Idiot from Lions board

[Sportsuser101]

<!--StartFragment --> Roster Comparision
QB Harrington or Lossman: Advantage LIONS
RB Jones or McGahee: EVEN
FB Schlesinger or Shelton: Advantage LIONS
WR R Williams or Moulds: Advantage LIONS
WR C Rogers or Evens: EVEN
TE M Pollard or Campbell: Advantage LIONS
Oline: Advatage LIONS
DT S Rogers or Sam Adams: Advantage LIONS
DT D WIlkonson or Edwards: Advantage LIONS
DE Hall or Kelsay: Advantage LIONS
DE Redding or Schobel: Advantage BILLS
OLB Baily or Spikes: Advantage BILLS
MLB Holmes or Fletcher: Advantage BILLS
OLB Lehman or Posey: Advantage LIONS
CB Bly or McGee: Advantage LIONS
CB Bryant or Clements: EVEN
SS Kennedy or Milloy: Advantage BILLS
FS Marion or Vincent: EVEN
K Hanson or Lindell: Advantage LIONS
P Harris or Moorman: EVEN


Too funny. I couldn't stop laughing. I didn't even know where to begin.

[Carlton Bailey]

What a total idiot.

[Carlton Bailey]

Fernando Bryant even with Nate Clements? How dumb is this person. Some guy named Harris even with Moorman? Is this guy ******ed?

[Sportsuser101]

He doesn't have the right positions either. He has LDE compared to RDE. WOLB to SOLB. LCB to RCB. Not to mention he doesn't know how to spell.

[Jersey1031]

Fernando Bryant even with Nate Clements? How dumb is this person. Some guy named Harris even with Moorman? Is this guy ******ed?


and mcgahee is alot better then jones...this guys a moron. why was he randomly comparing us to them anyway?

[Carlton Bailey]

and mcgahee is alot better then jones...this guys a moron. why was he randomly comparing us to them anyway?
Yeah I forgot to mention McGahee's superiority over Jones. He's probably comparing the 2 teams because of Rick Demulling. Where would he be better off? How could this guy have them better at more positions when we went 9-7 in a great conference and they went 6-10 in one of the worst conferences in NFL history. We may have gone to the Super Bowl if we were in the NFC.

[Sportsuser101]

and mcgahee is alot better then jones...this guys a moron. why was he randomly comparing us to them anyway?
This same fan said that the Lions were better then the Bills so thats why DeMulling would go to the Lions. So some Bills fan responded and said that was a stupid statement or whatever he said. The fan then went on to compare the 2 teams and there we have the laugh of the day. Enjoy.. I sure did.

This was my comparison. I combined the positions.

<!--StartFragment -->Losman v Harrington - Edge Lions because he has played games

McGahee vs Jones - Edge Bills

Shelton vs Schlesinger - Edge Bills and its not close

Moulds/Evans vs Williams/Rogers - Edge Bills

Campbell vs Pollard - Edge Lions but you have to take the Manning factor into account

Bills o line vs Lions o line - Edge Lions

Bills st vs Lions st - Edge Bills

DT Adams/Edwards vs Rogers/Wilkinson - Edge Bills

DE Schobel/Kelsay vs Hall/Redding - Edge Bills

LB Spikes/Fletcher/Posey vs Lehman/Holmes/Davis - Edge Bills

CB Clements/McGee vs Bly/Bryant - Edge Bills

S Vincent/Milloy vs Marion/Kennedy - Edge Bills

K Lindell vs Hansen - Edge Lions

P Moorman vs Harris - Edge Bills

[Jersey1031]

This was my comparison. I combined the positions.

<!--StartFragment -->Losman v Harrington - Edge Lions because he has played games

McGahee vs Jones - Edge Bills

Shelton vs Schlesinger - Edge Bills and its not close

Moulds/Evans vs Williams/Rogers - Edge Bills

Campbell vs Pollard - Edge Lions but you have to take the Manning factor into account

Bills o line vs Lions o line - Edge Lions

Bills st vs Lions st - Edge Bills

DT Adams/Edwards vs Rogers/Wilkinson - Edge Bills

DE Schobel/Kelsay vs Hall/Redding - Edge Bills

LB Spikes/Fletcher/Posey vs Lehman/Holmes/Davis - Edge Bills

CB Clements/McGee vs Bly/Bryant - Edge Bills

S Vincent/Milloy vs Marion/Kennedy - Edge Bills

K Lindell vs Hansen - Edge Lions

P Moorman vs Harris - Edge Bills



i agree with all but the WR's. id say they are at least even. when healthy williams and rogers will be a deadly tandom.

