Should we take a stab at this kicker?

[jpdex12]

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Sunday, March 6, 2005



Update: The Falcons signed Todd Peterson to a one-year deal this weekend. Recommendation: That likely means that Feely will be kicking elsewhere next season, assuming that he's shopping his services as a free agent. His value could be low kicking for a lesser team, unless he ends up with a dome team again. We suppose the Falcons might allow him to compete with Peterson, though it doesn't sound like it right now.


We might be able to grab Feely for a decent price. The only thought that I have is...didn't he start his kicking career in a dome? His stats are better than "Blind"ell's beyond the forty.
Lindell >40 yards = 56.7%
Feely >40 yards = 62.8%:scratch:

See stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/234829

[Dozerdog]

Let's look at his record compared to what we got.


He was also a dome kicker- so I wonder what he will do in the crappy wind/weather of the Ralph

[Dozerdog]

Here is Lindell with his Seattle numbers

[ParanoidAndroid]

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Sunday, March 6, 2005



Update: The Falcons signed Todd Peterson to a one-year deal this weekend. Recommendation: That likely means that Feely will be kicking elsewhere next season, assuming that he's shopping his services as a free agent. His value could be low kicking for a lesser team, unless he ends up with a dome team again. We suppose the Falcons might allow him to compete with Peterson, though it doesn't sound like it right now.


We might be able to grab Feely for a decent price. The only thought that I have is...didn't he start his kicking career in a dome? His stats are better than "Blind"ell's beyond the forty.
Lindell >40 yards = 56.7%
Feely >40 yards = 62.8%:scratch:

See stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/234829

I'd bring him in to compete maybe, but everyone's percentage outside the 40 seems to go down in stadiums like the Ralph and Landry. Remember, Lindell started his career in a dome too. I'd just give Lindell another year rather than sign another mediocre kicker. Maybe he'll get some of his leg strength back that he seems to have lost since 2000. We can scope out some NFL Europe kickers too.

[Forward_Lateral]

Hmmm...pretty much looks like the same kicker. Feely is 7-16 on fg attempts over 40 yards over the past 2 seasons.

[AndreReed83]

Feely looks like he'd be another head case for us fans. I'd just as soon stick with Lindell since he's mostly gotten used to the Ralph's winds instead of subjecting a new kicker to it. That difference could especially prove big with a new QB whom we just need to get points on the board for sometimes.

[Italian Stallion]

Dome kicker that can't make many past 40....no way

[jpdex12]

Let's look at his record compared to what we got.


He was also a dome kicker- so I wonder what he will do in the crappy wind/weather of the Ralph
I was wondering about how he'd be in our weather as well. I'd get him up here right now for a few trial kicks in 25 degree weather at the Ralph! Today would be a good day to try it. I think it would be smarter grabbing a FA kicker rather than spending a 3rd round pick on Nugent. I would love to see what Nugent could do for us though.

[YardRat]

Pass...I'll take Pochman.

[mysticsoto]

Feeley doesn't really look any better than Lindell. I agree, I think I'd give Lindell one more chance and if he doesn't do well this year, bring in new blood. Plenty of people here are calling for giving Josh Reed another chance - I don't see how then Lindell shouldn't get another chance. And with all the holes we need to fill, it might better to move that to next year. At the very least, Lindell is average - just not great. Yeah, we'd like a great kicker, but let's see what the draft has to offer when it's out turn to pick and go from there. I wouldn't be surprised in Donahoe brings in someone in the late rds or an undrafted gem to compete...

[jpdex12]

Feely looks like he'd be another head case for us fans. I'd just as soon stick with Lindell since he's mostly gotten used to the Ralph's winds instead of subjecting a new kicker to it. That difference could especially prove big with a new QB whom we just need to get points on the board for sometimes.
I would say that Lindell hasn't gotten used to our weather conditions yet. He shanked one during perfect conditions against Jax, missed another against Pitt too and that wasn't a bad game weather wise. I've been to a lot worse. If he cannot hit those at 42 yards and closer than we might as well fill his roster spot with another position player and have Moorman kick the chip shots. I'm being sarcastic of course. Seriously though, Lindell hasn't showed me anything! He has had two years. He is big for his size and cannot kick the rock. Hopefully TD is flying under the radar and can grab some no namer that will suprise us.

