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  • juice
    Registered User
    • Aug 2003
    • 3538
    #1

    Clements: Deal or Franchise?

    Would a trade scenario now benifit the Bills more than using the Franchise Tag at seasons end? Rumors are floating around that the Skins are interested in his services and I think they hold the #9 pick.

    Maybe someone with the knowledge can detail the effects on the Cap that using the franchise tag would hold as opposed to trying to deal him now and trying to get a young CB like Rolle from the draft.

    Keeping Nate at seasons end should be a priority but if he's gone, then lets make the best of the situation whether that is now or at season's end.

    If he is Franchised then another team would have to give up 2 first round picks to get him or whatever the Bills Brass see as fair compensation if I'm not mistaken, If the Bills retain his services then we're required to pay him the average salary of the top 5 CBs in the League or something like that.

    What effect will the 5 yard contact rule have on the CB market next year and would there be any suiters for a top 3 CB next year with picks and players to offer for "Nate Compensation"?

    I realize it's all foresight but would it be better for the Bills to shop in the draft now or franchise later?


    "Hey, I was always aggressive. I always had lots of energy, thats why my teammates on the Bills started calling me Juice" PLAYBOY Dec.'76
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  • clumping platelets
    #2
    Keep him, attempt to re-sign, then franchise if necessary

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    • justasportsfan
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 71579
      #3
      Originally posted by clumping platelets
      Keep him, attempt to re-sign, then franchise if necessary
      sacrifice1
      https://theinterviewwithgod.com/video/

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      • Pride
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 10191
        #4
        deal him, he is overrated

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        • djjimkelly
          Registered User
          • Apr 2003
          • 7045
          #5
          Redskins May Trade Draft Pick (washingtonpost.com)
          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64229-2005Apr18.html



          Buchanon is not the only veteran cornerback currently available. The Miami Dolphins are trying to deal veteran Patrick Surtain for draft picks, but, after an initial phone call, league sources said the teams have not been in touch. Some in the league are also watching Buffalo star Nate Clements closely; Clements, drafted by Williams when he was the Bills' head coach, has one yeLike Oakland, the Bills lack a first-round pick. Gibbs denied any trade discussions with Buffalo last week and Clements's agent, Neil Cornrich, declined to comment on any potential interest in Clements yesterday, but during a conversation last week spoke glowingly of the player's bond with Williams.

          "Nate tremendously enjoyed playing for Coach Williams and he seemed to be a very good fit for Gregg's system," Cornrich said. "Nate led the Bills in interceptions every year he played for coach Williams and he's certainly one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL."

          The Redskins and Bills have not discussed a Clements trade, sources said. If negotiations for Buchanon break down, the Redskins could still look to trade down and accrue more draft selections, although the prevailing opinion about the lack of star power available in this draft and number of teams looking to drop down could make finding a trade partner more difficult.


          LOL now someone come and neg me again as i am pointing out that clements rumours are unsubstantianted HORSE PUCKY rumours. and pure wishful thinking on the part of the redskins.

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          • ParanoidAndroid
            My battery is low and it's getting dark.
            • Apr 2004
            • 16847
            #6
            Henry for Barber, straight up. Clements for Skins #9. It's almost like getting #9 for Henry. Barber is not a dropoff from Clements IMO. But, I tend to agree the Clements rumor is precisely....."HORSE PUCKY."

            Franchise him.

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            • Dicknoze69
              Just because my name is dicknoze,it doesn't mean I have balls in my mouth
              • Jul 2002
              • 1224
              #7
              Originally posted by clumping platelets
              Keep him, attempt to re-sign, then franchise if necessary
              Took the words out of my mouth.
              __________________

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              • thebuffalobills4
                Registered User
                • Aug 2004
                • 622
                #8
                we are not trading clements.if we do
                :oldskool:
                micheal phelps is a beast

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                • DraftBoy
                  Administrator
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 107452
                  #9
                  Trade him
                  COMING SOON...
                  Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                  We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                  • juice
                    Registered User
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 3538
                    #10
                    Originally posted by clumping platelets
                    Keep him, attempt to re-sign, then franchise if necessary
                    I don't see Tommy "Too Tight" Donohoe offering Nate the type figures to get him to re-sign.. I think TD would take more pride in having drafted a player, developed that player into a top 5 performer at the position, and then maximized that players value and using it to bring in more talent and youth to the team as a whole.