[Sportsuser101]

i agree with all but the WR's. id say they are at least even. when healthy williams and rogers will be a deadly tandom.
The reason I gave the edge to the Bills is because of Moulds still being 1 of the best WRs in the league and Evans having as good of a rookie year as Roy did.

[Carlton Bailey]

The reason I gave the edge to the Bills is because of Moulds still being 1 of the best WRs in the league and Evans having as good of a rookie year as Roy did.
Not to mention the fact that Charlie Rogers has played like 6 games in 2 years.

[dannyek71]

how can anyone even say anything about JP now compared to anyone else?

[Crisis]

Got a link?

[Brad528]

I hate to say i would have to agree with him. Every single player he put as an advantage for the Lions is an advantage for the Lions i dont know how you could agrue. Maybe not to much of an advantage but to call him an idiot is just childish and inaccurate

[Brad528]

and mcgahee is alot better then jones...this guys a moron. why was he randomly comparing us to them anyway?How do you figure. Wait till they both get a whole year under there belts to jump to that assumption. JOnes made the pro bowl for gods sake as a rookie..

[buffmaniac]

I think offensively us and the Lions are pretty close. We both have some young talent (McGahee/Evans, Jones/Williams) but we both also have unproven QBs.

But defensively its not even close. We were #2 in defense last year and they were #22.

[Jersey1031]

How do you figure. Wait till they both get a whole year under there belts to jump to that assumption. JOnes made the pro bowl for gods sake as a rookie..



the best running backs are in the afc, enough said

[Sportsuser101]

How do you figure. Wait till they both get a whole year under there belts to jump to that assumption. JOnes made the pro bowl for gods sake as a rookie..
Really? He made the probowl? Must have missed it.

[Jersey1031]

How do you figure. Wait till they both get a whole year under there belts to jump to that assumption. JOnes made the pro bowl for gods sake as a rookie..

NFC PRO BOWL ROSTER
OFFENSE (21) STARTERS RESERVES
Wide receivers (4) Muhsin Muhammad, CAR
Joe Horn, NO Javon Walker, GB
Torry Holt, STL##
Terrell Owens, PHI (injured)
Tackles (3) Walter Jones, SEA
Orlando Pace, STL Flozell Adams, DAL##
Tra Thomas, PHI (injured)
Guards (3) Larry Allen, DAL
Marco Rivera, GB Steve Hutchinson, SEA
Centers (2) Olin Kreutz, CHI Matt Birk, MIN
Tight ends (2) Alge Crumpler, ATL Jason Witten, DAL
Quarterbacks (3) Donovan McNabb, PHI Daunte Culpepper, MIN
Michael Vick, ATL
Running backs (3) Tiki Barber, NYG Ahman Green, GB
Brian Westbrook, PHI##
Shaun Alexander, SEA (injured)
Fullback (1) William Henderson, GB
DEFENSE (17) STARTERS RESERVES
Defensive ends (3) Bertrand Berry, ARI
Julius Peppers, CAR Patrick Kerney, ATL
Interior linemen (3) La'Roi Glover, DAL
Shaun Rogers, DET Kevin Williams, MIN
Outside linebackers (3) Keith Brooking, ATL
Marcus Washington, WAS Mark Fields, CAR ##
Derrick Brooks, TB (injured)
Inside linebackers (2) Dan Morgan, CAR Jeremiah Trotter, PHI
Cornerbacks (3) Ronde Barber, TB
Lito Sheppard, PHI Dre Bly, DET
Strong safeties (1) Michael Lewis, PHI
Free safety (2) Brian Dawkins, PHI Roy Williams, DAL
SPECIALISTS (4) PLAYERS
Punter Mitch Berger, NO
Placekicker David Akers, PHI
Kick return specialist Allen Rossum, ATL ##
Eddie Drummond, DET (injured)
Special teamer Ike Reese, PHI
Long snapper Brian Jennings, SF (need player)



may just be my eyes, but i dont see jones...

