Which O-linemen would you prefer in the draft?

**Sportsuser101** · 03-06-2005, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by mysticsoto

Who do you believe realistically will be available for our 2nd and 3rd rds that we might choose for O-linemen? If you don't believe we will use both for an O-lineman pick, just choose 2nd only or 3rd only...

Top 15 OTs:

1.	Alex Barron	Florida St.	6-7^1/2	320	5.10
2.	Jammal Brown	Oklahoma	6-5^7/8	316	5.06
3.	Khalif Barnes	Washington	6-5^3/4	305	4.93
4.	Adam Terry	Syracuse	6-8	330	5.31
5.	Chris Colmer	North Carolina St.	6-5^1/4	310	5.10
6.	Jeremy Parquet	Southern Miss	6-6^3/4	323	5.25
7.	Wesley Britt	Alabama	6-8	314	5.00
8.	Ray Willis	Florida St.	6-5^5/8	327	5.10
9.	Michael Munoz	Tennessee	6-5^1/2	306	5.20
10.	Pete McMahon	Iowa	6-7^5/8	329	5.40
11.	Michael Roos	Eastern Washington	6-5^5/8	320	5.20
12.	David Stewart	Mississippi St.	6-6^1/2	314	5.25
13.	Rob Petitti	Pittsburgh	6-5^7/8	347	5.10
14.	Nick Kaczur	Toledo	6-5	305	5.10
15.	Adam Kieft	Central Michigan	6-7^1/4	337	5.47

Top 15 OG:

1.	David Baas	Michigan	6-4^1/2	319	5.09
2.	Elton Brown	Virginia	6-4^7/8	329	5.05
3.	Marcus Johnson	Ole Miss	6-6^1/2	321	5.60
4.	Evan Mathis	Alabama	6-5^1/4	304	4.91
5.	Logan Mankins	Fresno St.	6-4^1/8	307	5.10
6.	Dan Buenning	Wisconsin	6-3^7/8	320	5.22
7.	Chris Kemoeatu	Utah	6-3^1/2	344	5.25
8.	Adam Snyder	Oregon	6-5^3/8	316	5.20
9.	C.J. Brooks	Maryland	6-5^1/2	309	5.13
10.	Claude Terrell	New Mexico	6-2^1/4	343	5.38
11.	Chris Myers	Miami (FL)	6-4^5/8	300	5.15
12.	Jonathan Clinkscale	Wisconsin	6-2^1/4	315	5.53
13.	Scott Young	B.Y.U.	6-3^5/8	312	4.93
14.	Wes Sims	Oklahoma	6-5	318	5.35
15.	Cedric Johnson	Clemson	6-4	325	5.25

Top 10 Centers:

1.	Chris Spencer	Ole Miss	6-4	310	5.10
2.	Ben Wilkerson	L.S.U.	6-4	298	5.00
3.	Jason Brown	North Carolina	6-3	312	5.25
4.	Scott Mruczkowski	Bowling Green	6-4	319	5.10
5.	Richie Incognito	Nebraska	6-3	300	5.20
6.	Eric Ghiaciuc	Central Michigan	6-3	294	4.98
7.	Vince Carter	Oklahoma	6-3	294	4.85
8.	Geoff Hangartner	Texas A&M	6-5	310	5.45
9.	Rob Hunt	North Dakota St.	6-4	289	4.89
10.	Junius Coston	North Carolina A&T	6-3	305	5.15

Personally, I'd like:

2nd Rd: Chris Spencer - C
3rd Rd: Wesley Britt - OT

Unless Barron, Brown, or Terry are there in the 2nd round I wouldn't take a tackle in the 3rd. We already have a bunch of projects for the o-line we don't need another 1 (Britt). I like Spencer alot and I think he would be very good at LG for us.

**Dozerdog** · 03-06-2005, 11:53 AM

I'd like to get Terry- if he's still there- at #2, maybe Incognito-C on Day 2. We will need to spend a day 1 Pick on a decent CB as Clements insurance, or if a good DT slips to us, I'd grab one of those.

....but it all depends on what we grab in free agency before the draft

**Crisis** · 03-06-2005, 11:55 AM

I like Khalif Barnes. No way he lasts to our pick, though.

