Henry/Shelton trade will get done

[Dicknoze69]

Having been seemingly dormant for weeks, discussions aimed at a swap of Buffalo Bills tailback Travis Henry and Arizona Cardinals offensive tackle L.J. Shelton were revived at the NFL owners meetings this week, and there is a decent shot the proposed trade will be consummated around draft time. The final hurdle: In addition to getting Shelton, who would replace Jonas Jennings as the starting left tackle, Bills general manager Tom Donahoe also wants to switch spots in the second round. That would mean Buffalo would move to the No. 44 slot overall and Arizona would slide back to the No. 55 spot. Cardinals coach Dennis Green has balked at that component of the trade but apparently still wants Henry to fill the hole he's got at tailback, so that he could then use his first-round choice in the draft (the No. 8 position) to grab a much-needed cornerback. The speculation had been that Green was eyeing a running back with his first-round choice. Apparently, he feels he can get a young runner, such as J.J. Arrington of the University of California, in the second round. The Bills, who don't have a first-round selection, having dealt it to Dallas last year in the trade that enabled them to choose quarterback J.P. Losman, want to improve their lot as much as possible in the second round. Buffalo needs Shelton, or the Bills will probably have to move starting center Trey Teague to left tackle, a position he has not played since he left Denver following the 2001 season. With Losman as a first-year starter, the Bills want to maintain as much stability as they can on the offensive line.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2021162&num=3


Nothing we didn't already know, just a little more info

[Philagape]

That would be awesome.

[jpdex12]

Having been seemingly dormant for weeks, discussions aimed at a swap of Buffalo Bills tailback Travis Henry and Arizona Cardinals offensive tackle L.J. Shelton were revived at the NFL owners meetings this week, and there is a decent shot the proposed trade will be consummated around draft time. The final hurdle: In addition to getting Shelton, who would replace Jonas Jennings as the starting left tackle, Bills general manager Tom Donahoe also wants to switch spots in the second round. That would mean Buffalo would move to the No. 44 slot overall and Arizona would slide back to the No. 55 spot. Cardinals coach Dennis Green has balked at that component of the trade but apparently still wants Henry to fill the hole he's got at tailback, so that he could then use his first-round choice in the draft (the No. 8 position) to grab a much-needed cornerback. The speculation had been that Green was eyeing a running back with his first-round choice. Apparently, he feels he can get a young runner, such as J.J. Arrington of the University of California, in the second round. The Bills, who don't have a first-round selection, having dealt it to Dallas last year in the trade that enabled them to choose quarterback J.P. Losman, want to improve their lot as much as possible in the second round. Buffalo needs Shelton, or the Bills will probably have to move starting center Trey Teague to left tackle, a position he has not played since he left Denver following the 2001 season. With Losman as a first-year starter, the Bills want to maintain as much stability as they can on the offensive line.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2021162&num=3


Nothing we didn't already know, just a little more info
At least your mind is in the right area. If this article is true, IMO I can see that TD wants to grab Shelton still for Henry, but by moving up to #44, we have a legit shot at grabbing Bryant McFadden (insurance for Clements leaving via FA) and then maybe we'll grab a LT with our third round pick to groom...maybe Wesley Britt. That would give us flexibility in the future to move Shelton to Guard if need be and Britt to LT if he was good enough.
Just a thought.

[Dicknoze69]

At least your mind is in the right area. If this article is true, IMO I can see that TD wants to grab Shelton still for Henry, but by moving up to #44, we have a legit shot at grabbing Bryant McFadden (insurance for Clements leaving via FA) and then maybe we'll grab a LT with our third round pick to groom...maybe Wesley Britt. That would give us flexibility in the future to move Shelton to Guard if need be and Britt to LT if he was good enough.
Just a thought.

You've got a point. If this trade goes through, there's a real good chance we grab a CB at #44 instead of OL. I'm not a real big fan of McFadden however.

[Romes]

4 weeks till the draft...i don't know how much longer I can wait.

[Romes]

I read somewhere that the Bills liked Antajj Hawethorne from Wisconsin. Myabe they would grab him if they decided to move up.

[ryjam282]

I still think if we were able to move up, that TD would be eyeing Baas or someone on the line. He has ignored that aspect of the team for far too long.

