Bills Wish list Topped by Vinatieri

[EM Bills Fan 80]

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That should provide the team with enough room to fix its biggest weakness, the offensive line. But according to reliable sources, the player who might top the Bills' free agent wish list is New England kicker Adam Vinatieri.

[Novacane]

Makes sense if they are going to try and win with defense, running game and special teams. I'll still believe it when I see it. He's not going to be cheap.

[Tatonka]

if there was ever a kicker that i think is worth paying top dollar too.. it his this guy..

him having a bad game is when the ball hooks to the left or right.. but still goes in.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

yeah :monkeyp: the Patidiots off even more :funny: heck we got Lawyer Milloy. Robert Kraft wasn't happy when we signed Milloy imagine how mad he would be if we signed V he would lose his best K that won him three SB's in a row pick up the :phone: TD and get this deal done fast when FA starts :wave: bye bye Rian Lindell :pray:

[lordofgun]

I'd take him, but this seems like pure speculation.

[Bufftp]

I'd take him, but this seems like pure speculation.
that's because it is.

[Kerr]

He's the best kicker in the league. If we signed him that's about 4 automatic wins for us next season.

[ShadowHawk7]

Or it at least keeps us from losing 2 games.

[Ickybaluky]

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That should provide the team with enough room to fix its biggest weakness, the offensive line. But according to reliable sources, the player who might top the Bills' free agent wish list is New England kicker Adam Vinatieri.

I have almost 1400 zonebucks in the bank, and I'll bet all of them against anyone who thinks Vinatieri will get a chance to sign with anyone. If the Pats don't reach an agreement with him by Tuesday, he is absolutely certain to be franchised.

The last time Vinatieri was scheduled to be a free agent the Pats franchised him and then later signed him to a 3-year deal. They are not about to lose him now.

[OpIv37]

I have almost 1400 zonebucks in the bank, and I'll bet all of them against anyone who thinks Vinatieri will get a chance to sign with anyone. If the Pats don't reach an agreement with him by Tuesday, he is absolutely certain to be franchised.

The last time Vinatieri was scheduled to be a free agent the Pats franchised him and then later signed him to a 3-year deal. They are not about to lose him now.

Agreed- and if the Pats let him go, it's cuz he's washed up. The only good player that's gotten away from that team is Milloy.

I'd love to have him on the Bills, but it ain't gonna happen. So time for a new "club"- ABL- Anybody But Lindell.

[Devin]

Yeah there is absolutley no chance that happens.

[Charlieguide]

I don't see what Vinatieri would have to gain by going to another team. He's one of the highest-paid and most respected kickers in the league, on a perennial contender (won't say the "D" word for a few more years, personally), in a beautiful -- if expensive -- city. It would take a lot of money to lure him away, if it's even possible at all. And at some point, you're just paying a K too much, no matter how good he is.

I still say they draft Nugent in round 2.

[Tatonka]

drafting a kicker on the first day of the draft is a good way to lose your job and fans..

sorry, but if the bills draft nuggent or anyone else, including jesus himself, on day one.. i will drive to buffalo and blow the stadium up...

[Charlieguide]

I'd usually agree, but have you seen the kid kick? Cool as ice. He will go on day one, mark my words. It might as well be us, since it's by far the position of highest need. Every D position is filled, OL will probably be solved in FA, and WRs are always deep.

[DaBills]

While I'd love it, he ain't signing with Buffalo. The Pats would move to Hartford first before that ever happened.

And if we need a kicker to win 25% of our games because we can't score TD's, then we're in trouble anyway.

[Tatonka]

janakowski was the biggest baddest kicker ever (according the the draft guys) and the raiders burned that first rounder on him...

if you think the raiders couldnt have found what they have in him in a FA or something else.. your wrong..

shane graham was an incredible kicker for my school, virginia tech... then he sucked ass with us... then came into his own finally with cincy, but it took some time.. and he struggled hard...

i would much rather see us take a OLineman.. a wr.. a de, a safety, a lb, a anything really than a kicker..

[Slim]

i would be so stocked it would offcailly complete our ST. we would have the best all around ST in the leauge

[That Guy]

As easy as it seems to evaluate a Kicker... it seems like most of the good onea don't come until the end of the draft or in free agency.

[thebuffalobills4]

lets just hope they don't the pats tag him. :shocked:

[BillsFever21]

No way in hell he would wanna leave the 3 time Super Bowl champions where he is an icon to play for a team that hasn't made the playoffs in 5 years.

