Draft History of Kickers

[Tatonka]

All this "kicker in the 2nd round" madness has got to stop.

Take a look at the draft history of kickers.. and discuss.


K Draft History
Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College
2004 1 3 2 65 Nate Kaeding Chargers Iowa
2004 2 5 5 137 Josh Scobee Jaguars Louisiana Tech
2004 3 7 28 229 David Kimball Colts Penn State
2003 1 7 8 222 Josh Brown Seahawks Nebraska
2002 1 4 4 102 Jeff Chandler 49ers Florida
2002 2 4 11 109 Travis Dorsch Bengals Purdue
2002 3 7 37 248 Hayden Epstein Jaguars Michigan
2001 1 4 3 98 Bill Gramatica Cardinals South Florida
2001 2 5 29 160 John Markham Giants Vanderbilt
2001 3 7 16 216 Owen Pochman Patriots Brigham Young
2000 1 1 17 17 Sebastian Janikowski Raiders Florida State
2000 2 6 3 169 Neil Rackers Bengals Illinois
2000 3 6 8 174 Paul Edinger Bears Michigan State
1999 1 3 19 80 Martin Gramatica Buccaneers Kansas State
1999 2 6 12 181 Jeff Hall Redskins Tennessee
1999 3 7 22 228 Kris Brown Steelers Nebraska
1997 1 3 30 90 Brett Conway Packers Penn State
1995 1 3 18 82 Steve McLaughlin Rams Arizona
1995 2 7 39 247 Cole Ford Steelers USC
1994 1 3 20 85 Doug Brien 49ers California
1993 1 3 14 70 Jason Elam Broncos Hawaii
1993 2 5 1 113 Scott Sisson Patriots Georgia Tech
1993 3 7 9 177 Todd Peterson Giants Georgia
1993 4 8 4 200 Craig Hentrich Jets Notre Dame
1993 5 8 6 202 Doug Pelfrey Bengals Kentucky
1993 6 8 28 224 Daron Alcorn Buccaneers Akron
1992 1 2 28 56 Jason Hanson Lions Washington State
1992 2 12 7 315 Carlos Huerta Chargers Miami (FL)
1992 3 12 24 332 Joe Wood Oilers Air Force
1991 1 4 15 98 John Kasay Seahawks Georgia
1991 2 6 12 151 Richie Andrews Lions Florida State
1991 3 9 21 244 Robbie Keen Chiefs California
1990 1 12 25 329 Matt Stover Giants Louisiana Tech

1982 1 4 3 86 Morten Andersen Saints Michigan State
1982 2 7 4 171 Gary Anderson Bills Syracuse
1982 3 10 2 253 Brian Clark Patriots Florida
1982 4 10 13 264 Eddie Garcia Packers SMU
1982 5 11 2 281 Dan Miller Redskins Miami (FL)
1982 6 12 11 317 Bob Atha Cardinals Ohio State

www.drafthistory.com (http://www.drafthistory.com/)

[BuffaloRanger]

Look closely at that list.

Most of those late picks are playing for their 3rd team by now. Why? Because a kicker selected in the 7th round is very raw, needs coaching, and will take years to develop.

A 7th rounder isn't going to be consistent enough to beat out Lindell or Pochman. He may be put on the practice squad for further development.

If Nugent's there in the 3rd, the Bills have to take him. Or are you dying to have another Crowell or Anderson riding the pine?

[Gunzlingr]

A lot of the higher picks aren't with the same team or even in the league anymore. Looks to me like drafting a kicker at any spot is almost a waste.

[Michael82]

These guys were all drafted in the 3rd round or earlier. Less than half didn't really do anything and are average or below average kickers.

Sebastian Janikowski
Nate Kaeding
Martin Gramatica
Brett Conway
Doug Brien
Jason Elam
Jason Hanson

[BuffaloRanger]

So let's just get one off of FA? Oh wait, there are none? Unless you count Nedney, Grammatica.

[Michael82]

A lot of the higher picks aren't with the same team or even in the league anymore. Looks to me like drafting a kicker at any spot is almost a waste.
EXACTLY. Yeah, they may turn out to be a good kicker eventually, but you have to give them time. We don't have the time to carry a rookie kicker and go thru growing pains. I don't like Lindell, but I'd rather have him than a rookie.