[buffmaniac]

Jones is a good back and he did have a good year. I think he had 1100yds 5tds and 4.7yd/carry.

But McGahee is something special IMO. In 11 starts last year he had 7 - 100 yard games and 13tds. And he wasn't even 100% last season. I can't wait to see him this year. Best stiff-arm in football.

[Jersey1031]

Jones is a good back and he did have a good year. I think he had 1100yds 5tds and 4.7yd/carry.

But McGahee is something special IMO. In 11 starts last year he had 7 - 100 yard games and 13tds. And he wasn't even 100% last season. I can't wait to see him this year. Best stiff-arm in football.


oh yea deinitley, i never said jones wasnt a good back, and he could have a bright future. but mcgahee is the better of the two

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Just because a kid (I assume) loves his team he is an idiot? I am glad the kid has that much love for his own team.

[Forward_Lateral]

I hate to say it, but I give Detroits DT's an advantage over ours. Big Baby (Rogers) and Big Daddy (Wilkinson) played very well. If we had Pat still, it would be a different story.

Kevin Jones is sick. Just because we love Willis, doesn't mean another RB from another team can't be as good as him. I'm not saying Jones is, but he doesn't suck like some are making him out to.

How he can say Charles Rogers is anything, I don't know. He's played 4 games in 2 years, if anything, he's a bust. I'll take Moulds and Evans any day.

The only things I see the Lions having a clear advantage over the Bills are:

Kicker (even though Hanson is about 100 years old)
DT (see above)
DE (Hall had 12 sacks in 2004)
O-Line (if they get Demulling over us, if not, advantage us)

That's it. I don't see how any Lions fan can say Harrington is better than Losman, 99% of Lions fans hate Joey and wanted him benched, even when he had a 90 + QB rating.

Unfortunately, I live about 45 minutes from Detroit, and all I hear about during football season is the Lions, and every game is televised. I follow them quite a bit, and I honestly think they will win anywhere from 7-10 games next season.

[Sportsuser101]

Just because a kid (I assume) loves his team he is an idiot? I am glad the kid has that much love for his own team.
When you say that Fernando Bryant and Nate Clements are even then yes he is an idiot.

[Forward_Lateral]

When you say that Fernando Bryant and Nate Clements are even then yes he is an idiot.

I MIGHT say Dre Ble is even with Nate, but I really don't think Ble is as good as he once was. Nate is on the uprise, while Ble is on the decline.

[footballhottie]

He doesn't have the right positions either. He has LDE compared to RDE. WOLB to SOLB. LCB to RCB. Not to mention he doesn't know how to spell. ouch dont kick spelling....

[Carlton Bailey]

Here's my opinion:

QB- Even. Harrington has been a bust and we don't know about Losman yet.

RB- Bills. Jones was terrific last year but in the long run, McGahee will be the best back in the NFL for a while. Jones will be a top 10 back maybe. He's not as great of a playmaker as Willis.

FB- Bills. Shelton is far better than Schlesinger.

WR- Bills. Evans and Roy Williams are even and Moulds is better than Rogers. They lost Tai Streets as well. Hakim is better than our 3rd but Moulds blows Rogers away.

TE- Lions. Pollard is elite, Campbell and Company are not there yet.

OL- Bills. I'm going on the assumption that we get Rick Demulling and that would make our line better than theirs. They lose a tackle in Stockar McDougle, we gain a great guard and lose an overrated tackle in Jonas Jennings.

DE- Bills. Kelsay and Schobel are better than Hall and Redding any day of the week.

DT- Lions. Rogers and Wilkinson are elite. Adams is better than both but Edwards/Anderson are unproven.

LB- Bills. Spikes is the best LB in the game in my mind and Fletcher is elite. Posey is a solid player. Their core of Bailey, Lehman, and I think Earl Holmes is good but not even close to Buffalo.

CB- Even. Clements is far better than Bryant but Bly makes up for it vs. McGee.

S- Bills. Milloy and Vincent are far better than Marion and Walker.

K- Lions. Hanson is very solid, Lindell is very shaky.

P- Bills. Moorman is the best in the NFL, Harris isn't even close.

KR- Even. McGee and Drummond are both great returners.

Coaching- Bills. Mariucci is very good but I think Mularkey proved he was elite last season. The rest of our coaching staff is amazing, theirs isn't that amazing.