[Wheresthekgun]

THere isn't a cold day in hell that the past will let vinny go...

[Gunzlingr]

I went to SDSU with him. It would be cool to actually cheer for him for once :D

[shotgun]

just get the ball to the 45 and we got 3 points lol j/k

[Meathead]

No way. If Vinateeri doesn't drink the koolaid he's going to command some major bucks. I think the only kicker in the league I'd pay top dollar for is Vanderjad0oidf@uo5%dkeuroekt and even then I'd have trouble pulling my finger - er, I mean the trigger.

[Ickybaluky]

I think the only kicker in the league I'd pay top dollar for is Vanderjad0oidf@uo5%dkeuroekt and even then I'd have trouble pulling my finger - er, I mean the trigger.

The only kicker you'd pay for is Vanderjagt? Why because the CFL connection?

Vanderjagt isn't the best in the NFL because:

1) The guy is a media whore with a big mouth. Remember him calling out Manning and Dungy for being too passive? Remember Manning calling him a "liquored up kicker"? His own teammates can't stand the guy.

2) Vanderjagt does have tremendous accuracy, but he has been kicking in a dome for years. Your going to bring him into a windy place like the Ralph and not expect some sort of struggle adjusting to the wind?

3) Vanderjagt's kickoffs suck so much the Colts used a roster spot on a kickoff specialist. In the past, they had their punter kick off.


The only kicker in the NFL I consider on Vinatieri's level right now is David Akers of the Eagles. Akers is great.

[clumping platelets]

I cannot imagine the Pats letting Vinatieri hit the market. Pats can easily afford the franchise tender of $1.787 million

[Big M]

I cannot imagine the Pats letting Vinatieri hit the market. Pats can easily afford the franchise tender of $1.787 million

Once again, the voice of common sense.

[Historian]

As nice as it would be to see him here, Clump is right, it isn't going to happen.

And before anybody wants to waste a high pick on a kicker, just remember, the winds in RWS have made some All Pro kickers look like chumps in the past.

[Ickybaluky]

I cannot imagine the Pats letting Vinatieri hit the market. Pats can easily afford the franchise tender of $1.787 million

His franchise number is going to be $2.5M. The franchise tag is $1.787M or a 20% increase over last year, whichever is greater. Since he was at about $2M last year, he will be at $2.5M for the tag. That said, the Pats can afford the $2.5M and can't afford to lose the guy.

I would argue that Vinatieri is the 2nd most important player on the Patriots, after Brady. The Pats have lost tons of guys in the secondary, and still won. They lost Richard Seymour going into the playoffs, and still made the Super Bowl without him. They lost Deion Branch for half the season this year, and still only lost once without him.

Who steps in if they lose Vinatieri? Think about all the games the Pats won by a FG or less since Belichick arrived in 2000. Think of all the big kicks Vinatieri has made to win games in bad conditions. Losing him would be a bigger blow than losing both coordinators, by a long-shot.

Belichick didn't build winners the last few years by being stupid, and allowing Vinatieri to leave would be phenomenally stupid. If you want to dream, go ahead. However, short of cutting or trading Brady, there is no move the Pats could make that would shock me as much as letting Vinatieri go to free agency.

[Bills 4 life]

THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE SIGNING VANDERJAGT

[Ickybaluky]

And before anybody wants to waste a high pick on a kicker, just remember, the winds in RWS have made some All Pro kickers look like chumps in the past.

If there is one thing Adam has proven it is he can handle poor conditions. Wind, rain, snow or whatever -- he handles it. I can think of no other better kicker in poor conditions.

[Bills 4 life]

TD..KILL ALL THIS NOISE AND DRAFT NUGENT! IT IS OUR #1 PRIORITY IN MY OPINION.

[DraftBoy]

drafting a kicker on the first day of the draft is a good way to lose your job and fans..

sorry, but if the bills draft nuggent or anyone else, including jesus himself, on day one.. i will drive to buffalo and blow the stadium up...


Completely agree!! No Kickers on day 1!

[clumping platelets]

His franchise number is going to be $2.5M. The franchise tag is $1.787M or a 20% increase over last year, whichever is greater. Since he was at about $2M last year, he will be at $2.5M for the tag. That said, the Pats can afford the $2.5M and can't afford to lose the guy.