[Michael82]

I still think if we were able to move up, that TD would be eyeing Baas or someone on the line. He has ignored that aspect of the team for far too long.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. TD wants to move up because he knows that the top G/C's will be gone by the time Buffalo is ready to select at 55. I like this move. The Cardinals don't have to worry about losing a draft pick, and the Bills can move up closer to the 1st round to get a guy like Barron, Munoz, Baas, Barnes, Brown, or even Johnson.

[thebuffalobills4]

That's exactly what I'm thinking. TD wants to move up because he knows that the top G/C's will be gone by the time Buffalo is ready to select at 55. I like this move. The Cardinals don't have to worry about losing a draft pick, and the Bills can move up closer to the 1st round to get a guy like Barron, Munoz, Baas, Barnes, Brown, or even Johnson.
true :bikerbabe

[Rhettoric]

Tom Donahoe also wants to switch spots in the second round. That would mean Buffalo would move to the No. 44 slot overall and Arizona would slide back to the No. 55 spot.

That will be a coup if TD can pull it off, filling a needed position and moving up.
Green is TD's beotch! :chuckle:

[ShadowHawk7]

Shelton-Baas/Johnson-Teague-Villarial-MW
Backups: Tucker, Gandy, L. Smith

:drool:

[Devin]

if TD pulls off LJ ill feel much better about the line, hes hardly a savior but it allows us to keep teague at C. At LT hed get killed.

We added Gandy for depth, and Holcomb at QB.

Draft som DL/CB depth and we are straight.

[gobuffalo2007]

I hope the trade happens I dont know how much more of Henry's whining I can take.

[Michael82]

Shelton-Baas/Johnson-Teague-Villarial-MW
Backups: Tucker, Gandy, L. Smith

:drool:
I agree...that is much better than what we have now. :drool:

[Sportsuser101]

If we do make the 2nd round swap I think Baas is the guy to pick. He not only fills our LG spot but if Anderson is signed then Baas would be the backup to all 3 interior offensive line positions.

[mysticsoto]

If we do make the 2nd round swap I think Baas is the guy to pick. He not only fills our LG spot but if Anderson is signed then Baas would be the backup to all 3 interior offensive line positions.
I agree with this although Baas could still be gone by that pick also! But it was interesting what...Romes said. The Bills and Krumrie do like Anttaj Hawthorne a great deal...If their not confident on the D-line with Edwards and Anderson as full time replacements, I could see them doing picking him if they are happy in getting Shelton - I hope they don't pick a DT - as I think our O-line still needs alot more work. If not Baas, then Spencer or Wilkerson (if he's healthy) as future Centers to displace TT..

I think they should wait until 4th rd or so to grab a CB. One that looks good but is a project that we might develop in a year. The top CBs will probably be gone by the mid 2nd rd and if the CB is just going to be average, I rather not spend one of our top picks on him. If we do lose Nate, we could always spend next year's 1st on the best available CB also...

[jpdex12]

You've got a point. If this trade goes through, there's a real good chance we grab a CB at #44 instead of OL. I'm not a real big fan of McFadden however.
Maybe Perkins would be a better choice. Good returner as well, like Clements. Maybe he doesn't fumble as much as Clements.
I want to think that TD will go after Baas or another quality OL, but I he must really have his thoughts on Clemet's situation next year and his want for a big payday. We cannot expect to draft a CB next year in the first round and expect him to step in and fill Nate's shoes immediately. 1st or 2nd round pick will be a CB IMO.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>Antonio Perkins took a redshirt in 2000 and spent the majority of 2001 as a reserve corner before taking over as a starting corner midway through the 2002 season. He has average size and great speed. He set an Oklahoma record with his 4.31 40 time. He has the ability to play in both man-to-man and zone coverages. He has good change of direction ability and closes on the ball well. He has an excellent vertical leap and above average ball skills. When he does get the ball, he has the ability to score from anywhere on the field. He can turn and run with any receiver (http://2005.otcdraft.com/content/profiles/receiver/) that lines up against him. He will step up and support the run, but his tackling technique is questionable. He missed two games with a sprained knee as a senior, but other than that he has been a pretty durable player. His draft stock is boosted due to his ability as a punt returner. He tied the NCAA record for touchdowns off of punt returns his junior season with four and has eight touchdown returns in his career. His career average is 12.8 yards per punt return, but he had an off year as a senior with just 9.7 yards per return and one touchdown. Perkins isn't a guy who is going to be a "shutdown" corner in the NFL, but he does have the potenial to become a solid corner as well as an excellent return man. If he didn't play special teams he would most likely be an early day two prospect, but his return skills should push him up into the latter portion of day one. </TD></TR><TR><TD><TR><TD colSpan=2><TR><TD colSpan=2>by Greg Benjamin (http://2005.otcdraft.com/news/shadowmail.php?id=EEpFAyZuVyeaRjcbbQ&SM_Profile=Contact)</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>OTC Mock Draft Status: seahawks (http://2005.otcdraft.com/content/teams/seahawks/), #54 Overall Pick</TD></TR><TR><TD>OTC Top 100 Player Rank: #81 (http://2005.otcdraft.com/content/top100/index.php#newsitemEEpFAyZuVyeaRjcbbQ)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[jpdex12]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left width=465><TABLE cellSpacing=2 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>Here is another CB prospect that sounds like a Terrence McGee. Imagine having these two guys in the backfield and also both back to return KO's?