                    If he were to franchise him he would have to be prepared to pay him an average of the top 5 CB in the league, right? With the introduction of the 5 yard contact rule I dont know if TD will invest those type #s into the CB position, a sign that the CB position has been devalued due to the rule changes imposed last season.


                    "Hey, I was always aggressive. I always had lots of energy, thats why my teammates on the Bills started calling me Juice" PLAYBOY Dec.'76
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                    • EDS
                      Registered User
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 5216
                      #11
                      Originally posted by andyxc71
                      Henry for Barber, straight up. Clements for Skins #9. It's almost like getting #9 for Henry. Barber is not a dropoff from Clements IMO. But, I tend to agree the Clements rumor is precisely....."HORSE PUCKY."

                      Franchise him.

                      Barber is a dropoff from Clements.

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                      • juice
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 3538
                        #12
                        Originally posted by EDS
                        Barber is a dropoff from Clements.
                        Not if you look at career stats.. Barber is a HoFer.

                        Nate has youth on his side.. probably a HoFer himself if he avoids injury.

                        Barber is the only CB in the League to put up better #s over the past 5 years than Nate.. Nate can hope to put up career type #'s that Barber has over the past decade.


                        "Hey, I was always aggressive. I always had lots of energy, thats why my teammates on the Bills started calling me Juice" PLAYBOY Dec.'76

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                        • askabry
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 279
                          #13
                          Originally posted by EDS
                          Barber is a dropoff from Clements.
                          He is ... but not terribly. I could live with a defensive backfield of Milloy, Vincent, Barber, and X plus whatever the # 9 pick in the draft brought us.

                          I wouldn't assume we'd stay at #9, either, although to pick up a physical freak like Merriman would be incredible.
                          what the last four years of a Republican House, Senate and Presidency has gotten us ...
                          • tax cuts for the wealthy in the hundreds of billions
                          • 1,000 dead American servicemen
                          • the U.S. Constitution trampled upon
                          • our national debt growing into the TRILLIONS of dollars
                          • implicit lies and consistent obfuscations of the truth regarding Iraq


                          I can hardly wait to see what four more years will get us.

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                          • camelcowboy
                            Registered User
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 7449
                            #14
                            Don't get me wrong, Clements is great, but if TD knows we can't resign him before the free agent market next year then this is how i would deal with the situation. Keep in mind this years draft is very deep with good corner back prospects.

                            If you could trade clements to Washington, Arizona, for their first round pick. In this case it would be pick 8 or pick 9. Then i would trade the pick down to aquire more draft picks. A team looking to draft alex barron the tackle such as the Texans, or Carolina would love to trade up. Or if pac-man Jones, or Rolle fall to these picks then i can see kansas city, or the saints trading up.
                            You can continue to trade down with other teams, aquiring more picks as you head to the bottom of the first round. With the low first round pick you can grab a good corner, such as Darrent Williams, Brandon Browner, or Corey Webster. You can take a gamble on matt jones, Heath miller. With the extra 2nd and 3rd round picks the bills can position themselves fill holes, at guard,DT, kicker, and Tight end.

                            I know this seems unlikely but washington did this in 2002 when the traded down from a pick in the mid teens, to the 32 pick to select Patrick Ramsey.

                            If your still not happy with corner situation keep in mind the Titans Andre Dyson is still on the market.

                            The moral is clements is great player, but with the cap the bills should stock pile draft picks, The more picks a team has the more flexibility, and power a team has


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                            • zone
                              No, look. I do mind. The Dude minds.
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 2535
                              #15
                              Year G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD PassDef

                              # 22 Nate Clements
                              2004 16 73 53.0 20 0.5 6 77 12.8 35 1 7

                              # 24 Terrence McGee
                              2004 16 92 75.0 17 2 3 21 7.0 21 0 11

                              Terrence is definitly a force.

                              If we can deal Nate and end up with Jones and Ty Law and he can post these number I would be very pleased.

                              2003 15 73 60.0 13 0 6 112 18.7 65 1 17
                              www.blzbus.com

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