There you have it.

Bills- 9
Lions- 3
Even- 3

[sdbillsfan1]

Has everyone lost sight that Detriot still plays in the N.F.C. ???? Kind of like comparing HighSchool (NFC)to college ....(AFC)..! I wonder what these guys would do if the switched conf. for a year ! It's alot more difficult playing the Pats then it is Chicago twice a year ! hands down .....Buffalo win this one !!!
GO BILLS!

[Sportsuser101]

I hate to say it, but I give Detroits DT's an advantage over ours. Big Baby (Rogers) and Big Daddy (Wilkinson) played very well. If we had Pat still, it would be a different story.

Kevin Jones is sick. Just because we love Willis, doesn't mean another RB from another team can't be as good as him. I'm not saying Jones is, but he doesn't suck like some are making him out to.

How he can say Charles Rogers is anything, I don't know. He's played 4 games in 2 years, if anything, he's a bust. I'll take Moulds and Evans any day.

The only things I see the Lions having a clear advantage over the Bills are:

Kicker (even though Hanson is about 100 years old)
DT (see above)
DE (Hall had 12 sacks in 2004)
O-Line (if they get Demulling over us, if not, advantage us)

That's it. I don't see how any Lions fan can say Harrington is better than Losman, 99% of Lions fans hate Joey and wanted him benched, even when he had a 90 + QB rating.

Unfortunately, I live about 45 minutes from Detroit, and all I hear about during football season is the Lions, and every game is televised. I follow them quite a bit, and I honestly think they will win anywhere from 7-10 games next season.
Not sure I agree with the DTs but I admit it is close.

Adams 40 tackles 5 sacks 1 INT 0 FF
Rogers 68 tackles 4 sacks 0 INT 0 FF

I'd call it about even as far as those 2 DTs.

Edwards 21 tackles 4 sacks 0 INT 0 FF (only started 1 game)
Wilkinson 23 tackles 1 1/2 sacks 0 INT 0 FF (started all 16 games)

Edge goes to Edwards even with just starting 1 game.

Thats why I'd give the edge to the Bills but its close.


As for the Willis/Jones debate I think Willis is better and the #s do show that. I'm not saying Jones sucks but he's not better then Willis.


DE I admit it is close again.

Schobel 73 tackles 8 sacks 0 INT 5 FF
Hall 48 tackles 11 1/2 sacks 1 INT 4 FF

I'd call it about even again.

Kelsay 37 tackles 4 1/2 sacks 1 INT 1 FF
Redding 40 tackles 3 sacks 0 INT 1 FF

Slight edge to Kelsay.

Again its close but I'd give the edge to the Bills in both of those.


Kicker and o-line I won't dispute because I agree with along with TE.

[Samphin1]

This same fan said that the Lions were better then the Bills so thats why DeMulling would go to the Lions. So some Bills fan responded and said that was a stupid statement or whatever he said. The fan then went on to compare the 2 teams and there we have the laugh of the day. Enjoy.. I sure did.

This was my comparison. I combined the positions.

<!--StartFragment -->Losman v Harrington - Edge Lions because he has played games

McGahee vs Jones - Edge Bills

Shelton vs Schlesinger - Edge Bills and its not close

Moulds/Evans vs Williams/Rogers - Edge Bills

Campbell vs Pollard - Edge Lions but you have to take the Manning factor into account

Bills o line vs Lions o line - Edge Lions

Bills st vs Lions st - Edge Bills

DT Adams/Edwards vs Rogers/Wilkinson - Edge Bills

DE Schobel/Kelsay vs Hall/Redding - Edge Bills

LB Spikes/Fletcher/Posey vs Lehman/Holmes/Davis - Edge Bills

CB Clements/McGee vs Bly/Bryant - Edge Bills

S Vincent/Milloy vs Marion/Kennedy - Edge Bills

K Lindell vs Hansen - Edge Lions

P Moorman vs Harris - Edge Bills


MY only bones of contention here are at the safety spot and fullbakc spot. Kennedy and Marion are going to be a deadly safety tandem. Shelton and Schlesinger may be more even than you think as well. Other than that, it looks pretty spot on. Much better than his list.