[Typ0]

Look closely at that list.

Most of those late picks are playing for their 3rd team by now. Why? Because a kicker selected in the 7th round is very raw, needs coaching, and will take years to develop.

A 7th rounder isn't going to be consistent enough to beat out Lindell or Pochman. He may be put on the practice squad for further development.

If Nugent's there in the 3rd, the Bills have to take him. Or are you dying to have another Crowell or Anderson riding the pine?


why don't we trade up into the 1st and take him there so he's a better kicker for us?

[Michael82]

why don't we trade up into the 1st and take him there so he's a better kicker for us?
:rofl:

[Kerr]

I would have wanted nedney, but I guess TD thought the guy was too injury prone.

Nedney was signed by the 49ers.

[Dr. Lecter]

EXACTLY. Yeah, they may turn out to be a good kicker eventually, but you have to give them time. We don't have the time to carry a rookie kicker and go thru growing pains. I don't like Lindell, but I'd rather have him than a rookie.
Isn't that true of all positions though? A rookie O-lineman will struggle too.

[Dozerdog]

Owen Poochman and Jonas Jennings were both on the board in Rd 3. The Bills passed on Poochman and took Jennings. I think they knew Christie was going to be a cap casualty so the Bills could have selected the best Kicker available. They chose Jennings instead.

When our #2 or #3 pick comes around, are we going to pass up a need position (Ranger- I beleive you have been quite boisterous about the Bills need for OL) to pick a kicker?

[Novacane]

Isn't that true of all positions though? A rookie O-lineman will struggle too.



NO. Only rookie kickers struggle. All other posistions are guaranteed locks!

[Philagape]

Now here's a list in reverse, showing some of the better kickers today (in no order) and where they were drafted:

Vinatieri -- undrafted
Akers -- undrafted
Elam -- 3rd round
Vanderjagt -- undrafted
Longwell -- undrafted
Stover -- 12th round
Reed -- undrafted
Janikowski -- 1st round
Kaeding -- 3rd round
Graham -- undrafted
J. Brown -- 7th round
Carney -- undrafted
Hanson -- 2nd round

Looks to me like there's a greater chance of getting a good kicker in the low rounds or among undrafted FAs than there is in the high rounds.

[Iehoshua]

Raiders taking Seabass with a first rounder... :shakeno:

Don't think I'll ever get over that one...

[Michael82]

Now here's a list in reverse, showing some of the better kickers today (in no order) and where they were drafted:

Vinatieri -- undrafted
Akers -- undrafted
Elam -- 3rd round
Vanderjagt -- undrafted
Longwell -- undrafted
Stover -- 12th round
Reed -- undrafted
Janikowski -- 1st round
Kaeding -- 3rd round
Graham -- undrafted
J. Brown -- 7th round
Carney -- undrafted
Hanson -- 2nd round

Looks to me like there's a greater chance of getting a good kicker in the low rounds or among undrafted FAs than there is in the high rounds.
Thank you! I'll take that list over the drafted list. :clap: :bf1:

[Michael82]

Raiders taking Seabass with a first rounder... :shakeno:

Don't think I'll ever get over that one...
It was hilarious though. :snicker:

[Historian]

Interesting list Tatonka.

Many more drafted from "cold weather" schools than I would have thought.

[Gunzlingr]

Raiders taking Seabass with a first rounder... :shakeno:

Don't think I'll ever get over that one...
My first year of Fantasy Football some dumbass drafted him in the second round :ill:

[BuffaloRanger]

It was hilarious though. :snicker:

Seebass contributed more that year than McGahee did. Picking a player in the first that wouldn't play a down, when you were a non-playoff team (and still are) was hilarious.

As good as McGahee is or will be, we could have gotten by with Henry if our Oline didn't suck so bad.

OK Here come the "who else would you have selected" posts.

[BuffaloRanger]

I like WM, and I'm not saying the Bills or any team should select a kicker in the 1st, (when they'd be there in the 2nd or 3rd) but kickers do make a difference. As Bills fans we should know that better than anyone.