Personally, I'd rather use FA to fill the line needs. The linemen in this draft flat-out suck compared to other years.

**Dozerdog** · 03-06-2005, 11:57 AM

Last year was a brutal year for linemen. Most of them went in rds 6-7 or undrafted, where a lot of draft boards had the same guys going in rds 3-6.

**jpdex12** · 03-06-2005, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by mysticsoto

Who do you believe realistically will be available for our 2nd and 3rd rds that we might choose for O-linemen? If you don't believe we will use both for an O-lineman pick, just choose 2nd only or 3rd only...

Top 15 OTs:

1.	Alex Barron	Florida St.	6-7^1/2	320	5.10
2.	Jammal Brown	Oklahoma	6-5^7/8	316	5.06
3.	Khalif Barnes	Washington	6-5^3/4	305	4.93
4.	Adam Terry	Syracuse	6-8	330	5.31
5.	Chris Colmer	North Carolina St.	6-5^1/4	310	5.10
6.	Jeremy Parquet	Southern Miss	6-6^3/4	323	5.25
7.	Wesley Britt	Alabama	6-8	314	5.00
8.	Ray Willis	Florida St.	6-5^5/8	327	5.10
9.	Michael Munoz	Tennessee	6-5^1/2	306	5.20
10.	Pete McMahon	Iowa	6-7^5/8	329	5.40
11.	Michael Roos	Eastern Washington	6-5^5/8	320	5.20
12.	David Stewart	Mississippi St.	6-6^1/2	314	5.25
13.	Rob Petitti	Pittsburgh	6-5^7/8	347	5.10
14.	Nick Kaczur	Toledo	6-5	305	5.10
15.	Adam Kieft	Central Michigan	6-7^1/4	337	5.47

Top 15 OG:

1.	David Baas	Michigan	6-4^1/2	319	5.09
2.	Elton Brown	Virginia	6-4^7/8	329	5.05
3.	Marcus Johnson	Ole Miss	6-6^1/2	321	5.60
4.	Evan Mathis	Alabama	6-5^1/4	304	4.91
5.	Logan Mankins	Fresno St.	6-4^1/8	307	5.10
6.	Dan Buenning	Wisconsin	6-3^7/8	320	5.22
7.	Chris Kemoeatu	Utah	6-3^1/2	344	5.25
8.	Adam Snyder	Oregon	6-5^3/8	316	5.20
9.	C.J. Brooks	Maryland	6-5^1/2	309	5.13
10.	Claude Terrell	New Mexico	6-2^1/4	343	5.38
11.	Chris Myers	Miami (FL)	6-4^5/8	300	5.15
12.	Jonathan Clinkscale	Wisconsin	6-2^1/4	315	5.53
13.	Scott Young	B.Y.U.	6-3^5/8	312	4.93
14.	Wes Sims	Oklahoma	6-5	318	5.35
15.	Cedric Johnson	Clemson	6-4	325	5.25

Top 10 Centers:

1.	Chris Spencer	Ole Miss	6-4	310	5.10
2.	Ben Wilkerson	L.S.U.	6-4	298	5.00
3.	Jason Brown	North Carolina	6-3	312	5.25
4.	Scott Mruczkowski	Bowling Green	6-4	319	5.10
5.	Richie Incognito	Nebraska	6-3	300	5.20
6.	Eric Ghiaciuc	Central Michigan	6-3	294	4.98
7.	Vince Carter	Oklahoma	6-3	294	4.85
8.	Geoff Hangartner	Texas A&M	6-5	310	5.45
9.	Rob Hunt	North Dakota St.	6-4	289	4.89
10.	Junius Coston	North Carolina A&T	6-3	305	5.15

Personally, I'd like:

2nd Rd: Chris Spencer - C
3rd Rd: Wesley Britt - OT

I would say that #4 through #15 will be left in the second round for OT and the same for OG. #3 and on for Centers. I would grab Wilkerson or Terry with the second round pick. Probably Terry first as we need LT help immediately. CB with third round pick, then O-line help with 4th rounder.

