Hall of Fame Finalists Announced...Ralph NOT on the list

[Michael82]

Quarterbacks Dan Marino and Steve Young and wide receiver Michael Irvin were among 15 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame announced Tuesday.

Marino, who holds many of the NFL's career passing records, and Young, who led San Francisco to the 1994 NFL title, were among four finalists who made the list in their first year of eligibility.

The others were Irvin, a member of the Dallas teams that won three Super Bowls between 1992 and 1995, and the late Derrick Thomas, who played for Kansas City and died in 2000 of injuries suffered in an auto accident.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-halloffamefinalists&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Ebenezer]

Dan Marino-Yes
Steve Young-No
Michael Irvin-No
Derrick Thomas-No
Fritz Pollard-No
Benny Friedman-No
Harry Carson-No
Richard Dent-No
L.C. Greenwood-Yes
Russ Grimm-No
Claude Humphrey-No
Bob Kuechenberg-No
Art Monk-Yes
Roger Wehrli-No
George Young-Yes

[Billz_fan]

Michael Irvin is going into the Hall of Fame and Ralph Wilson is getting snubbed again ?

That is the biggest bunch of .... ARGHHHHHHH :mad:

This upsets me :unhappy:

[The Black Bear]

Michael Irvin is going into the Hall of Fame and Ralph Wilson is getting snubbed again ?

That is the biggest bunch of .... ARGHHHHHHH :mad:

This upsets me :unhappy:

If Lynn Swann is in the Hall of fame with 330 career catches then Michael Irvin deserves to go in with his 750 career receptions.


What has Ralph Wilson done to derserve a trip to the Hall of Fame? NOTHING! He was one of the cheapest owners in the NFL for most of his time as the Bills owner and even after having success with Marv Levy he went back to low balling his head coaches and or hiring guys with no experience. He did not learn from his mistakes. Just look at all the dud coaches in Bills history.


The guy has not committed to winning. The only thing that he has committed to is making money!

And

theblackbear does not care if people don't want to hear it. It's the truth and it needs to be said!

Ralph also has some shady business with Cookie Gilchrist in the past. Just read what Cookie has to say about Ralph. You're definitely going to like it!

http://www.cookiegilchrist.com

[Mr. Cynical]

In:

Dan Marino
Steve Young
Michael Irvin (unfortunately...)
L.C. Greenwood
Art Monk

Alternate:

Derrick Thomas

[Ebenezer]

If Lynn Swann is in the Hall of fame with 330 career catches then Michael Irvin deserves to go in with his 750 career receptions.


What has Ralph Wilson done to derserve a trip to the Hall of Fame? NOTHING! He was one of the cheapest owners in the NFL for most of his time as the Bills owner and even after having success with Marv Levy he went back to low balling his head coaches and or hiring guys with no experience. He did not learn from his mistakes. Just look at all the dud coaches in Bills history.


The guy has not committed to winning. The only thing that he has committed to is making money!

And

theblackbear does not care if people don't want to hear it. It's the truth and it needs to be said!

Ralph also has some shady business with Cookie Gilchrist in the past. Just read what Cookie has to say about Ralph. You're definitely going to like it!

http://www.cookiegilchrist.com
RW almost single handedly (with Lamar Hunt) held together the AFL at one point...

[Dr. Lecter]

How can you say no to Steve Young?????

And Blackbear, Ralph likely saved the AFL when he bailed out the Oakland Raiders. He should be in. The fact that he kept the NFL in small market Buffalo when he could have jumped to Seattle is a testimony to the man.

[Jayhawk]

Dan Marino-Yes
Steve Young-No
Michael Irvin-No
Derrick Thomas- hell ya
Fritz Pollard-No
Benny Friedman-No
Harry Carson-yes
Richard Dent-yes
L.C. Greenwood-Yes
Russ Grimm-no
Claude Humphrey-No
Bob Kuechenberg-No
Art Monk-Yes
Roger Wehrli-No
George Young-Yes, not over Ralph

[Michael82]

RW almost single handedly (with Lamar Hunt) held together the AFL at one point...


And Blackbear, Ralph likely saved the AFL when he bailed out the Oakland Raiders. He should be in. The fact that he kept the NFL in small market Buffalo when he could have jumped to Seattle is a testimony to the man.

Thank You! Good posts guys! :bf1:

[The_Philster]

Dan Marino-Yes
Steve Young-no...next year, though
Michael Irvin-No
Derrick Thomas-yes
Fritz Pollard-Yes...looks like the Seniors committee nominee...usually a shoe-in
Benny Friedman-No
Harry Carson-No
Richard Dent-No
L.C. Greenwood-Yes
Russ Grimm-No
Claude Humphrey-No
Bob Kuechenberg-No
Art Monk-Yes
Roger Wehrli-No
George Young-Yes

[Ebenezer]

Dan Marino-Yes
Steve Young-no...next year, though
Michael Irvin-No
Derrick Thomas-yes
Fritz Pollard-Yes...looks like the Seniors committee nominee...usually a shoe-in
Benny Friedman-No
Harry Carson-No
Richard Dent-No
L.C. Greenwood-Yes
Russ Grimm-No
Claude Humphrey-No
Bob Kuechenberg-No
Art Monk-Yes
Roger Wehrli-No
George Young-Yes
I still don't want to see Marino in the HOF....:mad:

[The_Philster]

I still don't want to see Marino in the HOF....:mad:

me neither but we gotta face the facts...he's a lock for first ballot :ill:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Dan Marino-Yes
Steve Young-No
Michael Irvin-No
Derrick Thomas-No
Fritz Pollard-No
Benny Friedman-No
Harry Carson-No
Richard Dent-No
L.C. Greenwood-Yes
Russ Grimm-No
Claude Humphrey-No
Bob Kuechenberg-No
Art Monk-Yes
Roger Wehrli-No
George Young-Yes

Steve Young and Michael Irving are NO BRAINERS if you ask me.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Irving:
Rec Yards Y/R TD
750 11904 15.9 65
-2 superbowls

Young: passing Rushing
Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT Att Yards TD
2667 4149 64.3 33124 8.0 232 107 722 4239 43
-At least 1 superbowl(maybe 2, I can't remember)

[THATHURMANATOR]

I also think Ralph should be in too!

[CuseJetsFan83]

eh, its the usual b/s and banter

as usual ralph and others who actually have done stuff for the nfl to help it survive get shafted.

my 5 players/owners/etc. list is as follows:
yes:
marino, thomas, monk, pollard, greenwood

irvin will get it at somepoint, but man, how the hell is he up for nomination before some of these people is beyond me.

just wait till reggie white is up for nomination, he will end up getting the sympathy vote, just like derrick thomas might. although in thomas' case he died during the prime/end of his career.

[THATHURMANATOR]

White shouldn't need a sympathy vote as he may possibly be the best defensive player of all time.

[The_Philster]

Steve Young and Michael Irving are NO BRAINERS if you ask me.

Two things:
It's Irvin...no "g"
There's a few WRs in line before him that are more deserving of the honor...Art Monk has been waiting to get in for far too long

[Turf]

I hope one day as Bills fans we will gloat in championships and not individual player acheivements and stats. It's really getting old. There is no longer any consolation in losing, not for me anyways.

[imbondz]

Steve Young and Michael Irving are NO BRAINERS if you ask me.
thank you.

[PUCKER]

Irvin in,but not Ralph??? Irvin kiss my :moon: !

[NapalmDeath]

Irvin in,but not Ralph??? Irvin kiss my :moon: !


Agreed!

Irvin does not deserve it IMO. Especially on a first year ballot.

If he gets in ahead of Art Monk than the hall of Fame has lost ALL credibility.

[Historian]

Somewhere along the line, Ralph POed somebody. It can be the only answer. Perhaps it was when he called those referees out in the '70's I don't know. While he tends to cheap out on occasion, he certainly deserves to be in the HOF, if for nothing else, he's one of the longest tenured owners in the game.

As for Eb's list, my disagreements are in bold. Keuch was a big reason the fish won back to back, and Claude Humphrey was the Reggie White of his day.

Dan Marino-Yes
Steve Young-No
Michael Irvin-No
Derrick Thomas-No
Fritz Pollard-No
Benny Friedman-No
Harry Carson-No
Richard Dent-No
L.C. Greenwood-Yes
Russ Grimm-No
Claude Humphrey-No
Bob Kuechenberg-No
Art Monk-Yes
Roger Wehrli-No
George Young-Yes

[bob the football fan]

A lot of people might not know, but Ralph Wilson had a part in propping up the AFL throught the mid-60's when the NFL started "Stealing" players off AFL rosters. Along with Lamar Hunt, Ralph was part of the negoiation team that helped the NFL and AFL merge. and the Superbowl that came along with it.
Without Ralph Wilson who knows what the NFL, would be like and weither or not there would be an NFL team in Buffalo. This reason and others are the reason Ralph Wilson should be in the Hall of Fame.


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WHERE WOULD YOU RATHER BE THAN RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW!!

[Mr.Right]

I can't believe that they haven't put Eddie DeBartolo, owner of the San Francisco 49ers for FIVE Super Bowl Championships, in the so-called "Pro Football Hall of Fame"! :cynic:

But Jim Kelly and Marv Levy are in?????:curse:

[Billz_fan]

I can't believe that they haven't put Eddie DeBartolo, owner of the San Francisco 49ers for FIVE Super Bowl Championships, in the so-called "Pro Football Hall of Fame"! :cynic:

But Jim Kelly and Marv Levy are in?????:curse:

Wasn't Eddie killed in a mob hit ? :laughter:

Any way you slice it there are alot of injustices in the way the HOF committe runs it's bussiness. Ralph W. Art Monk, and yes you could make a case for Eddie DeBartolo Mr.Right :up: Im just pissed that the cocaine sniffing Cowboys are starting to trickle in. If it's ok to let convicted druggies in then why can Pete Rose be in the baseball HOF :confused:

[Mr.Right]

"Eddie D." is alive and well....
:bow:

I don't believe in judging athlete's 'Hall of Fame' eligibility by their actions "off-field"! :whatthe:
Rose, Irvin, DeBartolo, O.J.......
SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame! :up:

Jim Kelly, Marv Levy, and Ralph Wilson should NOT!:nono:

[OpIv37]

"Eddie D." is alive and well....
:bow:

I don't believe in judging athlete's 'Hall of Fame' eligibility by their actions "off-field"! :whatthe:
Rose, Irvin, DeBartolo, O.J.......
SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame! :up:

Jim Kelly, Marv Levy, and Ralph Wilson should NOT!:nono:

Ralph is the ONLY owner the Bills have ever had, and he consistently fills a huge stadium in a small city with miserable weather. Name one other INDIVIDUAL owner that can boast that kind of success.

