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ShadowHawk7
02-23-2005, 12:03 PM
Top defensive picks last 5 years: DE Erik Flowers (2000/1st), FS Travares Tillman (2000/2nd), LB Corey Moore (2000/3rd), CB Nate Clements (2001/1st), DE Aaron Schobel (2001/2nd), DT Ron Edwards (2001/3rd), DE Ryan Denney (2002/2nd), S Coy Wire (2002/3rd), DE Chris Kelsay (2003/2nd), LB Angelo Crowell (2003/3rd), DT Tim Anderson (2004/3rd.)

Only Clements, Schobel, and possibly Kelsay and Edwards stand out to me as good picks. You should forget McGee who was a 4th rounder. It looks like we need better D drafting for sure. Our awesome defense was built mainly by UFAs, which shows our scouts for UFAs are doing a great job.
THoughts?
THATHURMANATOR
02-23-2005, 12:05 PM
Can't get them all right.
R. Rich
02-23-2005, 12:07 PM
Erik Flowers was awesome! Great jersey.


I can't get that damn "OK" button on your sig to work. Maybe I'll PM Pride for some free tech support.
That Guy
02-23-2005, 12:07 PM
Wow, 2000 really was a terrible defensive draft.
Tatonka
02-23-2005, 12:10 PM
the eric flowers draft was not td.
That Guy
02-23-2005, 12:11 PM
the eric flowers draft was not td.
Yeah, I actually see some pretty good defensive drafting in the TD years.
Romes
02-23-2005, 12:13 PM
The 2000 draft sucked. One of the worst in the history of drafts.

If you look at 2001 and on it isn't bad at all. Clements, Schobel, Kelsay all starters. Denny isn't great but he is a decent NFL caliber player. Crowel is a good special teamer and back up. Its hard for Tim Anderson to get playing time behind Adams, Williams and Edwards all good players.

I don't think its all that bad. The 2000 draft is what really hurts the overall outlook of it.
Dozerdog
02-23-2005, 12:16 PM
We've gone all offense except for Clements in the TD era in the first round- even in what we got in return trading picks.

The draft and Free agency go hand in hand. If you get excellent players (Spikes, Fletcher, Adams) in FA you will look to fill other holes. You got to loook at the two as a package.
TheGhostofJimKelly
02-23-2005, 12:29 PM
Every year there are like what 250-300 players drafted in the NFL. They can't all make it. Go through the 2000 draft for each team and tell me how many of the guys make an impact today, especially from the 2nd round on.
Earthquake Enyart
02-23-2005, 12:29 PM
TD hasn't found a thing in the 3rd round and beyond.
OpIv37
02-23-2005, 12:42 PM
We've gone all offense except for Clements in the TD era in the first round- even in what we got in return trading picks.

The draft and Free agency go hand in hand. If you get excellent players (Spikes, Fletcher, Adams) in FA you will look to fill other holes. You got to loook at the two as a package.

Agreed. The point is we have the #2 D in the league and we were #1 in turnovers. I don't care if the players come from the draft or FA- the defensive product on the field is good.
Crisis
02-23-2005, 12:46 PM
TD hasn't found a thing in the 3rd round and beyond.

McGee?
R. Rich
02-23-2005, 12:55 PM
McGee?

No. Donahoe.
Crisis
02-23-2005, 12:58 PM
Oh. Thanks for helping my confusion Rich.
mysticsoto
02-23-2005, 12:58 PM
TD hasn't found a thing in the 3rd round and beyond.
??? Huh? Have you been keeping track of our draft picks???

2004: 4th rd pick: Tim Euhus - Was doing extremely well before the injury. Still has potential to do great. 7th rd pick: Fast Freddie wasn't super fantastic but did contribute every now and then.

2003: 4th rd pick: Terrance McGee has been phenomenal on ST and is rapidly developing into a #2 shutdown CB. 7th Rd Mario Haggan has been contributing to ST.

2002: 5th rd pick: Justin Bannan has been a solid backup. 6th rd pick: Kevin Thomas is now our 3rd CB - has had injuries but overall been decently solid when he did play.

Undrafted picks: Moorman was undrafted and has been phenomenal. Jason Peters was also undrafted last year and did decent in ST and may begin to contribute more this year.

I don't think TD has done bad at all. JP may prove to be the jewel crown - although it's hard to believe he could beat the pick of WM...
ddaryl
02-23-2005, 01:38 PM
2000 was Butlers last draft so its hard to add that into the current regimes mind set. We have built most of our D through FA.

Coy Wire is nice to have as a #3 S and since he makes good use of himself on ST's he's worthy of mention as a player IMO.

Some of our recent up and coming diamonds in the rough are from undrafted rookie pool. Like last years Rashad Baker, Jeberi Greer, and Jason Peters. We also have some interest in Constantin Ritzman who went down with an injury early last preseoan I beleive
cordog
02-23-2005, 02:29 PM
TD hasn't found a thing in the 3rd round and beyond.

Edwards
Jennings
Bannan
Thomas
McGee
and Fast Freddie Smith might develop into something good.
ShadowHawk7
02-23-2005, 03:29 PM
Erik Flowers was awesome! Great jersey.


I can't get that damn "OK" button on your sig to work. Maybe I'll PM Pride for some free tech support.

:rofl:


The 2000 draft sucked. One of the worst in the history of drafts.

If you look at 2001 and on it isn't bad at all. Clements, Schobel, Kelsay all starters. Denny isn't great but he is a decent NFL caliber player. Crowel is a good special teamer and back up. Its hard for Tim Anderson to get playing time behind Adams, Williams and Edwards all good players.

I don't think its all that bad. The 2000 draft is what really hurts the overall outlook of it.

Good points there. I wish Crowell would push Posey to start though.