Height: 5'9"
</TD></TR><TR><TD>Weight: 201 lbs.</TD></TR><TR><TD>40: 4.44 - Combine</TD></TR><TR><TD>Stats:</TD></TR><TR><TD>2002: 61 Tackles 15 PBU 8 INT
2003: 54 Tackles 13 PBU 2 INT
2004: 54 Tackles 9 PBU 3 INT</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Justin Miller (http://2005.otcdraft.com/content/profiles/cornerback/JustinMiller.php) is entering the NFL after his junior season, having opted to forgo his senior season at Clemson (http://2005.otcdraft.com/content/profiles/schools/Clemson/). Miller burst onto the scene with eight interceptions as a freshman in 2001 and has be a full-time starter ever since. He has proven to be a very durable player, having played in all 37 games of his three year career. At 5'11", Miller lacks the height some of the other top corners have, but the guy plays bigger than he is and has outstanding speed and good strength for a player his size. He is a physical corner who does a good job of jamming receivers at the line, rarely allowing them to get a clean release. He has very good ball skills and plays the ball extremely well when it's in the air. Miller is also a very good run defender who is fundamentally sound when it comes to tackling. He is a very aggressive player and can get overaggressive at times, which can lead to penalties. He also has a tendency to be fooled on the play-action pass as a result of him being overly aggressive against the run. He is not only one of the top corners in the nation, but one of the top return specialists as well. He averaged 35.1 yards per return as a freshman, 24.5 as a sophomore, and led the nation as a junior with a 33 yards per kick return. He also had three kickoff returns for touchdowns as a junior, including two in a single game. Justin Miller can do it all. He can play the run, he can play the pass, he can return kicks. He is one of the better all-around football players in the draft and should be a first round pick on draft day. </TD></TR><TR><TD><TR><TD colSpan=2><TR><TD colSpan=2>by Greg Benjamin (http://2005.otcdraft.com/news/shadowmail.php?id=EEpuyAEupkyRSetRyZ&SM_Profile=Contact)</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>OTC Mock Draft Status: Beyond Round 2.</TD></TR><TR><TD>OTC Top 100 Player Rank: #20 (http://2005.otcdraft.com/content/top100/index.php#newsitemEEpuyAEupkyRSetRyZ)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Dicknoze69]

I think we'll know by the direction of our draft where TD stand with Clements. If we draft a CB real high, Clements is probably a goner.

But if we don't take one till the 4th round or later, Clements will re-sign or be franchised

[jpdex12]

I think we'll know by the direction of our draft where TD stand with Clements. If we draft a CB real high, Clements is probably a goner.

But if we don't take one till the 4th round or later, Clements will re-sign or be franchised
I agree. The draft will be a definite indicator.

[Nighthawk]

I just want to see the Bills get this done...it's dragged on long enough. If both sides want to do it, it will get done.

[BigZ]

Probably 4 weeks.




4 weeks till the draft...i don't know how much longer I can wait.

[John from Hemet]

What they NEED to do is take Center Spencer with the 2nd pick....and a OG in the 3rd like CJ Brooks......

Spencer is a very good value in the 2nd round.....he can play both center and guard....and we could have him play LG this year next to shelton....then when we lose teague NEXT year we can slide him over to Center......

[DynaPaul]

Somehow I got the feeling that the Henry-Shelton trade would happen on or just before draft day. We want to get rid of Henry and they want to get rid of Shelton. I don't see the 2nd round swap as being that big of a snag. In the meantime Henry needs to keep his mouth shut. I saw that article the other day and wasn't happy with his attitude.