[Forward_Lateral]

MY only bones of contention here are at the safety spot and fullbakc spot. Kennedy and Marion are going to be a deadly safety tandem. Shelton and Schlesinger may be more even than you think as well. Other than that, it looks pretty spot on. Much better than his list.

What are Milloy and Vincent, chopped liver?

I agree with the Schlesinger statement, I don't know why everyone thinks he's no good. He's a darn good FB, and should've made the probowl a few times already, he lost out to Alstott.

[Bill Brasky]

QB Harrington or Lossman: Advantage LIONS - Harrington hasn't done anything with his career yet
RB Jones or McGahee: EVEN
FB Schlesinger or Shelton: Advantage LIONS
WR R Williams or Moulds: Advantage LIONS - moron
WR C Rogers or Evens: EVEN
TE M Pollard or Campbell: Advantage LIONS
Oline: Advatage LIONS
DT S Rogers or Sam Adams: Advantage LIONS
DT D WIlkonson or Edwards: Advantage LIONS
DE Hall or Kelsay: Advantage LIONS
DE Redding or Schobel: Advantage BILLS
OLB Baily or Spikes: Advantage BILLS
MLB Holmes or Fletcher: Advantage BILLS
OLB Lehman or Posey: Advantage LIONS - :huh:
CB Bly or McGee: Advantage LIONS
CB Bryant or Clements: EVEN - idiot
SS Kennedy or Milloy: Advantage BILLS
FS Marion or Vincent: EVEN
K Hanson or Lindell: Advantage LIONS
P Harris or Moorman: EVEN - probably the funniest one

[Sportsuser101]

What are Milloy and Vincent, chopped liver?

I agree with the Schlesinger statement, I don't know why everyone thinks he's no good. He's a darn good FB, and should've made the probowl a few times already, he lost out to Alstott.
I never said Schles wasn't good. I think he's very good but last year Shelton was the best fullback in the league imo. Grant it I didn't see every play of every other team but from what I've seen I would say he was.

[Throne Logic]

Hmmm. Does anyone else find it a bit unsettling that so many folks are spending so much time trying to make the argument that Buffalo is better than Detroit?

All things considered here, that doesn't speak so well for Buffalo, does it.

[Sportsuser101]

Hmmm. Does anyone else find it a bit unsettling that so many folks are spending so much time trying to make the argument that Buffalo is better than Detroit?

All things considered here, that doesn't speak so well for Buffalo, does it.
What else is there to do?

[Samphin1]

What are Milloy and Vincent, chopped liver?

I agree with the Schlesinger statement, I don't know why everyone thinks he's no good. He's a darn good FB, and should've made the probowl a few times already, he lost out to Alstott.


No, they aren't choppe dliver but Vincent is a recently converted CB who was injured for about half the year last year correct? Also, Milloy is good, but he is no where as good as people make him out to be. He is a product of New England's system. Just like Tebucky Jones ( great hitter but needs the right system ), and people will soon realize the same about Ty Law. New England threw wide receivers into their secondary and people they literally signed off the street before the playoffs and still won the championship. They have a great system that players look better than their individual talents really are.

Lawyer Milloy is a perfect example of this.

Marion has been a great safety for years on mulitple teams and Kennedy has layed the plunder on many a wideout. We may have to disagree on this one, but I think the Lions have a better starting safety squad. When it comes to overall DB's though, it is closer.

[TigerJ]

It's too early to do any kind of comparison of Losman to any other QB, unless you're looking at style issues. It will be a little bit of a pleasant surprise to see Losman have a really good season just because it is a little unusual for first time starters to do so, especially if they are young.

As far as just about everything else is concerned this Detroit fans assessment of Detroit being superior at nearly every spot begs the question, why did Buffalo have the better record? It certainly wasn't because Drew Bledsoe was winning games for us.

[Sportsuser101]

No, they aren't choppe dliver but Vincent is a recently converted CB who was injured for about half the year last year correct? Also, Milloy is good, but he is no where as good as people make him out to be. He is a product of New England's system. Just like Tebucky Jones ( great hitter but needs the right system ), and people will soon realize the same about Ty Law. New England threw wide receivers into their secondary and people they literally signed off the street before the playoffs and still won the championship. They have a great system that players look better than their individual talents really are.

Lawyer Milloy is a perfect example of this.