Jim and Marv had almost a decade straight of winning seasons and made it to 4 straight SB's- a feat that has yet to be accomplished. They also ran a unique style of offense that was very successful has never been emulated. Even without the SB win, it's still more than worthy.

[LarryBoy]

Jim Kelly, Marv Levy, and Ralph Wilson should NOT!:nono:



Wow.....before I thought you knew nothing about football...now I KNOW you do not know anything about it.
:loser:

[helmetguy]

One knock against Wilson-if you can believe this-is that he has always been a staunch supporter of franchise stability. He has consistently voted against franchise moves.

Here's the Selection Committee List:

Pro Football Hall of Fame Board of Selectors:
Arizona Andy Bagnato, Arizona Republic
Atlanta Furman Bisher, The Atlanta Journal
Baltimore Scott Garceau, WMAR-TV
Buffalo Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News
Carolina Charles Chandler, Charlotte Observer
Chicago Don Pierson, Chicago Tribune*
Cincinnati Chick Ludwig, Dayton Daily News
Cleveland Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer
Dallas Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News*
Denver Woodrow Paige, Denver Post
Detroit Jerry Green, The Detroit News*
Green Bay Cliff Christl, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Houston John McClain, Houston Chronicle*
Indianapolis Mike Chappell, Indianapolis Star
Jacksonville Sam Kouvaris, WJXT-TV
Kansas City Bob Gretz, KCFX Overland Park, KS
Miami Edwin Pope, Miami Herald*
Minnesota Sid Hartman, The Minneapolis Star-Tribune
New England Ron Borges, Boston Globe
New Orleans Pete Finney, Times-Picayune
New York (Giants) Vinny DiTrani, Bergen Record
New York (Jets) Paul Zimmerman, Sports Illustrated
Oakland Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange
Philadelphia Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News
Pittsburgh Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
St. Louis Bernie Miklasz, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
San Diego Jerry Magee, San Diego Union Tribune*
San Francisco Ira Miller, San Francisco Chronicle*
Seattle John Clayton, ESPN/ESPN Magazine
Tampa Bay Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune
Tennessee David Climer, The Tennessean
Washington Len Shapiro, Washington Post*
PFWA Howard Balzer, The Sports Xchange/USA Today Sports Weekly
At Large Jarrett Bell, USA Today
At Large Dave Goldberg, Associated Press*
At Large Peter King, Sports Illustrated
At Large Bob Oates, Los Angeles Times
At Large Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com
At Large Mike Wilbon, Washington Post

* Also serves on the Senior Selection Committee.

If I were to venture a guess, it'd be that writers from expansion cities and cities that have benefitted from "Franchise Free Agency" are most responsible for Wilson being denied his rightful place in Canton.

[Dozerdog]

I can't believe that they haven't put Eddie DeBartolo, owner of the San Francisco 49ers for FIVE Super Bowl Championships, in the so-called "Pro Football Hall of Fame"! :cynic:

But Jim Kelly and Marv Levy are in?????:curse:
I think being forced to sell the team in shame and after becoming a convicted felon for bribery of government officials in the Louisiana casino scandal might have something to do with it.

[Billz_fan]

Interesting note's from a recent Bob Mathews colum in the Rochester D@C


Former New York Giants linebacker and nine-time Pro Bowl selection Harry Carson says he'll skip this summer's Pro Football Hall of Fame induction ceremony even if he is elected Feb. 5. He says he was snubbed for too long. His displeasure is not likely to influence the voters either way. ...


Washington Redskins defensive coordinator and former Buffalo Bills head coach Gregg Williams ranks No. 3 on SI.com Peter King's list of the "best and brightest defensive minds in the NFL."

scroll down the page

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050125/SPORTS0101/501250332/1011

[Michael82]

Interesting note's from a recent Bob Mathews colum in the Rochester D@C





scroll down the page

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050125/SPORTS0101/501250332/1011
I hope they vote Harry Carson in just to spite him. :snicker:

[Mr. Cynical]

In:

Dan Marino
Steve Young
Michael Irvin (unfortunately...)
L.C. Greenwood
Art Monk

Alternate:

Derrick Thomas
I'm still in the running for the lead! :D

[Mr. Cynical]

I think being forced to sell the team in shame and after becoming a convicted felon for bribery of government officials in the Louisiana casino scandal might have something to do with it.
I agree, although the rules for getting into the HoF are only about what people have done on the field, not what they've done in their personal lives. I guess they are bending those rules a bit in his case.