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  • ShadowHawk7
    Ground your Jets Vilma, no way you're shooting this guy down.
    • Mar 2003
    • 2274

    Poor defensive drafting?

    Top defensive picks last 5 years: DE Erik Flowers (2000/1st), FS Travares Tillman (2000/2nd), LB Corey Moore (2000/3rd), CB Nate Clements (2001/1st), DE Aaron Schobel (2001/2nd), DT Ron Edwards (2001/3rd), DE Ryan Denney (2002/2nd), S Coy Wire (2002/3rd), DE Chris Kelsay (2003/2nd), LB Angelo Crowell (2003/3rd), DT Tim Anderson (2004/3rd.)

    Only Clements, Schobel, and possibly Kelsay and Edwards stand out to me as good picks. You should forget McGee who was a 4th rounder. It looks like we need better D drafting for sure. Our awesome defense was built mainly by UFAs, which shows our scouts for UFAs are doing a great job.
    THoughts?
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  • THATHURMANATOR
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 69112

    #2
    Can't get them all right.

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    • R. Rich
      Registered User
      • Apr 2003
      • 15874

      #3
      Erik Flowers was awesome! Great jersey.


      I can't get that damn "OK" button on your sig to work. Maybe I'll PM Pride for some free tech support.

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      • That Guy
        Registered User
        • Apr 2004
        • 2121

        #4
        Wow, 2000 really was a terrible defensive draft.

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        • Tatonka
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 21289

          #5
          the eric flowers draft was not td.
          "All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity." ~ Gordie Howe

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          • That Guy
            Registered User
            • Apr 2004
            • 2121

            #6
            Originally posted by Tatonka
            the eric flowers draft was not td.
            Yeah, I actually see some pretty good defensive drafting in the TD years.

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            • Romes
              Registered User
              • Jul 2002
              • 5766

              #7
              The 2000 draft sucked. One of the worst in the history of drafts.

              If you look at 2001 and on it isn't bad at all. Clements, Schobel, Kelsay all starters. Denny isn't great but he is a decent NFL caliber player. Crowel is a good special teamer and back up. Its hard for Tim Anderson to get playing time behind Adams, Williams and Edwards all good players.

              I don't think its all that bad. The 2000 draft is what really hurts the overall outlook of it.
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              RALPH is drove me nut.

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              • Dozerdog
                In a jar, on a shelf, next to the unopened Miracle Whip.

                Administrator Emeritus
                • Jul 2002
                • 42586

                #8
                We've gone all offense except for Clements in the TD era in the first round- even in what we got in return trading picks.

                The draft and Free agency go hand in hand. If you get excellent players (Spikes, Fletcher, Adams) in FA you will look to fill other holes. You got to loook at the two as a package.

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                • TheGhostofJimKelly
                  Registered User
                  • May 2003
                  • 12459

                  #9
                  Every year there are like what 250-300 players drafted in the NFL. They can't all make it. Go through the 2000 draft for each team and tell me how many of the guys make an impact today, especially from the 2nd round on.

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                  • Earthquake Enyart
                    Legendary Zoner
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 27521

                    #10
                    TD hasn't found a thing in the 3rd round and beyond.

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                    • OpIv37
                      Acid Douching Asswipe
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 101292

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dozerdog
                      We've gone all offense except for Clements in the TD era in the first round- even in what we got in return trading picks.

                      The draft and Free agency go hand in hand. If you get excellent players (Spikes, Fletcher, Adams) in FA you will look to fill other holes. You got to loook at the two as a package.
                      Agreed. The point is we have the #2 D in the league and we were #1 in turnovers. I don't care if the players come from the draft or FA- the defensive product on the field is good.
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                      • Crisis
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 12738

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
                        TD hasn't found a thing in the 3rd round and beyond.
                        McGee?
                        Originally posted by LOSman WINS
                        Vanek is Austrian not European
                        Originally posted by Prov401
                        Pacquiao isn't asian. He's from the philippines
                        Originally posted by better days
                        I will not be surprised if Tebow has more success than Peyton in the NFL.

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                        • R. Rich
                          Registered User
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 15874

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Crisis
                          McGee?
                          No. Donahoe.

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                          • Crisis
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 12738

                            #14
                            Oh. Thanks for helping my confusion Rich.
                            Originally posted by LOSman WINS
                            Vanek is Austrian not European
                            Originally posted by Prov401
                            Pacquiao isn't asian. He's from the philippines
                            Originally posted by better days
                            I will not be surprised if Tebow has more success than Peyton in the NFL.

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                            • mysticsoto
                              Too sober for this...
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 31439

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
                              TD hasn't found a thing in the 3rd round and beyond.
                              ??? Huh? Have you been keeping track of our draft picks???

                              2004: 4th rd pick: Tim Euhus - Was doing extremely well before the injury. Still has potential to do great. 7th rd pick: Fast Freddie wasn't super fantastic but did contribute every now and then.

                              2003: 4th rd pick: Terrance McGee has been phenomenal on ST and is rapidly developing into a #2 shutdown CB. 7th Rd Mario Haggan has been contributing to ST.

                              2002: 5th rd pick: Justin Bannan has been a solid backup. 6th rd pick: Kevin Thomas is now our 3rd CB - has had injuries but overall been decently solid when he did play.

                              Undrafted picks: Moorman was undrafted and has been phenomenal. Jason Peters was also undrafted last year and did decent in ST and may begin to contribute more this year.

                              I don't think TD has done bad at all. JP may prove to be the jewel crown - although it's hard to believe he could beat the pick of WM...

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