His 2004 cap number plus 20%?

His salary was $1.425 million in 2004

[DraftBoy]

I'd usually agree, but have you seen the kid kick? Cool as ice. He will go on day one, mark my words. It might as well be us, since it's by far the position of highest need. Every D position is filled, OL will probably be solved in FA, and WRs are always deep.


Yea he was cool as ice this season on a bad Ohio State University team. He's got a nice leg but his accuracy has haunted him in years previous on big kicks, the kid has more questions than Janikoswki and Id have trouble picking Sebastian in round 2.

[DynaPaul]

Hmmmm, Vinatieri would be a nice upgrade to our kicking game but I just don't think it's going to happen. I can't see New England letting him go and plus Vinatieri is most likely in the same mindset as the rest of the Patriots players: brainwashed by Belichick's Communist Football System. You know the mantra, "We're a team. We will all take the same pay. There are no individuals. I am a robot for Belichick. You will join us or be assimilated."

[Jan Reimers]

drafting a kicker on the first day of the draft is a good way to lose your job and fans..

sorry, but if the bills draft nuggent or anyone else, including jesus himself, on day one.. i will drive to buffalo and blow the stadium up...
The scouting report on Jesus: Strong leg, accurate, but not available on Sundays.

[Ickybaluky]

His 2004 cap number plus 20%?

His salary was $1.425 million in 2004

Yeah, it is true for all franchise designees. It is the tag amount of 120% of their prior year cap number, whichever is greater.

That is why it gets real expensive to franchise guys muliple years in a row. It goes up 20% each year.

[Jersey1031]

No way in hell he would wanna leave the 3 time Super Bowl champions where he is an icon to play.

This is the exact reason he will not leave.

[Ickybaluky]

His 2004 cap number plus 20%?

His salary was $1.425 million in 2004

The CBA states:

"A one year NFL Player Contract for the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position at which the Franchise Player played the most games during the prior League Year, or 120% of his Prior Year Salary, whichever is greater;"

Later in that section it states:

"For the purpose of this Article, "Salary" means the total of the Paragraph 5 Salary, roster and reporting bonuses, prorata portion of signing bonus, and other payments to players in compensation for the playing of professional football for the applicable year of the player's most recently negotiated Player Contract, except for performance bonuses other than roster and reporting bonuses."

[clumping platelets]

Learn something new every day :D

[Mr. Miyagi]

The scouting report on Jesus: Strong leg, accurate, but not available on Sundays.
:rofl:

[Mr. Cynical]

sorry, but if the bills draft nuggent or anyone else, including jesus himself, on day one.. i will drive to buffalo and blow the stadium up...
:roflmao:

Pos rep coming

[HAMMER]

He's the best kicker in the league. If we signed him that's about 4 automatic wins for us next season.
He's the best kicker in the history of the league!

[flyonearboy]

I just read an article about possible third string QBs for the Bills. If the Chargers release Flutie (he's old and they need to give the #2 spot to P. Rivers) the Bills should pick him up.

Who would be a better tutor for Losman? They are both stramblers who have nice pocket awareness. Flutie would make tons of money again off of Wegmans and Flutie Flakes.

It's a match made in heaven.

[venis2k1]

lets get this out of the way first, i would stab my own brother in the eye with a fork for Vinatieri. but im not gonna hold my breath, i cant see NE ever letting him go. As for drafting Nugent in the second round, its not my first choice, but i would be pumped to see him in a bills uni. It all depends who is on the board, and pre combine the fact is we have absolutly no idea. if your looking for a player who can make an immediate positive impact, we arnt gonna find ANYONE better than nugent. janikowski was praised as football jesus because he could boot the ball, 60+ yards with ease. he still has prolly the most powerfull leg in the league. from what ive heard of nugent, he is cool as ice under pressure, very accurate, and a pretty good leg to boot(i know everyone here wants to see a touchback now and then, ive almost forgot what they look like) the main difference between janikowski and nugent is janikowski is an ass. i dont know if nugent is, thats up to TD and company to find out. last year when TD picked Evans, it wasnt because WR was a need position(anymore than a few others we had), or evans was the "best player on the board"(looks like that isnt true now though), it was because he, being a speed receiver, would help our team the most, and i think Nugent might be that guy this year.

[Ickybaluky]

It should become official today, as it is being reported (http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=69742) that the Pats will sign Vinatieri to an extension or (more likely) franschise him today.