[DraftBoy]

Feely had a horrid time in Atlanta with getting his kicks up over the DL, he trying so hard to pound the hell out of the ball that he was driving it too low, it has since been corrected but like others have said he's a dome kicker and Im afraid with him here and in whipping winds he may resort back to his old driving self and cost us some games through field posistion on blocks. Ill take Lindell and a NFLE K.

[kevinj22]

You can never gauge what a dome kicker will do having to deal with the elements. That's like saying a guy playing for the Colorado Rockies is a great homerun hitter. You just don't know

[Dozerdog]

Feely gets 3 1/2 yards more per kickoff, and his FG% career-wise is only 1% better than Lindell.


For being a dome kicker- he seemed to struggle a lot from medium range.

Statistically, Lindell didn't have a terrible year, 2 of his 4 misses though were at inopportune times (Jacksonville game opener and Pittsburgh finale). The 14 games in between, I remember one hitting a wall of wind vs Miami in Buffalo, the only other miss was vs Miami in Miami.

Looking at the worst weather games this season at the Ralph-

10/17 vs Miami-

Game Day Weather
Game Weather: High Winds
Played Outdoor on Turf: AstroPlay Temp: 45° F (7.28° C), Wind: W 25 mph
Wind Chill: 35° F
Outdoor Weather: Forecast: continued Windy, chance of showers, high in the 40's.

2 of 3 FGs, missing from 40-49 into the wind, 2-2 on extra points
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10/31 vs Arizona


Game Weather: Showers, windy
Played Outdoor on Turf: AstroPlay Temp: 55° F (12.88° C), Humidity: 69%, Wind: W 21 mph
Outdoor Weather: Forecast: light showers, winds 20-30 mph, gusts to 40; temps in low 50s

1-1 FGs (Chip shot) 5-5 XP
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11/7 vs NY Jets


Game Day Weather
Game Weather: Mostly cloudy, windy
Played Outdoor on Turf: AstroPlay Temp: 55° F (12.88° C), Humidity: 60%, Wind: SW 25 mph
Outdoor Weather: Forecast: slight chance of shower, peeks of sun; winds gusting to 32; temps in mid-50s.

2-2 FGs from medium range, 2-2 XP

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11/21 Rams -

Game Day Weather
Game Weather: Partly cloudy
Played Outdoor on Turf: AstroPlay Temp: 50° F (10.08° C), Humidity: 74%, Wind: W 10 mph
Outdoor Weather: Forecast: temps in 50s, winds 10-15 mph

3-3 from medium range, 4-4 XP

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12/12 Browns

Game Day Weather
Game Weather: Light snow
Played Outdoor on Turf: AstroPlay Temp: 31° F (-0.56° C), Humidity: 56%, Wind: S 10 mph
Outdoor Weather: Forecast: continued light snow, winds S 15-20 mph, temps in mid-30s

3-3 from Medium Range, 4-4 XP

[Michael82]

Here is Lindell with his Seattle numbers
You know, looking at those stats...I'm all for giving Lindell another chance. If he stinks it up again, maybe they can cut him and pickup one of the rookie FAs.


It beats wasting a day 1 pick on a kicker, when we only have 2 currently.

[jpdex12]

How many years did we sign Lindell for?

[helmetguy]

"He's big for his size." Berra couldn't have said it better.

[willis_mchenry]

What's up with Jeff Reed? Sportsline has him as a restricted free agent, but how much could it cost us? He's young and I think would be a huge upgrade over Lindell.