Marion has been a great safety for years on mulitple teams and Kennedy has layed the plunder on many a wideout. We may have to disagree on this one, but I think the Lions have a better starting safety squad. When it comes to overall DB's though, it is closer.
Milloy is a product of there system? Umm.. you might want to watch him next year.

Vincent is better then Marion. He can obviously cover better and he is a very good tackler even for a former CB.

IMO its not that close. Vincent and Milloy were all over the place when they played together at safety. 1 of if not the best safety tandem in the league.

[ShadowHawk7]

I hate to say i would have to agree with him. Every single player he put as an advantage for the Lions is an advantage for the Lions i dont know how you could agrue. Maybe not to much of an advantage but to call him an idiot is just childish and inaccurate

:crazy:

"So when did you start having this dream?"

Jones/McGahee I'd have to call even though, Jones also had a great rookie year.

[Samphin1]

Milloy is a product of there system? Umm.. you might want to watch him next year.

Vincent is better then Marion. He can obviously cover better and he is a very good tackler even for a former CB.

IMO its not that close. Vincent and Milloy were all over the place when they played together at safety. 1 of if not the best safety tandem in the league.


I would have to disagree, but we are entitled to our opinions and entitled to disagree. :peace: I would agree that Vincent is better at covering however, we are not talking about the corner position. Safety is a different responsiblity a lot of the times. Having seen Marion for years with Miami, I can honestly say that he is great. Granted, age is slowing him down some but pairing him up with Kennedy is a great move by Detroit.

Milloy is indeed a product of New England's system. He will never loko as good as when he played for New England. I suggest you go and look at him when he played for New England. He is good, but he isn't great. Marion and Kennedy are great safeties in my opinion. I give the dge here to Detroit.

If it makes you feel any better, I think Buffalo's safeties are far more superior to my beloved Phins safeties. Corners is a different story, but safeties yes.

[Sportsuser101]

I would have to disagree, but we are entitled to our opinions and entitled to disagree. :peace: I would agree that Vincent is better at covering however, we are not talking about the corner position. Safety is a different responsiblity a lot of the times. Having seen Marion for years with Miami, I can honestly say that he is great. Granted, age is slowing him down some but pairing him up with Kennedy is a great move by Detroit.

Milloy is indeed a product of New England's system. He will never loko as good as when he played for New England. I suggest you go and look at him when he played for New England. He is good, but he isn't great. Marion and Kennedy are great safeties in my opinion. I give the dge here to Detroit.

If it makes you feel any better, I think Buffalo's safeties are far more superior to my beloved Phins safeties. Corners is a different story, but safeties yes.
:roflmao:

[The King]

OK a couple of things here. The comparissons are all well and good but if we played DET last year we wouldve beat them by more than 20. We are a better team it doesnt matter where and who. One side note though Mooch has done a very good job quietly building a good football team, they are making great decisions in FA and in the draft and once DET gets a QB to work for them I would think they will have no problem winning their division.

[Forward_Lateral]

No, they aren't choppe dliver but Vincent is a recently converted CB who was injured for about half the year last year correct? Also, Milloy is good, but he is no where as good as people make him out to be. He is a product of New England's system. Just like Tebucky Jones ( great hitter but needs the right system ), and people will soon realize the same about Ty Law. New England threw wide receivers into their secondary and people they literally signed off the street before the playoffs and still won the championship. They have a great system that players look better than their individual talents really are.

Lawyer Milloy is a perfect example of this.

Marion has been a great safety for years on mulitple teams and Kennedy has layed the plunder on many a wideout. We may have to disagree on this one, but I think the Lions have a better starting safety squad. When it comes to overall DB's though, it is closer.

Marion didn't do squat for the Lions last year. I'll take Vincent and Milloy over Kennedy and Marion any day.

[DaBillzAhDaShiznit]

Of course as Bills fans we have the tendancy to think our guys are better than theirs...but the reality is that the two teams, talent wise, are pretty much dead even at this point. Give some here, take some there...there is not a huge gap in talent in any position. Yes, we have superior athletes at some positions, but they are not vastly superior (save for maybe Clements and Spikes).

I look at it this way...if we were strapped for cash, and had to cut any one of our guys and could only replace them with one of their starters...there would not be a disabling dropoff.

To me...the fact that the Lions can be mentioned in the same breath as the Bills says alot more positive for the Lions than it does negative for the Bills.