[Dr. Lecter]

Now here's a list in reverse, showing some of the better kickers today (in no order) and where they were drafted:

Vinatieri -- undrafted
Akers -- undrafted
Elam -- 3rd round
Vanderjagt -- undrafted
Longwell -- undrafted
Stover -- 12th round
Reed -- undrafted
Janikowski -- 1st round
Kaeding -- 3rd round
Graham -- undrafted
J. Brown -- 7th round
Carney -- undrafted
Hanson -- 2nd round

Looks to me like there's a greater chance of getting a good kicker in the low rounds or among undrafted FAs than there is in the high rounds.
Not really. Since there are very few kickers drafted, the numbers are skewed. Since most kickers are undrafted, the chances of the raw numbers being higher on those being successful are very high. Proportionally, the success rate is higher of drafted guys.

[Alston11]

My first year of Fantasy Football some dumbass drafted him in the second round :ill:
gunz why did you do that? you could of got some1 better later...... lol jk

what a dumbass
id rather pick like a million other kickers over him

[Tatonka]

Seebass contributed more that year than McGahee did. Picking a player in the first that wouldn't play a down, when you were a non-playoff team (and still are) was hilarious.

As good as McGahee is or will be, we could have gotten by with Henry if our Oline didn't suck so bad.

OK Here come the "who else would you have selected" posts.

why are you compairing sebass to willis? why dont you compair sebass to all the other kickers in the league.. did seabass's performance in comparison to the other 31 kickers justify a 1st day selection?

i will make it easy for you.. HELL NO!

[Michael82]

why are you compairing sebass to willis? why dont you compair sebass to all the other kickers in the league.. did seabass's performance in comparison to the other 31 kickers justify a 1st day selection?

i will make it easy for you.. HELL NO!
Great post! :bf1:

[Tatonka]

Great post! :bf1:

:bravo:

[Michael82]

It WAS a weak draft, but look at all the other good players drafted after Janikowski, but before the Raiders' 2nd rounder....

17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
18 N.Y. Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall
19 Seattle Shaun Alexander RB Alabama
20 Detroit Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma
21 Kansas City Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State
22 Seattle Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin
23 Carolina Rashard Anderson CB Jackson State
24 San Francisco Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State
25 Minnesota Chris Hovan DT Boston College
26 Buffalo Erik Flowers DE Arizona State
27 N.Y. Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia
28 Indianapolis Rob Morris MLB Brigham Young
29 Jacksonville R. Jay Soward WR Southern California
30 Tennessee Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse
31 St. Louis Trung Canidate RB Arizona

Round 2
Sel# Team Player Pos. School
32 Cleveland Dennis Northcutt WR Arizona
33 New Orleans Darren Howard DE Kansas State
34 Cincinnati Mark Roman SS Louisiana State
35 San Francisco John Engelberger DE Virginia Tech
36 Philadelphia Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi
37 Atlanta Travis Claridge G Southern California
38 Pittsburgh Marvel Smith T Arizona State
39 Chicago Mike Brown FS Nebraska
40 Denver Ian Gold OLB Michigan
41 Arizona Raynoch Thompson OLB Tennessee
42 N.Y. Giants Cornelius Griffin DT Alabama
43 San Diego Rogers Beckett SS Marshall
44 Green Bay Chad Clifton T Tennessee
45 Denver Kenoy Kennedy SS Arkansas
46 New England Adrian Klemm T Hawaii



DAMN, I hate reliving that draft. Look at all the players that we could have taken instead of Erik Flowers or Travares Tillman. :ill: :puke:
Damn you, John Butler! You purposely tanked that draft. :mad:

[BuffaloRanger]

My comparison of the two was based on one kicker considered a "wasted pick" even though he contributed then and still, while WM is considered a great pick, though he didn't play that season.

Seabass isn't much better than lower picked kickers. Is WM that much better than TH?


Just for arguement's sake.

[Tatonka]

yes.. he is.

wm > th

[Michael82]

My comparison of the two was based on one kicker considered a "wasted pick" even though he contributed then and still, while WM is considered a great pick, though he didn't play that season.

Seabass isn't much better than lower picked kickers. Is WM that much better than TH?


Just for arguement's sake.
Hell yeah he is, especially if he can fully regain that burst he had in Miami.

[Philagape]

Since most kickers are undrafted,

You just made my point exactly. And I wasn't talking about raw numbers, I meant proportionally