KICKING

Year Team G 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Tot Lg Blk Pct XP XPG Pct
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers 6 0-0 5-5 5-5 6-7 1-2 17-19 50 0 89.5 10-11 10 90.9
2003 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 0-0 9-12 6-7 7-12 1-1 23-32 51 0 71.9 31-32 31 96.9
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 1-1 8-9 12-13 5-8 2-2 28-33 51 0 84.8 40-40 40 100.0
TOTAL 38 1-1 22-26 23-25 18-27 4-5 68-84 51 0 81.0 81-83 81 97.6

[Michael82]

What's up with Jeff Reed? Sportsline has him as a restricted free agent, but how much could it cost us? He's young and I think would be a huge upgrade over Lindell.

KICKING

Year Team G 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Tot Lg Blk Pct XP XPG Pct
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers 6 0-0 5-5 5-5 6-7 1-2 17-19 50 0 89.5 10-11 10 90.9
2003 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 0-0 9-12 6-7 7-12 1-1 23-32 51 0 71.9 31-32 31 96.9
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 1-1 8-9 12-13 5-8 2-2 28-33 51 0 84.8 40-40 40 100.0
TOTAL 38 1-1 22-26 23-25 18-27 4-5 68-84 51 0 81.0 81-83 81 97.6
Last time we signed a restricted FA, we got Lindell. I do really like Reed, but I don't know if he would cost too much or not.

[Jersey1031]

Last time we signed a restricted FA, we got Lindell. I do really like Reed, but I don't know if he would cost too much or not.


reed is awesome, i didnt even know he was a RFA...the steelers would def match our offer though

[jpdex12]

What's up with Jeff Reed? Sportsline has him as a restricted free agent, but how much could it cost us? He's young and I think would be a huge upgrade over Lindell.

KICKING

Year Team G 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Tot Lg Blk Pct XP XPG Pct
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers 6 0-0 5-5 5-5 6-7 1-2 17-19 50 0 89.5 10-11 10 90.9
2003 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 0-0 9-12 6-7 7-12 1-1 23-32 51 0 71.9 31-32 31 96.9
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 1-1 8-9 12-13 5-8 2-2 28-33 51 0 84.8 40-40 40 100.0
TOTAL 38 1-1 22-26 23-25 18-27 4-5 68-84 51 0 81.0 81-83 81 97.6
Good call! He is used to the weather that we get in Buffalo.

[Dozerdog]

An RFA would cost a pick depending on what tender was put out there.

[jamze132]

I will take Feeley over Lindel. They are both gonna miss all kinds of fieldgoals but at least Feeley has the ability to get a touchback. Unless we are going to grab Nugent in the 2nd, I would bring in Feeley.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

I'm no fan of Lindell, but I don't think that Feeley would be any better and Pittsburgh would probably match any offer for Reed. While Mike Nugent of Ohio State probably will be taken too high for the Bills to be able to spend a draft pick on him, there are a couple of other kickers coming out in this year's draft that kicked well outdoors in conditions not unlike those in Buffalo who might still be available on day two: Dave Rayner of Michigan State and Tyler Jones of Boise State. Here are their stats for last season:

FIELD GOALS FGM-FGA Pct 01-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-99 Lg Blk

Rayner, Dave (http://msuspartans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/rayner_dave00.html) 22-31 71.0 2-2 11-13 2-3 5-6 2-7 53 0

Jones, Tyler 24-27 88.9 0-0 10-10 9-10 5-6 0-1 48 0


While a lot of draft sites have Rayner ranked ahead of Jones, I saw Jones kick a number of times and I liked what I saw and, after kicking in Boise, he won't be intimidated in the least by the weather in Buffalo. Some draft experts rank Jonathan Nichols of Mississippi right up there with or above Rayner and Jones, but he kicked in better conditions that they did, as did Rhys Lloyd from Minnesota, another PK rated as a possible Day Two draft pick, who kicked mostly in a dome.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Bills spend a Day Two pick on either Rayner or Jones, if they are still available, to compete with Lindell.

[TigerJ]

Feely had a great year in 2002. Otherwise his percentages are not that impressive. The touchbacks are impressive though.

I've been advocating Dave Rayner ore Joe Rheem as alternatives to Lindell, or drafting Nugent high. I think either one of them could fit the bill.

[Mr. Cynical]

What about Lindell's kickoff averages?

