idunno:
I could live with that if he was really cheap and was brought in solely as a backup.

[The_Philster]

OK..I'm scared now...we're in agreement about something involving the QB :faint: :;

[casdhf]

[QUOTE=Mr. Cynical]I say we cut Drew and sign Stewart. Perfectly capable...and cheap....backup for JP. And he knows MM/TC.
[QUOTE]

You're nuts. Have you seen him play in the last 3 years? He is the worst QB in the league.

[ShadowHawk7]

Correl Buckhalter, Dom Rhodes, Chester Taylor would be excellent to backup McGahee, along w/ S Williams. Maybe Corey Bradford at WR? Jeb Putzier or B Franks at TE? Jermaine Mayberry or Marco Rivera at G? Ryan Diem, Kareem McKenzie, or Tra Thomas at T? (assuming we don't resign JJ and/or Price.) Bryce Fisher at DE? (To compete w/ Kelsay, this guy was a beast at the Jets game.)

Some of these guys would be great additions.

[TigerJ]

Im not saying i wouldnt like Bubba Franks, I just think there are more pressing issues with this team. I wanna see P. Williams get signed, I would like to see some moves on the O-Line. Did you see Pitts O-Line today? They're great! The QBs had all the time in the world. When Willie Parker has 100 yds and Jerome Bettis rushes for 100 every game he starts, you know the line has played great.

Agreed. I like Euhus a lot and I don't think his injury is going to be a huge factor is slowing his development. Bubba Franks may be a very good tight end, but I think the cap dollars will be better spent in other areas. I would look and Franks' teammate, Marco Rivera.

[Jersey1031]

lets get vinatieri!

[finsrclowns]

Good QB's take advantage of what they have around them. NE doesn't have 1/4 of the talent we have at WR and RB yet Drew couldn't take advantage of it. WTF makes you think the addition of a different TE will suddenly transform him into a great QB?



Branch/Givens/Brown/Patten/Johnson=1/4 of Moulds/Evans/Reed/Aiken?

Dillon/Faulk = 1/4 of McGahee/Henry?

:question: :funny:

[Jersey1031]

hah, definitley would say a hell lotta more than 1/4 our talent

[Mr. Cynical]

You're nuts. Have you seen him play in the last 3 years? He is the worst QB in the league.Worst QB in the league? Hardly. An average backup that can hold the fort if needed? I think so, yes. With our oline we need a mobile QB and he can still move around. Last year he was on a terrible Bears team and this year he didn't play a down.

Do I really want him? No, but I really do NOT want Drew to back up JP. It will cause controversy as sure as bears s*** in the woods.

[cordog]

Holcomb would be my pick off that list. He looked good in the scrimmage last year....maybe a change of scenery would make him even better? :idunno:

absolutely agree with ya Phil. When the Browns started him, he played pretty well.

[Mr. Cynical]

Oh please!!! We can't waste another season with Bledsoe in the hopes he becomes "a completely different player with a top tier TE." Put the pipe down for cripes sake.

Good QB's take advantage of what they have around them. NE doesn't have 1/4 of the talent we have at WR and RB yet Drew couldn't take advantage of it. WTF makes you think the addition of a different TE will suddenly transform him into a great QB?

Drew had more tools than a majority of QB's in the league and he still stunk it up. Wasting a few more million on another player will not turn a turd into a gold nugget.
Don't forget what Brady did with the basically same NE team that Drew had and couldn't win with. There is a reason BB let Drew go. If somebody tries to tell you BB is an idiot for doing so, then I'll take that idiocy every day of the week. I hate BB but I give credit where credit is due. He knew Drew was done and ripped us off.

[EDS]

Isn't Bubba Franks used primarily for blocking these days?

[Earthquake Enyart]

Worst QB in the league? Hardly. An average backup that can hold the fort if needed? I think so, yes. With our oline we need a mobile QB and he can still move around. Last year he was on a terrible Bears team and this year he didn't play a down.

Do I really want him? No, but I really do NOT want Drew to back up JP. It will cause controversy as sure as bears s*** in the woods.
Kordell is horrible.

I'd rather keep Matthews, or get Jim Miller. :up:

Hell, I'd rather have Gus Ferrotte than Kordell.

And, btw, Bubba Franks blows. He drops as many as he catches.

[Ebenezer]

I say we cut Drew and sign Stewart. Perfectly capable...and cheap....backup for JP. And he knows MM/TC.

:shocked: Have you seen him play in the last 5 years...he sucks worse than Tonya Harding would at QB....Don't try to help your credibility by holding up Kordell as an alternative...if the Bills did not bring him in before 2004 there is no way he even gets an interview this time...

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...I'd feel better with Matthews or AVP coming out of the booth...Miller or Holcombe would be the only two off that list I would think about...and Miller would be dismissed with the daily bowel movement...

[hintexas]

That is a good list I hope the Bills can step up and keep Big Pat and Jonas and pick up the Packers Guard and Tight End

[ScottLawrence]

Worst QB in the league? Hardly. An average backup that can hold the fort if needed? I think so, yes. With our oline we need a mobile QB and he can still move around. Last year he was on a terrible Bears team and this year he didn't play a down.

Do I really want him? No, but I really do NOT want Drew to back up JP. It will cause controversy as sure as bears s*** in the woods.


No.

Stewart is BAD.

[Mr. Cynical]

Don't try to help your credibility by holding up Kordell as an alternative...
I post my opinions and don't really care what you or anyone thinks of my "credibility". If that's what you worry about, that's up to you.