**Akhippo** · 03-06-2005, 03:40 PM

Spencer in the second and Munoz in the third.

**LifetimeBillsFan** · 03-06-2005, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Akhippo

Spencer in the second and Munoz in the third.

Depending on what they do in free agency and with T.Henry, I would pretty much agree with this. Spencer or Wilkerson would allow Teague to move over to LT. Grabbing Munoz would be really interesting because Coach McNally was his father's O-line coach in Cincinnatti and they probably know one another already.

**Mr. Cynical** · 03-06-2005, 04:57 PM

Spencer. Get TT out of there. He is not good enough to start at C if we are to truly improve the line.

**TigerJ** · 03-06-2005, 05:06 PM

I think the Bills would work with anyone from Khalif Barnes to Wesley Britt on that list of tackles and turn him into a passable starting left tackle. Barron and Brown will both be gone, as will some from Barnes to Britt. A couple of them will be left though. I think Parquet will still be around as will Colmer because of health questions.

I don't see the Bills drafting a guard after the signing of Mike Gandy. They wont draft a center in round two, but might in round three or four. Any of the top seven could probably eventually start. If the Bills can deal with the temper, Incognito sounds as if he has great upside and could be a bargain a bit later in the draft.

**Sportsuser101** · 03-06-2005, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Cynical

Spencer. Get TT out of there. He is not good enough to start at C if we are to truly improve the line.

Because he's given up less sacks and penalties then Birk, Kreutz, Bentley and Mawae in the last 2 years or just because the perception is that he su(ks?

**Mr. Cynical** · 03-06-2005, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Sportsuser101

Because he's given up less sacks and penalties then Birk, Kreutz, Bentley and Mawae in the last 2 years or just because the perception is that he su(ks?

It's not perception, he is an average C at best IMO. I have never seen him manhandle anyone or anchor the guards in any way but average.

Just curious, do you have stat links for the assertions you made about him vs. the other centers? Also funny that you threw Kreutz in there...their offense was dead last in the league. I could have beaten his stat line.

**Sportsuser101** · 03-06-2005, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Cynical

It's not perception, he is an average C at best IMO. I have never seen him manhandle anyone or anchor the guards in any way but average.

Just curious, do you have stat links for the assertions you made about him vs. the other centers? Also funny that you threw Kreutz in there...their offense was dead last in the league. I could have beaten his stat line.

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/...4429&Submit=Go

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4402

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=2826

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=4474

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/playerstats.asp?id=5930&Submit=Go

I mean I can understand that because he was so bad at LT that the perception is that he is bad at center. Its awfully tough to watch a center on TV unless your either tivo'ng it or watching game film from sky vision so I mean I really don't think all the people (not saying you) that have said that TT is average can really evaluate him in a fair way. Its kind of like OJ Simpson.. after a while he actually started believing that he didn't kill his wife. After a while you just start believing it if it said enough.

I'd figure I throw Kreutz in there because of his "probowl status" and that he is 1 of the best centers in the league.

I'm not trying to point you out specifically because I've seen you post and you seem like a very intelligent poster but I just felt like nobody is giving Teague credit for being a good center.

I would like to draft Spencer because of his versatility. He can play the guard positions and center. I love that about Tucker and Teague that if worse comes to work they can play the 2 guard positions and center position.

**Dozerdog** · 03-06-2005, 08:16 PM

Centers are the lowest paid and lowest drafted position on the line for a reason- It requires less physical skills/talent to be adequate at that position.

Remember everyone drooling over Jeff Faine- taken one spot ahead of McGahee? Cleveland is thinking of cutting the guy- or at least demoting him.

Teague isn't that bad- he draws attention because of occasional bad shotgun snaps/mishaps when he had the "spry" Bledsoe back there.

Teague is valuable because if the OL gets hit hard with Injury, you could plug him in almost anywhere. You pay him a little more so you don't have to carry another OL backup talking a roster spot.

**Typ0** · 03-06-2005, 09:45 PM

You really hit the nail on the head dozer...I have seen teague be a very valuable player on this team because of his flexibility...not he's not a great showman but he does do a decent job.

Which O-linemen would you prefer in the draft?

Which O-linemen would you prefer in the draft?

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