[Dozerdog]

You will be hard pressed to find a lot of FG kickers in this league that hit on an 86% clip like Lindell did last year. Find me one that has that % who is available- and can nail kickoffs into the endzone too.

One's a dome kicker, one isnt- the dome guy gets an extra 3.5 yards per kickoff. I don't see what's so special about him.

[BuffaloRanger]

In the last few years how much have the Bills 2nd or 3rd round picks contributed in their first season? Kelsy? Crowell? Denney? Anderson?

"Wasting" an early pick on a guy like Nugent gives you a player that will play every game and contribute points in his rookie season. He is the only kicker I'd want th Bills to select on Day 1. I still want the Bills to select a Center early. Move Teague to benchwarmer - not LT.

[jpdex12]

You will be hard pressed to find a lot of FG kickers in this league that hit on an 86% clip like Lindell did last year. Find me one that has that % who is available- and can nail kickoffs into the endzone too.

One's a dome kicker, one isnt- the dome guy gets an extra 3.5 yards per kickoff. I don't see what's so special about him.
86% doesn't mean much when you can't hit a kick beyond the forty!

[Mr. Cynical]

86% doesn't mean much when you can't hit a kick beyond the forty!True...his average from 40-49 since coming to Buffalo has been 4-10 (40%). You can blame the winds, but Christie was 70% from 40-49 in his career here.

[Dozerdog]

All I got to say is this guy better be the second coming of christ if we are spending a day 1 pick on him.

[Mr. Cynical]

All I got to say is this guy better be the second coming of christ if we are spending a day 1 pick on him.
Draft pick? I thought this was about Lindell and Feely. Did you mean Nugent? If so, I agree. I don't want to spend a day 1 pick on a kicker. Lindell may not be very good but I'd rather spend that pick on someone else. I dont' think TD will do it anyway so no need to worry. :smile:

[jpdex12]

True...his average from 40-49 since coming to Buffalo has been 4-10 (40%). You can blame the winds, but Christie was 70% from 40-49 in his career here.Good call Mr. Cynical! I knew Christie had to have decent stats here in Buffalo and I know Norwood did. Comparing Lindell to either of the two makes him look like a one legged totally blind kicker. Hell, if the Andersen boys are still kicking we should be able to lure Norwood out of retirement.

[Dozerdog]

Draft pick? I thought this was about Lindell and Feely. Did you mean Nugent? If so, I agree. I don't want to spend a day 1 pick on a kicker. Lindell may not be very good but I'd rather spend that pick on someone else. I dont' think TD will do it anyway so no need to worry. :smile:
I was talking to Ranger

[Dozerdog]

Giants | Feely Agrees to Deal - from www.KFFL.com
Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:07:18 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the New York Giants have reached a contract agreement with free agent PK Jay Feely (Falcons). Terms of the deal were undisclosed.

[Typ0]

I have no idea why Lindell is still on this team. He might be able to change the mental problem he has about chocking on really big kicks...that much might be worth a chance on him. But NOTHING is going to change the fact that he consitently SUCKS on kickoffs and once and a while gets a good one to up his averages. I'm so sick of seeing the opposition catch the ball on the 12 or 15 and run it back outside the 30. I want a kicker that gets it down near the goal-line EVERY time. That field position has been killing us for defensive series and offensive possessions. If Moorman wasn't totally awesome like he is we would be so screwed it's not funny.

We are loosing too much opportunity because of the kick-offs. Can you imagine how much better it would be for our coverage if they could count on where the ball is going to be?

[Typ0]

I also would add just because a guy got a job in a dome doesn't mean he needs the dome to succeed.

[Dozerdog]

I also would add just because a guy got a job in a dome doesn't mean he needs the dome to succeed.
That's just it- Feely sucked in the dome. that was the point.

[jpdex12]

Giants | Feely Agrees to Deal - from www.KFFL.com (http://www.kffl.com/)
Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:07:18 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the New York Giants have reached a contract agreement with free agent PK Jay Feely (Falcons). Terms of the deal were undisclosed.That brings a close to this thread!